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00:07 < cytrinox> gn8
00:07 < mnemoc> n8 cytrinox 
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03:44 < rolla> re
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05:26 < cchamilt> THERE WILL BE A POINT AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE ONLY TESTED AND WORKING CHANGES SHOULD BE COMMITTED!!!
05:26 < cchamilt> fuck fuck fuck
05:26 < cchamilt> why the hell did i trust rxr
05:30 < cchamilt> Going from 2488(2.0.0) to 2494(2.0.1) should not have broke anything.  BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN FIXES.
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05:42 < cchamilt> nullmailer, povray31 now dont compile and rocksndiamonds needs a bit of work.
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08:40 < netrunne1> opt/kde32/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdgantt.mo: kde-i18n-fr koffice-i18n
08:41 < netrunne1> 902 builds total, 615 completed fine, 15 with errors.
09:03 < blindy> moin
09:04 < fake> moin
09:13 < cchamilt> does linux have a good 'live' compressed filesystem?
09:14 < blindy> cramfs?
09:15 < cchamilt> with decent rw?
09:15 < blindy> no idea, never used it
09:16 < cchamilt> Want to make drive based tape replacement.  Doesn't especially need good rw, but it would be cool.  Kind of like stac stuff for dos.
09:17 < cchamilt> Get a 25 drive rack and shove 400GB drives in for about 25TB of removable backup space.
09:17 < cchamilt> I think that would sell.
09:21 < blindy> maybe I should really give 2.6 a try...
09:21 < blindy> creating a LVP and listening to music via xmms and nas is more than just lagging
09:24 * blindy trying renice
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09:34 * blindy --> to the vet again with my dog
09:34 < daja77> hf
10:27 < blindy> bock
10:27 < blindy> back
10:39 < holyolli> re & moin
10:41 < holyolli> blindy: http://holyolli.dyndns.org/rocklinux/lvp <-- athlon-xp-build
10:41 < blindy> WEE
10:42 * blindy downloading to mirrors
10:42 < holyolli> jo
10:45 < holyolli> blindy: hm. k6-3 is anyway too slow for video playback, isn't it?
10:47 < blindy> hm.. for divx decryption it is
10:47 < blindy> mpeg might work
10:48 < blindy> but what about a hardware mpeg-decoder?
10:48 < blindy> but I have seen assembler problems when compiling mplayer for k6-2
10:48 < holyolli> ah
10:48 < blindy> I have an old k6-2 500 MHz here, tried to compile there
10:48 < blindy> and it tried to stuff 129 into a signed byte
10:49 < holyolli> whoops.. =)
11:04 < blindy> holyolli: iso is on the mirrors, thanks :)
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11:06 < holyolli> blindy: no prob
11:09 < holyolli> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3664502485&category=55390 <-- *lol!*
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11:15 < holyolli> anybody with a typo3-account for the webpage here?
11:15 * blindy --> off buying some things
11:15 < blindy> bye
11:15 < holyolli> cu blindy
11:15 < daja77> hi holyolli 
11:16 < holyolli> hi daja77
11:21 * fake has
11:22 < daja77> hi fake 
11:22 < holyolli> hi fake
11:22 < holyolli> fake: could you do some changes? or should i send you the files?
11:23 < fake> what should i do?
11:24 < holyolli> perhaps you could add lvp under 'target distributions' - it's otherwise quiet hard to find
11:25 < holyolli> and i talked with rxr that we should take 'maillist', 'bugtracking system' in to an own 'support' category
11:26 < fake> uh
11:26 < fake> such massive changes are something for later today
11:26 < fake> i am in school now and my connection sucks
11:26 < holyolli> ah..ok
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11:52 < fake> hi clifford!
11:53 < daja77> hi clifford 
11:53 < clifford> hi all.
11:53 < clifford> I need someone to make new screenshots of the rock build.
11:53 < daja77> clifford: should i send you your cigarettes with ups? *gg*
11:53 < clifford> I'm not at home right now and cant reach my hosts at home for whatever reason..
