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--- Log opened Mon Mar 08 00:00:20 2004
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00:21 < apache_king> no problem, where should I send it too?
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00:37 < netrunner> apache_king: never mind ;)
00:37 * netrunner -> bed
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09:26 < holyolli> moin
09:26 < netrunne1> moin, 2
09:26 < holyolli> hi netrunne1
09:40 < blindy> moin
09:41 < holyolli> moin blindy
09:41 < blindy> moin holyolli, how was the party?
09:41 < holyolli> blindy: great! the next day was hard... ;-)
09:42 < blindy> heh, that's just proof of the party's quality :)
09:42 < holyolli> hehe
09:47 < blindy> damn, I should s-trike out the TANs that I've already used
09:47 < holyolli> *g*
09:47 * holyolli has always the same problem
09:48 < blindy> Just tried about ten TANs until I found an unused one
10:08 * blindy updating lvp trunk to ROCK Linux 2.0.0-final, then doing a last build which will ultimately result in release
10:09 < holyolli> blindy: say when you release - i would then try to compile the athlon thing
10:10 < blindy> wow... 1.5k diff
10:14 < blindy> holyolli: will do
10:33 < blindy> uploading a whole LVP tree takes ages >_<
10:36 < netrunne1> anybody registered us at linuxtag? https://www.linuxtag.org/2004/community/pavillon.html
10:39 < blindy> no idea
10:40 < blindy> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/lvp/tags/0.4.0/
10:40 < blindy> WEE :)
10:41 < tfing> linuxtag is a german-speaking meeting ?
10:42 < netrunne1> I assume yes since the website is german only
10:48 < blindy> where is rxr when you need him...
10:56 < blindy> holyolli: 0.4.0 is tagged and commited
10:57 < holyolli> blindy: cool
10:57 < blindy> the update to ROCK 2.0.0-final was just a 1.5k diff not doing much to me, so I left it untested
10:59 < blindy> [ "$KSH_VERSION" -a -w / ] && PS1='$USER:$PWD# '
10:59 < blindy> [ "$KSH_VERSION" -a ! -w / ] && PS1='$USER:$PWD# '
10:59 < blindy> do I have to get this?
11:00 < blindy> (from /etc/profile)
11:19 < SMP> what is the problem with it?
11:20 < blindy> SMP: -w / -o ! -w / is always true
11:20 < blindy> SMP: thus only "$KSH_VERSION" is important and if it is set PS1='$USER:$PWD# ' will be executed
11:20 < SMP> ahhh. no
11:21 < blindy> SMP: I think in the second line the # should be a $ but as I know nothing about KSH I wasn't sure about that
11:21 < SMP> yes, exactly
11:22 < blindy> I accidentally stumbled over that while removing the alias ls='ls -a' for root here
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12:01 < netrunne1> can I rename a downloaded file? they only provide a -nightly.tar.gz
12:15 < netrunne1> daja77: big linux games report in current c't
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12:22 < blindy> netrunne1: use [D] filename !https://url.to.file/otherfilename
12:29 < netrunne1> blindy: thx
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12:41 < cytrinox> moin
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13:50 < giftnuss> Congratulations to final ROCK Linux 2.0
14:04 < daja77> netrunner: yep will have a look at it soon
14:07 < daja77> waaah i get spam in queries
14:10 * holyolli too
14:10 < holyolli> hi daja77, btw/
14:10 < daja77> hi holyolli
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14:20 < holyolli> has anyone of you experience with lprnf?
14:20 < holyolli> lprng even
14:22 < sten> does KDE take advantage of march=athlon, comparitively to mplayer? I've noticed that my KDE build seems somewhat flakey, and am considering recompiling, for march=i686
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14:35 * daja77 is flooded with positive feedback for clt
14:35 * holyolli is flooded with xxx-spam in queries
14:38 < rolla> yeah same here
14:39 * daja77 too
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14:52 < netrunner> hi daja77
14:52 < daja77> hi netrunner, had a good trip home?
14:53 < darix> ltag was good. my patch was finally accepted ;)
14:54 < netrunner> *want* https://me.berkeley.edu/hel/bleex.htm
14:54 < daja77> darix: have we met there?
