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00:59 < tfing> wouhou !
00:59 < tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :)
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01:09 < tfing> don't know if it was sent :
01:09 < tfing> [00:54:18] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :)
01:10 < mnemoc> [19:58:22] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :)
01:10 < darix> mnemoc: your clock is wrong ;p
01:10 < tfing> ok ;)
01:11 < mnemoc> [19:58:22] <tfing> just found a rock linux 1.2.0 cd i had burned :)# ntpdate ntp.shoa.cl
01:11 < mnemoc> Looking for host ntp.shoa.cl and service ntp
01:11 < mnemoc> host found : 200.54.149.19
01:11 < mnemoc> 27 Mar 20:08:10 ntpdate[26846]: step time server 200.54.149.19 offset -95.566621 sec
01:11 < mnemoc> not *too* wrong :) just a bit
01:12 < mnemoc> i'll add ntpdate to cron...
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01:24 < darix> mnemoc: run ntpd
01:24 < darix> it will fix your time 
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02:12 * Freak listening to Radio Subether interviewing esden @ camp 2k3 :)
02:13 < Freak> I didn't know they had an interview with ROCKers.
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04:07 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
04:07 ::: Topic set by SMP  Mon Mar  8 01:33:41 2004
04:07 Users #rocklinux:
04:07 [ _bg_     ] [ cytrinox`] [ iceblox] [ Nebukadneza] [ rxr     ] [ togg     ] 
04:07 [ A-Tui    ] [ daja77   ] [ ija    ] [ netcrow    ] [ SMP     ] [ trekkie3k] 
04:07 [ Aard     ] [ darix    ] [ kasc   ] [ netrunne1  ] [ snyke   ] [ true     ] 
04:07 [ blindy   ] [ dsoul    ] [ laga_  ] [ netrunner  ] [ StefanG_] 
04:07 [ cchamilt_] [ fake     ] [ mistik1] [ owl        ] [ tfing   ] 
04:07 [ clifford ] [ Freak    ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla      ] [ th      ] 
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04:07 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug  3 22:11:35 2003
04:07 ::: [freenode-info] why register and identify?  your IRC nick is how people know you.  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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08:55 < cchamilt_> UPDATE: My build of generic is only missing ocs, gnomemeeting. mono-debugger, multisync, bibletime, busybox
08:55 < cchamilt_> busybox does not belong in generic,
08:55 < cchamilt_> mono-debugger will not be fixed
08:55 < cchamilt_> ocs is compile erroring after I got it to actually install in a somewhat right place
08:55 < cchamilt_> multisync is not seeing openobex
08:55 < cchamilt_> bibletime's new sword is a little stoopid and needs help,
08:55 < cchamilt_> gnomemeeting is being tempermental about linking to openldap in configure(yes I corrected the -lldap).
09:31 < togg> hi all
09:31 < togg> is there a bootsplash / progressbar for framebuffer startup on rock ?
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10:05 < blindy> moin
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11:15 < blindy> togg: it is in submaster
11:54 < netrunne1> moin
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12:52 < netrunner> togg: experimental, yes.
13:01 < blindy> brb
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13:05 < netrunner> damn, deleted bootdisk :/
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13:09 < owl> moin
13:16 < StefanG_> moin :)
13:22 < StefanG_> how do i format a floppy?
13:22 < StefanG_> never needed that :)
13:22 ::: StefanG_ is now known as StefanG
13:22 < StefanG> and why have i always the wrong nick? :)
13:24 < tcr> StefanG, mkfs I'd say
13:25 < netrunner> fdformat
13:25 < StefanG> ioctl(FDFMTTRK): Device or resource busy
13:25 < StefanG> when i do fdformat
13:25 < netrunner> have you supplied a device?
13:25 < StefanG> yes
13:26 < StefanG> mkfs works, but i want to format it completely
13:26 < darix> the device is not mounted?
13:26 < tcr> Maybe it's mounted?
13:26 < StefanG> to see if there are errors
13:26 < StefanG> ohh, it may be mounted
13:26 < StefanG> damn auto-mount ;-)
13:26 < netrunner> *plonk*
13:27 < laga_> netrunner, lol :)
13:27 < StefanG> hehe :)
13:27 < laga_> moin, btw
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13:27 < holyolli> moin
13:27 * netrunner was just called by a guy who had a friend of him spend half yesterday installing some "box" at the telephone. now he cannot connect to the inet any more. and I have to drive there repair :/
13:27 < netrunner> happy sunday.
13:28 < laga_> hehe, yes. have fun :)
13:28 < owl> hi holyolli 
13:28 < holyolli> huhu owl
13:28 < laga_> hi owl, holyolli
13:28 < owl> holyolli: enjoy it *fg*
13:29 < holyolli> hi laga_
13:32 < blindy> re
13:33 < darix> netrunner: we installed our server not even 1w ago.
13:33 < darix> i fscked it a bit last night..