11:54 < daja77> my build machine is broken after clt
11:54 < fake> clifford: you have to add every directory that should be not hidden as a single-host-export to /etc/exports so nohide works -_-
11:54 < clifford> daja77: just toss them away (cigarettes, not build machines)
11:54 < daja77> i was just kidding
11:55 < daja77> at least i can use the handkerchiefs ^^
11:55 < clifford> fake: so we can't do it with the current fs layout because the mount points change all the time..
11:55 < clifford> you got my mail about redesigning the loopback mounts?
11:56 < fake> clifford: i'm just opening it. in the meantime i fixed coda, and tried to get samba working on mips ;))
11:56 < daja77> cool
11:57 < clifford> An editor from Linux Magazine (http://www.linux-magazine.com) sent me a mail that he need a new screenshot by today evening to include the 2.0 announcement in the next linux magazine issue.
11:57 < daja77> wow
11:58 < fake> what oh what does he expect...
11:58 < holyolli> clifford: what kind of screenshot does he need?
11:58 < fake> another kde
11:58 < holyolli> fake: *g*
11:58 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.org/fileadmin/user_upload/about/screenshot_config.jpg .. something like that.
11:58 < clifford> ... choose a section which contains some really cool config options.. ;-)
12:00 < fake> clifford: that's cool (loopmount revolution)
12:00 < clifford> hehe.
12:01 < fake> clifford: we could just rename all non-lfs-stuff in the root like tools.cross in to UPPERCASE
12:01 < fake> clifford: like R - then it's clear it's part of the build system
12:01 < fake> (despite 7 bit terminals)
12:02 < fake> *on
12:02 < fake> s,despite,except,
12:03 < clifford> that are minor details.. I'll see what I can do in that direction the next few days (currently my primary interest is beating this f*cking flu)
12:03 < holyolli> clifford: http://holyolli.dyndns.org/~holyolli/screenshot1.jpg
12:03 < holyolli> something like that?
12:04 < fake> clifford: good luck on your flufight... i'm healthy, btw...
12:05 < fake> holyolli: enlightenment?
12:05 < holyolli> fake: jepp
12:05 < fake> e17??
12:06 < holyolli> nope..the old 16
12:06 < fake> ah
12:06 < fake> ok, i was just wondering. this looks exactly like e16 ;)
12:06 < holyolli> hehe
12:07 < fake> but
12:07 < fake> you could activate mor packages, there are about 1111 ...
12:09 < daja77> what is flu?
12:09 < holyolli> daja77: magen-darm-erkrankung ;-)
12:09 < holyolli> montezumas rache
12:09 < clifford> daja77: grippe.
12:09 < holyolli> echt?
12:09 < holyolli> ups
12:10 < daja77> ah k. didn't know that word for it
12:10 < daja77> clifford: got it here?
12:10 < clifford> holyolli: could you change the version number in scripts/parse-config to 2.0.0 for the screenshot?
12:11 < holyolli> yes
12:12 < fake> sw33t
12:13 < fake> do you have a 2nd windows beneath it?
12:14 < fake> -s
12:14 < holyolli> no. it's an error during capturing
12:14 * holyolli is just fixing it
12:14 < fake> oh
12:15 < holyolli> clifford: reload
12:15 < holyolli> hi smp... ;-)
12:15 < fake> nice
12:16 * fake english lesson riot mode
12:24 < clifford> holyolli: could you make the screenshot as gif or tiff? jpg compression is not good for printing..
12:26 < holyolli> clifford: i can
12:30 < holyolli> clifford: screenshot1.gif
12:31 < clifford> holyolli: without dithering??  ;-)
12:32 < holyolli> clifford: ok
12:33 < holyolli> clifford: reload
12:34 < holyolli> better?
12:34 < clifford> perfect - I'll now send the mail to the linuxmagazin guy (gif as attachment)..
12:38 < clifford> afk.
12:43 < cytrinox> moin
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13:39 < blindy> rehi
13:39 * fake having fun with ettercap
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15:05 < netrunne1> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/03/03/svk.html
15:06 < daja77> hi netrunne1 
15:06 < holyolli> hi netrunne1..that article really sounds interessting
15:07 < netrunne1> argl. 
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15:10 < darix> .oO( i mentioned svk here ages ago ;p )o
15:11 * netrunner should start learning for the test tomorrow ...
