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06:05 < cchamilt> I think generic target has about 10 errors remaining, most are just plain broken sources.
06:06 < cchamilt> Should we disable unfixables?
07:09 < netrunne1> moin
07:09 < netrunne1> cchamilt: why? this way we are reminded of what we have to fix
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07:51 < netrunner> "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 544: mount: command not found" - comes occasionally douring build?
07:51 < netrunner> oh, 4 stage 1 errs, I should not have svn-upped :(
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08:47 < sakatoon> moin
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12:06 < kasal> Hello.
12:07 < kasal> I'd like to ask for help: my build ends on 1-glibc23 saying that it cannot be compiled without optimization.
12:14 < kasal> A second cry: I guess that cmd_wrapper is missing so I loose my -O2...
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12:38 < cytrinox`> moin
12:39 < kasal> hi
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12:56 < netrunner> kasal: have you used scripts/Config to chose an optimization?
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13:17 < kasal> Hi, yes, I've actually changed ROCKCFG_OPT to "speed" but that's not the problem...
13:18 < kasal> I've found the reason of the problem:
13:19 < kasal> Some time ago I've asked here what's the difference between "find ... | while read f; do ...; done" and the weirdly looking "while read f; do ...; done < <(find ...)".
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13:21 < kasal> Well, now I know: the difference is that when you run "find ...| while read f; do list="$list $f"; done" then the variable list is not updated in the main shell.
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13:23 < kasal> And that was the reason why my "wrappers" variable didn't hold all the cmd wrappers, which meant that some of the wrappers were deleted.
13:23 < kasal> So the cause was only in my local copy, sorry for bothering you...
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13:24 < kasal> [If anyone is curious, I can repeat the explanation in maybe less confused manner.]
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13:35 < brain-> hi
13:35 < brain-> I have a problem building 2.0.0 :(
13:36 < brain-> no /etc/profile is created which causes most of the builds to fail
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14:02 < daja77> https://www.linux-events.de/LinuxPark/cebit04/Specials/openbooth.html
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14:07 < laga_> re
14:07 < daja77> wb laga_ 
14:10 < laga_> ok. where do it put the drivers that should load on boot, but don't fit in any existing category?  :)
14:10 < laga_> s/it/I
14:15 < daja77> misc?
14:16 < laga_> err, sorry. i'm sepeaking of rockplug :)
14:16 < daja77> hm
14:19 < laga_> ok, i thnik that i'll put it in the pcisection, i was just curious
14:28 < laga_> strange. i now have an entry "PCI_MODULES="snd-intel8x0" in my /etc/conf/pci, but the driver does not load on boot. any suggestions?
14:29 < daja77> sounds like alsa stuff
14:30 < laga_> yes.
14:30 < daja77> what about also section in /etc/modules.conf
14:31 < laga_> you think i should write it into the modules.conf?
14:32 < daja77> perhaps
14:32 < daja77> and you should check if alsa is the preferred sound system
14:32 < laga_> umm, yes. anyway, i've just found the manual :)
14:32 < daja77> ^^
14:33 < laga_> "this file will be started at the very beginning...and should be used to load kernel modules"
14:34 < laga_> /etc/conf/kernel <- looks good :)
14:34 < daja77> :)
14:35 < laga_> narf. "auto-load all modules at boot-timje using hwscan" and the hwscan entry is net commented out - i think i'm using rockplug? 
14:35 * laga_ is really confused now :)
14:35 < daja77> conf/pci should be the file
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14:56 < laga__> re
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15:17 < laga__> i should install suse. ok, i added my modules in conf/pci, they won't load. i added my modules in conf/kernel (with and without the initrd-option, i ran mkinitrd after doing so). whey won't load. i let alsaconf add them in /etc7modules.conf, wtf am i diong worng?
15:17 < laga__> (and I should learn how to type, I'm sorry)
15:17 < daja77> i have no idea sorry
15:18 < laga__> yeah, it seems very, very strange
15:18 < laga__> mkinitrd also lists the modules which it adds to the initrd
15:18 < daja77> can you load it manually
15:18 < laga__> yes, and then, it works fine.
