--- Log opened Tue Mar 09 00:00:34 2004
00:13 < daja77> re
00:13 < daja77> this sucks
00:14 < daja77> my computer i brought back from clt is broken as well as my laptop's hd on which i tested a rock install
00:14 < daja77> i now used a third laptop on konoppix
00:14 < daja77> *gna*
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00:38 < daja77> hmm nobody here to laugh at me
00:39 < holyolli> no. 'ich fuehle mit dir' ;-)
00:39 < daja77> *ggg*
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01:26 < jchoisy> hi there
01:30 < daja77> hi jchoisy 
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01:42 < Robe_> arrrr
01:42 < Robe_> so
01:43 < daja77> wb robe
01:44 < Robe_> servus
01:44 < Robe_> ich glaub den clifford muss man mit einem spiked club motivieren, damit er mirror server publiziert
01:44 < Robe_> hehe
01:45 < batok> are there any package related to pop3 server or imap server?
01:46 < daja77> Robe_: huh?
01:46 < daja77> batok: what do you mean with related?
01:47 < batok> I am looking for a package for pop3 server and imap3 server
01:48 < daja77> grep pop3 server package/*/*/*desc
01:56 < batok> tks, courier-imap package is for imap, but seems that there's no package for pop3
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03:02 < mnemoc> sten: -required must be the last argument
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06:53 < netrunne1> moin
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09:03 < Baldzius> moin :)
09:38 < blindy> moin
10:30 < holyolli> re & moin
10:40 < holyolli> blindy: http://holyolli.dyndns.org/rocklinux/lvp-binaries
10:43 < blindy> holyolli: WEE! thanks ^_^
10:43 < holyolli> blindy: the k6-build didn't work..i'm trying now via c3
10:43 < blindy> holyolli: ok, thanks
10:45 < holyolli> np
11:17 < netrunner> hm, how can I use gcc33 as default compiler? the menu option only shows gcc3
11:21 < netrunner> argl, it is disabled ;)
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11:59 < wHiTe-WiDoW> moin
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12:06 < daja77> moin
12:07 < holyolli> moin daja77 :)
12:08 < daja77> moin holyolli 
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12:22 < blindy> moin daja77 
12:23 < daja77> moin blindy 
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12:30 < blindy> there are days when you should stay in bed >_<
12:58 < mnemoc> there are month when you should stay in bed :\
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13:01 < blindy> no
13:01 < blindy> that's just a prolonged day >_<
13:02 * blindy making some coffee and then goes shopping
13:02 < blindy> bye
13:02 < holyolli> cu blindy
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13:32 < netrunner> ts, kdelibs take >1h to build with ver. 3.2 :(
13:34 < jsaw> netrunner: wait for the update to 3.2.1 which was just released *evil grin*
13:37 < netrunner> aaaah
13:37 < netrunner> jsaw: does it contain anything important? have you submitted it for submaster?
13:39 < jsaw> netrunner: no, I just saw the announcement. It says some important fixes...
13:40 < jsaw> biam
13:41 < cchamilt> hmm
13:41 < cchamilt> rehi
13:41 < cchamilt> what is going to happen to things like webmin and openslp?
13:41 < SMP> hi as well
13:42 < cchamilt> they were started/supported by sco.
13:43 < cchamilt> are they just dangling?
13:45 < cchamilt> I really wish openslp would go somewhere, but it needs a credible company to back it.
13:47 < SMP> noone really cares about SLP (yet)
13:58 < netrunner> cchamilt: what is the problem? if sco add's code to a gpl project, it's gpl. they don't claim those.
13:59 < netrunner> jsaw: On kde.org I can't find anything about 3.2.1 ...
14:16 < netrunner> hm, my doc has an email adress ... I wonder if I can cancel my appointment via mail ...
14:20 < jsaw> re
14:21 < mnemoc> netrunner: ask google :)
14:21 < mnemoc> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.2-release-plan.html <--- look at the bottom
14:21 < jsaw> http://www.kde.org/info/3.2.1.php
14:22 < mnemoc> that's better :)
14:23 < jsaw> i read it on a german news page...
14:25 < cytrinox> moin
14:32 < rxr> rehi
14:36 < mnemoc> rehi rxr
14:37 < netrunner> would anybody common with the kde-packages please update them? I do not know which packages are related to that update ...
14:43 < fake> hi
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14:47 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
14:47 < apache_king> anyone know how to permanently setup the network in rock? With redhat it was under /etc/system/ifcfg.
14:48 < blindy> apache_king: use stone
14:50 < apache_king> well I prefer to do it manually. All I need is the file naming convention and the location.
14:50 < blindy> /etc/network/config
14:51 < blindy> it's all in there
14:51 < mnemoc> apache_king: read about rocknet on our website
14:52 < mnemoc> hi blindy 
14:52 < blindy> hi mnemoc 
14:52 < apache_king> blindy: that directory doesn't exist?
14:53 < blindy> apache_king: well, so mkdir is your friend
14:53 < SMP> huh
14:53 < mnemoc> apache_king: what version/revison of rock you have there?