13:33 < darix> reinstalling now ;p
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13:40 < owl> .oO(men and PCs... help!!! *pointing at darix and pukeing*)
13:47 < daja77> moin
13:47 < holyolli> re & moin daja77
13:48 < daja77> hi holyolli 
13:54 < darix> owl: it was s small typo
13:58 < blindy> darix: cat /var/log/messages | reboot?
13:59 < darix> blindy: no rm -rf $SOMEVARWITHTYPOINTNAME/*
13:59 < darix> i only killed /etc /lib/ and /bin
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13:59 < darix> not this hard
13:59 < darix> as i had netcat and sash for recovery =)
14:00 < blindy> heh
14:00 < blindy> that's why I have /a and /aa and bind-mounted /a to /aa
14:00 < blindy> so rm -rf / will stop immediately
14:01 < darix> blindy: explain()
14:01 < darix> *wants to have that too*
14:01 < netrunner> loop?
14:01 < blindy> netrunner: loop-mounted, mount --bind
14:01 < blindy> darix: rm -rf stops when it encounters a mounted directory
14:02 < netrunner> blindy: no, I thought rm runs into a loop :)
14:02 < blindy> so, when trying to delete /a or /aa it will exit with the message: directory /a is mounted
14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /a
14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /aa
14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mount --bind /aa /a
14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# rm -rf /a*
14:02 < blindy> rm: cannot remove directory `/a': Device or resource busy
14:02 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# 
14:02 < darix> ah :D
14:03 < darix> *notes this down*
14:03 < blindy> that's why a rm -rf / usually only kills bin and the directories in /boot, as I always have /boot on an extra partition
14:04 < darix> blindy: hmm
14:04 < darix> i doubt it 
14:04 < darix> it deleted my boot too *think*
14:04 < blindy> then boot isn't on its own partition and/or not mounted
14:05 < darix> hmm
14:05 < darix> *looks*
14:06 < darix> cant check ;p
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14:06 < darix> donthave the old fstab
14:06 < darix> but iirc it was its own parition
14:06 < darix> and it deleted the content and switched to /Dev
14:06 < blindy> hmm...
14:06 < blindy> maybe...
14:06 < darix> i killed it when i saw the error msgs from delete in /dev
14:06 < darix> *phew*
14:07 < darix> ill do the /a /aa thingie
14:07 < blindy> Ah, I see
14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# mkdir /root/test
14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# rm -rf /a* /root/test/
14:07 < blindy> rm: cannot remove directory `/a': Device or resource busy
14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# ls -ld test
14:07 < blindy> ls: test: No such file or directory
14:07 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~# 
14:07 < blindy> you have an * after the /
14:07 < blindy> that way, rm continues
14:07 < blindy> while with just rm -rf / it doesn't
14:19 < darix> what was the option to tell tar only backup the current fs not all moounted partitions?
14:19 < darix> seems to overlook it all the time
14:26 < darix> found it 
14:26 < darix> its missing in themanpage o.o
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17:06 < rxr> rehi
17:16 < daja77> hi rxr
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17:28 < cytrinox`-> moin
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18:57 < owl> remoin
19:16 < cchamilt_> Oh wow, condor was released as open source last year.  Mmm, checkpointed high throughput computing...
19:20 < rxr> hi Droot 
19:23 < blindy> g'evening
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19:41 < cchamilt_> wow, i got gnomemeeting compiling.
19:43 < cchamilt_> rxr: I have fixes for most of generic (excluding mono-debug and ocs(I will fix this)) to build.  Can I send a big lump patch like last time?  Also, I have a solution to sdl .la's - remove the .la's.
19:45 < tfing> cchamilt_: you had problems with gnomemeeting ?
19:45 < cchamilt_> I cant get sm to work yet, (svnadmin probs) so I cant send it properly.
19:46 < cchamilt_> Yes, most people should being that configure's LDFLAGS was inherently broken in it.
19:48 < rxr> cchamilt_: just send a patch
19:48 < cchamilt_> rxr:OK, give me an hour or so for ocs.
19:49 < SMP> hi rxr. been busy?
19:49 < SMP> lately
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19:52 < SMP> it's fun to see that even if the stupid Reply-To header is present now, rxr's MUA still refuses to make a sane choice for the address(es) to send the reply to ;->
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20:08 < netrunner> cchamilt_: for the svadmin problems, try rebuilding bdb41 with var_append confopt " " "--disable-posixmutexes"
20:08 < netrunner> (helped me :)
20:09 < cchamilt_> ok thanks
20:11 * SMP to bed
21:08 < _bg_> net: so you diabled the locking (which svn relies havely on) to get svn work?
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21:45 < cchamilt_> Gave up on ocs, just rebuilding packages with 'patch' to make sure it is clean.
21:46 < cchamilt_> mono-debugger and ocs are all that does not build (though python has problems).
21:48 < cchamilt_> hi tcr
21:48 < tcr> hey cchamilt_
21:51 < cchamilt_> Just doing janitorial services on rock.
21:54 < tcr> What's that?
21:58 < darix> A
21:58 < cchamilt_> making packages work, almost done.
