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00:18 < daja77> hello master mike
00:20 < MadTux> hello mister daja77 
00:21 < daja77> :)
00:21 < daja77> n8 you all
00:27 < MadTux> sleeping again... what a shame
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00:35 < MadTux> Aitor!
00:35 < A-Tui> hi mike! :)
00:36 < MadTux> Como vas amigo mio?
00:36 < A-Tui> de momento va todo bien
00:36 < A-Tui> esperando las vacaciones de semana santa
00:36 < A-Tui> :)
00:36 < A-Tui> me he comprado una casa
00:36 < MadTux> obviously :)
00:37 < MadTux> wow!
00:37 < MadTux> congratulations!
00:37 < A-Tui> en un pueblecito pequeño
00:37 < A-Tui> thanks
00:37 * StefanG seams to be in spain or somewhere else :)
00:38 < A-Tui> but this holidays would be cold :(
00:52 < MadTux> come to cr
00:52 < MadTux> we are in summer
00:52 < A-Tui> MadTux, hehe
00:52 < A-Tui> i think i must order my new house this holidays
00:53 < MadTux> hehe
00:53 < A-Tui> i must to build an "parrilla" (i don't know the english word)
00:56 < MadTux> i undertsand you, the rest can use a translator :)
00:56 < MadTux> *vbeg*
00:56 < A-Tui> :)
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02:41 < MadTux> re
02:41 < MadTux> _P_I_N_G_ mnemoc 
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03:07 < tfing> netrunner: tell me if you are interested by a laptop-mode package (it only installs the script for the moment, no kernel patching yet)
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04:26 < mnemoc> re
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05:04 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
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06:23 < Menace> is any using wireless nic?
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07:05 < netrunner> moin
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09:11 < blindy> moin
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09:43 < alex_i> morning
09:56 * blindy gone
10:00 < netrunner> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/strikeout/
10:07 < netrunner> hm, has something changed in submaster or svn? I cannot use my old submaster checkout, as it looks for the db in SVN/ and it really is in SVN/db/
10:07 < netrunner> ah hm, misread, ...
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10:09 < netrunner> hm, maybe because svn is now linked to bdb4.2 ...
10:10 * netrunner checking out ... that works.
10:11 < netrunner> maybe I can hand-copy the queue...
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10:29 < owl> moin
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10:52 < hf_linux> hello all
10:52 < hf_linux> can you visizt this link:http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/?
10:57 < daja77> no
11:04 < netrunner> this damn rockplug does not work :/
11:06 < hf_linux> how about drocklinux.dyndns.org 
11:07 < netrunner> no route to host
11:07 < hf_linux> where can I download the iso? 
11:07 < hf_linux> the links on the site is invalid to me
11:07 < netrunner> on which site?
11:07 < netrunner> aah ... found the cache.
11:08 < hf_linux> http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html
11:08 < hf_linux> this site,
11:09 < netrunner> hf_linux: use iso.rocklinux.de
11:10 < daja77> that's what i tried to tell rxr yesterday
11:10 * netrunner wonders why rockplug doesn't load any modules
11:11 < daja77> it does here
11:11 < netrunner> on my new build not. 0.8 and 0.9 not. (0.7 does not even load 2.6 modules)
11:12 < daja77> hm
11:12 < netrunner> on my last build it did. :/
11:13 < netrunner> but I think I used 0.7 there.
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11:22 < SMP> even my rockplug 0.0.99 loads 2.6 modules ...
11:25 < netrunner> the 0.0.7 only grepped for .o, not for .ko
11:26 < SMP> may well be, for it's a long way from 0.0.99 to 0.7 ;)
11:28 < rxr> re
11:29 < daja77> hi rxr, gprs?
11:29 < rxr> nop
11:29 < rxr> w-lan at Valentin
11:30 < rxr> 2.0.1 will get out today
11:31 < netrunner> hm, it's not the version. downgraded to 0.0.7 and still does not work.
