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00:08 < netrunner> hand applied, looks good (want-have ;)
00:17 < netrunner> *g* http://clip.ath.cx/kul/lesson.txt
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09:19 < netrunner> moin
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09:34 < owl> moin
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09:53 < rxr> rehi
09:53 < rxr> moin owl 
10:11 < owl> hi rxr
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11:43 < blindy> moin
11:47 < daja77> moin
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12:06 < tcr> moin all
12:06 < sakatoon> re
12:07 < rxr> hi sakatoon and tcr
12:08 < daja77> hi rxr
12:17 < rxr> hi daja77 
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13:16 < cytrinox`-> moin
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14:30 < daja77> 14:25 < reca> lol, --with-sco              Use this to turn on SCO-specific code
14:30 < daja77> 14:25 < reca> irsi configureoptionen
14:44 < Aard> daja77: --with-sco will break the build process? ;)
14:44 < daja77> hehe 
14:45 < daja77> --with-sco prints out adresses of lawyers
14:45 < Aard> lol 
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14:45 < laga_> re
15:01 < laga_> is there any gui for X ("X" as in "not xterm" :))
15:01 < laga_> ?
15:04 < tcr> hm?
15:05 < owl> gui for X?! *confused*
15:06 < blindy> *yawns*
15:06 < laga_> err. i'm sorry, i forgot the most important part of the qustion :)
15:06 < owl> hi blindy
15:06 < laga_> hi blindy
15:06 < blindy> hi owly
15:06 < blindy> hi all :)
15:07 < laga_> i'm looking for a kind of a packet management
15:08 < blindy> mine?
15:09 < laga_> yeah, but it's a command line tool. ok, i don't mind the comamnd line, but it would be nice to have something..um, clicky  :)
15:10 < rxr> laga_: if someone needs this he/she will developt it ... ;-)
15:10 < blindy> stone has a frontend for mine
15:10 < laga_> hehe :)
15:10 < blindy> and a X11 interface
15:11 < laga_> blindy, ah, thanx!
15:11 < rxr> blindy: stone -x11
15:11 < blindy> rxr: ah, fes. that's what I meant
15:11 < rxr> blindy: you know it does work today?
15:12 < blindy> no, I usually use it to set up a thing or two during installation
15:12 < blindy> package "management" is done by scripts/Emerge-Pkg here
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15:19 < Arios> with rocklinux I can make my own distro?
15:21 < laga_> Arios, hi. uhm, yes...you can put together the software of your choice, make an iso and burn it..yes, you can make your own distri
15:21 < blindy> *sigh* manners seem to have been vanquished from IRC
15:21 < blindy> Arios: hi. yes.
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15:53 < nookie> daja77: ping
15:57 < daja77> hm?
15:58 < laga_> let's assume that i have modules which i tant to load on boot, where do i put them? in the modules.conf?
16:12 < rxr> laga_: /etc/conf/$subsystem in the variable $SUBSYSTEM_MODULES
16:12 < rxr> or in /etc/conf/kernel
16:12 < rxr> laga_: see also:
16:12 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html#x36-7800010
16:13 < laga_> cool, thanks. i'll have a look
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16:16 < brain-> hello
16:19 < netrunner> nice, stone -x11, something new learned :)
16:21 < brain-> will I have to download all the sources again if i go from 2.0.0-rc4 to 2.0.0?
16:22 < netrunner> brain-: only those packages that got updated.
16:22 < blindy> brain-: no, only some
16:23 < brain-> hmm
16:24 < brain-> I don't want to exceed my bandwidth cap =(
16:25 < blindy> brain-: use ./scripts/Download -list-missing to see what packages need to be downloaded
16:25 < brain-> thank you
16:26 < blindy> then you can approximate how much MB there are
16:26 < brain-> cool
16:28 < brain-> does building against linux 2.6 work in 2.0.0?