15:18 < daja77> hm
15:21 < darix> laga__: o.O
15:21 < laga__> darix, ack. :)
15:21 < laga__> i'll try hwscan
15:22 < darix> laga__: suse works fine for me
15:22 < daja77> grml
15:23 < laga__> darix, yes. but the community often refers to it as some kind of newbie-distribution. 
15:23 < darix> laga__: i use the intel8x0 here too
15:23 < darix> and i only used yast to set it up
15:23 < darix> :)
15:23 < laga__> darix, ähm, yes. please, join #suse :)
15:24 < daja77> hehe
15:24 < darix> laga__: /whois darix.
15:25 < laga__> uh, yes. i did so. you are "unbeliebt"? :)
15:26 < darix> of course.
15:26 < darix> do you someone who likes BOfHs?:)
15:26 < laga__> not really..ok, i enjoyed the stories :)
15:27 < daja77> a suse bofh? rofl
15:27 < laga__> ok, now, it loads the modules two times...ok, it's an improvement :)
15:27 < daja77> hehe
15:29 < laga__> i don't understand why hwscan puts so much drivers in the initrd, are there any reasons for this? i don't understand why i shouldn't load them during the "normal" bootup
15:30 < rolla> re
15:31 < daja77> hi rolla 
15:31 < laga__> hi rolla
15:36 < darix> laga__: hmm 
15:36 < darix> what kernel do you run?
15:37 < darix> laga__: with 2.6 there are some little bugs.
15:37 < laga__> 2.6.3-rock. but i had to recompile it without apic support (hangs if you use it together with acüi, but it should be fixed in newer kernel versions)
15:37 < darix> but its kernel related.
15:37 < darix> laga__: in suse 
15:38 < darix> "/etc/sysconfig/kernel" MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT
15:38 < laga__> i heard that suse uses highly patched kernels...what bugs do you mean?
15:40 < darix> laga__: you know kraxel's 2.6 howto?
15:40 < darix> moment
15:41 < laga__> i read one, but i dont know if kraxel wrote it
15:41 < darix> https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/people/kraxel/README
15:41 < darix> https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/people/kraxel/KNOWN_PROBLEMS
15:42 < laga__> thanks
15:43 < laga__> ok, i don't have any problems with this stuff, ok, alsa didn't work, but it seems like i fixed it :)
15:43 < laga__> i'm using hwscan now
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15:57 < netrunner> anybody has a SUSE 6.0? 
15:58 < tfing> maybe in an antic shop :)
15:58 * netrunner just found a productive machine at work running suse6.
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16:12 < darix> how can i configure point to point links on eth devices with rocknet?
16:12 < darix> netrunner: i use my CDs as table mat
16:16 < laga__> yes. got it too work, finally :)
17:11 < waterloo> no, a little before 1995
17:25 < th> mine --help does not tell anything about -i
17:26 < th> and there is no manpage
17:26 < th> that's quite bad
17:26 < laga__> /usr/share/docs/ perhaps?
17:29 < th> hmm "mine -l mine" there are some docs :)
17:33 < fake> th: a program without a manpage is a bug?
17:35 < rolla> grr
17:36 < laga__>  real man read the sourcecode to figure out how the program works
17:37 < Aard> laga__: real man don't need the sources to figure out how the program works ;)
17:38 < fake> unix wouldn't be what it is today without the manpages
17:38 < laga__> Aard, hehe. cat $binary > /dev/dsp :)
17:39 < th> fake: no. basically i see a few methods for getting information about how a program works
17:40 < th> fake: man, --help, share/doc/somewhere, source
17:40 < th> fake: i think you should get info about at least all command line options in the first to ways
17:41 < th> but i have to correct myself... --help is not that bad.
17:42 < th> it's just not so straight.
17:48 < fake> yeah. but mine is pretty straight-forward if you know what it does
17:48 < fake> *anyways
17:51 < rxr> rehi
18:02 < fake> rxr: /opt/qt33 p3-build running ;)
18:06 < darix> now anyone around who can help me a bit with rocknet and point to point links on eth*
18:06 < blindy> moin
18:13 < brain-> Can somebody help me? I get "Permission Denied" when building Binutils on Rock 2.0.0 in Stage 2...
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18:14 < blindy> brain-: are you root?
18:14 < brain-> yes
18:14 < brain-> some files in /etc in the build root seem to be missing
18:14 < blindy> any errors prior to 2-binutils?
