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--- Log opened Sat Mar 06 00:00:52 2004 00:05 -!- hannes [~hannes@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:06 -!- hannes [~hannes@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:07 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:09 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Client Quit) 00:16 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:17 < apache_king> Anybody around? 00:59 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:03 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:18 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:56 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:56 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:01 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FAE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:01 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FC0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:01 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 03:04 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:30 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:56 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508020E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:04 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508021D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:14 -!- theanalogkid [~matt@pcp02624782pcs.levtwn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:20 -!- cerise- [~root@littlegreenmen.armory.com] has joined #rocklinux 04:20 < cerise-> Hey...can someone help with a routing problem? 04:22 < theanalogkid> Does the source pacakage from the subversion have the dietlibc fix so the installer can find the boot packages 04:23 -!- cerise- [~root@littlegreenmen.armory.com] has left #rocklinux () 05:00 -!- theanalogkid [~matt@pcp02624782pcs.levtwn01.pa.comcast.net] has quit ("Leaving") 05:18 -!- apache_king [~joe@ool-18bc9802.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:42 -!- togg [~togg@pD9534925.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:47 -!- togg [~togg@217.229.178.220] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:28 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-085.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:22 < blindy> moin 09:40 < rxr> rehi 09:40 < blindy> moin rxr 09:41 < netrunne1> hups 09:41 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 09:41 < blindy> moin netti 09:44 < blindy> rxr: I've got a quick question about parse-config files 09:44 < blindy> rxr: are _all_ parse-config files sourced, regardless if a package is activated or not? dito for target's parse-config files? 09:50 < fake> moin 09:52 < rxr> blindy: I need to take a look ... 09:52 < blindy> moin fake 09:53 < blindy> rxr: okay, then I'll look myself. Just hoped you'd have an answer by heart :) 09:56 < daja77> moin 09:58 < netrunner> hui daja77 09:58 < daja77> :) 09:59 < rxr> blindy: should be only for the packages activated ... 10:01 < blindy> rxr: okay, thanks. then I need not make additional checks around my stubs :) 10:02 < blindy> moin daja77 10:02 < daja77> moin blindy 10:06 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 10:06 < LocalHero> Hi all 10:07 < LocalHero> blindy: ahh, build completed, same error :( 10:08 < blindy> LocalHero: got the output at hand? 10:29 * fake updating udev patch... 10:31 < netrunner> cool, dillo can now render /. correctly :) 10:32 < netrunner> mine -r mozilla 10:37 < fake> w00t 10:37 < fake> nice connection speed 10:46 < blindy> okay, two more test-builds and I'm ready to tag LVP 0.4.0 and submit it :) 10:50 < blindy> brb 10:54 < blindy> back 11:06 < netrunner> wo blackliste ich den module fuer rockplug 11:08 < netrunner> urgs, sorry ;) 11:16 < LocalHero> cya all 11:16 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ("Kopete 0.8.0 : https://kopete.kde.org") 11:59 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD950288E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:06 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502884.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:54 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-020.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:54 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:01 -!