--- Log opened Fri Mar 12 00:00:17 2004
00:00 < mnemoc> in that case we (.cl) are a target too (as president of the security council of UN)
00:01 < A-Tui> mmmmm could be, but they advised spain yet
00:02 < mnemoc> spain (as we) was playing to be a big country which it isn't... who care about what we (.es/.cl) do or say?
00:07 < mnemoc> .oO( are we significantly more important than... andorra or guyana? )
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00:08 < rammi> hi
00:08 < mnemoc> hi rammi
00:12 < A-Tui> mnemoc, :)
00:12 < A-Tui> mnemoc, i agree with that words :)
00:18 < darix> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
00:22 < A-Tui> kiss package requires linux24 headers?
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00:48 < daja77> re
00:49 < A-Tui> hola daja77
00:49 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
00:53 * fake adds 'php' to the list 'why this world is b0rken'
00:53 < daja77> hehe
00:53 < daja77> not using java?
00:56 < daja77> anyway gn8
01:00 < darix> fake: building php and all deps is painfull ;)
01:58 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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09:23 < rxr> rehi
09:40 < blindy> moin
09:41 < rxr> moin blindy 
09:42 < blindy> moin rxr
09:42 < blindy> congrats on that CeBIT thing!
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09:43 < rxr> yeah - this is really great
09:45 < blindy> indeed! how did you manage to get a booth there?
09:45 < blindy> Coaxed the KDE people to lend theirs to you?
09:48 < rxr> blindy: nah - I just started to manage a OpenBooth space for next year while talking to the Linux New Media AG and KDE people - and it happend that the KDE people do not need the space this year because they will be located at SuSE - this way we speed up the registration process to already attend this year ...
09:49 < blindy> cool! just cool!
09:51 < blindy> wish I could be there, but I have to teach Linux to some MCSEs next week >_<
09:51 < rxr> yeah - so now I'm extremely busy getting 2.0.1 out until then - and creating PR material
09:51 < blindy> yes, I can imagine that
09:57 * blindy won't be bothering with termcap and loop-aes then :)
10:08 < blindy> hmm
10:08 < blindy> setting up a Submaster Web-thingie isn't that easy without docs >_<
10:17 < rxr> blindy: why do you want to setup a submaster web thingi ?
10:17 < blindy> rxr: I want a featur in SubMaster: Dependencies
10:18 < blindy> rxr: that's why I set one up to play with
10:18 < blindy> rxr: like the LVP Patch: I have 4 patch deps in a comment and one of those depends on yet another patch.
10:19 < blindy> rxr: I want to have this solved cleanly and - maybe - with the possibility to create a dependency tree for being nice to look at :)=
10:29 < netrunne1> re
10:29 < blindy> moin netrunne1 
10:30 < netrunne1> arg
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10:30 < netrunner> i hate that
10:31 < blindy> use keepnick
10:32 < netrunner> I tried it, but didn't work. simply did nothing
10:33 < netrunner> what about the linuxtag karlsruhe thing btw? nobody interested?
10:37 < rxr> netrunner: we are interested - just no time yet to bother 
10:37 < rxr> netrunner: can you coordinate registration and so on?
10:38 < netrunner> rxr: I would, if I'd notice I am not the only one going there.
10:38 < rxr> netrunner: I'm there
10:39 < rxr> and other too - we always have been at this Linuxtag ...
10:39 < netrunner> ok, so I'll write them if we get some space.
10:39 < rxr> netrunner: nah - not "ig"
10:39 < rxr> netrunner: write them that we plan to attend as usually or so
10:39 < netrunner> sure :) 
10:39 < rxr> if even
10:40 < rxr> isn't there some web thing to click into?
10:40 < rxr> there is some Joe (or so) who knows Ripclaw and ROCK - maybe we should write to him ...
10:41 < netrunner> I think the community-projects pavillion is the place to go, and this joe is to be mailed. http://www.linuxtag.org/2004/community/pavillon.html
10:41 < netrunner> So maybe ripclaw should do the mailing
10:42 < rxr> netrunner: I would just mail them
10:43 < rxr> netrunner: I phoned with ripclaw some days ago - he had an car accident and so on ...