21:59 < cchamilt_> I really wish people would take better care when they commit packages.
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22:10 < _bg_> anyone know gcc?
22:10 < _bg_> can i "-mcpu=pentium4 -march=i586" ??
22:11 < _bg_> hm, it compile stuff. but how do i figure out what it actually does? (e.g. has it any effects?)
22:12 < cchamilt_> info gcc, or look at online docs.
22:14 < cchamilt_> rxr:?
22:18 < cchamilt_> I cant get ocs to work on stage 9, it cant reinstall itself correctly.
22:23 < _bg_> cchamilt_: well the docs say it can not be done, but it works. and the produces asm code is different. (not that i could verify it)
22:25 < cchamilt_> well gcc is a complicated beast with probably many unknown states and questionable outputs.
22:26 < cchamilt_> ocs is currently  building in stage5, but cant reinstall due to the existing install.  My only easy solution is to remove the package before rebuilding.
22:30 < tcr> _bg_ where does it say that it cannot be done?
22:32 < tcr> "picking a specific cpu-type [with -mcpu] will schedule things appropriately for that particular chip"
22:32 < tcr> "the compiler will not generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the `-march=cpu-type' option being used."
22:32 < tcr> So mcpu seems for scheduling instructions, while march does actually cause use of special instructions
22:33 < tcr> I'd say that pentium4 is backward compatible to i586, so it should run
22:33 < tcr> If I get it right, of course :)
22:34 < _bg_> tcr: so i figured. but i'm not sure:
22:35 < _bg_> tcr:  -march=cpu-type: Generate instructions for the machine type cpu-type. The choices for cpu-type are the same as for -mcpu. Moreover, specifying -march=cpu-type implies -mcpu=cpu-type.
22:35 < _bg_> tcr: suggests, that -march OVERWRITES my -mcpu
22:37 < tcr> _bg_: Ack. I just looked at the online docu, may not be as accurate :)
22:38 < tcr> _bg_: still, that clearly states that your example is *not* bogus. The pass of -mcpu=pentium4 is just ignored and thus unneccessary
22:38 < _bg_> tcr: but i would like opcode optimisztion for p4 using just i586 instructions
22:39 < tcr> I can't grasp why
22:39 < _bg_> (unfortunately the working exampel i know is: opcode optimisation for i686 using i386 instructions)
22:40 < _bg_> tcr: most of my systems are p4 (or better) but some are still i586 (or via c3) and i'd like to otimize most for the main case and still have it running on all of my boxes
22:44 < tcr> Take this with a certain graint (sp?) of salt: I'd say that doesn't make much sense, because I expect p4 to handle code fully optmizied for i586 better than i586 would handle p4-optimized code. Really, we're just talking about scheduling instructions anyway... (it may even possible that scheduling instructions for p4 but using i586 opts comes out to be actually less efficient)
22:44 < darix> how can i tell printf what char it should use for padding?
22:44 < tcr> _bg_: it may be more reasonable to just use -mcpu=pentium4 and don't specify any march
22:45 < _bg_> tcr: looks like i've to find an gcc/intel assembler expert
22:45 < _bg_> (or just ask on gentoo-users ;-))
22:45 < _bg_> while i will not get a correct answer there. someone will for sure have tested it
22:46 < _bg_> and will have "practical" results
22:46 < tcr> _bg_: I'd suggest joining #c
22:46 < tcr> darix: printf ain't capable of this
22:47 < darix> ill stick to spaces than
22:48 < tcr> darix: or write your own little wrapper for printf which does just that
22:49 < darix> tcr: it was just for my curiosity. :)
22:49 < darix> " " is fine
22:51 < tcr> darix: note, printf fills with 0s when it's a number-type
22:51 < darix> its a string =)
22:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: Removing the .la file like I did for sdl makes libtool shut up.
22:57 < cchamilt_> rxr: See my patch, though I still hope to fix ocs properly.
22:58 < tcr> Better /query him. I don't know what irc client he's using, or how he's it configured, but most if not all have a buffer limit
23:00 < cchamilt_> tcr: He should comprehend what I did in the patch anyway. 
23:01 < cchamilt_> what is wrong with: mine -r -f -R $root ocs
23:05 < cchamilt_> nevermind
23:17 < cchamilt_> this python not building in stage 9 is serious.  It appears that python cannot build after something else is in the system(not python related, because I just did a ver bump of python too)
23:20 < cchamilt_> python appears to finish install but throw a make: *** [libinstall] Error 1 after finishing the systemwide compile.
23:21 < cchamilt_> maybe we should just eval make install?
23:23 < tcr> It's late here :) I think it's the wrong time to ask this and probably the wrong place, too :)
23:23 < tcr> I'm gonna go to bed. Gn8
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23:24 < cchamilt_> n8
23:33 < daja77> http://fun.drno.de/pics/windoof/windowsxp-problem.jpg
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23:40 < cchamilt_> hmm this appears to be a known problem.  one hack is make -i
23:47 < cytrinox> gn8
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