16:29 < rxr> brain-: not perfectly
16:29 < brain-> building gcc fails for me in rc4
16:29 < brain-> ok, then i'll stick to 24 for now
16:29 < rxr> brain-: use the 2.4 headers that will work - with 2.6 headers you get some errors
16:29 < rxr> but it works perfectly with 2.6 kernels anyway ..
16:30 < mnemoc> to be able to use linux24-headers you have to set linux24 as default kernel
16:31 < brain-> yeah i know... I just wanted to compile against 2.6 because that seems so leet ;)
16:40 < daja77> re
16:42 < mnemoc> moin =)
16:42 < laga_> moin daja77, mnemoc
16:48 < daja77> moin mnemoc & laga_ 
16:49 < laga_> ok, my rock linux installation is now working... rock rocks :)
16:49 < daja77> indeed
16:49 < laga_> and kde 3.2 too.
16:52 < rxr> laga_: nice to hear
16:58 < rxr> this damn fucking GNOME update - pulled packages where patches do not apply anymore
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16:59 < laga_> err. i don't like acpi, it crashes my laptop :(
17:00 < rxr> acpi=off or so ...
17:00 < rxr> cu later
17:00 < laga_> ok, it crashes when i try to use it (hybernate etc..)
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17:16 < fake> hi
17:18 < fake> netrunner: *ROFL* @http://clip.ath.cx/kul/lesson.txt
17:21 < laga_> LOL
17:21 < laga_> nice one :)
17:22 < blindy> MUAHAHA
17:45 < brain-> funny, although slightly unrealistic... =)
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18:34 < _NULL_> re
18:34 < _NULL_> someone knows the concert guitar "hoefner hz23"?
18:35 < rxr> no
18:36 < _NULL_> hmmm. ok. can you suggest a accoustic guitar for a beginner?
18:41 < blindy> _NULL_: trying to learn how to play a guitar?
18:42 < _NULL_> blindy, yes, i will start it soon
18:42 < _NULL_> why?
18:42 < blindy> just asking
18:42 < _NULL_> oki
18:47 < cchamilt> what kind of music do you want to learn to play?
18:49 < _NULL_> mixed. 
18:49 < cchamilt> classical, folk, etc.
18:49 < cchamilt> do you plan to play with a pick or fingers on your right hand?
18:50 < _NULL_> i still don't know. but i guess rock, or something.. fingers with left hand
18:51 < cchamilt> your left handed?
18:52 < _NULL_> nope. normally not, but while playing the guitar i'm left-handed
18:52 < cchamilt> i would not recommend going with a left handed guitar even if you are...
18:52 < cchamilt> ??
18:52 < _NULL_> why?
18:53 < cchamilt> Because, you will be short changed with the variety of instruments later and learning the guitar usually goes past coordination you currently have.
18:54 < _NULL_> hmm. i dunno. i guess i will just play the guitar... but will first will test it for 4 weeks, then might i will buy a own guitar
18:54 < cchamilt> You also want power/endurance in plucking, and if you are righthanded that is where you have it.
18:54 < cchamilt> If you plan to play mostly rock and with a pick, get a narrow neck with metal strings.
18:55 < _NULL_> hmmm. i normally can write with left and write hand... and if i'm playing or even holding the guitar in my right hand, i'm getting a large knot in the hands 
18:55 < cchamilt> The amount of frets is not a big deal on acoustics, 20 is realistic, more are probably a waste and uncomfortable.
18:56 < cchamilt> If you were doing classical I would recommend wide neck and gut strings.
18:56 < blindy> you know what...
18:56 < blindy> I have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about
18:57 < cchamilt> heh
18:57 < cchamilt> it is a new rock package...
18:57 < cchamilt> The knot, i think you refer to is the part of the body that isnt cut away to get access to upper frets.
18:57 < _NULL_> hmmm. the guitar which i would prefer is with nylon strings
18:58 < rxr> cchamilt: do you have patches to contribute - e.g. the spamassasin one ?