10:43 < rxr> netrunner: just write the mail and CC him or so ...
10:44 < rxr> s/him/ripclaw/ of course ..
10:44 < netrunner> ok.
10:46 < netrunner> would it take a lot of time to set me up a netrunner@rocklinux.org or avmeier@rocklinux.org? Looks better for this purpose.
10:48 < netrunner> btw, I bought a bike last week, and wondered a lot about those seats with a hole in the middle.  ... until I found http://clubs.dir.bg/showthreaded.php?Cat=13&Board=biking&Number=1941221405&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part
10:54 < rxr> netrunner: ask Clifford - but just sending the mail should be fine
10:54 < netrunner> ok
11:04 < netrunner> omg  http://clip.ath.cx/kul/britney.jpg
11:05 < rxr> netrunner: what you doing there ?!?!
11:05 < netrunner> rxr: where?
11:06 < rxr> the other searching for crazy pics - the other pic was already enough shocking with susan around ...
11:06 * rxr not pasting any pic from netrunner into the browser anymore ...
11:06 < netrunner> *g*
11:06 < netrunner> rxr: sorry, didn't want to embarass you :/
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11:07 < netrunner> the latter is non-explicit. just shows a comment from britney spears how stupid she is.
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11:08 < rxr> maybe she believes in re-birth - or how this is named in english ...
11:08 < netrunner> reincarnation
11:08 < rxr> yeah - that
11:10 < rxr> those debian guys are strange - naming the gsmlib package gsm-utils ...
11:11 < rxr> fake: how do you generate your sms notifications? Some mail notification of your ISP or so - or selfmade?
11:13 < netrunner> rxr: you can either use a modem hooked up to your mailserver that dials the gsm-provider (tap/ucp) or a cellphone on the server, or using a mailgateway of your phone provider ...
11:18 < rxr> netrunner: I guess "dials the gsm-provider (tap/ucp)" is not "free"? What are the costs?
11:20 < netrunner> rxr: the cost is a connection from your telephone company to the respective network (e.g. telecom -> D2)
11:20 < netrunner> with callbycall about 15cent
11:21 < blindy> WEE!
11:21 < blindy> it werks :)
11:21 < blindy> ehm works
11:21 < netrunner> whet werks?
11:21 < netrunner> :)
11:21 < daja77> moin
11:21 < blindy> netrunner: dependencies in submaster
11:21 < blindy> moin daja77 
11:21 < blindy> netrunner: I'm currently working on that a bit
11:22 < netrunner> hi daja77 
11:23 < daja77> hi netrunner, blindy, rxr
11:29 < blindy> please have a look at it: http://scavenger.homeip.net/cgi-bin/smadm.cgi
11:29 < blindy> http-authentication is guest / guest
11:31 < daja77> rxr: ripclaw had another accident??!
11:31 * netrunner away
11:32 < daja77> blindy: what should we test there
11:32 < daja77> cu netrunner 
11:33 < blindy> daja77: see the details of the first patch
11:33 < blindy> daja77: there should be some dependencies there
11:33 < blindy> daja77: please tell me if you like that or not
11:33 < daja77> internal server error when click on the patch
11:33 < rxr> daja77: when I called him three days ago he just had a car accident ...
11:34 < daja77> this is crazy
11:34 < blindy> daja77: oh... please use the "Open Patch link"
11:34 < rxr> daja77: I do not know how many "other" accidents he had ....
11:34 < daja77> rxr: more than 6 afaik
11:34 < blindy> d'oh
11:34 < daja77> this guy should be kept away from roads ;)
11:35 < blindy> setting up SM without docs can really kill your day >_<
11:35 < daja77> ah dependencies, nice
11:35 < blindy> daja77: what do you think of this?
11:36 < daja77> nice idea
11:36 < blindy> ok, I'll send a patch to the list :)
11:38 < blindy> as soon as I removed some code duplication
11:51 < blindy> done
11:51 < blindy> patch sent
11:52 < blindy> now for some last-minute house-cleaning before the women arrive...