14:54 < netrunner> daja77: thx, yes. only the ut2004 had an i/o error. but I can download it again
14:55 < daja77> that damn image was too big
14:55 < netrunner> hehe https://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004110370,00.html
14:56 < daja77> netrunner: idling? *ggg*
14:57 < sten> does KDE take advantage of march=athlon, comparitively to mplayer? I've noticed that my KDE build seems somewhat flakey, and am considering recompiling, for march=i686
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14:58 < daja77> why not asking that in kde chans?
14:59 < sten> no one's answering ;-)
15:00 < daja77> my guess is it doesn't give it such a boost as it does for mplayer
15:00 < darix> daja77: i talked to clifford. the mips maintainer ...
15:00 < darix> :)
15:01 < darix> dunno =)
15:01 < darix> at least i was there :)
15:03 < daja77> <- the one in the wheelchair
15:03 < darix> ah ic
15:03 < darix> i think we didnt talk
15:04 < daja77> :)
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15:08 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
15:09 < daja77> hi blindy
15:11 * blindy now releasing LVP 0.4.0
15:11 < daja77> cool
15:12 < blindy> uploading the precompiled versions took ages >_<
15:30 < blindy> brb
15:44 < rxr> re
15:44 < blindy> moin rxr
15:45 < rxr> moin blindy - thanks for the IPX
15:45 < blindy> rxr: is something up with the svn reps? especially the mails?
15:45 < blindy> rxr: no problem, I didn't need it anyway
15:51 < blindy> gotta go to the vet with my dog. bbl
15:51 < blindy> bye
15:56 < rxr> hm
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16:05 < rxr> jsaw_: I currently try to use the ppp rocknet module for the first
16:05 < rxr> time - I might rewrite some bits for readability and then document it in the ROCK Handbook - finally ...
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16:10 < netrunner> hm, the list of open patches on submaster is loong :)
16:12 < rxr> netrunner: I'll process them later today - first I have to revbiew the ppp rocknet module ...
16:13 < daja77> hi rxr
16:13 < rxr> hi daja77
16:13 < rxr> I'm now off-line again - to try rocknet ppp on my iBook ... - maybe I'm back in some minute s...
16:14 < netrunner> rxr: should I stop my build until this evening?
16:14 < netrunner> hm, forget it. there'll always be patches in the queue ;)
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16:22 < LocalHero> Hi all
16:22 < holyolli> hi LocalHero
16:24 < netrunner> https://www.popsci.com/popsci/auto/article/0,12543,358540,00.html
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16:25 < rxr> netrunner: yes - continue the build - there are always patches to apply
16:26 < rxr> but now I'm finally of to plug my girlfirends DSL TP plug into my iBook - cu
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16:35 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
16:41 < rolla> rxr you still here?
16:41 < holyolli> re
16:42 < holyolli> blindy: lvp-athlon is compiling from revision 51
16:44 < blindy> holyolli: nice, can you send it over once it's done?
16:44 < holyolli> blindy: of course. i'll put it on my webserver..then you can take what you want ;-)
16:45 < blindy> holyolli: okay, thanks ^^
16:45 < holyolli> blindy: if you want to, i can also leave it there as a mirror, but it's just q-dsl
16:45 < holyolli> and when i have the hdds from rolla...it won't be any space problem :)
16:46 < blindy> holyolli: thanks, but I don't want to hog your upstream :) compiling for AMD processors is worth a lot more
16:46 < rolla> yeah yeah
16:46 < blindy> holyolli: since both Localhero's iso.rocklinux.de and sourceforge now host the pre-compiled files
16:46 < holyolli> blindy: hm. upstream, which is just used for http requests ;-)
16:47 < holyolli> ah. ok
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17:00 < SMP> holy shit
17:00 < SMP> https://www.chip.de/news/c_news_11643711.html
17:00 < holyolli> holla
17:01 < blindy> wow
17:01 < holyolli> *lol* "Shopping-Tipp: SuSE Linux Professional 9.0"
17:01 < daja77> rxr: argl thsi text is full of bugs
17:02 < SMP> (disclaimer: someone send me the link, I don't read that website)
17:02 < SMP> s,send,sent,
17:02 < daja77> hehe
17:02 < holyolli> smp: yes...we now ;-)
17:02 < holyolli> know even
17:10 * daja77 reading prolinux about rocklinux and clt
17:14 < blindy> ok, LVP committed to SubMaster :)
17:15 < holyolli> hm. which would be the best way to switch back to glibc-2.2 just only on alpha?