- nookie [~nookie@M339P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:04 < holyolli> re 13:06 < rxr> rehi holyolli 13:10 < holyolli> hi rxr 13:11 < holyolli> blindy: are you there? 13:19 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 < cytrinox> moin 13:22 < mnemoc> moin 13:29 -!- nookie [~nookie@M339P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 13:30 < mnemoc> no screams yet because of the new tag? 13:30 < mnemoc> or you are kicking eachother at clt? 13:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M339P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:36 -!- clifford_ [~clifford@linux-tag.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:36 < darix> 2004-02-06.log:17:57:38 < darix> perl -pi -e 's/(head )-(\d+)/${1}-n $2/g' scripts/* 13:36 < darix> 2004-02-06.log:18:02:48 < darix> grep -rl chown . | grep -v .svn | xargs --no-run-if-empty perl -pi -e 's/chown(.*?)(root|0)\./chown$1$2:/g' 13:36 < darix> 2004-02-06.log:18:35:03 < darix> perl -pi -e 's/(expand )-(\d+)/${1}-t$2/g' * 13:37 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 13:38 < A-Tui> hola 13:44 < fake> huhu 13:48 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-020.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 13:50 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD950288E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ze űda brí-tenkoR") 14:10 < darix> clifford_: already found time for testing? 14:20 < clifford_> darix: nope. we are currently dicuccing sse2 code.. ;-) 14:31 < darix> ic 14:33 < tfing> kasc: i'm updating openh323 for gnomemeeting 1.00 14:34 < kasc> would be great :) 14:42 -!- tantive [~tantive@p50835E9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:42 < tantive> anyone online from clt? 14:44 -!- theanalogkid [~matt@pcp02624782pcs.levtwn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 < tantive> linuxtag in chemnitz? 14:48 < mnemoc> i think yes, but i doubt they are reading right now 14:48 * fake is on clt 14:48 < mnemoc> hi fake 14:49 < fake> as is clifford_, SMP, rxr, daja and netrunner 14:50 < fake> hi mnemoc ! 14:50 < theanalogkid> i'm trying to make a iso for installation but binutils keeps failing 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[3]: *** [arlex.c] Error 1 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/ .. 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/ .. 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/ .. 14:50 < theanalogkid> !> make: *** [all-binutils] Error 2 14:51 < tantive> i heard you are showing matrix xp in chemnitz 14:51 < rxr> theanalogkid: you need to post more - this tail does not show relevant info ... 14:51 < mnemoc> theanalogkid: whaich stage? 14:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc 14:52 < mnemoc> hi rrx 14:52 < mnemoc> rxr* 14:52 < theanalogkid> well this is the second compile of binutils the Build-Target script has done 14:52 < theanalogkid> the first compile was successful 14:54 < mnemoc> tail -n 30 build/$foo/root/var/adm/logs/1-binutils.err | /query 14:56 < theanalogkid> what do you want me to post? 14:56 < mnemoc> the last lines of .err file 14:56 < mnemoc> from where the error begins 14:58 < blindy> hi hi and rehi 14:58 < mnemoc> meep blindy 14:58 < fake> tantive: yes, and a few others. want to sue us? ;) 14:58 < theanalogkid> /bin/sh ../../binutils/../ylwrap "" ../../binutils/arlex.l lex.yy.c arlex.c -- 14:58 < theanalogkid> ../../binutils/../ylwrap: line 86: /R.work/src.binutils.1078580382.8170.2628544349/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/objdir/binutils/../../binutils/arlex.l:Permission denied $make[3]: *** [arlex.c] Error 1 14:58 < theanalogkid> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/objdir/binutils' 14:58 < theanalogkid> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 14:58 < theanalogkid> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/objdir/binutils' 14:58 < theanalogkid> make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 14:58 < theanalogkid> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/objdir/binutils' 14:58 < theanalogkid> make: *** [all-binutils] Error 2 14:59 < mnemoc> QUERY!!!! 