15:16 < rolla> crap
15:16 < rolla> crap
15:17 < netrunner> rolla: you have things in your mouth ...
15:21 < netrunner> daja77: http://eh.muc.ccc.de/
15:22 < rolla> nope
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15:39 < LocalHero> hi all
15:39 < holyolli> hi LocalHero
15:40 < LocalHero> holyolli: Got your mail :)
15:40 < holyolli> :)
15:41 < LocalHero> holyolli: I have been planing on redesigning the whole iso site for some time now. The current version is not good at all. Im planing on switching back to sql insted of files. It will require some more maintenance but i think it will be better 
15:42 < LocalHero> holyolli: that way you could sort the isos how you like :)
15:42 < holyolli> LocalHero: it was just a small idea ;)
15:42 < LocalHero> does anybody know what lib this is? I get undefined references like this iw_sockets_*
15:42 < holyolli> LocalHero: when redesigning the page...do you think it's possible to use the style of the rocklinux.org-mainsite?
15:43 < LocalHero> holyolli: I think its great that you take your time to reflect about how things are. You are also welcome to contribute if you like :)..
15:44 < LocalHero> holyolli: ofcourse. The reason it isnt like the main site is becase the main site was in redesign when i set up the iso site
15:44 < holyolli> LocalHero: *g* :)
15:44 < holyolli> LocalHero: ah. ok
15:45 < LocalHero> holyolli: but first i have to find out why i get this undefined ref iw_sockets_ntop and fix it so i can get a working version of quanta :)
15:45 < holyolli> quanta? what is that?
15:46 < LocalHero> holyolli: kde's html editor, helps you code php, html etc 
15:46 < holyolli> LocalHero: ah
16:07 < LocalHero> holyolli: Wahoo, i got it to work. Now only some kompiling left :)
16:08 < holyolli> LocalHero: :)
16:11 < netrunner> argl, a ./configure with colored help
16:13 < alanjwylie> There's a LWN article about rock 2.0 at http://lwn.net/Articles/75010/
16:13 < netrunner> how can I avoid my hand_appended confopt to be removed?
16:14 < alanjwylie> They chose to quote a single line about the new .gem package format,
16:14 < alanjwylie> and I'm afraid that the comments rapidly degenerated into a flame-war about package formats
16:14 < alanjwylie> I've posted a comment in an attempt to clarify the concept of Rock
16:16 * holyolli reading
16:17 < netrunner> where's the article? at that url I only see a bunch of user comments ...
16:17 < holyolli> netrunner: bottom of the page..
16:18 < netrunner> there's alanjwylie's comment and then the end.
16:18 < holyolli> netrunner: ah. sorry..i thought you were looking for that.
16:18 < netrunner> does the "article" consist of the one sentence on top?
16:21 < rxr> rehi
16:21 < daja77> hi rxr
16:22 < netrunner> hi rxr 
16:22 < netrunner> rxr: how can I avoid my hand_appended confopt to be removed? (anything besides custmain?)
16:23 < rxr> why removed ?
16:23 < rxr> by the config options verifier - or by what ?
16:24 < alanjwylie> rxr: I've got a custom target we use for our boxes
16:24 < netrunner> rxr: yes. this specific configure has no --help. and it only needs this one parameter, that gets removed by the veifier
16:24 < alanjwylie> rxr: just apache, postfix, mysql, php
16:25 < alanjwylie> plus imap, so that you can use a mysql database for your postfix config,
16:25 < alanjwylie> and then pick your e-mail up using IMAP from a PHP coded web page
16:26 < rxr> netrunner: --help is not used for verification
16:26 < rxr> IIRC there is not way to disable the verifier - I would need to take a look - but a custmain is ok in that case
16:27 < netrunner> rxr: however it works :) thx
16:27 < rxr> netrunner: alternatively we can add a new regex to the patterns that disable the verifier ...
16:27 < rxr> netrunner: can you send the configure script to me so I would adapt it ...
16:28 < netrunner> rxr: it is a stupid thing with colored output that wants {BSD|Linux|someotherplatforms} as parameter.