14:53 < blindy> /etc/network/ is the dir and config the file
14:53 < apache_king> 2.0
14:53 < mnemoc> :)
14:54 < apache_king> thanks blindy I figured that
14:54 < blindy> tonikaku, I'm away again
14:54 < apache_king> with redhat it was under /etc/system/ifcfg_eth0
14:54 < apache_king> I could setup virtual ips this way
14:55 < SMP> it works completely different in ROCK
14:56 < apache_king> SMP: that is what i'm trying to figure out..
14:57 < mnemoc> apache_king: we use a single file for every interface
14:57 < SMP> you should have that directory and that file after the installation
14:57 < apache_king> nope, it never happened!
14:57 < apache_king> don't mind creating it
14:57 < apache_king> but dont if is the same way
14:58 < mnemoc> creating that dir by hand is senseless... you need rocknet and it's modules
14:59 < mnemoc> /etc/network has ./config, ./rocknet* and ./modules/
15:00 < apache_king> Shouldn't that have been a part of the base? install
15:00 < mnemoc> # mine -l sysfiles | grep etc/network  | wc -l
15:00 < mnemoc>       7
15:01 < mnemoc> it is
15:01 < apache_king> well it didn't install for me
15:01 < rxr> apache_king: you have the official final 2.0.0 x86 ISO?
15:02 < apache_king> yes
15:02 < rxr> apache_king: I (of course) tested those ISOs and they include the ROCK Net files
15:02 < rxr> what does this give you:
15:03 < rxr>  mine -l sysfiles | grep etc/network
15:03 < rxr> so /. submitted
15:04 < mnemoc> =)
15:05 < apache_king> I get etc/networks which is a file
15:05 < mnemoc> uhm
15:08 < rxr> apache_king: what is the filename of the ISO you downloaded?
15:08 < rxr> SMP: do you have some SPARC knowledge and now the LED PowerOnSelfTest keyboard led blink codes ?
15:09 < SMP> no and no.
15:14 < apache_king> drock-2.0.0-rc2-rev1583+fixes-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso 
15:14 < apache_king> is that the final
15:14 < wHiTe-WiDoW> rc2...
15:14 < mnemoc> that's quite old :)
15:14 < apache_king> really
15:15 < mnemoc> more that 1000 revesions old
15:15 < wHiTe-WiDoW> gg
15:15 < mnemoc> actually rocknet didn't existed that time
15:16 < apache_king> well that explains it
15:16 < apache_king> where is the latest
15:16 < mnemoc> $topic
15:16 < apache_king> see rc4 but it the minimal
15:18 < mnemoc> where are you looking?
15:18 < apache_king> it seems like the official iso main site is down
15:18 < apache_king> i'm only reaching the irror
15:19 < apache_king> mirror
15:19 < mnemoc> rxr?
15:19 < daja77> re
15:20 < blindy> hmm... iso.rocklinux.de hasn't got the 2.0.0-final, tfh-berlin neither...
15:20 < mnemoc> re daja77 
15:20 < blindy> what kind of release is this?
15:20 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:20 < mnemoc> a not-mirrored one :\
15:20 < netrunner> there is no final build yet afaik
15:20 < blindy> unorganised... sloppy...
15:21 < blindy> that's what I'd call it
15:21 < mnemoc> there is a drock
15:21 < blindy> netrunner: there IS a drock build
15:21 < blindy> but only on the currently unavailable mirror
15:21 < mnemoc> (110) Connection timed out <--- /. ?
15:21 < apache_king> yup
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr!!
15:22 < mnemoc> :(
15:22 < netrunner> blindy: ah, really? since when?
15:22 < blindy> sorry, but even I did better with LVP
15:22 < blindy> netrunner: AFAIK since clt
15:22 < daja77> he has tsill no net at home
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15:23 < mnemoc> he is here... at least 10 minutes ago
15:23 < mnemoc> rxr!!!! :(
15:24 < apache_king> hmm, with the version I have can I use the build scripts to build it or am I missing to much?
15:24 < blindy> apache_king: you con use them to build it from scratch
15:24 < blindy> I doubt updating the running system would work
15:24 < netrunner> apache_king: it's dangerous, could work maybe ...
15:24 < mnemoc> me too
15:25 < netrunner> blindy: only building sysfiles and rockplug/rocknet ...
15:25 < netrunner> updating the whole sure doesn't work, to much has changed since then.
15:25 < mnemoc> apache_king: recommended way to svn co; Config; Download; Build-Target; Create-ISO; install
15:25 < apache_king> so i should create a new part and build it, huh?
15:27 < blindy> yes
15:27 < mnemoc> rene!!!
15:27 < blindy> but you don't need a new partition for that
15:28 < mnemoc> apache_king: you can do it over your current /usr/src/rock-src
15:28 < apache_king> ok
15:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: with rc2, a svn co wouldn't work. svn version to old. 
15:28 * netrunner kicking svn.
15:28 < mnemoc> :\
15:29 < blindy> there are pre-built statics
15:29 < mnemoc> there are prebuilt svn's on rene's site
15:29 < mnemoc> rsync update isn't working?