14:59 < blindy> moep mnemoc 14:59 < fake> theanalogkid: i had that once, too 14:59 < mnemoc> :\ 14:59 < fake> theanalogkid: you should update your flex and yacc/bison 15:00 < mnemoc> rxr: for the handbook :) 15:00 < fake> (iirc) 15:00 < tantive> fake: no, i'm remembering linuxtag in karlsruhe ;) (greetings from gentoo btw.) 15:00 < fake> tantive: greetz back ;) 15:00 < fake> tantive: yeah, xine ran it 15:01 < clifford_> darix: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004_03_0614555705196 15:01 < fake> tantive: we call it 'edutainment' - funny vids with educational rock content in between ;) 15:01 < tantive> heh 15:01 < tantive> nice idea 15:01 -!- clifford_ [~clifford@linux-tag.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 15:02 < tantive> i'm looking forward to lt 2004 in ka ;) 15:02 < tantive> be prepared 15:02 < theanalogkid> mnemoc:it says /query: No such file or directory 15:02 < mnemoc> :( 15:02 < fake> tantive: is that indy over there running a 2.6 kernel? 15:03 < theanalogkid> how do i go about updating my flex and yacc/bison 15:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg bison 15:03 < fake> theanalogkid: what linux are you running? 15:03 < tantive> fake: you have to ask our booth staff. as i am not in chemnitz 15:03 < tantive> fake: :( 15:03 < theanalogkid> fake: Arch Linux 15:03 < fake> tantive: oh, ok 15:04 < fake> theanalogkid: do you know how to use that rock 1.4 clone? *g* 15:05 < theanalogkid> no i'm rather new to rock so you'll have to tell me 15:05 < tantive> fake: feel free to visit them, they won't bite you 15:05 < blindy> tantive: but fake might bite them :) 15:06 < fake> tantive: my social incompetence forbids this 15:06 < tantive> looool 15:06 < blindy> tantive: see what I mean... 15:06 < tantive> fake: so you have to ask them in irc 15:07 < tantive> but talking in irc and sitting 10 meters away from each other is evil 15:07 < A-Tui> cu all 15:07 < tantive> but i can tell you we had the same problem in karlsruhe 15:07 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 15:07 < theanalogkid> fake: what is this rock clone? 15:07 < tantive> we couldn't get our bodies to walk these few meters 15:08 < mnemoc> theanalogkid: archlinux 15:09 < theanalogkid> mnemoc: i'm already using arch linux and that a clone of crux 15:10 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD950288E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:14 -!- theanalogkid [~matt@pcp02624782pcs.levtwn01.pa.comcast.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:15 < darix> clifford: cool :) 15:16 < mnemoc> dammit! you won :( 15:16 < mnemoc> darix: i hoped you sign up on submaster :( 15:16 < mnemoc> s/up/in/ 15:17 < mnemoc> *what-a-fscking-headache* 15:18 < mnemoc> .oO( this is a good oportunity to vomit over my boss ) 15:19 < darix> mnemoc: i wont sign up for this little patch 15:20 < mnemoc> darix: we will not spam you 15:22 < darix> anyways 15:22 < fake> hm, now theanalogkid is gone 15:25 * tantive is away: shopping 15:26 < mnemoc> what can you shopping on a lt? 15:27 < fake> he's not on clt 15:27 < blindy> penguin plushies 15:31 < fake> ROCK Linux CDs 15:32 < blindy> ROCK Linux DVDs 15:33 * tfing would like a ROCK Linux sticker to put on his laptop 15:38 * fake too 15:38 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:38 < LocalHero> hi all 15:39 < LocalHero> rxr: hi. should i manualy sync the 2.0.0 or do you want to start rsyncing? 15:40 < LocalHero> rxr: Ahh, sorry, i just read the mail, but there are no isos :).. What rev is the official 2.0? So that i can make some builds 15:41 < tfing> LocalHero: there is a 2.0.0 tag 15:41 < tfing> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/tags/ 15:42 < LocalHero> tfing: oki, how do you co a specific tag? 15:42 < tfing> svn co -r 2.0.0 i guess 15:43 < LocalHero> tfing: oki :) 15:43 < tfing> but not really sure 15:43 < tfing> svn co https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/tags/2.0.0/ 15:43 < tfing> might be better 15:44 < LocalHero> tfing: yepp, i noticed that it worked :) 15:46 < mnemoc> svn:// is faster 15:46 < mnemoc> and cheaper to rene 15:47 < LocalHero> mnemoc: ahh, great, then i chosed the right one :) 15:47 < tfing> mnemoc: i was counting on LocalHero's intelligence ;) 15:47 < mnemoc> =)= 15:47 < mnemoc> -= 15:48 < LocalHero> tfing: intelligence? What intelligence?!?! ;) 15:48 < tfing> =] 15:49 < mnemoc> *headache* 15:57 < tfing> |:: sm sync 15:57 < tfing> |Merging changes 2486: from master ... 