11:52 < daja77> women?
11:53 < blindy> yes
11:53 < blindy> two of them
11:53 < blindy> from today until sunday
11:55 < blindy> here at my home
11:55 < daja77> hf ;)
11:56 < blindy> heh, something like that :)
12:00 < daja77> sounds like fun to me
12:01 < blindy> I don't know what this sounds like, but I'll tell you once they're gone again
12:01 < daja77> lol k
12:01 < blindy> including address of hospital I'm at
12:01 < daja77> O_o
12:02 < blindy> if applicable :)
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13:13 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 
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13:20 < rxr> hm
13:20 < rxr> I'll be shorlty off-line
13:20 < rxr> if localhero (aka Alexander) arrives please tell him I'm online agian in half an hour or so
13:20 < blindy> ok
13:20 < rxr> rocklinux-consultinde.de will be online in some mintues for the ram update ...
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13:48 < rene> rehi
13:48 -!- rene is now known as rxr
13:48 < rxr> server online again
13:48 < blindy> re
13:48 < blindy> good ^^
13:49 < rxr> with faster RAM and additinal 800 virtual Mht (the -XP AMD ratin ...)
13:49 < blindy> nice
13:51 < rxr> Mhz even ...
13:51 < blindy> sure :)
13:53 < blindy> rxr: maybe you and clifford sure talk directly instead of using the mailinglist in this matter.
13:54 < rxr> we'll see in the next .cache commit how much faster the box is now ...
13:54 < rxr> blindy: we wanted but found no time at CLT ...
13:54 < blindy> rxr: I see.
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13:56 < rxr> hi Droot 
13:58 < mnemoc> moin
14:01 < blindy> hi mnemoc 
14:01 < mnemoc> hi blindy 
14:01 < mnemoc> hi rxr
14:01 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
14:11 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
14:20 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
14:21 < cytrinox`-> moin
14:21 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox`- 
14:22 < blindy> finally I have a roadmap for LVP now :)
14:22 < mnemoc> WOW! i want one of those here too
14:23 < blindy> now I'm busy until at least 0.5.0 :)
14:23 < mnemoc> =)
14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.0.1 will be a hotfix release of 2.0.0, can you write down your list of goals for the nexts releases? so we can discuss priorities etc... and then we can make a roadmap (PLEASE)
14:32 < daja77> 2.0.1 for cebit
14:33 < mnemoc> 2.0.1 is clear now, i wonder about 2.0.[2-...]
14:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I answered your mail with the roadmap plan - I can clean it up and repost it
14:34 < mnemoc> yes? when???..... keywords to search?
14:34 < rxr> the next ones will not get so many updates - they will be merged in bigger chunks out of trunk - save bits
14:36 < rxr>   193  03/06   4k To:rock-devel@rock Re: [rock-devel] v2.0.0 -> future         $
14:36 < rxr> I can answer your next mail in thread also in some minutes  (when I'm finished playint with my Cell-Phone to get GRPS working ...)
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: ah.. i was talking about something more detailed :)
14:43 < mnemoc> i'll wait :p
14:46 < mnemoc> clifford: i'm not too against your development model, my main problem is about direction, nobody knows where this ship is going and this way we can't discuss or even work good
14:48 < mnemoc> clifford: if foo has control over foo/ repo AND he really knows which are the goals and the timelines he will can work as a help to the tree-mantainer
14:49 < mnemoc> clifford: other kind of changes need to go to submaster
14:49 < blindy> is clifford here?
14:49 < mnemoc> don't know be he always checks his log even if he don't answer :)
14:49 < mnemoc> s/be/but/1
14:49 < blindy> ah I see
14:51 < mnemoc> mmm.. i don't know if i should keep mailing
14:51 < mnemoc> i'll wait for rene's reply :p
14:56 < blindy> btw. what is a smap journal?
14:59 < rxr> hm - I'm now online via my phone using GRPS ...
15:00 < blindy> rxr: throughput?
