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--- Log opened Sam Mär 27 00:00:52 2004 00:10 ::: kasc_!~kasc@dsl-213-023-060-142.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 00:11 ::: HarryH!~harry@line-A-19.dynamic-athome.inode.at has joined: #rocklinux 00:16 ::: HarryH!~harry@line-A-19.dynamic-athome.inode.at has left #rocklinux: 00:22 ::: alex_i!~alex_i@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has quit: "leaving" 00:25 ::: cap!~cap@p213.54.67.202.tisdip.tiscali.de has joined: #rocklinux 00:25 ::: kasc!~kasc@dsl-082-082-219-015.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 00:25 ::: kasc_ is now known as kasc 00:26 ::: cap!~cap@p213.54.67.202.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Client Quit 00:33 < mnemoc> where .profile is better than .bashrc (sourced from .profile) ? 00:34 < mnemoc> currently i only use it (.profile) to standarize TERMs 00:39 ::: alex_i!~lex@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has joined: #rocklinux 00:52 ::: tybalt89!rick@adsl-63-198-216-176.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net has joined: #rocklinux 00:58 < alex_i> Looks like now I can build ROCK even without DevFS. 00:59 < mnemoc> alex_i: yep 01:00 * alex_i is happy 01:00 < alex_i> :) 01:00 ::: tfing_!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-169.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 01:01 < alex_i> I awaited that for a long time 01:03 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.175.64.157 has quit: Connection timed out 01:04 < mnemoc> =) 01:05 ::: tybalt89!rick@adsl-63-198-216-176.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net has left #rocklinux: 01:06 < cchamilt_> rehi 01:07 < cchamilt_> hmm, how did i become _'d 01:07 < cchamilt_> mnemoc:? 01:07 < mnemoc> cchamilt? 01:08 < cchamilt_> What is the best way to make a set of files go to bit bucket using flist? 01:08 < cchamilt_> I want to make a generic do not install *.la for rock. 01:09 ::: tfing!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-39.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:09 ::: tfing_ is now known as tfing 01:09 < mnemoc> add a flistdel rule to your target 01:09 < cchamilt_> Well I want to patch sdl first. 01:10 < cchamilt_> So flistdel actually removes files from build root? 01:10 < mnemoc> nope, it ignore them when packaging 01:10 < cchamilt_> not good enough. 01:11 < cchamilt_> I have diagnosed that .la's are a virus in the build system. 01:11 < mnemoc> you can add a 'remover function' hooked at the end of build-pkg 01:11 < mnemoc> using your target's parse-config 01:13 < cchamilt_> Yeah, but wouldnt it be easier to do something like an install wrapper transform that just makes all .la files into /dev/null or something? 01:14 < mnemoc> you can move them to one known directory 01:14 < mnemoc> but cp /lib/foo.la /dev/null doesn't work :) 01:15 < cchamilt_> They are a broken helper for building, not much point keeping them around if they wont be used in building. 01:15 < cchamilt_> redhat religiously removes them, I think I see why. 01:15 < mnemoc> flistdel, who care about what's on builddir? ;) 01:16 < mnemoc> gotta go, bbl (30min) 01:16 < cchamilt_> They do a install wrapper delete transform at the end of their .spec files. 01:16 < cchamilt_> Because the .la's are corrupt and screw up builds. 01:16 < cchamilt_> That is exactly why I want them removed. 01:16 < cchamilt_> oh well, cya. 01:22 < cchamilt_> I think postflist_static_lib should remove .la's. 01:39 < mnemoc> re 01:41 < mnemoc> cchamilt_: i had no idea what .la were :) if it's how you said of course they should be removed 01:43 < cchamilt_> It is just that libtool is what generates and uses them, but libtool can easily screw up making them and libtool takes their data on blind faith. All while libtool can also not use them and still find linking info for the library. 01:43 < cchamilt_> So they seem dangerous and pointless. 01:47 < mnemoc> can you post to the ML to produce some discussion 01:49 < cchamilt_> I haven't done enough testing to do more than rant at this stage. I need to make a build without them to prove that is ok to remove them. 01:54 < mnemoc> what are you waiting for? :p 01:57 < cchamilt_> Just need a good way to do it cleanly. 