15:29 * netrunner feeling stupid to build old kde, may anybody pls update?
15:30 < SMP> how about just http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.0.tar.bz2 ?
15:30 < mnemoc> =)
15:30 < mnemoc> thanks SMP
15:30 < mnemoc> apache_king: download that :)
15:33 < apache_king> ok, lets see
15:34 < tfing> oO ( is it like 4 times i see a patch for clip-1.1.9 in a week ? )
15:35 * netrunner now updating kde himself :/
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15:35 < daja77> updating to what?
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15:36 < mnemoc> 3.2.1
15:36 < apache_king> wow, those scripts are small!
15:37 < rxr> re
15:37 < daja77> wb rxr
15:37 < rxr> the -final is online
15:37 < mnemoc> <blindy> hmm... iso.rocklinux.de hasn't got the 2.0.0-final, tfh-berlin neither...
15:37 < rxr> but not on the mirrors - due to my mirrors scripts have been shown to be imperfectly sorting of the version numbers
15:37 < rxr> I'll fix this in this hour ...
15:38 < holyolli> and  http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock gives a "no route to host"
15:39 < mnemoc> that was psicological slashdotting :\
15:42 < rxr> shit
15:42 < blindy> Well, looks like we've made a fool out of ourselves again, "releasing" something that's not available
15:42 < holyolli> blindy: full ACK.
15:42 < rxr> blindy: stop trolling around here
15:42 < rxr> holyolli: totally bullshit
15:42 < blindy> rxr: stating the obvious is not trolling, IIRC
15:43 < daja77> what's the big deal 
15:43 < rxr> it was all the time until some minutes ago
15:43 < holyolli> rxr: but please explain me, why it was released even many ppl voted against it on the ml?
15:43 < rxr> holyolli: blindy: if you have multiple GB / months servers available feel free to mirror the ISOs ...
15:43 < daja77> that the isos are not there, so what, we had this more often that isos were available later, as on other projects too
15:43 < blindy> rxr: iso.rocklinux.de has
15:44 < rxr> blindy: I know what iso.rocklinux.de has
15:44 < holyolli> and why don't we use the mirrors instead on an dyndns dsl-line?
15:44 < rxr> holyolli: this is a 155MBit university serfver
15:44 < blindy> daja77: yes, and then things like with apache_king happen, people taking age-old versions
15:44 < rxr> and the official name is gsmp.tfh-berlin.de wich is alwaays used
15:44 < blindy> I agree that it was a good releasing 2.0.0-final on CLT for all the publicity.
15:44 < rxr> and I guess it got disabled in the DFN due too too hight load - this is not my fault
15:45 < rxr> blindy: provide us with more server and bandwith and we would not have the problem
15:45 < mnemoc> the only fault here is not mirroring it, everything else was right
15:45 < blindy> but I don't think that an uncoordinated release is good at all.
15:45 < holyolli> rxr: svn.rocklinux-consulting isn't a 155mbit/s line?
15:45 < rxr> blindy: if localhero would not setup this damn sever so often and I would actually had a ssh account it would already be on iso.rocklinux.de 
15:46 < rxr> holyolli: *.rocklinux-consulting.de does not offer ISOs
15:46 < blindy> rxr: there are THREE mirrors listed, only one of which is carrying the iso. There is sourceforge and others. Why not use it?
15:46 < holyolli> rxr: but it offers svn access
15:46 < rxr> holyolli: and what is the problem with this?
15:46 < blindy> rxr: I have one, so if you can pass me the iso I can put it there.
15:47 < blindy> rxr: we could set up a BitTorrent Tracker for the iso
15:47 < holyolli> .oO(hm. we could put the isos in edonkey ;-)
15:47 < rxr> blindy: the day has 24 hours - 7 hours of sleep
15:47 < mnemoc> holyolli: a torrent whould be nicer :)
15:47 < rxr> blindy: I can not do all myself - I already do far too much so if you do not stop fucking around here you can do all alone
15:47 < holyolli> rxr: no doubt about that sleep. but why didn't we then delay the release?
15:47 < SMP> only 7? ;)
15:47 < netrunner> updating finished, downloading sources ...
15:48 < blindy> rxr: like I said, pass me the iso and I make it available
15:48 < rxr> blindy: pushing the ISOs over my DSL line here will take quite long ...
15:49 < blindy> rxr: well, still better than nothing I'd say
15:49 < mnemoc> rxr: can't you connect somewhere inside the univ and fetch if from there?
15:49 < daja77> this is crazy, the same ppl that were lamenting about no stable release are now complaining that we did the release now
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I just try
15:49 < mnemoc> blocked inside too?? :\
15:50 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not have my secret key for the other box I usually use - and currently try to remember my password ...
15:50 < rxr> rou51-23.tfh-berlin.de is eating the data ... but I do not yet know more ...
15:52 < mnemoc> this impasse is stressing :\
15:53 < holyolli> hm. but how to solve it?
15:53 < holyolli> at which servers are the isos available?
15:54 < mnemoc> at rene's home (dsl) and at a blocked machine on his uni.