15:00 < darix> rxr: bored or too much moneyß
15:01 < blindy> I haven't bothered to set up GPRS yet
15:02 < rxr> was 5kB/s
15:03 < rxr> p# ping www.heise.de
15:03 < rxr> PING www.heise.de (193.99.144.71): 56 octets data
15:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.71: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=785.1 ms
15:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.71: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=720.0 ms
15:03 < rxr> darix: no DSL in my flat ...
15:03 < rxr> I want a fallback if I'm @home and need s.th. urgently ...
15:03 < rxr> blindy: GSM?
15:05 < blindy> rxr: last time I used my phone to connect to internet I was still using debian
15:06 < rxr> OMG
15:06 < blindy> btw. I have never used pppd without roaring penguin on ROCK...
15:07 < rxr> roaring what?
15:07 < blindy> rp-pppoe
15:07 < rxr> plain vanilla ROCK:
15:07 < rxr> interface ppp0(sanne)
15:07 < rxr> pppoe eth0 auto 
15:07 < rxr> ppp-option user "the-t-offline-id"
15:08 < rxr> ppp-option password "the-to-offline-passwd"
15:08 < rxr> ppp-option defaultroute
15:08 < rxr>         ppp-option usepeerdns
15:08 < rxr> finished
15:08 < blindy> well, that was a year ago. AFAIK you needed a CVS checkout of pppd by that time for pppoe
15:08 < rxr> I'll now improve the ppp ROCK Net module to handle chat stuff so I can GRPS and GSM via ROCK Net
15:09 < rxr> blindy: in the past there was a 3rd party pach I always used - and the last -rc includes pppoe stuff
15:09 < blindy> heh, good luck. btw. it's gPRs not gRPs
15:09 < rxr> blindy: ah yes - I tend to reverse them ...
15:09 < blindy> rxr: just so you don't confuse them on the CeBit :)
15:09 < rxr> we use this ppp-rc (and I should take a look if there an update ...)
15:10 < blindy> I see. well, nevermind then ;)
15:10 < rxr> ok - I practive gprs, gprs, gprs, gprs ...
15:10 < blindy> *lol*
15:10 < rxr> yesterday in a O2 shop where I bought the USB cable for my Siemens phone:
15:11 < blindy> uh-oh... that sounds like the beginning of a scary story
15:11 < rxr> "Ouhm - this is yet another cable, and I just made sure that the original Siemens cable will work under my professional Linux Operating System ....
15:12 < rxr> can I bring it back when it is crap and is not yet supported? - Oh wait, the package can be open without destroying it - might I just plug it into my laptop?"
15:12 < rxr> "Hm - let's see - oh sure"
15:13 < rxr> "/me plugging the thing into my iBook - and *ping* ROCK net detected a serial dongle - module loader /dev/usb/tts/0 present -> ok I take it ...
15:13 < rxr> "
15:13 < rxr> the cable had an label: "First install software before plug this device into the compuer"
15:13 < rxr> seems I installed the right software before I plugged the thing into my laptop ...
15:13 < blindy> hehe
15:13 < rxr> ROCK Plug rocks ...
15:14 < jsaw_> even if I shouldn't be here but back to our all-day-boring-long symposium, I have time for a short :)
15:15 * jsaw_ now going to hide in a dark corner, cu 2n8!
15:17 < rolla> does anyone here use openmosix?
15:30 * blindy not
15:38 < blindy> rxr: any solution for data cables that only activate if you press the hotsync button on the palm on the other end of the cable?
15:53 < blindy> bbl
15:57 < rxr> blindy: I have no palm ...
16:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i reply clifford trying to addapt my view to what i understood of his, and i'm  waiting for comments, screams and unfriendly words :)
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16:40 < LocalHero> Hi all
16:40 < LocalHero> rxr: Lost your password again ;).. Haha, well you are not the only one ;)
16:47 < rxr> yeah - hi
16:47 < rxr> who else? you? ;=
16:50 < mnemoc> uhm... i mailed a .zip generated with /dev/urandom (to get an extra day :p) and teacher mail me back because his mcafee said him that it has a virus o_O
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: *lol*
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17:01 < tcr> moin all
17:01 < mnemoc> moin tcr
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17:23 < rxr> LocalHero: still here?