02:01 < mnemoc> if you are write i think they should be removed by Build-Pkg while processing flist 02:01 < mnemoc> right* 02:10 < cchamilt_> something like that, 'if' I am right. I am hoping that I can make something for sdl, and drop it in Build-Pkg and make it systemwide. 02:11 < mnemoc> you can test it doing it systemwide on your local tree, if fails you revert :) 02:12 < cchamilt_> yeah, the question is how best to write it. 02:15 < mnemoc> on postflist you have a finished $builddir/flist.txt, you can grep it and rm, and then grep -v to regenerate it without .la 02:15 < mnemoc> it's quite easy 02:22 < cchamilt_> Yeah, ok. 02:53 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-181.arcor-ip.net has quit: "Client exiting" 02:58 < cchamilt_> Testing... 03:03 < mnemoc> cchamilt_: i am stood here, i am stand here, i am standing here 03:05 ::: drunky!~blindcode@pD958FF8C.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 03:05 ::: blindy!~blindcode@pD958FF7D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Nick collision from services. 03:05 ::: drunky is now known as blindy 03:05 < cchamilt_> i am standing here 03:06 < cchamilt_> looks like it works, hmm. I have only about 6 broken packages in generic left. Maybe I should send a diff. 03:07 < mnemoc> yep 04:06 ::: netrunne1!~andreas@p508032DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 04:06 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 04:06 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 04:06 Users #rocklinux: 04:06 [ _bg_ ] [ cytrinox`] [ hannes_] [ mistik1 ] [ rockbot ] [ tfing] 04:06 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ iceblox] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 04:06 [ alex_i ] [ darix ] [ ija ] [ netcrow ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 04:06 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ k3t__ ] [ netrunne1] [ SMP ] [ true ] 04:06 [ cchamilt_] [ fake ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] 04:06 [ clifford ] [ Freak ] [ laga__ ] [ owl ] [ StefanG_] 04:06 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 34 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 04:06 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 04:06 ::: [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 04:06 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 04:15 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p50802A28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 04:24 ::: rockbot!~piespy@p50802A28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:34 ::: rockbot!~piespy@p508032DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 05:44 ::: togg!~togg@pD9E5BAB6.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 05:48 ::: togg!~togg@pD9ED32E4.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 06:16 ::: k3t__!k3t@pD9E8DFF8.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 06:17 ::: k3t__!k3t@pD9E8F514.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 06:33 < SMP> rockbot: please identify your purpose and a person responsible for your operation 08:41 < cchamilt_> I think it is netrunner's. 08:41 < cchamilt_> Is anybody else having blender fail 'cause it cant find GLU in X11? 08:42 < cchamilt_> I think rock should maybe force some lib dir's into LDs path. 08:43 < cchamilt_> Not finding things in /lib or even /usr/X11/lib is goofy. 08:59 ::: Franckladit!~glop@franckv6.paillaret.info has joined: #rocklinux 08:59 ::: Franckladit!~glop@franckv6.paillaret.info has left #rocklinux: 09:11 < blindy> moin 09:42 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAABD1.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 09:45 < netrunne1> moin , 2 09:45 ::: You're now known as netrunner 09:46 < netrunner> SMP: you expect quite a bit of intelligence from this bot ;) https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html 09:53 < tcr> moin all 09:55 < netrunner> moin tcr 09:58 < tcr> moin netrunner, how's the bot evaluating the social network between persons? 