15:54 * blindy updating his bittorrent to 3.4
15:55 < holyolli> could we find any other server to host temporarily?
15:55 < holyolli> smp?
15:55 < SMP> not for public d/l
15:55 < holyolli> SMP: and if we distribute it from there to other server at a limited number of d/l?
15:56 < SMP> yes
15:56 < cchamilt> Why cant we mirror the isos along with the sources?
15:57 < SMP> that's another thing? what about the tuwien mast mirror?
15:57 < mnemoc> cchamilt: you you have the isos??
15:57 < cchamilt> I am finishing generic 2.0.0 pentium-mmx such as it is.
15:58 < cchamilt> 40 errors, one showstopper that i can fix.
15:58 < holyolli> so what if smp downloads the isos and some of us get it from there and distribute it with bittorrent?
15:58 < mnemoc> something on pkgsel?
15:58 < cchamilt> I say we load up the src download mirror and see what happens.
15:59 < cchamilt> iproute2 is not available for downloading. So it doesn't currently build.
15:59 < netrunner> hm, bittorrenting ROCKLinux is a cool idea. sad that I have traffic limit :(
16:00 < cchamilt> I can mldonkey mine, but my line is only 1.5m.
16:01 < netrunner> hehe, only, he's funny
16:01 < mnemoc> :)
16:01 < holyolli> i also just have dsl...but flatrate and i can distribute it to 2-3 others
16:01 < holyolli> (also with bittorrent/dsl)
16:01 < mnemoc> a torrent is a great idea
16:02 < netrunner> could it be that the uninstaller has a problem? like trying only to remove dirs? could anybody please test that?
16:02 < mnemoc> netrunner: mine has a bug there
16:03 < apache_king> alright guys and gals. I guess I'll be working on the build. "I'll Be Back!"
16:03 < mnemoc> it tries to remove (sometimes) dirs before file
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16:03 < netrunner> /root/opt/kde32/share/servicetypes/kmilo: Directory not empty
16:03 < netrunner> 106 errors while removing package kdeutils.
16:03 < netrunner> (only the last 2 lines to save your display and cchamilt's poor 1.5m ;)
16:04 < mnemoc> LOL
16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: can we share cchamilt's generic while you upload drock somewhere else?
16:05 < mnemoc> cchamilt: did you build iproute2? i can upload you the tarball is you can't download it
16:06 < cchamilt> no i cant get the cvs to produce a correct tarball in rock
16:07 * netrunner thinks about building rock inside uml, not only chrooting at stage 3 but booting the uml and building inside ...
16:08 * holyolli thinks about making it possible to dl the 2.0-release...
16:11 < rxr> I try to the tfh - it does seem to be a pysical cable whatver problem
16:11 < rxr> damn crap
16:11 < rxr> it be online again in 30 minutes oros
16:11 < holyolli> cu rxr
16:11 < mnemoc> someone you can callç?
16:12 < blindy> netrunner: I'd advise against that. UMLs are sloooooooooooooooooooooooow
16:12 < holyolli> ww
16:12 < netrunner> blindy: so make the hw faaaaaaaaaaaast to compensate :)
16:12 < mnemoc> :)
16:12 < netrunner> (would leave a few o if you look closely, but anyway ... ;)
16:18 < rolla> re
16:20 < daja77> hi rolla 
16:21 < mnemoc> anyone here can inject iproute2's tarball to mirrors?
16:26 < blindy> I have it here...
16:27 < blindy> 180 kB in size
16:27 < mnemoc> can you?
16:27 < blindy> I can provide it, but not put it into the mirrors
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16:28 < blindy> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/iproute2-ahu-20021020.tar.bz2
16:28 < blindy> if you need it
16:29 < mnemoc> i have it too, but ppl (cchamilt) is having problems grabing it from cvs
16:29 < blindy> ah, ok
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16:37 < cchamilt> ok, i should have stage 9 and various cleanups ready in 8 or so hours (Morning here).
16:38 < daja77> you still build with stage 9?
16:38 < cchamilt> look for it on donkey and maybe bittorrent.
16:38 < cchamilt> sure, why not.
16:38 < mnemoc> 40% extra time?
16:38 < daja77> it is only needed for reference build and doubles build time
16:39 < mnemoc> ccache helps a lot :)
16:39 < cchamilt> Well it is mostly done now.
16:40 < cchamilt> generic still sets it as default, so i went with defaults.
16:40 < blindy> Stage 9 breaks at ncurses
16:40 < blindy> (here at least)
16:40 < cchamilt> really?
16:40 < daja77> i disabled it on all my builds ...
16:40 < blindy> well, in -rc5 it still did
16:40 < cchamilt> == 03/09/04 23:24:56 =[9]=> Finished building package gtk+.
16:40 < cchamilt> Creating binary package file for gtk+.
16:40 < cchamilt> -> Building build/.../pkgs/gtk+-2.2.4.tar.bz2
16:40 < cchamilt> -> Building build/.../pkgs/gtk+-2.2.4.gem
16:40 < cchamilt> -> Removing temporary tar.bz2.