17:15 < daja77> args the comments are $censored
17:15 < holyolli> how could it realised in the config-scripts?
17:16 < daja77> https://www.pro-linux.de/news/2004/6548.html
17:16 < blindy> holyolli: [ "${arch}" == "alpha" ] && pkdisable glibc23 && pkgenable glibc22
17:16 < holyolli> blindy: in which file?
17:17 < blindy> holyolli: or in architecture/alpha/config.in: pkgdisable glibc23 && pkgenable glibc22
17:18 < holyolli> hmmmm
17:18 < holyolli> i'll try it...thx
17:18 < blindy> holyolli: why do you want to do that?
17:18 < holyolli> blindy: the glibc-23 makes a lot of serious compile errors :(
17:20 < holyolli> and i first want to compile the target, then build a lvserver and use this as a more clean/solid buildenv
17:22 < blindy> ah, I see
17:22 < blindy> daja77: the comments on pro-linux are there, but most are on /. niveau...
17:23 < blindy> the longest thread is about package formats :/
17:23 < daja77> someone should comment it
17:23 < daja77> maybe i do it later
17:25 < blindy> followed by complains about lack of (usable) documentation
17:25 < blindy> anyway, I'm now off for the rest of the day.
17:25 < blindy> bye
17:28 < holyolli> cu blindy
17:45 < rxr> rehi
17:45 < daja77> wb rxr
17:45 < daja77> do you have time to comment that crap on prolinux
17:46 < rxr> jups - but I guess later ...
17:46 < daja77> k.
17:46 < rxr> o oO O now I know why my ssh connection is that slow ...
17:46 < daja77> why?
17:47 < holyolli> because evrybody is svnning? and it's just a dsl-line? ;-)
17:52 < giftnuss> I made a small comment on pro linux, bye.
17:52 < daja77> thx
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17:55 < daja77> erhm yes ...
17:57 < mnemoc> re
17:57 < daja77> wb mnemoc
17:57 * daja77 flaming debian in another chan atm ^^
17:59 < mnemoc> hi daja77
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18:03 < sten> out of curiousity, is there a way to get what I think is BSD-style init? (for example, after kernel messages:
18:03 < sten> The system is coming up, please wait:
18:04 < sten> Starting services: net, postfix, xdm, etc
18:04 < SMP> yes, rewrite /sbin/init
18:04 < daja77> ;)
18:04 < sten> not part of the build kit then ;-)
18:05 < alanjwylie> you don't need to re-write init - just the shell script /etc/rc.d/rc
18:06 < netrunner> hm, I know I am a little stupid here, but if I compile something, I always need a libc? I mean, when I change sth in glibc, no prog is unaffected= (considering the change affects all parts of glibc)
18:08 < SMP> alanjwylie: well, /sbin/init would still print messages about runlevels
18:11 < SMP> netrunner: I can't make sense of your question
18:12 < sten> it's a relatively minor change, but I was curious. More importantly: I have 1 dir, with a all the tarballs I need to build my system. Is there a way that I can point ./scripts/Download to this dir?
18:12 < sten> (which would then copy them into rock-src/download)
18:13 < sten> more specfically rock-src/download/$REPOSITORY
18:13 < SMP> sten: Download has an -alt-dir parameter
18:14 < sten> SMP: Good to know. Thanks for the info
18:14 < netrunner> SMP: i want to add cmov to HWCAP_IMPORTANT in glibc. My question is: does that help?
18:14 < mnemoc> -rwxr-xr-x 2 bin bin 131072 Dec 29 1997 sh* <---- aaarg
18:15 * mnemoc kicks someone
18:15 < netrunner> patching gcc3 to remove cmov produced stupid errors.
18:17 < SMP> netrunner: now I get it. I don't know what HWCAP_IMPORTANT does, but that would affect every program that uses the libc functions (pretty much all programs)
18:18 < SMP> of course you can also install a different build of glibc and all programs will start using that ...