17:32 < mnemoc> rxr: did you read me 'proposal' to cliff? comments? (can be at /query if you like ;-)
17:33 * mnemoc kicks sourceforge :\
17:34 < mnemoc> 20 minutes waiting for the confirmation mail :'(
17:36 < rxr> mnemoc: later
17:37 < rxr> mnemoc: I just fight with bash and echo ...
17:37 < mnemoc> what's wrong with echo??
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17:39 < rxr> I need the correct quoting in a file - bash and echo are against me
17:41 < fake> hm
17:41 < fake> tsa: ping
17:42 < fake> tsa: cyrus-sasl-2.1.17 has gone away
17:42 < fake> before being mirrored
17:45 < fake> ... patch in sm
17:51 < fake> rxr: there is an offer of o2
17:51 < fake> rxr: for 2,95 EUR extra/month i can read and sead as much emails from my handy as i like (via a wap frontend)
17:51 < fake> rxr: and i get a mail address @o2online.de
17:52 < fake> rxr: when a mail arrives at this address, i get an sms with subject, content exceprt and a linkt o directly read it
17:52 < fake> rxr: so i have a ! line in my .mailfilter
18:03 < rxr> fake: interesting
18:03 < rxr> (and good to know - sice I'm also ad o2 ...)
18:04 < rxr> fake: do you use some form of data service (gsm or gprs)?
18:04 < fake> aeh
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18:04 < fake> please be more specific ;)
18:06 < fake> http://www.o2online.de/o2/kunden/myo2/startseite/o2activepacks/mailpack/index.html
18:06 < rxr> do you use gsm or gprs for internet access when you are abroad
18:07 < fake> well, only for reading my mail on my mobile phone, but that's so fscking slow
18:07 < fake> rxr: don't get tempted by any other 'active pack' like surf&email, the sms notify is only limited in the other packs
18:08 < fake> (you can not use your phone's internal mail app, just the wap mail frontend)
18:10 < rxr> I used gprs with linux here today
18:10 < rxr> 700ms pings
18:10 < rxr> @ 5kB/s
18:13 < fake> one word: ugly
18:14 < fake> try to grab a umts phone on cebit ;)
18:14 < rxr> even more expensive
18:15 < fake> who said 'buy' ?
18:15 < rxr> in theory gprs should be faster - maybe with my current config I get 10kB/s
18:15 < rxr> with 4xxxxx Baud the phone does not repond anymore ... :-(
18:15 < rxr> fake: I got this - but the cost of use is expensive, too ...
18:15 < fake> siemens?
18:16 < rxr> yes
18:16 < rxr> why ?
18:16 < rxr> M55 ...
18:16 < rxr> (I had to save money in November when I got it ...)
18:16 < rxr> otherwise I would have your T610, too ...)
18:16 < fake> that's where the new packages come from ;)
18:17 < rxr> the goot thing is that the cable is a normal serial dongle - so I'll cut it in the middle - introduce some special plug, and can use it when I plug-in a SUB-D-9 adapter for serial consoles ...
18:18 < fake> sweet 
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18:22 < laga_> re
18:22 < rxr> hi laga_ 
18:22 < laga_> hi rxr
18:26 < laga_> err, ok. i downloaded those drock images (beta 6). i`ve just installed it, and now, i have few questions. 1.) where are the usb drivers? (ehci-hcd for example) 2.) why do i get "unresolved symbols" while running depmod on the stock kernel? 
18:26 < laga_> ^^ or are these the reason for putting "beta" in the release name? :)
18:27 < fake> why beta6 ??
18:29 < fake> rxr: maybe you want to move any old images somewhere strange...
18:30 < laga_> fake, hmm. i see that i'm using localheros images, oops :)
18:31 < fake> laga_: hope your connection speed isn't too bad...
18:32 < rxr> fake: iso.rocklinux.de does not yet have the -final
18:33 < rxr> fake: laga_: it will be there in some hours (when I'm finished with ROCK Net and have the time to polish the files on the mirrors ...)