16:28 < netrunner> rxr: I'll submit it with custmain and a note, so you can take a look if it made the way to the top of the patch queue ;)
16:29 < rxr> netrunner: oje oje - just send it over if you like - I would take a look to verify if we can improve the checker ...
16:30 < rxr> new Handbook version
16:30 < rxr> as HTML as preview - PDF / PS later ...
16:31 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
16:31 < rxr> 0.1.2
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16:33 < netrunner> argl, this stupid configure relies on detecting the architecture :(
16:41 < rxr> ...
16:41 < rxr> cu all later ...
16:43 < netrunner> cu rxr
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16:57 < daja77> lol kopete
17:04 < mnemoc> re :)
17:05 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
17:06 < mnemoc> thx daja
17:06 * mnemoc wonders how was clt and what did u decided about $rock
17:07 * daja77 likes to answer later, cu
17:08 < mnemoc> cu :)
17:11 < netrunner> $rock? a project that throws out $ ? I am positive ;)
17:12 < rolla> re
17:13 < mnemoc> =)
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17:37 < sten> base/iproute2 [2.4.7-ahu-20021020 2.0.0] build fails in Stage 5
17:38 < mnemoc> how can i know who's the postmaster of a vmailmgr-domain?
17:38 < mnemoc> sten: what are you building?
17:38 < sten> menmoc: generic/minimal
17:39 < mnemoc> check if you have bdb built there
17:40 * sten is checking now
17:41 < sten> oh yes,  the error is:  "arpd.c:729: `R_NEXT' undeclared (first use in this function)"
17:41 < mnemoc> look backward for a failed include
17:42 < sten> no, bdb doesn't seem to be built... weird
17:42 < mnemoc> iproute2 needs an smarter config but you can quickfix it adding bdb :)
17:43 < sten> mnemoc: you're totally right.  "../include-glibc/db.h:10:20: db_185.h: No such file or directory"
17:43 < mnemoc> =)
17:44 < mnemoc> aaaarg!!! how can i know who's the postmaster of a vmailmgr-domain?
17:44 < sten> how do I "add" bdb?  ./scripts/Build-Target bdb-stage5 (I forget the syntax, but I'll check it in a second)  Do I edit the .cache, or .conf instead?
17:45 < mnemoc> add X bdb41 to config/$foo/pkgsel
17:45 < mnemoc> and ./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-bdb41
17:45 < sten> ok.  Thanks
17:46 < sten> it'd be a nice feature if your MTA could dump its config, (including virtual domains)
17:46 < sten> I haven't worked with virtual domains enough to know...  (I know postfix can dump its config though)
17:47 < mnemoc> me too... i just 'got' responsable of a qmail/vmailmgr i have never used and it decided to die now
17:48 < mnemoc> it fails and mails postmaster.... i need to found that fscking mail!!! :¬
17:51 < mnemoc> # grep -r -e "To:.*postmaster" * <--- this will take ages
17:51 < sten> mnemoc: this might help you
17:51 < sten> Returning to the example scenario above, if the example.net mail administrator wanted to create a virtual domain, virtual.example.com, under the administrative control of user john, the following entry in virtualdomains would accomplish that:
17:51 < sten>  
17:51 < sten>     virtual.example.com:john
17:51 < sten> locate "virtualdomains"
17:52 < sten> from what I've just read, everything is controlled from there
17:52 < mnemoc> i know the user :)
17:53 < sten> but not the postmaster.  Can there be a different postmaster, per virtual domain?
17:53 < mnemoc> me wonders the same
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17:54 < sten> mnemoc: maybe, in example "virtual.example.com:john"  john is aliased as the postmaster somewhere else?  (probably not /etc/aliases, but in a canonical database of qmail's own)
17:54 < mnemoc> 'john' don't have ./Maildir :(
17:55 * mnemoc kicks sit in from on him
17:55 < sten> he's a $HOME-less user?
17:55 < mnemoc> nope
17:55 < mnemoc> in his home there is a users/ dir with Maildirs of v-people
17:55 < sten> ohhh
17:56 < mnemoc> but i think postmaster is global
17:56 < mnemoc> but who the fsck is him!! :¬
17:56 < sten> yes, postmaster should be global.  (Isn't that in /etc/aliases?)