11:31 < netrunner> hi rxr
11:33 < daja77> rxr: we just had someone here a few minutes ago, as i tried to explain to you the download links are not working
11:33 < daja77> all of them
11:34 < netrunner> oh I am so stupid *bang*
11:34 < daja77> *ggg*
11:34 < daja77> netrunner: shall i create a bagde for you *eg*
11:35 * netrunner writes DAU on his forehead
11:35 < netrunner> argl
11:35 < netrunner> no, i don't tell you what I did. it's so ashaming.
11:36 < daja77> hehe
11:37 < netrunner> I had no modules.
11:37 < daja77> ...
11:44 < rxr> daja77: this sucks ..
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11:44 < netrunner> the iso.rocklinux.de is working. 
11:46 < rxr> and I just phoned the strange admin
11:47 < rxr> he claimed they got a new switch this morning and they should be able to plug those boxes including mine
11:47 < rxr> into the uni net again today ...
11:47 < rxr> (don't ask me why buying a new switch takes that much time ...
11:47 < rxr> )
11:48 < netrunner> rxr: stress test aka lanparty 
11:50 < rxr> no idea what they did to the old switch to get it dieing ...
11:51 < netrunner> rxr: Where do I send rockplug patches? I want to add something like echo "I want to load module $module but I cannot find it in your moduledir"
11:53 < rxr> to me
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11:54 < blindy> rehi
12:02 < rxr> hi blindy 
12:02 < rxr> blindy: when was the last time you saw the IPX board working?
12:03 < blindy> hmm... some time last year...
12:03 < blindy> I used it as Masternode for a ROCK build cluster
12:04 < blindy> not that the build succeded, but anyway
12:05 < blindy> GRAH! This late already? Gotta make lunch
12:05 < blindy> bye
12:06 < rxr> it does not pass the POST test anymore - it claims NVRAM and LogicBoard errors ...
12:19 < netrunner> http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/details.html
12:20 < rxr> the next subversion repository
12:20 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/macosd/
12:28 < alex_i_> Ok, with this kernel the situation with ownership is different...
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12:31 < rxr> hm?
12:34 < alex_i> I say that with this Linux kernel (2.24), the situation with ownership change is a bit different
12:36 < daja77> rxr: ack, hope they get it fixed soon
12:40 < netrunner> http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/mathhumor.html
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12:51 * netrunner giving umlrock a shot
12:51 * alex_i nukes something
13:12 < BoS> the url from iso-downloads are broken - normal or new url available?
13:17 < rxr> BoS: the iso.rocklinux.de should worl
13:18 < rxr> the main server gsmp.tfh-berlin.de or also known as drocklinux.dyndns.org is down due to a broken switch in a university
13:18 < rxr> we have promisses that it is back online today
14:10 < BoS> rxr: thx
14:13 < BoS> rxr: the 2.0.1 at iso.rocklinux.org  are the broken old iso?
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14:23 < rxr> BoS: there is a 2.0.1 iso on that site?
14:24 < rxr> 2.0.1 is not yet released - there could only be stuff in incomming
14:30 < BoS> yes there is a iso - not released yet?
14:31 < BoS> sorry isos an that site
14:31 < BoS> here the url: http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/unofficial/stable/2.0.1/
14:31 < cytrinox`> moin
14:32 < netrunner> BoS: _unofficial_
14:32 < BoS> ah, ok 
14:32 < BoS> and the officail isos are?
14:32 < netrunner> to find under the point official :)
14:33 < BoS> i see :)
14:34 < BoS> at the official three is the latest 2.0.0
14:54 < netrunner> is there something like var_replace?
14:55 < netrunner> or do I have to do var=${var/$search/$replace} ?
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15:05 < SMP> rxr: you commited multiple conflicts in package/base/rockplug/rockplug.desc with r2623
15:06 < SMP> rxr: any specific reason for not merging r2605?
15:07 < SMP> oh, forget that. you did merge it
15:20 < rxr> I committed conflits?
15:21 < rxr> smap should check error conditions more carefully ...
15:23 < rxr> hm - should not have been smap fault ...
