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--- Log opened Son Mär 28 00:00:08 2004 00:00 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9B28.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 00:08 ::: StefanG!~StefanG@port-212-202-172-61.dynamic.qsc.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 00:59 < tfing> wouhou ! 00:59 < tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :) 01:01 ::: tfing_!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-181.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 01:04 ::: tfing!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-169.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:04 ::: tfing_ is now known as tfing 01:09 < tfing> don't know if it was sent : 01:09 < tfing> [00:54:18] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :) 01:10 < mnemoc> [19:58:22] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :) 01:10 < darix> mnemoc: your clock is wrong ;p 01:10 < tfing> ok ;) 01:11 < mnemoc> [19:58:22] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :)# ntpdate ntp.shoa.cl 01:11 < mnemoc> Looking for host ntp.shoa.cl and service ntp 01:11 < mnemoc> host found : 200.54.149.19 01:11 < mnemoc> 27 Mar 20:08:10 ntpdate[26846]: step time server 200.54.149.19 offset -95.566621 sec 01:11 < mnemoc> not *too* wrong :) just a bit 01:12 < mnemoc> i'll add ntpdate to cron... 01:17 ::: rockbot!~piespy@p508032DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host) 01:24 < darix> mnemoc: run ntpd 01:24 < darix> it will fix your time 01:35 ::: bluefire!bluefire@p50817380.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 01:36 * A-Tui is away: Esas bombas nucleares están cogiendo polvo!!!! 01:43 ::: _iceblox!~iceblox@3ffe:400:cd0:0:0:0:1:3a has joined: #rocklinux 01:45 ::: iceblox!~iceblox@3ffe:400:cd0:0:0:0:1:3a has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:45 ::: _iceblox is now known as iceblox 02:12 ::: bluefire!bluefire@p50817380.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "leaving" 02:12 * Freak listening to Radio Subether interviewing esden @ camp 2k3 :) 02:13 < Freak> I didn't know they had an interview with ROCKers. 02:40 ::: elon!~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 03:06 ::: drunky!~blindcode@pD9E4F0F0.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 03:06 ::: blindy!~blindcode@pD958FF8C.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Nick collision from services. 03:06 ::: drunky is now known as blindy 03:06 ::: plasma-!~foo@206.63.200.33 has quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 03:24 ::: hannes_!~hannes@fortuna7.bingo-ev.de has quit: "leaving" 04:07 ::: netrunne1!~andreas@p50802A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 04:07 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 04:07 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 04:07 Users #rocklinux: 04:07 [ _bg_ ] [ cytrinox`] [ iceblox] [ Nebukadneza] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 04:07 [ A-Tui ] [ daja77 ] [ ija ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ trekkie3k] 04:07 [ Aard ] [ darix ] [ kasc ] [ netrunne1 ] [ snyke ] [ true ] 04:07 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ laga_ ] [ netrunner ] [ StefanG_] 04:07 [ cchamilt_] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ owl ] [ tfing ] 04:07 [ clifford ] [ Freak ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 04:07 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 33 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 04:07 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 04:07 ::: [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 04:07 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 04:24 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p508032DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:51 ::: cytrinox`-!~dj-nail2@p213.54.184.190.tisdip.tiscali.de has joined: #rocklinux 04:53 ::: A-Tui!~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es has quit: "Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!" 04:57 ::: cytrinox`!~dj-nail2@p213.54.56.99.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 05:43 ::: togg!~togg@pD9ED32E4.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 05:49 ::: togg!~togg@pD9E5BC76.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 06:11 ::: Nebukadneza`!~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-214.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 06:17 ::: k3t_!k3t@pD9E8EBBF.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 06:24 ::: trekkie3k!k3t@pD9E8F514.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 06:28 ::: Nebukadneza!~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-192.