18:15 < brain-> passwd, group, profile
18:15 < brain-> i haven't seen any, let me double-check
18:16 < brain-> no, just "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 308: /etc/profile: No such file or directory"
18:16 < brain-> just before building binutils
18:16 < brain-> i am pseudo-cross-compiling from gentoo
18:16 < blindy> from what architecture to which arch?
18:16 < brain-> the error wasn't there in 2.0.0-rc4
18:16 < brain-> i386 to i286
18:16 < rxr> darix: what rocknet problem do you have?
18:17 < brain-> make that i386 to i386 ;)
18:17 < brain-> cross-compiling in the sense of having "Build and use a (pseudo) Cross Compiler" enabled because I'm building on gentoo
18:17 < darix> rxr: do you have a short example how to configure ptp links with it?:)
18:17 < blindy> brain-: ah, I see
18:18 < rxr> darix: ptp? you mean PPP ?
18:18 < blindy> brain-: check the flist of sysfiles if the etc/profile is in there
18:19 < brain-> strange
18:19 < darix> rxr: no i mean point to point links 
18:19 < brain-> no sysfiles in /var/adm/flists
18:19 < darix> rxr: query ok?
18:19 < rxr> darix: sure
18:20 < brain-> also no log in /var/adm/logs
18:20 < brain-> now that's weird
18:21 < blindy> brain-: o_O
18:22 < blindy> you ARE looking in the build/*/root/var/adm/log dir?
18:23 < brain-> well, it's build/*/root/var/adm/logs, yes...
18:24 < brain-> strange
18:24 < brain-> maybe I've messed up the configuration?
18:25 < blindy> I'm out of clues here...
18:26 < laga__> btw, can i just build a minial rock, and then emerge the needed packages by hand and then build the iso, or do i have to choose the packages in scripts/Config
18:27 < brain-> well, thank you anyway =)
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18:29 < brain-> sysfiles is also not in the package list
18:31 < blindy> hmm
18:31 < blindy> that might explain that
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18:32 < brain-> i selected "desktop system" as target and package preselection template "none"... how is it possible that i lack sysfiles?
18:33 < blindy> you encountered a TSH error
18:33 < brain-> while running scripts/Config?
18:37 < blindy> probably
18:37 < blindy> please do: grep sysfiles config/$yourconfig/packages
18:42 < brain-> i have, nothing shows up
18:43 < brain-> I'm starting from scratch now (with a new rock-src-2.0.0 directory)
18:43 < blindy> hmm
18:43 < blindy> is package/base/sysfiles present?
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18:44 < brain-> yes it is
18:44 < blindy> strange
18:44 < brain-> my new packages file has sysfiles
18:44 < brain-> so i guess the config got messed up at some point
18:45 < brain-> thanks a lot for your help
18:45 < brain-> if it happens again i'll let you know ;)
18:45 < brain-> gtg now
18:45 < th> r
18:45 < blindy> ok
18:45 < th> e
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18:47 < th> hmm. i extracted all packages from my dekstop-target-build; chrooted into it; ran ldconfig; mounted /dev/ and /proc; and can't run stone
18:47 < blindy> th: you must create a symlink
18:47 < blindy> /dev/fd to /proc/self/fd
18:47 < th> stones want's some /dev/fd/stuff is missing
18:47 < th> ah yea
18:47 < th> is that because devfsd is not running?
18:48 < blindy> AFAIK this ink is created by /etc/rc.d/init.d/system
18:49 < th> hmmm
18:49 < th> that seems queer to me.
18:49 < th> anyways. it works. 
18:51 < th> but why does stone require /dev/fd?
18:52 < blindy> I think there is some fd-redirection in it like in the build-scripts
18:53 < th> but stone could do that in /proc/self/fd too, couldn't it?
18:54 < rxr> blindy: th: I do not think stone does this manually
18:54 < rxr> it is somewhere in libc or bash or so ..
18:54 < th> ahh
18:54 < th> rxr: might be in dialog
18:54 < rxr> nah
18:54 < rxr> the build scripts do not use dialog
18:54 < blindy> well, it IS done manually in the build scripts
18:54 < rxr> it is libc or bash
18:54 < blindy> some redirection through fd 255
18:54 < blindy> or 200 or something
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19:06 < rxr> 361.09 GB on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de this months ...
