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--- Log opened Mon Mar 22 00:00:08 2004 --- Day changed Mon Mar 22 2004 00:00 < tfing> netrunner: look at base/openssh.conf 00:04 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-062.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:06 < netrunner> tfing: ah, you're right. it's a bit ago :) 00:09 < tfing> hmm, i had forgotten initial ramdisk support in the kernel, that's why it was not working ... 00:10 < netrunner> tfing: I must admit that I have never seen a bootsplash logo here. If you find out why, I'll buy you a beer :) 00:11 < netrunner> n8 00:11 < tfing> it works here :) 00:11 < tfing> i'll make a rocklinux theme 00:12 < daja77> cool 00:23 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-024.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:30 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:38 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-045.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:48 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-018.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:48 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 01:01 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-36.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 01:10 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-34.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:10 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 01:28 -!- shiny [~vega@p508115D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 01:36 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux 01:53 < rxr> cu 01:53 < cchamilt> rxr: sdl is still -pthread -pthread -pthread on my new generic build... 01:54 < cchamilt> I think I should try switch sendmail and mutt over to sasl2 so we can drop sasl... 01:55 < cchamilt> most distros did that a long time ago. 01:55 < cchamilt> n8 03:05 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FBB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:05 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F8E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:05 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:10 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:26 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508024D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:52 -!- mistik1_ [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:52 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:59 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: cytrinox` 07:00 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 07:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox` 07:11 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-152.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:25 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:27 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:30 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-062.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:32 < blindy> away 09:32 < blindy> moin 09:36 -!- alex_i [~alex@wbar2.sea1-4-5-074-244.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:36 < alex_i> Hello 09:39 < alex_i> How well are packages beyond the base system are supported? 09:40 < SMP> depends 09:49 < alex_i> Are there good tools to roll my own one? Like in Debian/Gentoo? 09:49 < SMP> that question doesn't make too much sense ... you chose a path/name for the package, fill in the mandatory fieds of the description and you're done 09:50 < SMP> of course if the package needs to be patched or needs special parameters or instructions to build, then you will have to provide these additionally 09:52 < alex_i> md5? Configuration? 10:15 < alex_i> lemme explain a bit... 10:33 < alex_i> Is it possible to create a source package that would have building instructions in it? 10:37 < alex_i> Could I put a post/pre install scripts in the package? 10:38 < alex_i> Is there a configuration tool, like debconf (well, I can live without that) 10:39 < alex_i> Last time I tried ROCK, I found that .gem packages don't track dependencies. 10:41 < alex_i> s/track/store/ 10:42 < SMP> you can provide a script to be run post-install, but its execution is not guaranteed 10:51 < SMP> we have a config tool, called stone, and a frontend to the package manager, called gasgui 11:00 < rxr> re 11:13 < SMP> GEMs do store build-dependencies, but it is unfeasible to provide complete and correct runtime-dependencies 11:19 < alex_i> Why not? 11:21 < alex_i> I think that Debian does that, right? 11:21 < alex_i> don't get me wrong---I don't wanna use Debian, but I just think that it's true about managing deps 11:22 < rxr> alex_i: they manuallly hardcode them - and thus they are often more then a bit imperfect 11:22 < SMP> they can only be determined by a human, and we cannot do that for all possible selections of packages 11:22 < rxr> w/ ROCK you get 100% perfect build-time dependencies - and can filter the ones that are only build-time (bash, awk,sed, binutils, gcc) out and have run-time dependencies in the quality of debian 11:22 < alex_i> ok 11:22 < blindy> anyone here who can advise me on what to wear when teaching Linux to MCSEs? 11:22 < rxr> those build-time dependencies in ROCK are automatically deteminded during the build in the sandbox ... - no hardcoding 11:22 < alex_i> Why such big requirements to hardware? 11:22 < alex_i> I want to build ROCK on my fast machine for my ``slow'' machine (p200) 11:22 < alex_i> 80 ram 11:22 < SMP> it runs fine on low hardware if you don't over-optimize the build 11:23 < alex_i> The last question: why did not you choose Gentoo?