17:57 < mnemoc> don't exist :(
17:57 * mnemoc kicks this bad mouse and wrong kb-layout
17:57 < sten> eh?!?!  Have you "locate aliases" yet?
17:58 < sten> man that's weird...  I've heard qmail is a weird MTA though
17:58 < sten> check out "/var/qmail/alias"
17:59 < sten> I think that's where postmaster might be defined
17:59 < mnemoc> yes!
17:59 < mnemoc> /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster
17:59 < sten> :-)
18:00 < mnemoc> aaaaaarg.... nospam@domain.cl which seems to be defined as something like 'void'
18:00 * mnemoc kicks old admin
18:01 * mnemoc chaing postmaster and waiting :¬
18:02 < mnemoc> s,¬,\,g
18:11 < mnemoc> doesn't work
18:14 < sten> mnemoc: did you run qmail-something, to send all of the qmail process a SIGUP, which forces them to re-read the config?
18:15 < sten> qmailctl reload
18:16 < sten> oops, qmail needs a "HUP"
18:16 < sten> there's a good qmail resource at:
18:16 < sten> http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#virtual-domains
18:18 < mnemoc> nice...
18:18 < mnemoc> svc -h /service/* :)
18:19 < mnemoc> *headbang*
18:21 < mnemoc> i can't even found 'current' logs
18:28 < praenti> hi
18:28 < praenti> anybody knows if the smart optimisation works well?
18:28 < daja77> hi praenti 
18:29 < SMP> praenti: yes, if you have a large CPU cache
18:29 < praenti> SMP: ahh. ok thx. perhaps I should not use this feature yet
18:30 < sten> SMP: what kind of optomizations are taking place?
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18:31 < sten> SMP:  I have only heard of CFLAG optomizations
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18:32 < SMP> sten: smart optimisation is a function our compiler-wrapper that alters the compiler switch ("CFLAGS") depending on the input file name
18:34 < sten> SMP: ok, that makes sense.  Does this mean that one input file name might get "-O" and another "-02" and the odd app would get "-03"?
18:35 < blindy> someone here who's got a few minutes to review some documentation?
18:35 < SMP> it is normally used to build everything optimised for size (-Os), with -O3 for several hot-spots (on per-file level, see http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/scripts/smart_db.txt) 
18:36 < sten> SMP: WOW, this is going to be really handy.  (I don't have to these decisions anymore!)
18:37 < sten> SMP: and from what I read in smart_db.txt, only the relevant source code gets the relevant optomizations.  (instead of a whole-applications blanket, traditionally used)
18:37 < SMP> on current CPUs -Os code is usually faster than code optimised for speed, because smaller code makes better use of the CPU caches
18:38 < sten> SMP: what is "current"  I have an Athlon T-Bird 750. (one of the odd Slot-A ones)
18:38 < sten> I think it's an athlon with extra cache, but not sure
18:38 < SMP> well, it's a matter of how big the cache is
18:39 < SMP> Clifford tested it on Opterons, they have 1MB cache IIRC
18:39 < sten> just 256kb
18:39 < SMP> so it should work with Xeons, too
18:39 < SMP> and the Pentium 4 Extreme thingie
18:39 < netrunner>  ... Unknown option '-pthread'
18:40 < sten> I think my 256kb is too small for -O.  yeah?  (is it turned on by default?)
18:40 < SMP> the effects should be very small to nonexistent on CPUs with smaller caches
18:41 < sten> is it worth it to change "-O" to "-02" somewhere?
18:42 < daja77> rxr: BIGPINGOFDEATH
18:45 < SMP> sten: default and recommended is ROCKCFG_OPT=size (-Os)
18:46 < SMP> I'm not sure if the compiler does loop-unrolling when optimisind for size, it might be worth forcing -funroll-loops additionally
18:48 < netrunner> daja77: hey, leave him intact ;)
18:48 < daja77> hehe just called him up, he is ok
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19:00 < danimo> hi
19:01 < daja77> hi danimo 
19:01 < daja77> isdn? tu-chemnitz?
19:01 < daja77> where is ktown?