19:07 < rxr> http only ...
19:08 < th> is this rock only?
19:10 < rxr> mostly
19:10 < rxr> 99% are ISOs ...
19:10 < rxr> or better over 99% ...
19:10 < rxr> + ftp traffic I do not analize ...
19:11 < rxr> 871 builds total, 870 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:11 < rxr> 163 builds total, 163 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:12 < rxr> this is install + system for 2.0.1 desktop
19:12 < th> wow
19:12 < blindy> nice
19:12 < th> some stuff failed on my last build
19:12 < th> mozilla / evolution / galeon  for example
19:14 < vauge> OMG this sourced based install is easy compaired to the alternatives. wow
19:16 < rxr> vauge: ;-) Could you describe your joy in more details? ;-)
19:17 < vauge> lol
19:17 < vauge> well - so far...
19:18 < vauge> pulling a mininal for x86 and setting each stage actually says what it is or will be doing. nice
19:19 < vauge> recently pulling my hair out with sorcerer and gentoo
19:19 * vauge as though I actually have hair
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19:24 < rxr> vauge: nice to hear
19:24 < vauge> there are a few things I would suggest/change... but so far I like
19:25 < th> rxr: can you confirm that you fixed something to make mozilla and evolution compile?
19:25 < th> else i'm doning something wrong
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19:32 < rxr> th: nope - I did not fixed s.th. for them - they compiled here.
19:32 < rxr> th: they also did compile in my reference build started yesterday 
19:41 < vauge> :( maybe I spoke too soon
19:42 < vauge> not seeing my nic
19:48 < th> rxr: very strange. lemme see the log
19:49 < th> rxr: jsdtoa.o some javascripy stuff deep inside mozilla build.
19:50 < th> rxr: evolution failed due to some missing mozilla-nss
19:50 < th> rxr: interested in mozilla-err-log?
19:54 < rxr> oehm - not really - I hate mozilla
19:54 < rxr> what CPU are you optimizing for?
19:55 < fake> argh
19:57 < rxr> argh what?
19:57 < th> rxr: pentium4
19:58 < fake> sasl2 -_-
19:59 < fake> postfix + sasl2 + mysql = angst
20:00 < vauge> hrmm... it's not seeing eth0
20:02 < blindy> th: p4 opt is b0rken with mozilla
20:02 < blindy> th: always has been
20:03 < blindy> #define always as long as I can remember
20:04 < blindy> btw. have I already said that I hate the matroska video format?
20:04 < blindy> s/video/container/
20:07 < th> blindy: ok thanks
20:07 < rxr> damn
20:07 < rxr> th: ah - this is IIR a GCC bug
20:07 < th> rxr: so i'm just doing it the wrong way, trying to opt on p4
20:08 * rxr damn I wonder why the packages takes ages to compile - when why ibook is spinning at 400Mhz due to power saving ...
20:08 < rxr> th: please paste the end of you log
20:08 < blindy> hehe
20:08 < rxr> th: you use gcc3 or gcc33 ?
20:08 < th> rxr: all i can tell you is the revision
20:09 < cchamilt> rxr:Does rockplug do firmware loads?
20:10 < th> rxr: ok i can paste some lines now
20:10 < rxr> cchamilt: only if you script it to do so
20:11 < rxr> th: nah - I mean which default compiler did you select in the Config
20:11 < cchamilt> so it doesnt do hotplug's firmware stuff yet?
20:12 < th> rxr: i did not specify it.
20:12 < rxr> I do not know if hotplug has firmware stuff now - but it should be trival to add
20:12 < rxr> th: ah - so you used gcc3 ...
20:12 < cchamilt> it does, it is necessary for most new wireless cards and some odd 'smart' ball boards.
20:13 < tcr> vauge, no big thingy. Look whether the driver of your nic is compiled in the kernel or whether there's a module of it laying around. 
20:17 < cchamilt> rxr: see etc/hotplug/firmware.agent in hotplug though I cant follow it.  We will need it shortly when new drivers starts getting added to 26 again.
20:18 < rxr> cchamilt: I have not taken a look - but it will be trival
20:18 < rxr> altought rock plug will be rewritten again, too ...
