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01:38 < A-Tui> how i must use the [E] flag?
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05:09 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
05:09 ::: Topic set by SMP  Mon Mar  8 01:33:41 2004
05:09 Users #rocklinux:
05:09 [ Aard    ] [ daja77] [ JimBoy ] [ netrunne1] [ SMP    ] [ trekkie3k] 
05:09 [ blindy  ] [ darix ] [ laga   ] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] [ true     ] 
05:09 [ BoS     ] [ dsoul ] [ mistik1] [ owl      ] [ StefanG] 
05:09 [ clifford] [ fake  ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla    ] [ tfing  ] 
05:09 [ cytrinox] [ Freak ] [ netcrow] [ rxr      ] [ togg   ] 
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05:09 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug  3 22:11:35 2003
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06:30 < alex_i> auctex packages is a xemacsish bogus!!!
06:30 < alex_i> ...since it's configured with xemacs by default...
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08:32 * netrunne1 is happy to read many sm commit messges
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09:18 < blindy> ditto
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09:46 < netrunner> damn submaster is spitting out crap when doing sm send :(
09:51 < clifford> crap?
09:54 < blindy> ARGH
09:54 < blindy> compiling a kernel on sparc is nigh impossible I've got the feeling
09:56 < netrunner> clifford: it gives me what my browser gets when driving to https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi
09:56 < netrunner> apparently it misses some upload parameter or so
09:58 < clifford> hm... "sm admin" log's you in correctly?
09:58 < netrunner> jup, I get w3m pointed at the submaster page.
09:59 < clifford> and It says that you are loggin in as your user??
09:59 < netrunner> the "crap" contains "logged in as guest" on top. sm admin saysw logged in as netrunner.
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10:02 < clifford> can you change "curl" to "echo" in line 545 in sm and post the output of sm send (with the password substituted with something else) ?
10:09 < netrunner> Uploading patch 040406_093704_4265 ...
10:09 < netrunner> -k -F u=netrunner -F p=ultrasecret -F a=new -F q=1 -F f=@/usr/src/rock-submaster.sm/040406_093704_4265.patch https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi
10:09 < netrunner> Error while uploading patch: 040406_093704_4265
10:13 < owl> moin
10:13 < clifford> moin
10:13 < owl> hi clifford !
10:16 < clifford> hmm.. jimmy uploaded a patch 20 minutes ago.
10:17 < blindy> moin owl
10:17 < clifford> netrunner: who do you manage to screw up sm all the time ?!?
10:18 < owl> hi blindy 
10:20 < netrunner> huh? where does that come from? 10:18:38 FEHLER 501: Not Implemented.
10:20 < netrunner> clifford: dunno :)
10:20 < netrunner> clifford: I am netrunner, the bug-slayer ;)
10:25 < clifford> clifford@fuckup:~/bash-2.05b$ ./bash
10:25 < clifford> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
10:26 < blindy> oehm
10:26 < clifford> .. fuckin OpenBSD.  ;-(
10:26 < netrunner> clifford: see your hostname :=)
10:26 < netrunner> clifford: I have a new checkout of submaster btw. (reinstalled my build server)
10:28 < blindy> btw: is there a submaster package for ROCK?
10:28 < netrunner> blindy: there are no releases :)
10:30 < clifford> blindy: there will be.
10:31 < clifford> but first I e.g. need to debug why 'perl -e "use SVN::Core"' segfaults.
10:31 < clifford> after that I will redesign the submaster on-disk storage to use svm for syninc with the master.
10:32 < blindy> ok
10:32 < clifford> and then I will create packages for svm and submaster ..
10:32 < netrunner> clifford: does 'perl -MSVN::Core' ? (here it does, too :)
10:33 < netrunner> well, it's almost the same :)
10:33 < clifford> from "man perlrun": -Mmodule executes "use" module ";" before executing your program.
10:34 * netrunner walks to the corner and turns red
10:36 < clifford> ..everyone who fixes this problem is very welcome!
10:37 < clifford> a hint: it works fine with the CCC dROCK and just subversion and it's basic dependencies rebuilt.
10:52 < daja77> svm and submaster?
11:12 < rxr> rehi
11:16 < daja77> moin rxr
11:18 < netrunner> hi rxr
11:19 < rxr> moin all
11:19 < rxr> I'll have DSL in my flat next week ;-)!
11:20 < rxr> too damn it will be T-DSL - any other non T-DSL product is not available in my flat
11:20 < rxr> they are in the beginnin in the street - and at the end - but not in the middle ...