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host) 08:55 < cchamilt_> UPDATE: My build of generic is only missing ocs, gnomemeeting. mono-debugger, multisync, bibletime, busybox 08:55 < cchamilt_> busybox does not belong in generic, 08:55 < cchamilt_> mono-debugger will not be fixed 08:55 < cchamilt_> ocs is compile erroring after I got it to actually install in a somewhat right place 08:55 < cchamilt_> multisync is not seeing openobex 08:55 < cchamilt_> bibletime's new sword is a little stoopid and needs help, 08:55 < cchamilt_> gnomemeeting is being tempermental about linking to openldap in configure(yes I corrected the -lldap). 09:31 < togg> hi all 09:31 < togg> is there a bootsplash / progressbar for framebuffer startup on rock ? 09:48 ::: alex_i!~alex_i@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has joined: #rocklinux 09:56 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.135.27.49 has joined: #rocklinux 10:05 < blindy> moin 10:12 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.135.27.49 has quit: Excess Flood 10:13 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.135.27.49 has joined: #rocklinux 10:43 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.135.27.49 has quit: No route to host 10:51 ::: alex_i!~alex_i@wbar2.sea1-4-5-073-078.sea1.dsl-verizon.net has quit: "Lost terminal" 11:15 < blindy> togg: it is in submaster 11:54 < netrunne1> moin 11:54 ::: You're now known as netrunner 12:52 < netrunner> togg: experimental, yes. 13:01 < blindy> brb 13:04 ::: bluefire!bluefire@p508178BC.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 13:05 < netrunner> damn, deleted bootdisk :/ 13:07 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB786.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 13:09 < owl> moin 13:16 < StefanG_> moin :) 13:22 < StefanG_> how do i format a floppy? 13:22 < StefanG_> never needed that :) 13:22 ::: StefanG_ is now known as StefanG 13:22 < StefanG> and why have i always the wrong nick? :) 13:24 < tcr> StefanG, mkfs I'd say 13:25 < netrunner> fdformat 13:25 < StefanG> ioctl(FDFMTTRK): Device or resource busy 13:25 < StefanG> when i do fdformat 13:25 < netrunner> have you supplied a device? 13:25 < StefanG> yes 13:26 < StefanG> mkfs works, but i want to format it completely 13:26 < darix> the device is not mounted? 13:26 < tcr> Maybe it's mounted? 13:26 < StefanG> to see if there are errors 13:26 < StefanG> ohh, it may be mounted 13:26 < StefanG> damn auto-mount ;-) 13:26 < netrunner> *plonk* 13:27 < laga_> netrunner, lol :) 13:27 < StefanG> hehe :) 13:27 < laga_> moin, btw 13:27 ::: holyolli!~holyolli@ppp116.dialin.bi.marcant.net has joined: #rocklinux 13:27 < holyolli> moin 13:27 * netrunner was just called by a guy who had a friend of him spend half yesterday installing some "box" at the telephone. now he cannot connect to the inet any more. and I have to drive there repair :/ 13:27 < netrunner> happy sunday. 13:28 < laga_> hehe, yes. have fun :) 13:28 < owl> hi holyolli 13:28 < holyolli> huhu owl 13:28 < laga_> hi owl, holyolli 13:28 < owl> holyolli: enjoy it *fg* 13:29 < holyolli> hi laga_ 13:32 < blindy> re 13:33 < darix> netrunner: we installed our server not even 1w ago. 13:33 < darix> i fscked it a bit last night.. 13:33 < darix> reinstalling now ;p 13:35 ::: iceblox is now known as iceblox` 13:40 < owl> .oO(men and PCs... help!!! *pointing at darix and pukeing*) 13:47 < daja77> moin 13:47 < holyolli> re & moin daja77 13:48 < daja77> hi holyolli 13:54 < darix> owl: it was s small typo 13:58 < blindy> darix: cat /var/log/messages | reboot? 13:59 < darix> blindy: no rm -rf $SOMEVARWITHTYPOINTNAME/* 13:59 < darix> i only killed /etc /lib/ and /bin 13:59 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB786.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "Leaving" 13:59 < darix> not this hard 13:59 < darix> as i had netcat and sash for recovery =) 14:00 < blindy> heh 14:00 < blindy> that's why I have /a and /aa and bind-mounted /a to /aa 14:00 < blindy> so rm -rf / will stop immediately 14:01 < darix> blindy: explain() 14:01 < darix> *wants to have that too* 14:01 < netrunner> loop? 14:01 < blindy> netrunner: loop-mounted, mount --bind 14:01 < blindy> darix: rm -rf stops when it encounters a mounted directory 14:02 < netrunner> blindy: no, I thought rm runs into a loop :) 14:02 < blindy> so, when trying to delete /a or /aa it will exit with the message: directory /a is mounted 14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /a 14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /aa 14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mount --bind /aa /a 14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# rm -rf /a* 14:02 < blindy> rm: cannot remove directory `/a': Device or resource busy 14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# 14:02 < darix> ah :D 14:03 < darix> *notes this down* 14:03 < blindy> that's why a rm -rf / usually only kills bin and the directories in /boot, as I always have /boot on an extra partition 14:04 < darix> blindy: hmm 14:04 < darix> i doubt it 14:04 < darix> it deleted my boot too *think* 14:04 < blindy> then boot isn't on its own partition and/or not mounted 14:05 < darix> hmm 14:05 < darix> *looks* 14:06 < darix> cant check ;p 14:06 ::: holyolli!