18:33 < laga_> fake, 90kbps should be enough. but, err...how can i update the whole system? i'm missing these emerge scripts and the other stuff
18:33 < rxr> when you want to build from source
18:33 < rxr> Update-System
18:33 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg is also there ..
18:34 < fake> cd /usr/src/rock-src && mkdir config && cp -r /etc/ROCK-CONFIG config/default && ./scripts/Update-System
18:34 < laga_> fake, ok, thanx
18:35 < fake> later, only ./scripts/Update-System | ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg <packagename> is needed
18:36 < fake> rxr: is that in the handbook?
18:37 < rxr> hm - barely I guess ...
18:38 < fake> i could conitribute that, but i have never seen Emerge-Pkg -deps working...?
18:40 < fake> .oO( netrunner is a pervert (while reading backlog))
18:43 < laga_> hmm, that "beta 6" could explain why it installed gnome 2.2 etc..i was a little bit confused during the installation :)
18:44 < fake> beta6 is really old
18:44 < laga_> yep
18:44 < laga_> btw, has the installer changed? it sucked a little bit :)
18:45 < fake> not changed, but enhanced
18:45 < laga_> nice.
18:45 < laga_> sometimes, it was a little bit confusing
18:46 < fake> you can always implement a nicer one and submit it ;)
18:46 < laga_> hmm, you are right. can you teach me a programming language? :)
18:46 < fake> sure.
18:47 < fake> http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Languages/
18:47 < laga_> hehe. it was kind of a rehtorical question :)
18:48 < tcr> laga_, rock's mostly shell script
18:49 < fake> (the installer is c)
18:49 < fake> gasgui is, in fact
18:49 < fake> the stone mod is shell
18:54 < laga_> ok, my line could be a little faster :(
18:54 < tcr> Heh
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19:09 < rolla> grr
19:10 < rxr> yeah - now ROCK Net PPP is improved to handle GPRS connections
19:10 < rxr> and should work for analog modem dial-ups, too
19:10 < fake> cool!
19:11 < rxr> I'll retest if if does still work for DSL (after my refactoring ...)
19:11 < rxr> interface ppp0(o2-grps)
19:11 < rxr>         ppp /dev/usb/tts/0 230400
19:11 < rxr>         ppp-defaults
19:11 < rxr>         chat-defaults
19:11 < rxr>         chat-init  'at+cgdcont=1,"IP","internet"'
19:11 < rxr>         chat-dial  'atd*99***1#'
19:11 < rxr> that's it
19:11 < netrunner> rxr: could you document that?
19:11 < rxr> netrunner: ROCK Net is fully documented in the Handbook
19:12 < fake> ppp /dev/bluetooth/rfcomm/0 ;)
19:12 < netrunner> rxr: *duck* :)
19:12 < rxr> netrunner: and I'll adapt my handbook to include the todays PPP changes
19:12 < rxr> netrunner: there are even "how to share DSL via W-Lan" examples and so on in the book!
19:13 < rxr> I'll add a modem and GPRS example, too
19:13 < netrunner> rxr: I'll support you with a section about nx compression :)
19:13 < rxr> ;-)
19:13 < fake> netrunner: good!
19:13 < laga_> rxr, "how to share DSL via W-Lan" examples <- yeah, nice. i could use that :)
19:13 * netrunner already begun writing.
19:13 < rxr> laga_: using ad-hoc mode ...
19:13 < rxr> netrunner: cool
19:14 < laga_> rxr, i'm using a prism2card as an access point
19:14 < SMP> any objections to using /etc/network/.rocknet instead of /tmp/.rocknet ?
19:15 < rxr> SMP: why?
19:15 < SMP> symlink attack?
19:15 < rxr> hm
19:16 < rxr> SMP: /var/* ?
19:17 < SMP> ok, /var/run/rocknet 
19:21 < rxr> ok - next commit
19:22 < rxr> done
19:22 < SMP> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031219174308196
19:23 < rxr> SMP: this are exaclty the bits from CLT - and they are tested and do not break anything ?
19:24 < SMP> the system.init code is not exactly the same, but cleaner functionally equivalent. only the exact CLT version is tested, thoug
19:24 < rxr> SMP: have you ever run it?