18:19 < SMP> (to the extend they use libc functions and if they are linked dynamically against glibc)
18:19 < mnemoc> gcc --version
18:19 < mnemoc> 2.8.1
18:19 < mnemoc> :'(
18:20 < netrunner> SMP: ok, thx.
18:20 * mnemoc will never try to use univ.'s stations again :(
18:20 < netrunner> SMP: HWCAP_IMPORTANT makes sure the host running a program has the instruction before using it. as far as I understand.
18:34 < cchamilt> What does the following error mean?
18:34 < cchamilt> libtool: link: cannot find the library `'
18:34 < cchamilt> I think it is something rock scripts are doing as it is an error occuring in
18:34 < cchamilt> ibmpeg2, paragui, avifile, blender, mjpegtools.
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18:47 < SMP> mnemoc: I didn't know gcc 2.8 existed
18:47 < mnemoc> on this nice osf1 v4.0 it does
18:48 < SMP> ugh
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19:33 < sten> SMP: ./scripts/Download -required -alt-dir /home/media/software/resources doesn't work. The tarballs are re-downloaded to rock-src/download
19:34 < sten> SMP: the specified dir has a flat structure
19:39 < netrunner> anybody tried freedesktop? that translucent thing looks cool
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19:42 < MadTux> hi.
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19:44 < rammi> hi
19:44 < MadTux> hi rammi
19:45 < rammi> https://default.co.yu/~ram/EXP/preview.png
19:45 < rammi> sugestions
19:46 < holyolli> in which colors is it planned?
19:46 < holyolli> because i prefer a black background with white lines...so coffee traces can't been seen so easily ;-)
19:46 < rammi> holyolli: I don't know
19:46 < MadTux> alcoholy.
19:47 < holyolli> MadTux.
19:47 < MadTux> Almost ctp :)
19:47 < holyolli> MadTux: my personal cpt ;-)
19:47 < MadTux> lol
19:48 < netrunner> nice, 5-electricfence coredumps because it tries to execute itself. stupid thing.
19:49 < holyolli> rammi: why don't we take your ideas of the shirt, put them online and let the users vote? this would be a nice thing for all, who surf in these days to rocklinux.org
19:49 < holyolli> rammi: just as an idea
19:49 < MadTux> mmm... there used to be a colored ROCK logo that i would have personally liked to see in those tshirts
19:49 < MadTux> i can't find it on the pr stuff anymore though..
19:49 < holyolli> (and even: why don't we make more than one shirt?)
19:49 < MadTux> holyolli: how about pilot hats?
19:50 < holyolli> MadTux: great idea! ;-)
19:50 < rammi> holyolli: that's fine by me..
19:50 < holyolli> but we could also think about more merchandising stuff, like mugs, stickers ('driven by rocklinux'), etc.?
19:51 < MadTux> i proposed this back on the 1.5 days but not many got interested so it never came to a reallity
19:51 < MadTux> I still have my ROCK Linux mug and tshirts though
19:51 < holyolli> hmmm...this brings me to the idea of extending the Rocklinux Design contest...
19:52 < holyolli> ^^
19:52 < rammi> holyolli: offcourse
19:52 < MadTux> Alcoholy for President!
19:52 < MadTux> :P
19:52 < holyolli> MadTux: :P
19:52 < holyolli> ;-)
19:52 < holyolli> but i anyway ask a friend of me, who works in a company which produces merchandising stuff
19:53 < MadTux> sounds like a good plan
19:53 < MadTux> then we sell on it on thinkgeek?
19:54 < holyolli> maybe. or just sell them for ourselves in order to financise some cds, events, etc.
19:54 < MadTux> yeah
19:56 < netrunner> it's always a prefinancing issue. I already thought of printing some steel-mugs.
19:56 < holyolli> netrunner: that's right. but maybe we could start just with small things like t-shirts and then add more and more stuff
19:58 < rammi> t-shirts for testing purposes :), if they pass, you culd start printing other stuff.
19:59 < netrunner> we already had these shirts on the ccc camp ... I wonder where mine has gone.
20:00 < netrunner> ok, let's face this for linuxtag. but I guess most people there want free gifts, so maybe also order a bunch of pens or so with rocklinux logo.