~holyolli@ppp116.dialin.bi.marcant.net has quit: "Leaving" 14:06 < darix> donthave the old fstab 14:06 < darix> but iirc it was its own parition 14:06 < darix> and it deleted the content and switched to /Dev 14:06 < blindy> hmm... 14:06 < blindy> maybe... 14:06 < darix> i killed it when i saw the error msgs from delete in /dev 14:06 < darix> *phew* 14:07 < darix> ill do the /a /aa thingie 14:07 < blindy> Ah, I see 14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /root/test 14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# rm -rf /a* /root/test/ 14:07 < blindy> rm: cannot remove directory `/a': Device or resource busy 14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# ls -ld test 14:07 < blindy> ls: test: No such file or directory 14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# 14:07 < blindy> you have an * after the / 14:07 < blindy> that way, rm continues 14:07 < blindy> while with just rm -rf / it doesn't 14:19 < darix> what was the option to tell tar only backup the current fs not all moounted partitions? 14:19 < darix> seems to overlook it all the time 14:26 < darix> found it 14:26 < darix> its missing in themanpage o.o 15:28 ::: t3k|mobile!~k3t@pD9E8EBBF.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:02 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9C5F.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:39 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9C5F.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 16:54 ::: Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tfing, daja77, iceblox`, true, bluefire 16:55 ::: Netsplit over, joins: bluefire, iceblox`, tfing, true, daja77 17:06 < rxr> rehi 17:16 < daja77> hi rxr 17:18 ::: laga__!laga@p508ADF66.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 17:24 ::: laga_!laga@p508AFB50.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 17:26 ::: hannes_!~hannes@213.146.112.177 has joined: #rocklinux 17:26 ::: hannes_!~hannes@213.146.112.177 has left #rocklinux: 17:26 ::: hannes_!~hannes@213.146.112.177 has joined: #rocklinux 17:28 < cytrinox`-> moin 18:25 ::: elon!~moep2k@zwelf.in-dsl.de has joined: #rocklinux 18:26 ::: elon_!~moep2k@zwelf.in-dsl.de has joined: #rocklinux 18:27 ::: tfing_!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-181.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 18:32 ::: elon_!~moep2k@zwelf.in-dsl.de has quit: ".." 18:45 ::: tfing!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-181.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 18:45 ::: tfing_ is now known as tfing 18:56 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.175.64.108 has joined: #rocklinux 18:57 < owl> remoin 19:16 < cchamilt_> Oh wow, condor was released as open source last year. Mmm, checkpointed high throughput computing... 19:20 < rxr> hi Droot 19:23 < blindy> g'evening 19:37 ::: Janbaaz!~Droot@203.175.64.18 has joined: #rocklinux 19:40 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.175.64.108 has quit: Connection reset by peer 19:41 < cchamilt_> wow, i got gnomemeeting compiling. 19:43 < cchamilt_> rxr: I have fixes for most of generic (excluding mono-debug and ocs(I will fix this)) to build. Can I send a big lump patch like last time? Also, I have a solution to sdl .la's - remove the .la's. 19:45 < tfing> cchamilt_: you had problems with gnomemeeting ? 19:45 < cchamilt_> I cant get sm to work yet, (svnadmin probs) so I cant send it properly. 19:46 < cchamilt_> Yes, most people should being that configure's LDFLAGS was inherently broken in it. 19:48 < rxr> cchamilt_: just send a patch 19:48 < cchamilt_> rxr:OK, give me an hour or so for ocs. 19:49 < SMP> hi rxr. been busy? 19:49 < SMP> lately 19:51 ::: Janbaaz!~Droot@203.175.64.18 has quit: Client Quit 19:52 < SMP> it's fun to see that even if the stupid Reply-To header is present now, rxr's MUA still refuses to make a sane choice for the address(es) to send the reply to ;-> 19:54 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.175.64.51 has joined: #rocklinux 19:56 ::: Droot!~Droot@203.175.64.51 has quit: Remote closed the connection 20:08 < netrunner> cchamilt_: for the svadmin problems, try rebuilding bdb41 with var_append confopt " " "--disable-posixmutexes" 20:08 < netrunner> (helped me :) 20:09 < cchamilt_> ok thanks 20:11 * SMP to bed 21:08 < _bg_> net: so you diabled the locking (which svn relies havely on) to get svn work? 21:42 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAAF7D.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 21:45 < cchamilt_> Gave up on ocs, just rebuilding packages with 'patch' to make sure it is clean. 21:46 < cchamilt_> mono-debugger and ocs are all that does not build (though python has problems). 21:48 < cchamilt_> hi tcr 21:48 < tcr> hey cchamilt_ 21:51 < cchamilt_> Just doing janitorial services on rock. 21:54 < tcr> What's that? 21:58 < darix> A 21:58 < cchamilt_> making packages work, almost done. 21:59 < cchamilt_> I really wish people would take better care when they commit packages. 