16:41 < cchamilt> == 23:25:26 =[9]=> Building jsaw/openjade [1.3.2 2.0.0-rc5].
16:41 < cchamilt> -> Preparing build in src.openjade.1078845923.5585.3207481310
16:41 < cchamilt> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-openjade.out
16:41 < blindy> because it calls our install wrapper, which is a bash script and bash is linked against readline which in turn needs ncurses
16:41 < blindy> nice circular dependency we have there
16:41 < cchamilt> this is working here, though my host is a very old 1.5 rock that has new gcc and glibc.
16:42 < cchamilt> it makes very good builds.
16:43 < mnemoc> aarg... home's dlink router got melted again :\  ... it's not edonkey-aware
16:49 < cchamilt> OK, I am going to cherry pick and document which patches i apply.  My goal will be just fixing package errors.
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17:19 < rxr> hi
17:19 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de should be reachable again
17:19 < rxr> was just the damn fucking ethernet cable
17:19 < rxr> mirror walk will be done in some minutes
17:19 < holyolli> great!
17:19 < holyolli> thx
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17:21 < mnemoc> thanks rene
17:21 < wHiTe-WiDoW> re
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17:21 < mnemoc> what do u think about using a torrent for binary distribution?
17:22 < tfing> and put XXX in the filename :)
17:22 < mnemoc> that's for edoneky :)
17:22 < tfing> ROCK.LINUXXX.DVD-RIP <- should be downloaded a loooot of times :)
17:23 < holyolli> hehe
17:23 < mnemoc> LOL
17:23 < cchamilt> you could add a few more interesting meta keywords
17:24 < mnemoc> which are your favorities?
17:25 < mnemoc> -i
17:25 < tfing> -Rapaella
17:25 < tfing> -Raphaella
17:25 < mnemoc> uhm
17:26 < cchamilt> no comment
17:28 < holyolli> drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso.jc! <-- what means the 'jc!'?
17:30 < mnemoc> it looks like somekind of download acceperator
17:32 < cchamilt> weird, just noticed syslinux-2.02.tar.bz2 did not download
17:32 < cchamilt> it doesnt get included in -all or -cfg boot -required
17:32 < mnemoc> hm?
17:33 < mnemoc> target's download are downloaded.... at least here
17:33 < cchamilt> syslinux doesnt get listed in download -all or specific to bootdisk target
17:34 < mnemoc> weird
17:34 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Download -list | grep syslinux
17:34 < mnemoc> download/x86/syslinux/syslinux-2.07.tar.bz2
17:34 < mnemoc> download/bootdisk/syslinux-2.08.tar.bz2
17:34 < mnemoc> download/router/syslinux-2.02.tar.bz2
17:34 < mnemoc> download/misc/dos_boot_etc/syslinux-2.02.tar.bz2
17:35 < cchamilt> hmm
17:35 < mnemoc> hmm too
17:35 < mnemoc> four copies, three version and none for you =)
17:37 < cchamilt> my INDEX file is wrong i think.
17:38 < mnemoc> .oO( i don't remember the last time i did a Puzzle )
17:39 < cchamilt> lets see what it generates.
17:41 < cchamilt> fixed index, but still no syslinux
17:42 < rxr> mirror walk running (after redesigning my script ... )
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17:43 < holyolli> donkey-mirror is also coming up ;-)
17:43 < cchamilt> ohh nevermind
17:44 < rxr> ok - me off here at tfh-berlin.de - cu later when I'm back @ Valentin ...
17:44 < cchamilt> um wait a minute
17:45 < cchamilt> my bootdisk target is a clean svn checkout, yet target/bootdisk/x86/build.sh is still using syslinux 2.02 calls
17:46 < cchamilt> anybody else see this?
17:46 < cchamilt> bootdisk should be using 2.08
17:51 < cchamilt> has anybody built a bootdisk recently???
17:51 < mnemoc> me
17:52 < cchamilt> did you see it use 2.08 syslinux?
17:52 < mnemoc> yep :)
17:53 < cchamilt> then why is my svn checked out copy of target/bootdisk/x86/build.sh trying to use 2.02?
17:53 < cchamilt> the rest of target bootdisk appears to be up to date.
17:56 < mnemoc> dammit! you are right
17:56 < cchamilt> nope, http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/target/bootdisk/x86/build.sh is borked too.
17:56 < mnemoc> it's hardcoded
17:56 < mnemoc> cchamilt: can you patch it to grep download.txt?
17:57 < cchamilt> ugh
17:57 < cchamilt> two chars or a grep...
17:57 < mnemoc> grep is more robust :)
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18:00 < cchamilt> let me see
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18:08 < cchamilt> not off hand
18:09 < fake> hm
18:10 < fake> nfs, nohide, recursively, anyone?
18:12 < cchamilt> nope, i just do single partition nfs.
18:18 < fake> hm... crossmnt ?!?
18:21 < cchamilt> no clue
18:22 < cchamilt> ok, slashdot can spend time reposting about ca did not in fact get a sco license, yet wont post about us...
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18:32 < giftnuss> What is the best way to install submaster? 