15:24 < SMP> and a 0 chksum XFree86-4.4.99.1.tar.bz2
15:33 < rxr> the whole version bump should not have been in
15:33 < rxr> SMP: any other problem?
15:35 < SMP> I'm not aware of any
15:36 < rxr> good
15:37 * netrunner volunteers to do a 2.0.1 desktop-mmx
15:38 < rxr> netrunner: it is already finished ....
15:38 < netrunner> rxr: oh :) want a generic?
15:38 < rxr> it is since CeBIT and only awaited some final cleanup
15:38 < daja77> hey my rt build finished
15:38 < rxr> a minimal ... ;-)
15:39 < netrunner> yeah, I wanted to do a full build. yes, I can also do a minimal :)
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15:54 < mnemoc> moin
15:58 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
15:59 < mnemoc> hi netrunner 
16:04 < darix> clifford: your mail arrived o.O according to the mail header send on 2004-03-30.
16:06 < netrunner> darix: which is today.
16:08 < netrunner> ah, ic what you mean. he put the patch in submaster time ago and got no response ...
16:09 < darix> netrunner: no. he send me some pdf weeks agoi
16:10 < netrunner> :) I thought you meant his ml mail 
16:11 < clifford> darix: there was a problem with kmail...
16:12 < netrunner> huh, a ghost!
16:13 < darix> clifford: ic.
16:13 < darix> :)
16:14 < darix> but at least it arrived now;)
16:14 < darix> thanks again.
16:16 < daja77> hi clifford 
16:20 < owl> moin
16:36 < tfing> hi all
16:36 < tfing> daja77: can you check [2004031713315813345] please ? it concerns scummvm in your repository
16:37 < owl> hi tfing 
16:37 < tfing> hi owl 
16:37 < daja77> tfing: not atm. sorry
16:37 < tfing> well, if you have some time one day ... ;)
16:38 < daja77> think so, losing job atm
16:39 < tfing> oh :/
16:40 < owl> hoeh? why losing job?
16:41 < daja77> well linux is not popular everywhere
16:42 < owl> i c. shit
16:42 < daja77> yep
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17:25 < alex_i> I think that Configure should stop and give error when gawk is not found.
17:26 < alex_i> It was a small wrinkle on a Debian system that did not have gawk...
17:28 * rxr wondering that people have systems without gawk ...
17:28 < rxr> we could / should paranoia check this ...
17:30 < alex_i> How to add the rule?
17:30 < alex_i> What's the syntax?
17:30 < alex_i> I mean, package selection. I wanna exclude a group (gnome and other bloat)
17:32 < alex_i> I wonder, why is Gnome considered "minimal"?
17:33 < alex_i> I used the "minimal+xfree" template and ended up with gnome packages selected...
17:33 < alex_i> I think thath gnome is not minimal... it's bloat
17:35 < alex_i> I mean, it should not be included in minimal at all, even though it could be rather easily corrected...
17:35 < alex_i> and... xfce...
17:35 < alex_i> That minimal is really bloated
17:36 * alex_i is a Ratpoison persone
17:36 < rxr> alex_i: yes - minimal+xfree should not contain those ...
17:38 < alex_i> and... eterm too
17:38 < alex_i> glide3 ?!!!!
17:38 < alex_i> qt!!! argh!
17:39 < alex_i> Why Bibletime?
17:40 * alex_i is simply pointing out...
17:41 < rxr> alex_i: I think you did s.th. wrong a minimal build does not include so many packages
17:41 < alex_i> and... why so many games?
17:41 < rxr> alex_i: what do you do 
17:41 < alex_i> target distro is generic
17:42 < rxr> and more - or is this all?
17:42 < alex_i> "additional package selection"
17:42 < alex_i> minimal+xfree
17:42 < alex_i> I think, that's all relevant info, right?
17:43 < alex_i> I have just added rules against gnome, windowmanagers, qt, and games
17:43 < alex_i> But, the bloat was there by default...