15:57 < tfing> |svn: Syntax error in revision argument '2486:' 15:57 < tfing> >> ERROR Running 'svn merge --duplicate -r 2486: svn://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk' !! 15:57 < tfing> sweet sweet ... 15:58 < mnemoc> it couldn't fetch the current revision number? 15:58 < tfing> seems so 15:58 < mnemoc> svn2 is sync'ed? 15:59 < blindy> once an hour I think 15:59 < mnemoc> btw, we need a Download -all on the mirrors 16:03 < rxr> mnemoc: on the mirros is a Download -all 16:03 < rxr> mnemoc: the svn2 is sinced three times per hour 16:03 < mnemoc> oh 16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: is clifford's box ready for /. ? 16:04 < tfing> hehe 16:04 < blindy> is /. ready for us? 16:05 < rxr> mnemoc: let's thow it on /. - but tomorrow or so 16:05 < rxr> mnemoc: today the news here - and on symlink should already generate some load ... 16:05 < rxr> blindy: we'll see. 16:05 < tfing> synlink ? 16:05 < tfing> ^n^m 16:06 < mnemoc> .oO( what?! what is this 'powered by rocklinux' png on slashdot? )o 16:06 < blindy> tfing: "german" (or better, swiss) /. 16:06 < tfing> ok 16:06 < rxr> https://www.symlink.ch/ 16:06 < rxr> or so 16:09 < mnemoc> rxr: will you post it there or you will wait? 16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: we go over to the symlink booth and convince them to post there ;-) 16:12 < mnemoc> uhm... i didn't see a symlink booth on clt's 'layout' 16:14 < blindy> mnemoc: they're there since they also posted it on their site 16:16 < rxr> it is on the plan - in the center 16:18 * mnemoc can't find the bookmark :( please? ;) 16:29 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:30 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.133.221.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- pieass_ [~se@5a7486f95024.ssl.walledcity.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- pieass_ is now known as pieass 16:31 < mnemoc> found... just on the clt frontpage :) 16:42 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, pieass, clifford, _spectre_, fake, LocalHero, rxr, darix, SMP, holyolli, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:43 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pieass, LocalHero, darix, _spectre_, rxr, fake 16:43 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc, holyolli, owl, clifford, SMP 16:50 * tantive is back (gone 01:25:08) 16:51 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ("Kopete 0.8.0 : https://kopete.kde.org") 16:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAFC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:58 -!- apache_king [~joe@24.188.152.2] has joined #rocklinux 16:58 < apache_king> I have installed the rocklinux iso quite a few times and I still can't get it to setup the devices under dev! 16:59 < apache_king> Anyone here? 16:59 < mnemoc> hm? 16:59 < apache_king> Rock won't boot? 17:00 < mnemoc> explain "setup the devices under dev" 17:00 < apache_king> none 17:01 < apache_king> it is only setup in the ramdisk that is created by the cd 17:01 < apache_king> not on the drive 17:04 < mnemoc> you mean you have an empty /dev ? 17:06 < apache_king> correct 17:07 < apache_king> the bootdisk creates the ramdisk with a working /dev 17:07 < mnemoc> devfs must be mounted there by kernel 17:07 < apache_king> correct 17:07 < mnemoc> when the final system boots 17:07 < apache_king> but it can't 17:08 < apache_king> because it does not exist 17:08 < apache_king> in /dev 17:08 < apache_king> i don't know if copying the ramdisk /dev to the drive /dev will work 17:08 < mnemoc> your run bootdisk, install rock, set root password, eject, reboot ? 17:09 < mnemoc> apache_king: don't copy anything 17:09 < apache_king> yup 17:09 < fake> mount -t devfs none /dev 17:11 < apache_king> what's this! 17:11 < apache_king> ? 17:13 < mnemoc> the command to mount devfs on /dev ? 17:20 < holyolli> re 17:20 < mnemoc> re holyolli 17:20 < holyolli> hi mnemoc 17:21 < holyolli> hm. didn't most of the users vote against the 2.0-final release...? 