18:58 < cchamilt> If you strum with your right, and finger with your left and it is on the bottom then you have a lefthanded guitar.
18:58 < cchamilt> rxr:yes, i am baking them up now.
18:58 < _NULL_> yeah. i know... and i guess i will really choose a lfethanded
18:58 < cchamilt> nylon is 'gut' to some extent.
18:59 < cchamilt> Are the lower note strings on the bottom or top?
18:59 < cchamilt> They should be on top, but you could have a lefthanded guitar reverse strung.
18:59 < _NULL_> hmm... E is on the top... 
19:00 < cchamilt> people do silly things.
19:00 < cchamilt> E is on both sides...
19:00 < _NULL_> the strongest one is on the top
19:00 < cchamilt> the 'bass' one?
19:00 < _NULL_> s/strongest one/strongest string
19:00 < _NULL_> yeah.
19:01 < cchamilt> Good that is right for a lefty...
19:01 < _NULL_> hehe ;) 
19:01 < cchamilt> I could recommend some american teaching books, but...
19:02 < _NULL_> we have nothing in this town, but a small, very-well guitar-studio where the owner is the teacher and teaches blues-rock
19:02 < _NULL_> ...but? ;)
19:02 * rxr wonders how top is define in this context ...
19:02 < cchamilt> The complete guitar guide is a good but expensive reference to general instrument knowledge and music.
19:02 < _NULL_> i c. 
19:02 < cchamilt> It is in paperback now, get it from amazon.uk probably.  Blues is a good start.
19:03 < _NULL_> oki. thx for the hint
19:03 < cchamilt> top - highest in altitude.
19:04 < cchamilt> rxr: i will parse thru them and explain them all.
19:05 < cchamilt> rxr: is an email ok for patches?
19:05 < rxr> cchamilt: yes email is fine
19:05 < rxr> cchamilt: but only send the most important ones for now - since I already freezed trunk -my build is nearly finished ...
19:05 < rxr> and so on
19:06 < tcr> moin cchamilt. Got the eMail?
19:06 < cchamilt> i am finishing fixing snort and slidentd
19:06 < cchamilt> yes. and thanks tcr.
19:07 < tcr> Ah, good. Wasn't sure if that were the right address.. I recall you changed it or wrote once with another to the list
19:08 < cchamilt> rxr: i did koffice-i18n too.
19:09 < rxr> send them I take a look
19:09 < cchamilt> tcr: yeah, that is the best email for me.
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19:25 < rxr> cchamilt: do you send the patches soon? E.g. the koffice one first would be nice ...
19:26 < cchamilt> i am making the tree wide diff now
19:27 < cchamilt> should be only fixes for packages to build, got about 8 or so...
19:30 < fake> rxr: i suggest throwing away qt32
19:30 < fake> it's a bug-fix...
19:31 < rxr> but my 2.0.1 ISO will not include this patch then ...
19:31 < fake> then i'd say 'build it again'
19:32 < fake> it's a very 'peinlich' bug
19:32 < rxr> nope - qt is compatible with version 3.2
19:32 < rxr> *g+
19:32 < fake> oh, then let's set x11 to /usr/X11R1 ?
19:33 < rxr> you are free to do so ...
19:34 < fake> hey, personally i don't care where qt is, it's just not as i would expect it
19:36 < rxr> I'll apply it but not rebuild my wohle ISO - I have more use for CPU power - e.g  other regression tests and a reference build
19:37 < rxr> but not for rebuilding a error free ISO - where Qt has an incorrect prefix - which it had for weeks - unnoticed ...
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19:53 < cchamilt> OK, happy goodluck 8 very much on way to list.
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19:57 < cchamilt> rxr: Are they OK?