17:43 < rxr> you need to specify minimal+xfree
17:43 < rxr> in the "package preselection template
17:43 < rxr> "
17:44 < rxr>  (minimal+xfree) Minimalistic package selection + XFree86
17:44 < rxr> ^- this is how it will look
17:44 < alex_i> yes
17:44 < rxr> this results in 98 packages selected on my PowerPC system
17:44 < alex_i> I did it
17:44 < alex_i> Yes, but there was all that bloat among them
17:45 < alex_i> I checked with current package list
17:46 < rxr> erhm
17:46 < rxr> all the ones starting with 'O' are not selected but optional ...
17:46 < alex_i> Who dared to add enlightenment!!! argh!
17:46 < rxr> so they will not be build (unless a target forces it to be reneabled - which generic or desktop do not do
17:46 < alex_i> :)
17:47 < alex_i> A bit confusing...
17:47 < alex_i> But I get you.
17:47 < rxr> X -> selected
17:47 < rxr> O -> optional
17:47 * alex_i meant the interface 
17:47 < alex_i> yeah, it was in the help, but was not very relevant
17:47 < rxr> the templates just disable them - not remove them completely so targets have the room to switch on needed stuff on demand
17:48 < alex_i> hmmm
17:48 < alex_i> Then, the next thing I am gonna do is my target...
17:48 < alex_i> Bloat free distro...
17:48 < rxr> alex_i: I'm quite busy now ...
17:48 < rxr> alex_i: can we chat later - or could you mail the list ...
17:48 < alex_i> Sure.
17:49 < rxr> cool - just reask later - or post to rock-devel or rock-user ... ;-)
17:49 < alex_i> I am building a pretty small one now.
17:49 < rxr> have fun
17:49 < alex_i> Quite impressed 
17:49 < daja77> bloat free, rofl
17:49 < alex_i> :)
17:49 < alex_i> Maybe, not 100% ;)
17:49 < alex_i> But, with usable ui and necessary stuff.
17:50 < alex_i> No eye candies
17:50 < daja77> .oO (who needs that)
17:50 < alex_i> Just poisoning the rodent.
17:50 < daja77> O_o
17:50 < alex_i> go to #ratpoison
17:50 < alex_i> ;)
17:51 < daja77> what's that
17:51 < alex_i> And, how you dare include Vim config into the configuration and not to include emacs's one
17:51 < alex_i> a windowmanager, but really, it's about a usable UI
17:52 < alex_i> Yes, emacs is great. (.)=period
17:52 < alex_i> I mean, GNU Emacs.
17:53 < alex_i> daja77: Really, give it a try. You won't need to touch mouse again.
17:53 < alex_i> ;)
17:53 < daja77> waaah emacs
17:55 < rxr> alex_i: emacs is so great it does not need to be configured ... ;-)
17:55 < alex_i> ;)
17:55 < alex_i> That's true.
17:57 < alex_i> Is i18n support good in most packaged software?
17:58 * alex_i hates to switch console from and to utf-8 mode
18:00 < SMP> console in Unicode is kinda pointless
18:00 < alex_i> Why?
18:01 < alex_i> 512 symbols limit?
18:01 < alex_i> glyphs...
18:02 < SMP> but I run all X in an UTF-8 locale, and modern software works as I demand, only GTK-1 and arcane Xlib apps cause problems
18:03 < SMP> and of course curses-based apps, unless modern enough to use ncursesw
18:03 < SMP> so I have to use vim or mined (awesome stuff) for real Unicode editing
18:05 < alex_i> what about emacs-mule?
18:06 < SMP> I don't use emacs, it is an illness
18:06 < alex_i> Ilness?
18:14 * netrunner uses package selection rule O *emacs*
18:16 < netrunner> anybody knows where I am suppost to get uml-config.h from? it's not in the kernel, and the uml patch does not add it. ..
18:19 < SMP> I also use o *emacs*, but then you should also use o auctex, o mew ;)
18:19 < tfing> |:: locate uml-config
18:19 < tfing> |/home/tfing/uml/tmp/linux-2.6.4/arch/um/include/uml-config.h
18:19 < netrunner> SMP: they'll fail anyway. I do not spend so much time with useless stuff.