19:25 < SMP> not this thing
19:26 < rxr> hm
19:27 < rxr> I'll bother my iBook with the patch - back in some seconds if the patch does not horrible screw my book ...
19:30 < fake> ... 5 years later ...
19:31 < SMP> the ip-up script is funny ...
19:31 < fake> btw, i have objections to rene and clifford both being at cebit
19:32 < SMP> makes resolv.conf acculmulate '# added by /etc/ppp/ip-up during PPP connect ...' lines
19:33 < rxr> *lol*:
19:33 < rxr> Running svn add and svn del commands ...
19:33 < rxr> Commiting patch to subversion ...
19:33 < rxr> Log message unchanged or not specified
19:33 < rxr> a)bort, c)ontinue, e)dit
19:33 < rxr> a
19:33 < rxr> Marking patch 2004031219174308196 as applied ...
19:33 < rxr> Removing 2004031219174308196.{patch,stat} ...
19:33 * rxr no comment
19:34 < fake> rxr: fix it?
19:34 < rxr> SMP: unlike the smap status might suggest it is not yet applied - but on my iBook for testing ...
19:34 < fake> complaining is easy...
19:44 < rxr> fake: you should know that I normally fix stuff
19:45 < rxr> SMP: your patch survived a init s ; init 2
19:49 < rxr> fake: have you used gsm - or only gprs so far?
19:57 < rxr> ok - cu I'm off
20:11 < mnemoc> *yawn*
20:14 < SMP> gah, our complete init system is broken
20:15 < mnemoc> not only init s?
20:16 < SMP> well, now init 0 or init 6 from single-user mode does not work as it should
20:17 < SMP> plus the 'system' initscript really needs to be modularized and broken up into init.d and boot.d
20:17 < mnemoc> your rewrite looks equivalent
20:17 < mnemoc> yes, system.init is too fat
20:17 < SMP> equivalent?
20:18 < mnemoc> the lower part
20:18 < mnemoc> the reboot on 'S' of course not ;)
20:18 < SMP> well the problem is something else
20:19 < SMP> because we have not rc0.d / rc6.d, the system init won't be run for an S -> 0/6 transition, which results in init saying 'no more processes in this runlevel' instead of a halt or reboot triggered by the system init
20:21 < mnemoc> fake rc[06].d?
20:22 < mnemoc> mmm...
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21:10 < rxr> SMP: propose this to clifford  ...
21:10 < rxr> rehi btw - just testing my new PPP code for DSL ...
21:10 < rxr> (and I broke it - fix on the way)
21:10 < mnemoc> rxr: DSL??!! =)
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21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: @ Susanne ... - not in my flat :-(
21:14 < mnemoc> then you will move from valentin's? ;)
21:15 < mnemoc> +away
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21:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I currently obfuscate all DSL connection from people arround me
21:48 < rxr> yesterday I worked here @Susan and today I started here, visited Valentin and drove back
21:48 < rxr> and now I drive home ...
21:48 < mnemoc> what happened with the wlan of youir neighbor?
21:48 < rxr> mnemoc: have to see ...
21:49 < rxr> with the recent ROCK Net I'm now able to use internet via my cell-phone w/ gprs ...
21:49 < mnemoc> fear wallet... fear!
21:49 < laga_> so haven't to use the wlan of your neighbour any longer? :)
21:49 < SMP> mnemoc: heh, yeah ...
21:51 < SMP> rxr: I hope you're seeing your grilf for other reasons than utilising her DSL, too! ;)
21:53 < rxr> SMP: yes
22:18 < mnemoc> tcr: here?
22:33 < tcr> mnemoc, yup
22:34 < mnemoc> query :)
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23:21 < daja77> re
23:21 < mnemoc> re daja77 
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23:23 < daja77> mnemoc: iirc you wanted to ask me sth?
23:29 < mnemoc> me?
23:32 < daja77> thought so, clt related perhaps
23:32 < mnemoc> oh, yes... i just wanted to know what did you decide about rock's future
23:32 < mnemoc> and how was the event and reactions to the launching
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