09:59 < tcr> Looking how much person A talks to person B by looking how often person A uses the name of person B? 10:00 < tcr> Maybe even by computing the average ratio 10:23 < alex_i> why should I be necessarily be root in order to build ROCK? 10:23 < alex_i> What about nonpriviledged build? 10:26 < daja77> are not implemented atm 10:26 < tcr> It isn't all that easy. Just think of file ownership 10:27 < alex_i> i am thinkning now 10:27 < alex_i> What the problem with that? 10:28 < alex_i> You mean some system files? 10:28 < tcr> For example 10:28 < tcr> also you can't change ownership of files unless you're root 10:29 < alex_i> On the filesystems with quotas only 10:29 < tcr> Eh? 10:29 < alex_i> I said, I can, but not always, though 10:30 < alex_i> That's the only reason? 10:31 < alex_i> Why not to have the build be unpriviledged and only in the end to change the ownerships? 10:31 < alex_i> Why not? 10:31 < tcr> How can you determine what ownership what files have to get? 10:31 < tcr> args, screwed up that sentence: 10:32 < tcr> How can you determine what files have to get what ownership? 10:32 < daja77> the main reason was not to screw the build scripts before releasing 2.0 10:33 < alex_i> I see. That make much more sense (I was speaking about daja's) 10:34 < alex_i> tcr: it's possible 10:34 < tcr> Don't put the problem in a light that makes it seem to be easily-solvable. It clearly needs a lot of thought I haven't yet invested into it. 10:34 < tcr> I'm not saying it's impossible though. :) 10:35 < alex_i> I did not say the word "easy" 10:36 < tcr> alex_i, I'd like to hear how you think the ownership problem to be solvable :) (Really, I think it isn't the only problem, it's just what came to mind at first) 10:38 < tcr> I doubt that all software's build system explitely specify what ownership their files should get 10:40 ::: togg!~togg@pD9ED32E4.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 10:41 < tcr> Hmm. Maybe this would do it: Assume you build ROCK with the user `foo' with uid `1000'. After the build, it were possible to chown all files with uid == 1000 to root 10:42 < tcr> Then again that would probably result in that all files are chowned to root, because a normal users may by default not change ownership of a file so that all files end up being owned by user `foo' 10:43 < alex_i> What about table? 10:43 < tcr> Really, the problem doesn't even lay within ROCK. Most software advocates to run make install as root for whatever reason 10:43 < alex_i> tcr: I have np running root 10:43 < tcr> So if you deliberately run make install as non-root you're breaking installation instructions of software 10:44 < alex_i> Actually, I built another systmem mostly as root 10:47 < blindy> one of the problems is the chroot, mounting and crossmounting of filesystems and directories 10:47 < tcr> alex_i, most things are build under a chroot anyway. While a chroot isn't unbreakable, it should at least be a barriere for malicious software builds (e.g. from compromised software) 10:47 < alex_i> When do I get the patches? 10:48 < alex_i> tcr: But, it is compromisable still. But I would prefer chroot to nothing 10:49 ::: togg!~togg@pD9ED32E4.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 10:49 < alex_i> In the rockbook, it is only said about getting sources from developers, not getting patches from you... 10:50 < tcr> alex_i, I consider it extremely rare that such a malicious software build has been written aware of the case when the software is built under a chroot 10:50 < alex_i> But we know that patches are needed sometimes 10:50 < alex_i> It makes sense 10:50 < tcr> How do you mean getting patches? 10:50 < alex_i> Anyway, there's nothing absolutely unbreakable 10:51 < alex_i> Downloading them 10:51 < alex_i> Some packages may need ROCK developers to patch them 10:51 < blindy> a lot do, actualy 10:52 < tcr> Yes. There was once policy that this is considered bad, and everything should be send upstream. This policy slowly vanished over the time though 10:52 < alex_i> But, the Download script, launched the way described in the book, downloads only package sources 10:52 < alex_i> What policy? 