17:22 < blindy> holyolli: yeah. but we're not in a democracy here. 17:23 < holyolli> blindy: hm. i c 17:23 < holyolli> :( 17:23 < mnemoc> =) 17:23 < holyolli> blindy: btw. without the cache-file creation your lvp compiles without errors and problems 17:23 < rxr> holyolli: many additional votes have not been on the list - and many demanded a 2.0.0 for a long time 17:24 < apache_king> hey, how do I setup this command in fstab so the system boots up from the drive? 17:24 < blindy> holyolli: cool, then I will remove time again. btw. I'm currently building the precompiled release packages. I will release 0.4.0 "you will be assimilated" as soon as I have the mirroring of the website and files set up 17:24 < rxr> we do not win anything with endless -rc's - we should switch to a relase early release often strategy to atract people 17:25 < mnemoc> full ACK 17:25 < blindy> hear, hear... 17:26 < blindy> holyolli: I'm planning on releasing precompiled for p4, p3, p2, pentiumpro, pentiummmx, k6-2 and non-optimized. 17:26 -!- ramm [~strugarev@195.250.104.88] has joined #rocklinux 17:26 < mnemoc> apache_king: /dev is mounted on the first line of /etc/rc.d/init.d/system 17:26 < mnemoc> if kernel didn't 17:26 -!- ramm is now known as rammi 17:27 < rammi> hi guys 17:27 < mnemoc> hi 17:27 < blindy> hi rammi 17:27 < apache_king> ok 17:28 < mnemoc> apache_king: grep devfs /etc/fstab ? 17:28 < rammi> I typed my name in google, and I noticed a ircd log on #rocklinx, somebody talkd someting about a t-shirt? 17:28 < holyolli> rxr: the problem of this 'relase early release often' strategy is on the other hand that you deter people, because you name it 'stable', but it isn't 17:29 < rammi> i could do something about a t-shirt now if it isn't to late.. ? 17:30 < mnemoc> first real release of the stable branch doesn't mean 'this sth. is perfect' 17:30 < blindy> yeah, that's like "Linux Kernel 2.6.0" :) 17:30 < holyolli> well the word 'stable' implies 'stable' 17:30 < holyolli> blindy: a reason why many ppl don't use 2.6 17:30 < blindy> I'm still on 2.4 and happy 17:31 < mnemoc> it's is stable for x86_32/2.4 17:31 < rammi> 10:57 < esden> perhups we can ask Miroslav Strugarevic to create a t-shirt design for rock? 17:31 < rammi> 10:58 < blindcoder> esden: are you here now 17:31 < blindy> mnemoc: yeah, but 2.6 is all hip and great now 17:31 < mnemoc> 2.0.1 can be stable for x86_32/2.6 etc... 17:31 < blindy> mnemoc: and many people want to have that. 17:32 < mnemoc> i think clt-team will produce a x86/2.6 on clt ;) 17:33 < blindy> I really hope so 17:33 < mnemoc> we can't be ready for every 'i want...' 17:33 < fake> x86/2.6 is in sm 17:33 < blindy> mnemoc: good. so we'll get about 10% of the people we COULD 17:33 < blindy> mnemoc: good enough? 17:33 < mnemoc> that's why the third element of the version is there 17:33 < blindy> fake: but not in RELEASE 17:34 < mnemoc> it will be in 2.0.1 17:34 < blindy> but what am I talking 17:34 < fake> blindy: who uses releases? ;)) 17:34 < blindy> mnemoc: and if fake's patches would have been applied, it could have been in .0 17:34 < fake> releases are for people who can't handle subversion ;)) 17:34 < blindy> fake: I do. Companies do. PAYING CUSTOMERS DO 17:34 -!- rammi [~strugarev@195.250.104.88] has quit () 17:35 < mnemoc> i would not recomend a .3 kernel to a paying customer 17:36 < blindy> then you'll be asked: "Why did those people release it if it isn't reliable?" 17:37 < blindy> and THEN you'll get that question with every single program you're going to install 17:38 < mnemoc> rl-2.0.0 is reliable 17:38 * fake is glad rocklinux does not depend on customer's wishes 17:39 < fake> customer's wishes always influence quality 17:39 < blindy> fake: and your moneybag. But if you don't want any money, fine. _I_ do. 17:39 < fake> i hate money 17:39 < fake> i don't want money 17:40 < blindy> so give it to me. 17:40 < mnemoc> i love it ;) that's what i will not install lx2.6 on a client yet 17:40 < blindy> I'll be glad to free you of that concern. 17:40 < fake> i want to help create something beautiful, that's all 17:40 < mnemoc> uptime i a very important word for customers 17:41 < blindy> indeed. 17:41 < blindy> uptime, availability, stability. combined into reliability. 17:41 < fake> high quality systems have incredible uptimes, ubt a perfect system takes its time. customers want everything as fast as possible 17:41 < apache_king> mnemon: none /dev defaults 0 0 17:41 < fake> that's a conflict 17:42 < blindy> fake: then you're dealing with the wrong customers. 