20:20 < cchamilt> that is one thing that always bothers me about rock's development.  it tends to have the philosophy of writing something from scratch instead of understanding and fixing what crap exists to our needs.
20:21 < cchamilt> not saying rockplug is bad, it tends to work great for most things, just duplicate effort i feel
20:21 < fake> As of cyrus-sasl-2.1.17. the mysql plugin is part of a generic sql 
20:21 < fake>  plugin. The Names for the parameters have changed. Read the options.html 
20:21 < fake>  that came with the cyrus-sasl-2.1.17 source in doc/. 
20:21 < fake> *shakes head*
20:21 < th> is there any way to replace a running init by another process? (eg. another init in another root)
20:22 < blindy> no
20:22 < laga__> is there any way to run one or more intiscripts paralell?
20:22 < blindy> no again
20:23 < laga__> ok, at least one should work :)
20:23 < blindy> one does, but not two at the same time
20:23 < blindy> except when running them from one script using &
20:23 < netrunner> darix: coud you try to get an openssh.rpm from them?
20:23 < netrunner> re btw :)
20:23 < daja77> hi netrunner 
20:24 * netrunner having a weird problem with noteedit/tse3 and the sequencer.
20:24 < netrunner> they both try to open /dev/sequencer (oss) but I have asa (/dev/snd/seq) which is correcty found by timidity++ and kmid.
20:25 < netrunner> anybody an idea what is wrong there?
20:25 < laga__> err, building rock takes ages because my notebook is slowing down for some reason..
20:25 < daja77> i only know the guy to blame
20:25 < tcr> th, yes if you get to manage to start a new kernel (inside vmware for instance)
20:25 < laga__> netrunner, is there no oss emulation?
20:25 < netrunner> laga__: speedstep? no dma?
20:26 < netrunner> laga__: there is one but not default in rock. remind me when I am at home so I can send a patch ;)
20:26 < cchamilt> i am gone again
20:26 < th> tcr: i don't think you can replace the running init by that, can you?
20:26 < netrunner> daja77: whom?
20:28 < daja77> dr.anders from tu-chemnitz, the author ^^
20:28 < laga__> hmm, dma is on. i don't get that whole "cpu slows down if it wants"thing on linux. anyway, proc says the cpu isn't throttling :)
20:28 < netrunner> daja77: it is not the faullt of noteedit. I even tested the tse3 binary at home it works and opens /dev/snd/seq correctly
20:29 < netrunner> laga__: use 2.6
20:29 < laga__> i'm using 2.6.3 :)
20:29 < netrunner> daja77: but he might know what lilbrary is to blame there.
20:29 < laga__> btw, the source tree is on a nfs share (100mbit), maybe that's the reason :)
20:29 < netrunner> laga__: killall cpufreqd ?
20:30 < laga__> cool. after 2 hours of building, the fans starts spinning. and i thougt that something was wrong :)
20:30 < tcr> th, No, but you can that way let a new init run in another root, as you specified in your question
20:30 < netrunner> laga__: ugh don't do that ;) I did so in my beginning with rock
20:31 < netrunner> laga__: there occurs a loooot of r/w during compile. that does not scale. I even use tempfs because my hdds slow the build down :)
20:31 < laga__> yes, but i did a full installation and it ate up the whole space on my linux partition :)
20:31 < laga__> i'm a pupil, i have looots of time :)
20:31 < netrunner> laga__: the bonus of a package manager is that you can uninstall packages :)
20:31 < laga__> netrunner, you're right. but i'm a little bit lazy, too :)
20:32 < netrunner> laga__: if you have enough memory use at least tempfs, then you only need to pull the source and push the finished stuff through net
20:33 < laga__> hmm, ok. 512mb should do the job
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20:34 < netrunner> laga__: not enough for the big packages like kde and mozilla. you also need a bit of memory for the programs themselves :) 800MB is default and works fine here I tried 400 and it was not enough
20:34 < th> tcr_: i wanted to REPLACE the running init
20:34 < th> tcr_: not starting a new one inside that root
20:34 < laga__> netrunner, i have some swap, too :)
20:34 < laga__> if i dont have enough ram, slows this the building down or breaks uit?
20:35 < netrunner> laga__: the package builds fail with a "no diskspace" message. (if you use tempfs with a too small  memory)
20:36 < laga__> does the swap space add to the memory?