20:01 < netrunner> maybe I can convince my gf into doing this pr stuff, she works for gaggenau marketing anyway :)
20:01 < holyolli> we should look into stores like 'oppermann-versand' in germany.
20:01 < holyolli> netrunner: just ask her. i get an answer tomorrow from my friend who is also working in that field
20:01 < rammi> guys, what do you think about changing rock linux logo?
20:02 < netrunner> I like it the way it is.
20:02 < rammi> ok then...
20:02 < netrunner> holyolli: more people wouldn*t do damage :)
20:02 < holyolli> netrunner: jepp :)
20:03 < holyolli> <-- is now eating...brb
20:03 < rammi> cu...
20:03 < netrunner> cu rammi
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20:17 < SMP> sten: what you want to download (-required) goes after the options (-alt-dir)
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20:34 < tcr> moin all
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21:40 < rxr> rehi
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21:47 < tcr> moin rxr
21:49 < rxr> hi tcr
21:51 < tcr> Is there an alternative to cups?
22:04 < netrunner> tcr: pen/paper
22:05 < holyolli> *lol*
22:05 < holyolli> lprng..but never used it
22:09 < netrunner> hm, getting worse, 902 builds total, 277 completed fine, 3 with errors
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22:09 < rammi> re
22:12 < rxr> we are partially on linuxtoday :
22:12 < rxr> https://linuxtoday.com/news/2004030800526NWRL
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22:18 < rxr> new PR mail sent out ...
22:19 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
22:19 < netrunner> rxr: what do you say to linuxtak(karlsruhe), shirts, mugs, buttons etc?
22:20 < rammi> you'r on https://www.osnews.com/ to..
22:23 < rxr> rammi: oh - now we are - cool
22:23 < rxr> took us two mails ... ;-)
22:25 < rammi> yap :)
22:25 < rxr> I hope we make it on /. tonight or tomorrow ...
22:26 < SMP> ugh
22:26 < rammi> did someone sow Gnome 2.5 ~ 2.6 review on osnews..?
22:27 < SMP> rammi: yes
22:27 < rammi> not bad.. not bad at all.. new futures and imporovements..
22:29 < rammi> too bad that kaybord swich applet isn't done yet..
22:29 < SMP> . o O ( KDE has had it for ages )
22:30 < rammi> KDE 3.2 is great too.. I didn't try it yet, I will soon.
22:30 * blindy uses neither as window manager
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22:44 < rxr> https://www.chip.de/news/c_news_11643711.html?tid1=9226&tid2=0
22:45 < rxr> wow - you know what ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
22:45 < rxr> we are on a msn.net subdomain !!!
22:45 < rxr> https://tomorrow.msn.de/news?id=50858
22:46 < blindy> __ _____ _____ __ _____ __ _____ __ _____
22:46 < blindy> / |/ / / / / | / / / / | / / / / | / / / / |
22:46 < blindy> / /|_/ / / / / /| | / /_/ / /| | / /_/ / /| | / /_/ / /| |
22:46 < blindy> / / / / /_/ / ___ |/ __ / ___ |/ __ / ___ |/ __ / ___ |
22:46 < blindy> /_/ /_/\____/_/ |_/_/ /_/_/ |_/_/ /_/_/ |_/_/ /_/_/ |_|
22:46 < holyolli> ?
22:46 < blindy> just some evil laughter :)
22:46 < holyolli> *lol*
22:51 < rammi> cu
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23:01 < holyolli> rxr?
23:16 < rxr> yes
23:17 < holyolli> maybe we should divide the 'community' section on the homepage into 'community' and 'support'? I just surfed on the site with the intention to (virtually) solve my problems with rock
23:18 < holyolli> and it's quiet hard to find it under 'community'...
23:18 < holyolli> (just because these days, many ppl will (hopefully) surf on that page
23:19 < holyolli> so my idea: 'community' -> irc channel, devel gallery, happy users
23:19 < holyolli> 'support' -> maillist, flyspray
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23:23 < holyolli> ...?
23:27 < rxr> yes - sounds logical
23:28 < rxr> but I schedule this for tomorrow - I drive home now ...
23:28 < holyolli> jo
23:29 < rxr> cu tomorrow
23:30 < holyolli> cu2
23:30 < cytrinox> gn8
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