17:42 < fake> the type is missing? 17:42 < mnemoc> apache_king: that's ok, look at the kernel output and init output way mount /dev failed 17:42 < mnemoc> why* 17:42 < fake> blindy: i'm not dealing with customers any more. the marketing drones do that. 17:42 < mnemoc> fake: oh... tyou are right 17:42 < mnemoc> apache_king: none /dev devfs defaults 0 0 17:43 < blindy> fake: even more a reason to be convinced of your own product. 17:43 < apache_king> yeah that is correct 17:44 < apache_king> let me check the init output 17:44 < mnemoc> blindy: reliability: 2.4 gives much more reliability than 2.6 even if 2.6 better scheduler, blah blah blah 17:44 < mnemoc> blindy: then 2.4 is the default for reliabilty 17:45 < blindy> mnemoc: ok. so much for kernels. is the problem with Pentium-4 optimsation fixed? 17:47 < mnemoc> uhm... .... .. .oO( i have forgoten )... isn't that a gcc problem? 17:47 < blindy> yes 17:47 < blindy> so, is it fixed? 17:47 < mnemoc> gcc was updated reciently 17:47 < blindy> also as default compiler? 17:48 < mnemoc> *silence* 17:48 < mnemoc> aaarg.... damn Grace Community Church 17:49 < holyolli> ? 17:49 < mnemoc> gcc.org 17:50 < apache_king> mnemoc: well the output for init.d/system is quite long but the /dev was mounted correctly after I ran it. 17:50 < apache_king> of course this is in chroot 17:51 < mnemoc> apache_king: uhm? reboot it i watch the real output 17:53 < mnemoc> rxr: i build with gcc33 only, but i don't do 'generic' there are... there are reasons to still having gcc3.2 as dafault? 17:53 < mnemoc> s/ there are././ 17:54 < rxr> mnemoc: to be hones - I do not konw, I asked several times but got mixed results 17:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess in some weeks all will build - but I have not tried myself in the last months ... 17:55 < mnemoc> 2.0.1 -> lx26 ; 2.0.2 -> gcc3=3.3.3 :) 17:55 < mnemoc> (goals) 17:55 < fake> that's fine 17:57 < blindy> tonikaku, I'll get something edible now. 17:57 < blindy> brb 17:57 < apache_king> mnemoc: after grub loads and I select rock linux: Kernel (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 ro 17:57 < apache_king> can't mount partition 18:14 < mnemoc> apache_king: rewinding... what did you build/download ? 18:18 < tcr> moin all 18:18 < tcr> The topic got obsolete methinks 18:19 -!- netrunner changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux at 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 18:19 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 18:19 < mnemoc> netrunner: tell chanserv first :) 18:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: how? 18:19 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95F1250.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:20 < jsaw> re 18:20 < jsaw> rxr: ping 18:20 < tcr> moin jsaw 18:20 < jsaw> hi tcr 18:21 < tcr> netrunner, I don't think you got the priviledges for it. I only know from esden and SMP that they have 'em 18:21 < mnemoc> netrunner: msg chanserv set topiclock off 18:21 < daja77> r 18:21 < daja77> re 18:21 < mnemoc> hi daja77 18:22 < rxr> jsaw: pong 18:22 < daja77> hi mnemoc 18:22 < jsaw> rxr: did u realize that misc/joystick is *really* outdated? 18:22 < rxr> jsaw: the people needed s.th. for calibrating joysticks - is there s.th. newer ? 18:23 < jsaw> doesn't work: 18:23 < jsaw> bash-2.05b# jscal /dev/input/js0 18:23 < jsaw> jscal: wrong version 18:23 -!- apache_king [~joe@24.188.152.2] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:23 < rxr> jsaw: oeh - interesting, I did not got that feedback from those people 18:23 < rxr> jsaw: can you locate s.th. that works for you ? ;-) 18:23 < rxr> can be in 2.0.1 ... ;-) 18:24 < jsaw> /usr/include/joystick.h says #define JS_VERSION 0x01020e, while linux/joystick.h says 0x020100 18:25 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:25 < MadTux> hello. 18:25 < holyolli> hola MadTux :) 18:25 < rxr> hi mnemoc 18:25 < rxr> erhm - MadTux ;-) 18:25 < daja77> hi MadTux 18:25 < mnemoc> rxr: can you chanserv set topic ? 18:25 < MadTux> alcoholly! 18:25 < mnemoc> wb MadTux! 