22:04 ::: iceblox` is now known as iceblox 22:10 < _bg_> anyone know gcc? 22:10 < _bg_> can i "-mcpu=pentium4 -march=i586" ?? 22:11 < _bg_> hm, it compile stuff. but how do i figure out what it actually does? (e.g. has it any effects?) 22:12 < cchamilt_> info gcc, or look at online docs. 22:14 < cchamilt_> rxr:? 22:18 < cchamilt_> I cant get ocs to work on stage 9, it cant reinstall itself correctly. 22:23 < _bg_> cchamilt_: well the docs say it can not be done, but it works. and the produces asm code is different. (not that i could verify it) 22:25 < cchamilt_> well gcc is a complicated beast with probably many unknown states and questionable outputs. 22:26 < cchamilt_> ocs is currently building in stage5, but cant reinstall due to the existing install. My only easy solution is to remove the package before rebuilding. 22:30 < tcr> _bg_ where does it say that it cannot be done? 22:32 < tcr> "picking a specific cpu-type [with -mcpu] will schedule things appropriately for that particular chip" 22:32 < tcr> "the compiler will not generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the `-march=cpu-type' option being used." 22:32 < tcr> So mcpu seems for scheduling instructions, while march does actually cause use of special instructions 22:33 < tcr> I'd say that pentium4 is backward compatible to i586, so it should run 22:33 < tcr> If I get it right, of course :) 22:34 < _bg_> tcr: so i figured. but i'm not sure: 22:35 < _bg_> tcr: -march=cpu-type: Generate instructions for the machine type cpu-type. The choices for cpu-type are the same as for -mcpu. Moreover, specifying -march=cpu-type implies -mcpu=cpu-type. 22:35 < _bg_> tcr: suggests, that -march OVERWRITES my -mcpu 22:37 < tcr> _bg_: Ack. I just looked at the online docu, may not be as accurate :) 22:38 < tcr> _bg_: still, that clearly states that your example is *not* bogus. The pass of -mcpu=pentium4 is just ignored and thus unneccessary 22:38 < _bg_> tcr: but i would like opcode optimisztion for p4 using just i586 instructions 22:39 < tcr> I can't grasp why 22:39 < _bg_> (unfortunately the working exampel i know is: opcode optimisation for i686 using i386 instructions) 22:40 < _bg_> tcr: most of my systems are p4 (or better) but some are still i586 (or via c3) and i'd like to otimize most for the main case and still have it running on all of my boxes 22:44 < tcr> Take this with a certain graint (sp?) of salt: I'd say that doesn't make much sense, because I expect p4 to handle code fully optmizied for i586 better than i586 would handle p4-optimized code. Really, we're just talking about scheduling instructions anyway... (it may even possible that scheduling instructions for p4 but using i586 opts comes out to be actually less efficient) 22:44 < darix> how can i tell printf what char it should use for padding? 22:44 < tcr> _bg_: it may be more reasonable to just use -mcpu=pentium4 and don't specify any march 22:45 < _bg_> tcr: looks like i've to find an gcc/intel assembler expert 22:45 < _bg_> (or just ask on gentoo-users ;-)) 22:45 < _bg_> while i will not get a correct answer there. someone will for sure have tested it 22:46 < _bg_> and will have "practical" results 22:46 < tcr> _bg_: I'd suggest joining #c 22:46 < tcr> darix: printf ain't capable of this 22:47 < darix> ill stick to spaces than 22:48 < tcr> darix: or write your own little wrapper for printf which does just that 22:49 < darix> tcr: it was just for my curiosity. :) 22:49 < darix> " " is fine 22:51 < tcr> darix: note, printf fills with 0s when it's a number-type 22:51 < darix> its a string =) 22:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: Removing the .la file like I did for sdl makes libtool shut up. 22:57 < cchamilt_> rxr: See my patch, though I still hope to fix ocs properly. 22:58 < tcr> Better /query him. I don't know what irc client he's using, or how he's it configured, but most if not all have a buffer limit 23:00 < cchamilt_> tcr: He should comprehend what I did in the patch anyway. 23:01 < cchamilt_> what is wrong with: mine -r -f -R $root ocs 23:05 < cchamilt_> nevermind 23:17 < cchamilt_> this python not building in stage 9 is serious. It appears that python cannot build after something else is in the system(not python related, because I just did a ver bump of python too) 23:20 < cchamilt_> python appears to finish install but throw a make: *** [libinstall] Error 1 after finishing the systemwide compile. 23:21 < cchamilt_> maybe we should just eval make install? 23:23 < tcr> It's late here :) I think it's the wrong time to ask this and probably the wrong place, too :) 23:23 < tcr> I'm gonna go to bed. Gn8 23:23 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAAF7D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "Ninety percent of everything is crap." 23:24 < cchamilt_> n8 23:33 < daja77> https://fun.drno.de/pics/windoof/windowsxp-problem.jpg 23:40 ::: cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 23:40 < cchamilt_> hmm this appears to be a known problem. one hack is make -i 23:47 < cytrinox> gn8 --- Log closed Mon Mär 29 00:00:08 2004