18:19 < netrunner> tfing: wow, how did you do that?
18:20 < netrunner> I mean, how did it get there ;)
18:20 < tfing> make menuconfig ARCH=um i guess
18:21 < netrunner> hm. ... seems I have to tweak the kernel package more than I thought :/
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18:24 < netrunner> strange.
18:31 < netrunner> oh, the patch seems to be broken :/
18:32 < alex_i> So, Xfree is not downloaded in separate tarballs?
18:32 < alex_i> interesting...
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18:37 < rxr> alex_i: all the snapshot ones are in one tarball - only the old (and most often even more broken then the release ones) are seperately ...
18:40 < alex_i> I see. When I built LFS and used Gentoo, it was in a different way...
18:40 < alex_i> Also, some docs on TLDP mentioned that it should be separate...
18:40 < alex_i> OK
18:58 < mnemoc> re
19:08 < rxr> rehi mnemoc 
19:12 < mnemoc> hi rxr! :)
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20:02 < netrunner> hm, kdm has not all installed windowmanagers. cron.daily/90-kdm  calims to register them ...
20:17 < daja77> re
20:18 < daja77> nice, one day before you are out you get it working
20:28 < daja77> netrunner: speaking of kdm do you get this message too: "X" respawning too fast
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20:55 < rxr> daja77: --daemon must be added to the kdm registration ...
20:55 < rxr> erhm --no-daemon or so ...
20:55 < daja77> ah
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21:17 < tcr> moin all
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21:44 < MadTux> hi.
21:44 < daja77> ho MadTux 
21:44 < MadTux> daja77: :)
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21:49 < nookie> Heya MadTux :)
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21:57 < MadTux> n00kie!
22:02 < owl> hi MadTux 
22:02 < owl> how are you?
22:03 < tcr> Does anyone know the site which has been backuping websites for years?
22:04 < MadTux> SED!!! Greetings Dear :)
22:04 < netrunner> tcr: google
22:04 < tcr> netrunner, nope.
22:04 < tcr> netrunner, google cache is quite new and it isn't an allround backup archive
22:05 < tfing> tcr: http://www.archive.org/
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22:07 < tcr> tfing: Of course, I searched google for it and the first hit was archive.org... but couldn't find the exact part for websites (just found it via a more exact google search: web.archive.org/web/)
22:08 < tfing> it's the wayback machine
22:08 < netrunner> damn stupid cs:cz, I reinstalled windows and now it crashes :/
22:09 < owl> *sniff* madtux is afk again
22:20 < fake> http://web.archive.org/web/20011210214349/http://www.jaxi.de/index.html
22:20 < fake> phew...
22:22 < daja77> netrunner: cscz?
22:22 < fake> quite complete
22:22 < daja77> what is that
22:22 < fake> 29. Feb. 2000 : http://web.archive.org/web/20000229213830/http://www.rocklinux.org/
22:23 < daja77> Complete PalmOS Cross Devel Enviroment on ROCK Linux
22:23 < daja77> wow that vanished
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22:33 < fake> wow. there is a book about hanging ftom 1929: Charles Duff, Handbook of Hanging 
22:34 < daja77> rofl
22:36 < fake> it's not specific wether it is about hanging others or hanging oneself ;)
22:36 < daja77> order at amazon now ...
22:36 < netrunner> daja77: counterstrice condition zero
22:36 * netrunner bought it to get a working cd key.
22:37 * netrunner -> bed. n8*
22:37 < fake> n8!
22:42 * fake watching 24
22:43 < owl> n8g netrunner 
22:43 < owl> (sort the letters yourself)
22:58 < cytrinox`> gn8
23:41 < mnemoc> there is a combinations of keys that locks the tty, do you know the key to unlock it? :\
23:41 < daja77> n8 you all
23:41 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
23:46 < tfing> mnemoc: ^q 
23:47 < mnemoc> tfing: thanks :) .... and to avoid, what keys to lock?
23:47 < tfing> never type ^s :)
23:47 < mnemoc> :)
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