18:25 < MadTux> rxr: hi! Nice stuff on the release 18:25 < holyolli> MadTux: jepp. today again..but that was the last time.. ;-) 18:25 < MadTux> mnemoc: hello :) 18:26 < MadTux> holyolli: you have said tht to me so many times.. :P 18:26 < mnemoc> hi last-time-ollie :) 18:27 < holyolli> hi mnemoc *fg* 18:27 < holyolli> MadTux: since yesterday, our class doesn't exist anymore - everybody is now going his own way ;(( 18:27 < MadTux> aren't you guys supposed to be drunk and celebrating the release? 18:27 < MadTux> :) 18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: I lost my rxr password for the IRC and so can not become OP 18:27 < rxr> anyone with OP status here ... esden or so :.. ;-) 18:27 < MadTux> holyolli: WTF?!?! why what happened? 18:28 < mnemoc> to find esden is harder than asking #freenode for help with your password :) 18:28 < MadTux> indeed. 18:29 < holyolli> MadTux: we all finished our training. from now on we have to wait for the next...but it isn't anymore with the lh-school 18:29 < MadTux> why not!? 18:30 < MadTux> ollie i think we are OT here query 18:30 < holyolli> jepp 18:31 < mnemoc> /msg -freenode ChanServ access #rocklinux list rxr 18:31 < mnemoc> 37w 5d 18h 28m 44s 18:31 < mnemoc> :) 18:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAFC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:33 < jsaw> rxr: don't know where to get it... no idea. when I find sth. I'll send a patch... or my own js calibrator is ready for release before... 18:50 < jsaw> rxr: another thing: my dialog patch. I discard it, because I think we should not make any experiments like that just before release. 18:50 < jsaw> rxr: I haven't seen any screen curroption, but one never knows... 18:54 * mnemoc lunch... cu 18:58 < MadTux> NOO!! 18:59 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ("leaving") 18:59 < blindy> fascinating 19:09 -!- kquamme94 [kquamme94@1Cust87.tnt1.minneapolis3.mn.da.uu.net] has joined #ROCKLinux 19:09 -!- kquamme94 [kquamme94@1Cust87.tnt1.minneapolis3.mn.da.uu.net] has left #ROCKLinux () 19:18 < netrunner> daja77: found, thx :) 19:19 < daja77> good :) 19:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M339P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 19:51 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:51 -!- netcrow_ [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:33 < mnemoc> re 20:46 -!- nookie [~nookie@M261P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:05 < mnemoc> daja77: can you ask SMP or clifford to change $topic? :) 21:09 -!- Kracdon [~Kracdon@mikalait-dsl.oulu.fi] has joined #rocklinux 21:14 * tantive is away: I'm busy 21:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAD60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:19 < mnemoc> tcr: do u know any patch for bash to complete files \=* ? 21:26 < darix> clifford: you just eat up here and are working again now?:) 21:38 -!- pieass [~se@5a7486f95024.ssl.walledcity.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 21:39 < tcr> mnemoc, I assume that comes from the use of tla? :) 21:44 < mnemoc> you are right :) 21:45 < tcr> https://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/tez@kamihira.com--2003/bash/ 21:46 < blindy> tla? 21:46 < mnemoc> arch 21:47 < blindy> ah 21:52 * blindy gone 21:52 < mnemoc> cu blindy 21:55 -!- rammi [~strugarev@195.250.104.58] has joined #rocklinux 21:59 < tcr> re rammi 21:59 < daja77> re 21:59 < mnemoc> how it is going daja77? 21:59 < tcr> rammi, what was your point about the tshirts (back then when you asked nobody replied to you) 21:59 < rammi> re 22:00 < daja77> mnemoc: nice dunno what the rest of the project is doin, but i enjoy net from games booth 22:00 < rammi> I could make some t-shirts design.. if you wont 22:00 < tcr> daja77, moin. where are you 22:01 < tcr> rammi, I think that's still pretty welcome 22:01 < daja77> tcr: clt 22:01 < tcr> daja77, mmkey 22:02 < rammi> trc: Is there any rule about makeing a design for a t-shirt, or I can use my idea? 22:02 < daja77> rammi: yep it should be cool ;) 22:04 < tcr> rammi, Uh, I'd say just start off with what's in your head and send proposals to the ml and listen to the feedback 22:04 < mnemoc> rammi: sure you can... but... can we know? ;) 22:04 < rammi> guys, I must go off line now, I'll back for and hour? then we will talk 22:04 < mnemoc> cu rammi 22:04 < rammi> cu 22:04 < tcr> bye 22:20 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.133.221.