20:00 < rxr> cchamilt: I take a look
20:01 < rxr> cchamilt: I guess all except the koffice shared files thing
20:02 < rxr> I take a look which package should not include the file anymore and patch it for up-stream send
20:04 < rxr> cchamilt: btw we have a clean install check pksinstalled
20:04 < cchamilt> yeah, that is just a cheap work around.
20:04 < cchamilt> hmm?
20:04 < rxr> I do not think so
20:04 < cchamilt> i used pkginstalled where i changed things...
20:05 < cchamilt> no i mean my koffice fix is cheap
20:05 < rxr> ah - oki
20:07 < cchamilt> koffice tended to put _koffice on other conflicted files, so I just went lazy.
20:09 < cchamilt> still havent fixed my damn -pthread problem, or i would have included those patches.  It messes up about another 8 packages.
20:10 < cchamilt> I hope it is just my host that causes it.
20:13 < rxr> I have no pthread problems
20:13 < rxr> a full desktop build with only 2 errors left ...
20:14 < cchamilt> which ones?
20:16 < cchamilt> (I think it is an actually an undiscovered gcc new threads compat bug as the host is running the old threads system)
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20:21 < rxr> what kind of "old threads system"
20:22 < cchamilt> old kernel and all tools using old glibc, though it is using new gcc and it is using new glibc.
20:22 < cchamilt> kernel was pre-thread model change.
20:22 < cchamilt> Wonder if it will go away with a kernel update.
20:23 < rxr> I do not think so
20:23 < rxr> you mean TLS (Thread Local Storage??
20:23 < cchamilt> i think so
20:23 < cchamilt> i think gcc is causing the spewing -pthread
20:24 < rxr> we do not configure glibc to use TLS 
20:24 < cchamilt> hmm, not sure i will experiment tomorrow. 
20:25 < cchamilt> I am going to sleep, cyall
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21:01 < _NULL_> re
21:01 < _NULL_> someone has experience with bluetooth and connecting a mobile to the notebook?
21:52 * netrunner not
21:58 < daja77> rxr: ?
22:03 < netrunner> "free for unrestricted use" = gpl ?
22:03 < daja77> nope, gpl is restricted use
22:04 < daja77> there is a Free-to-use license flag in desc files for stuff like that
22:06 < laga_> cya tomorrow, going to sleep :)
22:06 < daja77> n8 laga_ 
22:08 < netrunner> ah, found OpenSource, fits best imho.
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22:11 < A-Tui> ops surprise in spanish elections!! :)
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22:16 < daja77> A-Tui: oh what?
22:16 < A-Tui> daja77, socialist are winning!
22:16 < daja77> how that
22:17 < A-Tui> daja77, a lot of participation in this election
22:17 < A-Tui> and spanish people did not belive aznar when he said that the other day attack was made by ETA
22:18 < daja77> nobody really beleived that
22:19 < A-Tui> daja77, sure, but our (ex)president try that
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22:20 < daja77> yeah i know
22:21 < A-Tui> and cantalan nacionalists have get a lot of support too
22:22 < daja77> seems to me that these bombings fulfilled their purpose ...
22:22 < A-Tui> i'm happy, no more fascist guiding us :)
22:22 < A-Tui> daja77, sure, socialist promised that they come back home spanish troops in iraq
22:23 < daja77> i doubt it
22:23 < A-Tui> daja77, the psoe's promise?
22:23 < daja77> yep
22:23 < A-Tui> mmm me too
22:25 < A-Tui> but i think psoe is a little more moderate than pp
22:32 < netrunner> hihi, I get anti-spam-detection-spam :) ".. Tired of your bulk marketing efforts being labeled as spam? .."
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22:42 < tfing> hi everybody
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22:51 < A-Tui> daja77, now official, PSOE wins
22:54 < tfing> for the elections ?
22:54 < A-Tui> yes
22:54 < A-Tui> we have a new gov
22:54 < tfing> heard that a few minutes ago
22:55 < A-Tui> time for change :)
23:14 < cytrinox> gn8
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