19:01 < danimo> daja77: I only need to tunnel for ircnet
19:01 < danimo> daja77: since I cannot provide a identd
19:02 < daja77> danimo: you could join that chan here too
19:02 < daja77> ic
19:09 < danimo> daja77: and isdn is not true either, it's dsl in fact, but it seems to share the IP pool with isdn dialups
19:10 < daja77> doesn't matter in that case ^^
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19:31 < daja77> hmm 
19:39 < netrunner> hmm,2
19:46 * rolla starts his compile of glibc 2.3 on alpha
19:52 < rxr> rehi
19:53 < daja77> re rxr!
19:53 < rxr> oh - my so many queries waiting ...
19:53 < netrunner> 903 builds total, 737 completed fine, 28 with errors. (-4 errors, they are mine ;)
19:53 < daja77> rxr: just look at status window first
19:54 < netrunner> daja77: I do not believe he uses windows.
19:54 < daja77> who?
19:54 < netrunner> rene ;)
19:55 < daja77> O_o
19:55 < daja77> valentin?
19:55 < netrunner> daja77: I was trying to make fun of your words. but never mind :)
19:56 < rxr> netrunner: ;-)
19:56 < daja77> netrunner: nice try
19:56 < rxr> daja77: this is windows-free zone - just ROCK in this flat ...
19:56 < daja77> good so what do you mean?
19:56 * daja77 puzzled
19:57 < rxr> daja77: you wrote "status windows" - this is why netrunner got to windows ...
19:57 < netrunner> daja77: you said he should look at his window ... and I silently addded a s
19:57 < daja77> ts
19:57 * netrunner thinks daja's tired :)
19:57 < rxr> ...
19:58 < daja77> netrunner: could be true
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20:33 < tcr> moin all
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20:57 < tcr> moin cchamilt
20:58 < cchamilt> morning, just flooding rxr about various package bugs i have found.
20:58 < cchamilt> still over 30 broken packages
21:01 < cchamilt> our gcc3 does not support -pthread, which is bsd and appears that gcc3 should support it linux to for some odd reason.
21:01 < cchamilt> i think using it instead of -lpthread is really stupid.
21:02 < cchamilt> finally a specifically stupid thing bsd does that linux doesnt or shouldnt.
21:03 < cchamilt> should i say libtool does not support -pthread, nor does pkg-config i think.
21:04 < tcr> Let it fix upstream
21:05 < cchamilt> we need 2.0.0 to actually build.
21:06 < cchamilt> libtool appears to be set up intentionally this way. pkg-config should support it.
21:06 < SMP> argh
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21:10 < rxr> SMP: hm?
21:11 < SMP> rxr: patch will be on sm in a second ...
21:11 < cchamilt> shoot, autotools appears to be inserting the -pthread crap maybe.
21:13 < SMP> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031021085214393
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21:19 < cchamilt> rxr, there is no way the last nullmailer, povray31 changes could have been tested.  They have bad typos.
21:20 < rxr> SMP: oO0
21:21 < rxr> cchamilt: complain at the authors - AFAIK they are not in my desktop target and can not test any possible code-flow
21:21 < cchamilt> can i be in charge of generic target then?
21:21 < cchamilt> someone needs to audit this.
21:22 < rxr> I do not pass the generic target to anyone
21:22 < rxr> cchamilt: you can send patches regularly ...
21:22 < cchamilt> need someone to maintain the target though, otherwise...
21:23 < rxr> netrunner: please use pkgisinstalled in your qt patch
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21:43 < cchamilt> rxr: where are the changelogs kept for revisions now?
21:44 < sten> Yay, generic/minimal+xfree is done building.  I just decided that I'd like to have gems for kde on hand.  Can I still include them in my target?  (after adding them with "X" can I ./scripts/Build-Target?)
21:45 < jsaw_> cchamilt: you really know the difference between -pthread and -lpthread?
21:46 < cchamilt> no, just that libtool spews when it sees it
21:47 < jsaw_> then you'd better read the man page before complaining. I guess it also makes a difference if fs or ds is used.
21:47 < jsaw_> (for the __thread directive)
21:48 < cchamilt> which man page is that...
21:48 < jsaw_> gcc
21:49 < jsaw_> Adds support for multithreading with the pthreads library.  This
21:49 < jsaw_> option sets flags for both the preprocessor and linker.