10:52 < tcr> alex_i, patches are stored in package/$repo/$pkg/ as *.patch's 10:53 < alex_i> Already? huh 10:54 < alex_i> This can be mentioned in the book, btw 10:54 < alex_i> In the obvious way... 10:55 < tcr> What page are you referring to? 10:55 < alex_i> I am afraid, I could not say what exactly you mean. 10:57 < cytrinox`> moin 11:00 < tcr> alex_i, what page of the book did you refer to? 11:00 < tcr> What page should be modified in your opinion 11:01 < _bg_> just a note on the "building as !root": there is fake root for/from debian that pretends to be root for broken installers. and rpm also supports building as not root. 11:01 < _bg_> both have a filelist in their package format that gives the right permissions 11:01 < alex_i> The rock handbook 11:02 < tcr> alex_i, yeah, but what part of the rock handbook? The book is quite big :) 11:02 < alex_i> You may look on NetBSD too 11:02 < _bg_> rpm also has a %defattr(-,root,root,0755) line that lists the default permissions: - for files: don't change, user root, group root, and use 0755 for new/nonexisting directories 11:02 < alex_i> I think, I meant, that thing is absent 11:02 < alex_i> ....in the book 11:04 < alex_i> Yeah... table 11:04 < alex_i> How much disk space is for minimal? 11:04 < tcr> _bg_, so they burden up the pkg maintainer? Possibly, true. 11:06 ::: mnemoc!~amery@200.75.27.45 has quit: Remote closed the connection 11:06 < tcr> Maybe the only possibility that guarantees to work in all cases (except for the case when the human makes a mistake) 11:06 ::: mnemoc!~amery@200.75.27.45 has joined: #rocklinux 11:06 < tcr> moin mnemoc 11:07 < tcr> alex_i, anyway best is you tell rxr, he's the maintainer of the handbook 11:09 < alex_i> k 11:13 < SMP> alex_i: minimal is less than 600 MB 11:14 < alex_i> That is space for sources+for build 11:18 < SMP> it's the size of the build output. you need some more space for the GEMs and the build of the respective package 11:19 < SMP> don't know how much for the required sources - probably around 200 MB 11:22 < alex_i> k 11:24 < _bg_> trc: well, i would not call it burden the pkg maintainer. 11:25 < _bg_> you should have a look at the files the pkg wants to install anyway and as all files are owned by root normaly, you don't have to take any special actions 11:25 < _bg_> and files with sid/gid bits should not be packed blindly 11:26 < alex_i> It's in the boo 11:26 < _bg_> and if you want to it simple you can always do /bin/* (or even: find $RPM_BUILD_DIR -t file) 11:27 < alex_i> In the ch19 11:27 < _bg_> for the file list (you will not make it through my review, if i were maintainer with such a line but you could) 11:27 < _bg_> s/)$/ try)/ 11:29 < alex_i> tcr: Not what I said in that ch, though 11:35 < tcr> _bg_: Agreed. 11:46 ::: mnemoc!~amery@200.75.27.45 has quit: Remote closed the connection 11:47 ::: mnemoc!~amery@200.75.27.45 has joined: #rocklinux 12:14 ::: alex_i!~lex@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has quit: "Lost terminal" 12:21 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 12:23 * netrunner building hppa kernel for the 20th time, still some modules failing, subsequently adding them as disabled :/ 12:29 ::: alex_i!~alex_i@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has joined: #rocklinux 12:43 < daja77> netrunner: my build failed building 0-gcc3 ... 12:47 ::: bluefire!bluefire@p508177A6.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 12:49 ::: laga__!laga@p508AE49D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 13:18 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAABD1.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "Leaving" 13:21 < cchamilt_> HEY WOW 13:21 < cchamilt_> Just saw something on CNN, Cuba is defending it's human rights record. The diplomat brought up a presentation on Windows. 13:22 < cchamilt_> It is still illegal for Microsoft to sell to Cuba... 13:22 < cchamilt_> How did they get the copy? 13:23 < mnemoc> before the revolution :p 13:23 < cchamilt_> I wonder if someone could get someone in trouble for this. 13:24 < cchamilt_> Windows61? 