--- Log opened Mon Mar 22 00:00:08 2004
--- Day changed Mon Mar 22 2004
00:00 < tfing> netrunner: look at base/openssh.conf
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00:06 < netrunner> tfing: ah, you're right. it's a bit ago :)
00:09 < tfing> hmm, i had forgotten initial ramdisk support in the kernel, that's why it was not working ...
00:10 < netrunner> tfing: I must admit that I have never seen a bootsplash logo here. If you find out why, I'll buy you a beer :)
00:11 < netrunner> n8
00:11 < tfing> it works here :)
00:11 < tfing> i'll make a rocklinux theme
00:12 < daja77> cool
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01:53 < rxr> cu
01:53 < cchamilt> rxr: sdl is still -pthread -pthread -pthread on my new generic build...
01:54 < cchamilt> I think I should try switch sendmail and mutt over to sasl2 so we can drop sasl...
01:55 < cchamilt> most distros did that a long time ago.
01:55 < cchamilt> n8
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09:32 < blindy> away
09:32 < blindy> moin
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09:36 < alex_i> Hello
09:39 < alex_i> How well are packages beyond the base system are supported?
09:40 < SMP> depends
09:49 < alex_i> Are there good tools to roll my own one? Like in Debian/Gentoo?
09:49 < SMP> that question doesn't make too much sense ... you chose a path/name for the package, fill in the mandatory fieds of the description and you're done
09:50 < SMP> of course if the package needs to be patched or needs special parameters or instructions to build, then you will have to provide these additionally
09:52 < alex_i> md5? Configuration?
10:15 < alex_i> lemme explain a bit...
10:33 < alex_i> Is it possible to create a source package that would have building instructions in it?
10:37 < alex_i> Could I put a post/pre install scripts in the package?
10:38 < alex_i> Is there a configuration tool, like debconf (well, I can live without that)
10:39 < alex_i> Last time I tried ROCK, I found that .gem packages don't track dependencies.
10:41 < alex_i> s/track/store/
10:42 < SMP> you can provide a script to be run post-install, but its execution is not guaranteed
10:51 < SMP> we have a config tool, called stone, and a frontend to the package manager, called gasgui
11:00 < rxr> re
11:13 < SMP> GEMs do store build-dependencies, but it is unfeasible to provide complete and correct runtime-dependencies
11:19 < alex_i> Why not?
11:21 < alex_i> I think that Debian does that, right?
11:21 < alex_i> don't get me wrong---I don't wanna use Debian, but I just think that it's true about managing deps
11:22 < rxr> alex_i: they manuallly hardcode them - and thus they are often more then a bit imperfect
11:22 < SMP> they can only be determined by a human, and we cannot do that for all possible selections of packages
11:22 < rxr> w/ ROCK you get 100% perfect build-time dependencies - and can filter the ones that are only build-time (bash, awk,sed, binutils, gcc) out and have run-time dependencies in the quality of debian
11:22 < alex_i> ok
11:22 < blindy> anyone here who can advise me on what to wear when teaching Linux to MCSEs?
11:22 < rxr> those build-time dependencies in ROCK are automatically deteminded during the build in the sandbox ... - no hardcoding
11:22 < alex_i> Why such big requirements to hardware?
11:22 < alex_i> I want to build ROCK on my fast machine for my ``slow'' machine (p200)
11:22 < alex_i> 80 ram
11:22 < SMP> it runs fine on low hardware if you don't over-optimize the build
11:23 < alex_i> The last question: why did not you choose Gentoo?