18:33 < mnemoc> giftnuss: svn checkout and copy sm.pl to ~/bin/sm
18:34 < giftnuss> all files or only sm.pl
18:34 < daja77> you need only client part?
18:36 * fake is desillusioned
18:36 < mnemoc> fake: with what?
18:37 < fake> with nfs and crossnative compile
18:40 < giftnuss> I've build some packages, I will send it to ROCK. 
18:41 < mnemoc> only sm.pl then
18:45 < giftnuss> My real question is, why is the tree created by  submaster not a SubMaster tree. What have I made wrong?
18:47 < mnemoc> submaster is as extension of subversion
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18:48 < mnemoc> you work over a local repository, with your own versioning and it syncs with a master repository
18:49 < giftnuss> that means a create command builds a clean tree without subversion information?
18:50 < mnemoc> nope, it has subversion info, but it points to your local subversion-'server'
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18:51 < giftnuss> thanks, i will ask you again if there are more probs when the local server works.
18:51 < mnemoc> cu
18:58 < holyolli> smp?
19:00 < SMP> here
19:00 < holyolli> smp: my mirror is now back online again, so if you want to, you can set www or www2.rocklinux.de back to 217.14.168.2
19:03 < SMP> it used to be 217.14.168.4?
19:03 < holyolli> ups
19:03 < holyolli> sorry...
19:03 < holyolli> take the .4
19:03 < holyolli> (better for the accounting..;-)
19:04 < SMP> done.
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19:04 < holyolli> smp: thx
19:05 < SMP> holyolli: let's see what you say when it gets /.'ed ;>
19:06 < holyolli> but one of those addresses is still your machine?
19:06 < SMP> www, yes
19:06 < holyolli> ok
19:07 < rxr> rehi
19:09 < cchamilt> rxr: syslinux patch just sent to maillist is critical.
19:10 < cchamilt> no bootdisk without it.
19:11 < rxr> cchamilt: I saw the scrollback ...
19:14 < daja77> re
19:15 < cchamilt> rxr: I cant browse his patch, but it should be obvious. the var based fix is easiest for now.
19:15 < cchamilt> lame horde mail system...
19:15 < cchamilt> hi daja
19:16 < cchamilt> stage 9 is going good, only python acted strange.  I will retry it.
19:17 < daja77> cchamilt: need some horde testing?
19:17 < cchamilt> need to remerge with the cvs i think.
19:17 < cchamilt> some strange folder handling bugs i just found, plus some other things.
19:18 < cchamilt> ill probably do it in a few weeks, want to get my rock work back together.
19:26 < cchamilt> there is something weird in this rock...
19:26 < cchamilt> libtool: link: cannot find the library `' appears in several packages
19:27 < cchamilt> i just tried paragui out of the chroot and it filled the file in: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libSDL.la'
19:29 < rxr> to the "the ISO is not in the net" problem - gsmp.tfh-berlin.de pushed 120 GB into the net yesterday
19:30 < rxr> and 62GB the day before
19:30 < rxr> 19 GB so far today
19:30 < cchamilt> the log shows that is isnt looking for a specific '-l' (no name lib)
19:30 < holyolli> rxr: we could set the bittorrent and edonkey links also on the homepage
19:31 < rxr> /ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0/desktop/drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentiu...
19:31 < rxr> 301
19:31 < rxr> 301 hits for the file this months - so do not blame not me for not providing the file
19:32 < rxr> the file is also on the 2nd mirror now:
19:32 < rxr> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/stable/2.0.0/desktop/
19:32 < rxr> s/file/files
19:32 < rxr> +/
19:32 < rxr> holyolli: do we already have those links
19:34 < holyolli> rxr: donkey...yes..bittorrent i don't know / can't check
19:35 < rxr> ich lese mich nachher mal in bittorrent ein ...
19:36 < cchamilt> hmm, googling says this may be broken .la files.
19:36 < holyolli> rxr: iirc, netrunner wanted to write a bittorrent description file for that
19:36 < holyolli> rxr: i'll send you the ed2k:// link via mail
19:38 < cchamilt> oh god, the horror....
19:38 < cchamilt> dependency_libs=' -pthread -pthread -pthread -pthread -pthread -pthread....
19:40 < cchamilt> libSDL.la is toasted
19:42 < cchamilt> libSDLmm.la has same thing
19:45 < cchamilt> I think avifile may have this internally
19:48 < cchamilt> SDL's screwed .la is causing errors in paragui, libmpeg2, mjpegtools, and blender.  SDLs bug or an internal SDL inclusion may be causing avifile to error.
19:50 < rxr> new news entry:
19:50 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=36
19:53 < cchamilt> rxr: should I just patch configure to put -lpthread in instead of -pthread?
19:58 < rxr> cchamilt: if this is the root of the problem, yes ...
19:58 < rxr> cchamilt: I just accidently closed your querry - can you repate the spamassassin patch or what was there ... ;-) ?
19:59 < cchamilt> I think libsdlmm is clean, must only get it from sdl.
19:59 < cchamilt> sure
20:04 < tcr> moin all
20:07 < tcr> cchamilt, were you talking about the sdl package?