13:27 < alex_i> Did got it in the embassy outside ;) 13:32 < cchamilt_> OK, googling I see that there are 'partnership' loop holes that allow exporting of technology. So why is it illegal for any US company if the big ones can get around it? 13:33 < cchamilt_> Why is SCO beating this antiUS crap so hard if it is BS? 13:35 < mnemoc> SCO likes BS 13:35 < cchamilt_> Basically Microsoft lets Cuba pirate their software so they can keep the market, just in case and are not breaking the law. 13:36 < cchamilt_> Can we say Linux was 'pirated' by Cuba? 13:36 < daja77> nope 13:37 < cchamilt_> Well, I guess the license doesn't restrict it specifically. 13:37 < cchamilt_> As long as there is no proof they downloaded it from US mirrors it is probably OK. 13:37 < daja77> yep and it is easy to find non us mirrors 13:38 < cchamilt_> The US commerce dept needs a clue. 13:38 < cchamilt_> Oh well, I'll stop ranting. 13:38 < daja77> why :) 13:39 < cchamilt_> Jocelyn is complaining about my complaining. 13:39 < daja77> rofl 13:39 < daja77> women are like that sometimes 13:39 < mnemoc> that's what wife are for 13:39 < daja77> mnemoc: hm in that case i need one i guess 13:39 < blindy> now just start complaining about her complaining have you a nice recursive loop :) 13:39 < daja77> hehe 13:40 < mnemoc> pretty common loop :p 13:40 < alex_i> mnemoc: Please, don't offend women. 13:40 < cchamilt_> now she is mad i mentioned her. i cant win. 13:40 < daja77> cchamilt_: no you can't 13:40 < owl> moin 13:41 < daja77> speaking of the devil ... 13:41 < blindy> no man con win against women 13:41 < blindy> it's like nome law of nature or some such 13:41 ::: laga!laga@p508AE49D.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 13:41 < daja77> blindy: frustrated? 13:42 < laga> moin 13:42 < blindy> daja77: yeah, but not about this 13:42 < daja77> blindy: haven't you had two of them in your flat recently= 13:42 < mnemoc> two??!! 13:42 < owl> blindy: welcome in the club of frustrated people. what are you frustrated about? 13:42 < daja77> erhm yes iirc 13:43 < daja77> owl doesn't count in this matter 13:43 < blindy> daja77: don't remember me... please... just don't... 13:43 < mnemoc> "why a man can't never win an arguing against a woman" 13:43 < daja77> her flag for frustration is hardwired to on 13:43 < daja77> blindy: k. ... 13:44 < daja77> mnemoc: dunno i often win ^^ 13:44 < mnemoc> :( 13:44 < blindy> daja77: I've started filling my Cocktail Bar with alcoholic things after that weekend 13:44 < daja77> O_o 13:44 < daja77> that bad? 13:44 < daja77> omg 13:45 < blindy> even worse, actually 13:45 < owl> <-- going to die (hopefully) 13:45 < daja77> guys please don't tell me evil stories just one hour before my next date 13:46 < blindy> daja77: actually, one of the two looked like a guy... a guy you don't want to meet at night in dark corners 13:46 < daja77> oergs 13:46 < blindy> an both - when together - behaved like two pre-school children 13:46 < daja77> you didn't know them before 13:46 < blindy> I know one of them before 13:46 < blindy> and I really liked her back then 13:47 < daja77> the guy? 13:47 < blindy> the other 13:47 < daja77> mnemoc: wanna learn ;) 13:48 < daja77> hm 13:48 < mnemoc> oh 13:49 < daja77> what works best is to tell her that she is absolutely right when it is obvious that she isn't 13:49 < mnemoc> by contradiction? 13:50 < daja77> yep sth like 13:50 < daja77> that 13:50 < mnemoc> i'll try to do that 13:50 < daja77> hehe 13:51 < daja77> anyway, have to do some shopping now, cu later 14:11 < StefanG_> moin :) 14:12 ::: StefanG_ is now known as StefanG 14:12 < StefanG> thats better :) 14:14 < mnemoc> hi StefanG_ 14:14 < mnemoc> :p 14:53 ::: k3t__!k3t@pD9E8F514.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "ze ûda brí-tenkoR" 14:53 ::: trekkie3k!k3t@pD9E8F514.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 15:17 < alex_i> bye 15:17 ::: alex_i!~alex_i@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has quit: "leaving" 15:35 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host) 16:16 ::: laga_!laga@p508AFB50.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:25 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9B28.