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 22:20 -!- rammi [~strugarev@195.250.104.58] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:21 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.133.221.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:26 < rxr> so cu all 22:26 < rxr> freshmeat announcement pushed and we are at: 22:26 < rxr> https://www.symlink.ch/ 22:26 < rxr> more PR will follow soon ;-) 22:26 < rxr> wow 22:22:22 here ... ;-) 22:27 < rxr> good time to vanish 22:28 < tcr> gn8 rxr 22:29 < mnemoc> *good* night rxr 22:29 < tfing> gn rene 22:29 < mnemoc> google takes ages to translate symlink.ch :( 22:30 < tfing> rxr straight beside me stands and reports that the long work disbursed itself and today on the Chemnitzer Linuxtag SKIRT Linux 2,0 one published. 22:30 < mnemoc> thanks :) 22:31 < tfing> i am wondering what disbursed means 22:31 < mnemoc> "... Linuxtag SKIRT Linux 2,0 ..." 22:31 < mnemoc> SKIRT? ;\ 22:31 < tfing> that's the name of the project :) 22:31 < tfing> SKIRT Linux 22:32 < mnemoc> =) 22:32 < rxr> tfing: the german text like "the work was successfull" or "paid back" or so .. 22:32 < tfing> ok 22:32 < rxr> in german "Rock" is skirt, yes ... 22:32 < rxr> tfing: you should not use babelfish on it ... 22:33 < tfing> i was using google, following mnemoc's hint 22:33 < mnemoc> From the skirt star department :) 22:35 < mnemoc> nothing on freshmeat yet :\ 22:46 < tcr> daja77, what's up on the clt 23:08 -!- rammi [~strugarev@104-24.dial.InfoSky.Net] has joined #rocklinux 23:08 < rammi> re 23:09 < tcr> re 23:11 < rammi> about the t-shirts.. 23:11 < tcr> yups 23:12 < tcr> Do you have anything particular in mind? 23:12 < rammi> ... mm.. maybe... but it's still in progress 23:13 < rammi> will t-shirts be printed in one or both side? 23:13 < tcr> Are you subscribed to the mailinglist? 23:14 * Kracdon is back (gone 02:06:25) 23:14 < rammi> yes, but I don't have internet time at the moment.. 23:14 < rammi> so I don't have acces to my mail box 23:14 < tcr> rammi: There is no requirement on that regard. It shouldn't be all that fancy however 23:15 < rammi> okej.. 23:15 < tcr> fancy as in many different colors, high-resolution pictures... you know stuff that will bump the cost exponentially 23:16 < rammi> then on side t-shirt? 23:16 < rammi> that's ok by me... 23:16 < tcr> what do you mean with on side? 23:16 < mnemoc> one* 23:17 < rammi> one.. sorry "1" 23:17 < tcr> ack 23:17 < tcr> rammi, well I'd a two sided one 23:17 < mnemoc> little banner on front and real thing in the back? 23:18 < tcr> Yeah something like that 23:18 < rammi> yeap.. 23:19 < rammi> what do you think about adding a rock logo on the t-shirt.. ? yes or no? 23:19 < mnemoc> front: i vote for just 'ROCKLinux.org' 23:20 < mnemoc> and even without the .org 23:21 < Kracdon> so... after reading "few" documents it is still bit unclear... does rock have prebuild packages (uptodate with easy install) or do i have to build every app from source? 23:22 < mnemoc> Kracdon: we _sometimes_ have one or two bins 23:22 < mnemoc> Kracdon: but rock is to be built 23:23 < Kracdon> ok... so i should steal my friends cpus to be used in distcc so i could think about installing rock.. ;p 23:24 < rammi> mnemoc: I will post my design on the channel when I finish it.. ? ok 23:24 < rammi> in a few days.. 23:24 < mnemoc> Kracdon: you can build 2.0.0 desktop iso which is currently availble 23:25 < tcr> rammi, ack 23:25 < mnemoc> rammi: great :) 23:25 < mnemoc> Kracdon: s/build/install/ 23:25 < rammi> and, yes. I think it's the time you change the topic.. ;) 23:26 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD950288E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:26 < Kracdon> ok... thanks... 23:28 -!- Kracdon [~Kracdon@mikalait-dsl.oulu.fi] has left #rocklinux ("whee....") 23:29 < rammi> where can I see some list of pkg's included in 2.0.0 23:32 < tcr> https://www.rocklinux.net/packages/ 23:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M261P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 23:35 < rammi> CU.. its sleeping time 23:35 < mnemoc> gn8 rammi 23:36 < rammi> tnx 23:36 -!- rammi [~strugarev@104-24.dial.InfoSky.Net] has quit () 23:40 -!- vega`chill [~vega@pD9E486E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Sun Mar 07 00:00:06 2004