20:36 < laga__> ( 512 + 450..)
20:37 < netrunner> well it does not make much sense to first push everything from disk to ram so that everything from ram goes to disk :)
20:38 < laga__> should be faster than 100mbit lan :)
20:38 < laga__> i'll have a try
20:38 < netrunner> but even 500MB tempfs should be to small.
20:38 < netrunner> and .. you cannot swap the kernel :)
20:40 < laga__> ok ok, i'll disable tmpfs and buy some more memory tomorrow..(how much does 512 mb sodimm cost? :))
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20:46 < tcr> th: ok... Shouldn't be hard to hack that up, though. Just exec to some other proc
20:49 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
21:09 * blindy gone
21:17 -!- brain^away [nobody@p50816AA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
21:27 -!- vauge [~Vauge@c-24-1-58-231.client.comcast.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:31 < A-Tui> there is any way to preserve the src.$package dir after a built without errors?
21:34 < daja77> toggle that option in scripts/Config
21:35 < A-Tui> i only find option to don't clean when errors
21:40 < laga__> btw, is this normal that there are those ugly /dev/ide/very/long/path/to/my/disk/drive paths in /dev? it is possible to use something other than devfs?
21:41 < daja77> /dev/discs/disc0
21:41 < rxr> laga__: those very long pathes are very cool, readable stable, ...
21:41 < daja77> yep
21:41 < rxr> you can enable compatibility mode in devfsd.conf
21:42 < rxr> but I would not do this since the long names are just great!
21:42 < tcr> laga__, use /dev/disc/disc0/part1 which looks very nice imho
21:42 < daja77> when you got used to it yes
21:42 < tcr> /dev/discs/* actually
21:43 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch9.html
21:43 < rxr> gotta go now - cu later
21:44 < laga__> compatibility mode sounds nice, can i then use both short (/dev/hdc) and long (/dev/discs..) format?
21:44 < laga__> cu!
21:44 < netrunner> *lol* "nice. I've removed the remote exploitable security hole, ..."
21:45 < tcr> laga__, yes
21:45 < laga__> btw, kde 3.2 rocks hard. it's sooo fast :)
21:45 < tcr> netrunner, what security hole?
21:45 < netrunner> dunno, quote from rl-devel
21:46 < laga__> tcr, cool. i'll try it later. for sure, the long paths are more human readable, but i felt a little bit lost without my /dev/hda :)
21:48 < rxr> laga__: hit <TAB> a few times
21:48 < rxr> but now i'm off
21:48 < darix> netrunner: what suse version?
21:49 < laga__> "lost" as in "wtf am i doing wrong" :)
21:49 < netrunner> darix: 6.0
21:50 < darix> netrunner: ugh
21:50 < darix> netrunner: i can try it ... BUT you should really consider updating it.
21:50 < darix> netrunner: what ssh version? i guess all i can get will be 1.x 
21:50 < darix> 2.x or 3.x should need upgrade of some dependencies
21:51 < tcr> laga__, Heh.. believe me you will forget the old names once your accustomed to the new ones :) I think I were pretty lost on a non devfs system, too 
21:51 < laga__> hehe :)
21:52 * daja77 too
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22:04 < darix> i wonder how long it will take making rocklinux build system compatible to plain udev :)
22:04 < laga__> how do the devicenames their look? :)
22:05 < darix> laga__: hmm mostly customizable
22:05 < darix> hmm i have to google for the default ones.
22:05 < laga__> cool.
22:05 < laga__> /dev/1337.. :)
22:06 < daja77> udev is crap anyway
22:06 < laga__> dunno.
22:16 * A-Tui is away: _.oO(zZzZzZzZzZ)
22:28 < laga__> gn8.
22:34 < rolla> anyone seen holyoli?
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22:59 < batok> is anybody using sendmail with Rock?
22:59 < batok> instead of exim ?
23:03 < darix> batok: nobody wants sendmail.
23:04 < batok> why?
23:04 < tfing> bad security history, hard to configure
23:05 < batok> that's true, but I know nothing about exim.... 
23:05 < tfing> try postfix
23:06 < batok> ok, I am going to download it
23:13 < rolla> darix: that is a lie
23:14 < rolla> I want sendmail
23:14 < darix> rolla: you are US
23:14 < darix> you are supposed to be weird.