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:35 ::: laga!laga@p508AE49D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 16:45 * netrunner back from shopping. bought clothes, icecream and counterstrike 16:45 * netrunner feels female ;) 16:47 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:50 ::: plasma-!~foo@206.63.200.33 has joined: #rocklinux 17:04 ::: plasma- is now known as plasma 17:04 ::: plasma is now known as plasma- 17:06 < owl> *rotfl* 17:09 ::: plasma- is now known as plasma 17:10 ::: plasma is now known as plasma- 17:15 < owl> wtf is going on with plasma- ? 17:16 ::: plasma-!~foo@206.63.200.33 has left #rocklinux: "Leaving" 17:16 < mnemoc> WhoTF is plasma-? :) 17:17 < owl> *g* or so 17:17 ::: plasma-!~foo@206.63.200.33 has joined: #rocklinux 17:17 < owl> mnemoc: you called the devil again 17:17 < plasma-> I was messing with my nick on the nick server and did't know it was broad casting it 17:18 < mnemoc> :) 17:19 < mnemoc> plasma-: i you want to do that left all the channels first 17:20 < plasma-> thanks, now i know 17:20 ::: iceblox!~iceblox@cl-165.muc-01.de.sixxs.net has quit: "changing servers" 17:21 ::: iceblox!~iceblox@3ffe:400:cd0:0:0:0:1:3a has joined: #rocklinux 17:23 < iceblox> hm... 17:24 < mnemoc> iceblox? 17:26 < iceblox> I wonder what I would need to change to fix those hppa compile errors 17:27 < mnemoc> i have never played with hppa :) which errors? 17:28 < blindy> hi hi and rehi 17:28 < iceblox> oh, I pasted it 2 days ago, right now I am not at home and have no access to the error log... something about an illegal define and that I should use -fPIC, was in tools.cross/isntall-wrapper iirc 17:29 < mnemoc> hi blindy 17:30 < mnemoc> iceblox: in architecture/hppa you can set special cc options like that 17:31 < iceblox> ah, thx, I'll take a look at that on monday :) 17:37 < netrunner> iceblox: did you compile _on_ a hppa? 17:37 * netrunner is currently cross-building for hppa ... fighting with the kernel. 17:38 < iceblox> yes, i did compile on a hppa :) 17:38 < netrunner> oh, nice 17:38 < netrunner> mine would be to slow for that, I guess :) 17:39 < iceblox> mine is only a slow 100mhz one ;) 17:39 < netrunner> which model? 17:39 < iceblox> a 712 and a 715XC 17:39 * netrunner has a visualize b132L 17:40 < iceblox> hm, that one is probably faster than mine are ;) 17:42 < iceblox> hm, it is faster, the large l1 cache hasn't such a huge impact :) 17:46 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has quit: "Client exiting" 17:46 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 17:46 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 17:47 ::: Nebukadneza|mac!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 17:47 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 18:02 ::: Nebukadneza|mac!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has quit: "Client exiting" 18:49 ::: bluefire!bluefire@p508177A6.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "leaving" 19:39 * netrunner adding audacity 19:40 < tfing> netrunner: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031407431417408 19:40 < tfing> audacity is already in that patch 19:42 * netrunner cursing loud on that patch queue. 19:42 < tfing> yep :/ 19:42 < netrunner> tfing: but that patch is not nice, it's not one-per-issue 19:43 < tfing> i know, but you can filterdiff'it ;) 19:56 < netrunner> hm, audacity fails here!> collect2: ld returned 1 exit statu 20:06 < mnemoc> hi 20:07 < mnemoc> what was the fix to cron to allow user crontabs? 20:11 < mnemoc> crontab is o+s, var/spool/cron/crontabs looks fine... aarg... /me tries to kick his own head 20:12 * laga_ helps kicking 20:12 < mnemoc> thanks :) 20:19 < mnemoc> uhm.... anyone running a _very_recient_ version of rock to test crontab -e as luser? 20:20 < tfing> mnemoc: the debian package does some chgrp'ing in its postinst phase 20:21 < tfing> i think we should do the same 20:22 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040119.105647.53c922b0.html 20:22 < mnemoc> this solution was proposed but it don't seem to be applied 20:23 < tfing> it is not indeed, and i am not sure it is a very safe method 20:24 < tfing> i looked at this problem yesterday 20:25 < tfing> since we use the debian patch, we should follow the debian way for this package 20:25 < mnemoc> mail sent 20:26 < tcr> Anyone knows what package libao is in? 20:26 < tfing> in oggvorbis 20:27 < mnemoc> i'll have to go... 20:28 ::: elon!