21:52 < cchamilt> oh, i know it is both a flag and a library, just in most cases in linux it appears to only need to be the library
21:53 < cchamilt> glib for instance performs a weird sed on itself if it sense linux, it doesnt appear to work though.
21:53 < jsaw_> I think not anymore since on i386 the thread local data segment is stored in fs.
21:54 < cchamilt> the problem is that you get -pthread in your .la's which kills libtool.
21:54 < jsaw_> hmmm. The problem is, that an awful lot of defines have to set otherwise.
21:55 < cchamilt> i guess the best thing would be to stop it from getting into the la during generation
21:55 < cchamilt> what generates the .la's?
21:55 < jsaw_> maybe the newer libtool solves it, lemma see...
21:55 < jsaw_> libtool
21:57 < jsaw_> cchamilt: where does the -pthread appear in .la's?
21:58 < cchamilt>  /usr/lib/libSDL.la and pkg-config includes it in the libs of glib 2.0.
21:59 < cchamilt> i've tried just making configure use -lpthread, but both still misbehave
21:59 < jsaw_> not here... ?
22:00 < cchamilt> what revision are you
22:00 < jsaw_> oh, yes, pkg-config has it, but not libSDL.la.
22:00 < jsaw_> cchamilt: sth. between HEAD-50:HEAD. mixed.
22:01 < cchamilt> pkg-config will probably handle it though.  the sdl crap is killing me.
22:01 < jsaw_> what's wrong with sdl?
22:02 < cchamilt> no idea, it just keeps including several copies it in the dependencies section.
22:02 < jsaw_> me away, daughter crying...
22:02 < cchamilt> the only place it is declared in the src, i have altered it.  So I am assuming it is getting it from somewhere else
22:05 < SMP> sigh. 1-linux24-header fails for sparc cross build
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22:06 < cchamilt> damn it is 5am
22:08 < rxr> SMP: yes - cliffords cross gcc patch seems to broke it
22:08 < rxr> SMP: I already have ugly results in my regression tester (unreleased)
22:08 < rxr> SMP: I'll fix the cross builds tomorrow arround lunch or so ...
22:13 < rxr> hm - the arches that have been defect before are fixed now (like arm) - all the others fail now ...
22:13 < cchamilt> 30 errors
22:13 < jsaw_> re
22:13 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 
22:14 < jsaw_> hi rxr, SMP
22:14 < jsaw_> :)
22:16 < cchamilt> oh well, if i could get this pthread thing figured out, it would be only 25 errors.
22:17 < SMP> rxr: hmm, the patch seems only to affect gcc3, I was building with gcc33 
22:18 < jsaw_> rxr: concerning the autogen patch, I cannot tell yet. I have screwed my build. So the test has to wait. (but manually: I have tried to get rid of some libtool error, and re-autoconf'ing seemed to help)
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22:18 < rammi> clear
22:18 < cchamilt> rxr: my current version of etcher seems to not know where e17 is.
22:19 < rammi> /\ Hi /\
22:19 < SMP> rammi: ugh
22:20 * jsaw_ waits for html support in irc
22:20 < rammi> I 'am at friends home.. His mirc script :)
22:21 < rammi> I don't like those fancy text ...
22:26 < cchamilt> gn8 all
22:26 < jsaw_> gotta go back to work, presentation on friday - damn close, cu
22:26 < rammi> 'night
22:26 < jsaw_> cu cchamilt 
22:26 < darix> 21:55:29 < reiffert> hi there, anyone willing to help betatesting http://ftp.gcu-squad.org/misc/blowjob-irssi_0.9.0.pl.txt so that it can be released to scripts.irssi.org? It encrypts messages with blowfish. If you like to betatest, be sure to have the latest version (0.9.0) and join #blowtest on freenode (irc.debian.org).
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22:54 < rxr> SMP: regtest output now online on the consulting site
22:54 < rxr> except alpha which did not even produce proper error output ....
22:57 < tfing> hmm, gmane put the ROCK mls in gmane.linux.distributions.rock.*
22:58 < tfing> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.distributions.rock.submaster.cvs <- the .cvs is clearly pointless
22:58 < SMP> gmane sucks ...