23:14 < rolla> thanks
23:14 < darix> :p
23:14 * daja77 kicks darix 
23:14 < rolla> I have tried qmail and postfix and I don't like either of them
23:14 < rolla> I use sendmail with no issues
23:14 < darix> rolla: i tried sendmail and wanted to change the config.
23:14 < darix> i started with sendmail.cf
23:14 < darix> :p
23:15 < darix> guess how shocked i was :p
23:15 < batok> rolla can you send me your sendmail.mc ?
23:15 < rolla> darix: it is just lie using vi you have no clue at first and the you rtfm and everything is fine
23:15 < rolla> batok what are you trying to do?
23:15 < darix> rolla: ever tried to edit sendmail.cf directly?
23:15 < batok> just to set up a simple server 
23:16 < rolla> darix: yes have been since 1995 ;)
23:16 < darix> postfix config is just a slight walk through a park against sendmail.cf cryptics :p
23:16 < rolla> darix: postfix is a waste to me 
23:16 < rolla> nothing seems simple in it
23:16 < rolla> qmail is so bad I don't even want to talk about it.
23:17 < rolla> batok: do you have the newest version loaded.
23:17 < batok> 8.12.10
23:18 < rolla> then sendmail.cf should work out of the box is there anything speical you need?
23:19 < batok> should I have to edit sendmail.mc to tell sendmail my domain name ?
23:19 < th> can anyone tell me something about /dev/initctl?
23:20 < rolla> batok: yes and no
23:20 < rolla> do you have a email I can send you a howto?
23:20 < batok> batok@smartics.biz
23:29 < netrunner> hm, dirty install_wrapper trick ... could be what is needed for openafs
23:31 < netrunner>  .o( these nicks ... who is sirkull? )
23:32 < darix> netrunner: it will be really hard to find rpms for this old suse boxes
23:33 < netrunner> darix: np, I thought you have the cds on your desk :) ... could be the third rock-server at work :)
23:34 < darix> netrunner: not really. i could send you 9.0 rpms. but i doubt it would be helpfull.
23:34 < netrunner> but the first one that is that important. it carries the "secret" web proxy for the it staff, so we do not have to go through the official content-filtered and logged one
23:35 < netrunner> darix: I found downto 7.3 on www.pmfind.net 
23:36 < darix> netrunner: thats the latest officially supported
23:36 < darix> maybe 7.2
23:38 < netrunner> ok, I'll move to rock :)
23:38 < netrunner> has anybody tested the minimal server?
23:41 < netrunner> hm, it's unselectable :)
23:44 < darix> netrunner: suse 9.0 server works fine for me. =)
23:45 < daja77> suse advocacy sucks
23:45 < netrunner> thau shalt not commit that you use $otherdist in #rocklinux
23:46 < daja77> that's not the problem, but i read this at least the third time this day, and i have to admit it is not really interesting to me
23:47 < darix> netrunner: i even have a little patch in rocklinux :p
23:47 * th acks daja77 
23:47 < darix> daja77: it wasnt me. ;p
23:47 < daja77> of course it was you
23:47 < darix> daja77: hmm o.O
23:48 < darix> daja77: im sure i said something like that the first time today. and helping other users with problems even with suse problems doesnt count. :p
23:48 < daja77> this is no suse support chan ...
23:50 < darix> daja77: do you know if it is possible to configure point-to-point links on eth devices with rocknet? :)
23:50 < daja77> nope i don't know, cos i haven't had a deeper look at rocknet
23:51 < netrunner> darix: it is possible, take a deeper look at the handbook.
23:51 < darix> netrunner: i asked rxr and he said he isnt sure if it works. :)
23:51 < netrunner> this ***** submaster argls cough
23:52 < netrunner> darix: go ahead and test
23:52 < darix> netrunner: thats why i sent my patch directly to clifford at ltag ;)
23:56 < darix> daja77: who was on ltag from the team?
23:57 < daja77> rxr, SMP, clifford, netrunner and me
23:58 < darix> hmm who is the mips maintainer?
23:58 < daja77> oh i forgot fake
23:58 < daja77> sorry
23:59 < darix> lol so fake == mips?
23:59 < darix> have to sort the names to the faces he saw :)
23:59 < daja77> yep
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