~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de has joined: #rocklinux 20:52 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9B28.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 21:06 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9B28.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 21:32 ::: ncrfgs!~ncrfgs@host202-94.pool8249.interbusiness.it has joined: #rocklinux 21:32 < ncrfgs> hi 21:32 < ncrfgs> is anyone here? 21:33 < tcr> ack 21:33 < ncrfgs> syn 21:35 < ncrfgs> tcr, ok 21:36 < ncrfgs> tcr, well is rock linux project alive? 21:36 < ncrfgs> tcr, I gave a look at the homepage 21:36 < ncrfgs> tcr, documentation and "philosophy" look great and are interesting but it looks a bit outdated 21:37 < ncrfgs> (well slackware homepage is outdated and rocks tough...) 21:38 < tcr> Well, given that 36 persons are here... 21:38 < tcr> (I admit, that doesn't have to say much... irc zombies are quite frequently to be met) 21:38 < ncrfgs> tcr, which kernel and xfree are you using? 21:39 < ncrfgs> (I suppose you're on a Rock Linux enabled system, aren't you?) 21:39 < tcr> with you, do you mean me or what version ROCK uses 21:39 < ncrfgs> tcr, both =) 21:40 < tcr> well look at www.rocklinux.net/packages/ 21:42 < mnemoc> tcr: you love to give vague answers :) 21:42 < darix> tcr: /join #gentoo ;) 21:43 < mnemoc> oh... that filemanager has a irc channel?? amazing :p 21:43 < darix> mnemoc: yeah ;) 21:43 < ncrfgs> mnemoc, :D 21:44 < blindy> well, just like finnish orgasm sites aren't blocked in any filtering proxy ;) 21:44 < tcr> ncrfgs, you should generally look at mailinglist when you're judging whether or not something's alive 21:45 < tcr> Or at things like live changelogs 21:46 < ncrfgs> tcr, well you're right 21:51 ::: ncrfgs!~ncrfgs@host202-94.pool8249.interbusiness.it has quit: "Leaving" 21:59 ::: cytrinox`!~dj-nail2@p213.54.166.118.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 21:59 ::: cytrinox`!~dj-nail2@p213.54.56.99.tisdip.tiscali.de has joined: #rocklinux 22:01 < darix> i normally check bugtrackers -> no bugs -> no users -> dead ;) 22:08 ::: giftnuss!~giftnuss@p5087E485.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 22:08 ::: hannes_!~hannes@aszlig.net has quit: "leaving" 22:08 < giftnuss> good evening1 22:09 < mnemoc> our bugtracker is there only to say we have one 22:11 < giftnuss> I didn't find any BUG, today. I only make to many mistakes by myself. 22:11 < mnemoc> good :) 22:16 ::: deonya2!infusion@Modem003-DodgeCenter.lakes.com has joined: #rocklinux 22:17 < giftnuss> We (micha and me) prepare dictd for rock. micha becomes the new maintainer for freedict and we will get this project into rock. It runs but I don't now how to handle the different dictionaries (each in his own package would round 40 new ROCK packages) and how to update the the dict.conf after installing a dictionary. 22:18 < daja77> re 22:22 ::: deonya2!infusion@Modem003-DodgeCenter.lakes.com has quit: "[¥] Project Infusion [¥]" 22:22 < giftnuss> sorry dictd.conf - 22:24 < mnemoc> i think proper is 40 packages but you will have a problem with dictd.conf 22:24 < mnemoc> bbl 22:24 < giftnuss> debian use a update script which comes with server - what is the usual way for ROCK 22:26 < giftnuss> micha think so 22:27 < tfing> you can make a stone module for it 22:28 < giftnuss> thats an idea 22:32 < giftnuss> dictd package is finished today. 22:38 ::: hannes_!~hannes@fortuna7.bingo-ev.de has joined: #rocklinux 23:36 ::: giftnuss!~giftnuss@p5087E485.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Remote closed the connection 23:42 ::: A-Tui!~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es has joined: #rocklinux 23:50 ::: StefanG_!~StefanG@port-212-202-34-137.reverse.qsc.de has joined: #rocklinux --- Log closed Son Mär 28 00:00:08 2004