22:59 < netrunner> rxr: sorry, but I find nothing about 'pkgisinstalled' in Documentation or packages 
22:59 < SMP> it's called pkginstalled
23:00 < netrunner> ah. at least one occurrence ;)
23:00 < rxr> SMP: yes - thanks
23:00 < rxr> netrunner: it is shiny new
23:13 < netrunner> does it also mean "has already been built"? (sounds like that)
23:14 < rxr> netrunner: yes - the function checks $root/var/adm/...
23:15 < rxr> and the function should replace the various [ -f $root/var/adm/s.th./... ]'s in the .conf files ...
23:15 < netrunner> so nobody would notice if a feature gets disabled because of wrong build order. as opposed to pkgcheck X blubb
23:16 < rxr> netrunner: nopt - the user get's what his system already includes and features
23:17 < rxr> if you have a desktop build - but used your default config for a minimal build the package would check if the minimal config includes mysql and falsly assume to not incldue support for it in qt when the user Builds or Emerges the package
23:17 < rxr> this is ugly
23:17 < rxr> it is auto-detected in qt.conf - so it should be detected what the current system (or build progress in build/.../ ) includes
23:18 < rxr> I guess you do not expect mplayer to fail just because your system does not include some flunky seldem used codec - but mplayer uses the package list of your generic build to check whether to enavble support for it ...
23:19 < netrunner> rxr: but I expect other packages to fail if this functionality is not included in there. (mythtv needs the mysql driver in qt)
23:20 < netrunner> maybe this behaviour should be stage specific. like pkgcheck X in stage 5, like pkginstalled in 9
23:20 < SMP> no!
23:21 < SMP> you can't enable support for something that is not there, not in stage 9 and also not in stage 5
23:22 < netrunner> SMP: but I want to notice that I need something. not just silently disable and wonder why the other package does not build.
23:23 < SMP> if fails no matter if you used pkgcheck or pkginstalled
23:23 < SMP> s,if,it,
23:23 < netrunner> SMP: the ckeck, yes. 
23:24 < SMP> wait. are you talking about config-time?
23:24 < SMP> or build-time?
23:24 < netrunner> SMP: but I am talking about the order. If mysql is enabled, then I want mysql driver in qt. not silently disable it just because the order is wrong
23:25 < rxr> netrunner: the order will be wrong - either by manual tuning - or after the next reference build suffle ...
23:25 < rxr> erhm
23:25 < netrunner> SMP: rxr's feature is for the time when the system is installed. but i need it during build.
23:25 < rxr> s/wrong/correct/ - too late for me
23:25 < rxr> netrunner: it does work during the build.
23:25 < netrunner> rxr: no, with your feature we would not notice because it just does not use it.
23:25 < rxr> netrunner: you notice at mythtv or what this thing was named
23:26 < netrunner> (if I understood you correctly)
23:27 < rxr> of course we could make the function more inteligent and check if it is installed for a single package build - and for the presence in the package list during a target build
23:27 < rxr> just use the function - and propose it to the list
23:28 < netrunner> rxr: there's just need to differenciate between stage 5 and 9, as 9 is used for the single build anyway, and in stage 9 it is built anyway, if it gets built
23:29 < rxr> we'll see
23:30 < netrunner> hm. what shall I do now to change the patch? can I revert it in my tree somehow? without the change being sent as new patch?
23:32 * SMP wants cross build to work ;-\
23:32 < rxr> SMP: revert cliffords patch
23:32 < rxr> might be a start - I just did so in my test tree ...
23:32 < rxr> SMP: for what do you now need cross builds and sparc in this particular case?
23:33 < SMP> my Krups
23:33 < rxr> oeh - ah
23:33 < rxr> do you have s.th. on it already?
23:33 < SMP> I used to
23:34 < SMP> I prepared and distributed an NFS root and a kit to make images for the built-in flash based on 1.5.12
23:38 < rxr> nice
23:38 < rxr> regtest running
23:38 < rxr> i'm off home - cu
23:38 < SMP> cu
23:53 < SMP> no, reverting the gcc3.conf change does not make a difference
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