20:07 < holyolli> hi tcr
20:07 < tcr> moin holyolli
20:07 < cchamilt> yes, sdl has -pthread in configure.in instead of -lpthread.  it messes up libtool for all users of sdl.
20:08 < tcr> rxr: my mozilla places that newsbox not right after the Newsflash Article headline, but to the "the ROCK portal site" column in the navbar table
20:08 < cchamilt> i am trying a fix now, just restarted my build.
20:08 < tcr> rxr: is that intentional?
20:09 < tcr> cchamilt, Well as I sent to the ml, I built sdl two days before, though not as part of a whole build
20:09 < tcr> it built flawlessly (but apparantly, that doesn't mean anything)
20:09 < cchamilt> it builds fine, just cant be built against using libtool.
20:10 < tcr> Ah.
20:10 < cchamilt> should fix a few progs dependent on it.
20:11 < rxr> tcr: AFAIK mozilla does not render the HTML code correctly ...
20:11 < rxr> tcr: I told Clifford that it does not look good - but AFIAK noone had the fun to change the typo script in the CMS ...
20:11 < cchamilt> rxr: svn up i made still refers to itself as rc5.
20:13 < tcr> rxr: Well, it's not all that bad... mozilla tends to munge with the rights colors anyway (everytime I use another browser I'm surprised what colors certain website have which I never saw when using mozilla---that's not *that* bad either, more the opposite since I'm not that a fan of colorful website anyway)
20:13 < cchamilt> it is rev 2488.
20:14 < rolla> eth1: received irq with unknown events 0x27. Please report
20:14 < rolla> anyone seen that error before?
20:14 < holyolli> rolla: is it on your alpha?
20:14 < daja77> nope but i fight with network stuff in recent rock too
20:15 < rxr> rolla: nope
20:15 < rolla> nope
20:15 < rolla> my amd
20:15 < cchamilt> sweet libmpeg2 built now with sdl.
20:16 < rolla> on board nic card
20:16 < rolla> it freaks out alot right now
20:16 < cchamilt> via board?
20:16 < tcr> BTW. how's (been) the weather today for you? (particularly addressing the germs, erm germans)
20:17 < tcr> 10cm snow here 8)
20:17 < holyolli> tcr: cold. 6/8 broken stratus with -SN
20:17 < cchamilt> wet
20:18 < tcr> Has been quite funny :]
20:18 < holyolli> tcr: just some snowflakes..
20:18 < tcr> Though I'm having a bad flue... 
20:18 < cchamilt> no e
20:19 < tcr> I wasn't sure, but thanks
20:20 < rxr> rerunning the RegTest the fourth time
20:20 < cchamilt> i am going to get generic down to about 20 package errors i hope.
20:20 < tcr> Gonna become a nice tv evening... first a documentation about resistance against hitler and then frontal21 on zdf.
20:20 * tcr bbl
20:22 < cchamilt> shoot paragui messes with python's files.
20:22 < cchamilt> it builds though.
20:28 < rxr> cchamilt: I patches python to not reupdate the paragui files
20:28 < rxr> patched even 
20:28 < rxr> worked for me ... :-(
20:28 < SMP> yes, shoot it
20:29 < cchamilt> hmm, i bet it is that python built first while paragui didnt originally.
20:30 < cchamilt> it was paragui that did the conflict.
20:30 < mnemoc> e
20:30 < mnemoc> re
20:33 < cchamilt> hmm, edge needs to be passed /opt/e17 during autogen.
20:37 < rxr> cchamilt: edje fix committed
20:37 < rxr> cchamilt: I forgot to commit it ...
20:37 < cchamilt> rxr: should package/rene/imlib2/e17.conf's line ...sh autogen.sh $enablecxx" include $confopt?
20:37 < cchamilt> oh nevermind...
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20:39 < rxr> cchamilt: version update committed
20:42 < cchamilt> ok, i will see about merging.
20:43 < cchamilt> wonder how i can make it purdy
20:43 < cchamilt> hmm, sleep is needed.
20:44 < cchamilt> n8 all
20:44 < holyolli> n8 cchamilt
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21:20 < mnemoc> uhm... SM mails are not threadable :\
21:21 < rxr> mnemoc: write clifford ...
21:21 < rxr> new handbook released
21:21 < mnemoc> good :)
21:22 < mnemoc> i also have every file in history in my download :)
21:39 < rxr> blindy: 
21:39 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=38
21:41 < darix> another moviex
21:42 < darix> btw: the layout is a bit funny in firefox/firebird
21:42 < darix> the box is aligned to the bottom
21:43 < mnemoc> firefox?? it got renamed??
21:43 < tfing> mnemoc: one month ago
21:44 < mnemoc> i'll have to update :)
21:46 < mnemoc> as i should have expected the logo changed too :\ ... now i'll have to search for a 128x128 fireFOX :|
21:47 < tfing> http://texturizer.net/firefox/images/firefox-logo.png
21:47 < tfing> like this one ?
21:47 < mnemoc> :o
21:47 < mnemoc> like that one :)
21:47 < tfing> ^^
21:48 < tfing> just like all the time, just tag a release a stable to get the bug reports :)
21:49 < mnemoc> i you don't tag nobody said nothing
21:49 < mnemoc> anything*
21:49 * tfing nods
21:50 < mnemoc> now we will have a better 2.0.1 than the 2.0.0-rc9 we would get on the same time without releasing
21:52 < mnemoc> .oO( my english is getting worse day by day )
21:52 < rxr> mnemoc: ACK
21:53 < mnemoc> ack what?
21:53 < tfing> rxr: for the bad english ? :)
21:53 < rxr> mnemoc: tfing: nope - to the 2.0.0 release
21:53 < mnemoc> =)
21:53 < rxr> I'm off now - patches have to wait until tomorrow :-(
21:53 < mnemoc> cu rxr
21:53 < tfing> bye
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21:54 < rammi> hi
21:55 < mnemoc> hi t-shirt-rammi
21:56 < rammi> heh ;) nice nick .. 
21:56 < mnemoc> =)
21:57 < rammi> how do you translate hello to german?
21:58 < holyolli> hallo
21:58 < holyolli> hallo rammi, btw. ;-)
21:58 < SMP> (easy, isn't it? ;) )
21:59 < rammi> yes.. 
21:59 < rammi> I don't know German .. only English.. but bad English
22:00 < holyolli> babelfish.altavista.com
22:00 < holyolli> ;-)
22:00 < holyolli> <-- uses it, too!
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22:00 < mnemoc> dict.leo.org?
22:00 < rammi> i sow it, but newer tryed
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22:00 < tcr> rammi, I swear you probably understand german better than I do understand your slavic language
22:01 < rammi> serbian
22:02 < mnemoc> how do you translate hello to serbian?
22:02 < rammi> zdravo
22:03 < mnemoc> that wasn't easy.... how do u pronounce it?
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22:04 < rammi> zdravo :)
22:04 < rammi> our language is very easy .. 
22:05 < mnemoc> to you
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22:05 < rammi> ;)
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22:09 < rammi> I listen Rammstein, Oomph.. but I don't have a clue what they are saying :)
22:09 < rammi> but still like them..
22:10 < mnemoc> does your nick came from their name?
22:11 < rammi> yes.. I used [rammstein] firts, but that is a bad nickname.. 
22:11 < rammi> I use rammi or ram now
22:12 < SMP> in case of Ramstein text, ignorance is bliss
22:12 < SMP> texts
22:14 < rammi> I need some time to translate it.. :(
22:15 * SMP would recommend Grönemeyer for the advanced learner ;)
22:17 < SMP> it's like Alanis Morissette in serious stream of consciousness mode ;)
22:17 < rammi> I translate it now :)
22:18 < rammi> I guess you raight..
22:29 < rammi> cu.
22:29 < mnemoc> cu rammi 
22:29 < rammi> thanks for German lessons.. 
22:29 < rammi> :)
22:30 < mnemoc> bitte
22:31 < rammi> bitte?
22:32 < mnemoc> answer to thanks :)
22:32 < mnemoc> am i wrong?
22:33 < rammi> :)
22:33 < rammi> cu
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23:14 < daja77> re
23:16 < daja77> rxr: here?
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23:25 < mnemoc> seems not
23:27 < netrunner> re, 2
23:27 < netrunner> kde update seems to run well ... 
23:27 < mnemoc> sm send
23:27 < tfing> 3.2.1 ?
23:28 < daja77> mnemoc: have noticed thx
23:29 < netrunner> tfing: yup
23:29 * netrunner creating cksum-patch
23:35 < netrunner> sm sent
23:36 < netrunner> (my build is at kdepim, later regressions yet unknown ;)
23:38 < daja77> only thing o've seen was kdeadmin
23:41 < netrunner> they're all updated.
23:42 < daja77> good
23:42 < daja77> <- can't do builds atm
23:42 < mnemoc> why?
23:43 < daja77> my build machine is broken
23:43 < mnemoc> define broken
23:43 < daja77> machine freezes before counting memory
23:43 < netrunner> oh, did we break it? *duck*
23:44 < daja77> netrunner: no idea, maybe i get some replacement by clt insurance
23:44 < netrunner> ah, it was at clt
23:44 < daja77> it was located at games booth this weekend
23:44 < daja77> yes
23:45 * daja77 living on knoppix again :(
23:47 < mnemoc> clt insurance? i guess those are against robbery and not against karmic hardware damage
23:48 < mnemoc> coffee damage is also covered?
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23:49 < daja77> no coffee damage
23:49 < daja77> transport damage i guess
23:51 < netrunner> n8
23:51 < mnemoc> n8 netrunner 
23:51 < daja77> n8 netrunner and thx
23:52 < daja77> does anyone knows if rxr sells rocklinux cds by ordering?
23:54 < holyolli> daja77: no, but this reminds me to the merchandising-mail... ;)
23:55 < daja77> got a mail via clt where to buy rocklinux cds
23:58 < A-Tui> hola
23:58 < mnemoc> hola A-Tui
23:58 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
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