11:20 < blindy> rxr: tal.de ?
11:20 < rxr> so since I finally need s.th. I had to take this T-Com pill ...
11:21 < netrunner> blindy: hey, that sounds good! you use it?
11:23 < blindy> netrunner: no, it has no flatrate
11:23 < blindy> netrunner: but two friends of mine have it and are more than happy
11:23 < blindy> and I'll use it at work soon
11:23 < netrunner> blindy: with 4EUR/G it is not too expensive.
11:23 < blindy> -> Preparing build in src.bash.1081243188.216.3558499528
11:23 < blindy> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none,
11:23 < blindy>        or too many mounted file systems
11:23 < blindy> what am I missing?
11:23 < blindy> damn, damn, damn
11:23 < blindy> netrunner: no, but I have around 2 Gig a day
11:24 < netrunner> blindy: tempfs?
11:24 < blindy> damn, damn, doubledamn
11:24 < blindy> yes
11:24 < blindy> that's missing
11:26 < blindy> netrunner: 1GB RAM, think that's enough for a minimal build using tempfs?
11:28 < netrunner> blindy: it's enough for a complete generic:) just don't use less than the default 800M
11:28 < blindy> sur
11:28 < blindy> e
11:28 < netrunner> for minimal it might be ok reducing it a bit, but large packages slamm your face if you do.
11:28 < blindy> got a Sun V100 here temporarily
11:28 < blindy> so I want to make maximum use of it
11:29 < blindy> the machine's a bit low on 1st level cache, but it will have to do :)
11:37 * blindy watching how much faster tmpfs is against the 40GB 5400 rps hard disk
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12:08 < blindy> ./../ylwrap: line 86: -d: command not found
12:08 < blindy> flex problem?
12:15 < cytrinox> moin
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12:27 < blindy> jups, flex and bison were missing
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14:53 < rolla> re
14:53 < daja77> wb rolla 
14:54 < rolla> thanks
14:55 < blindy> looks like the kernel finally builds on sparc
14:55 < blindy> Hisax is b0rken on sparc in 2.4.25
14:55 < daja77> hisax on sparc?
14:56 < blindy> well, invalid lvalue on assignment, I added it to kernel-disable.lst
14:57 < daja77> the question is can you use hisax cards on sparc?
14:57 < blindy> if you have a PCI bus, why not?
14:58 < daja77> k. could be possible then
15:15 < blindy> wow
15:16 < blindy> sed bug
15:16 < blindy> BIIIG bug
15:16 < blindy> blindcoder@kilbourne:~$ echo 'n' | sed 's/[L-O]/xxx/' 
15:16 < blindy> xxx
15:17 < blindy> could someone pleose confirm this?
15:17 < daja77> yep
15:17 < daja77> waht should the output be
15:17 < blindy> looks like an optimisation error
15:18 < blindy> the output should be:
15:18 < blindy> n
15:18 < blindy> on my K6-@ it works
15:18 < blindy> K6-2
15:18 < daja77> erh sure, yes
15:18 < blindy> on my P4 it doesn't
15:18 < laga> on my fedora box, it is n
15:18 < daja77> have a p4 here
15:18 < laga> (athlon)
15:18 < daja77> build sed manually here
15:18 < blindy> as did I
15:18 < daja77> sucks
15:19 < daja77> 4.0.9?
15:21 < blindy> 4.6 through 4.0.9
15:21 < blindy> 4.0.6 obviously
15:21 < daja77> great
15:21 * blindy writing to rock-linux mailing list
15:22 < daja77> and to the sed crowd?
15:22 < blindy> well, it looks like an optimisation problem
15:22 < blindy> so it would be a(nother) gcc bug
15:22 < daja77> to the gcc crowd then
15:25 < blindy> /root/rock-2.0-rxr/src.linux24.1081251657.31827.532008441/linux-2.4.25/net/khttpd
15:25 < blindy> that THING still exists?
15:25 < daja77> erh seems so
15:25 < blindy> d'oh
15:26 < daja77> kernel config needs a review i think
15:29 < blindy> wieso?
15:29 < blindy> argh
15:29 < blindy> why?
15:29 < daja77> there are some options missing 
15:30 < blindy> hmm
15:30 < blindy> yes, IIRC it only runs through the config once
15:30 < daja77> it lacks apm support e.g.
15:31 < blindy> so options that depend on other options or cross-topic-options aren't always included
15:31 < daja77> and ppp filtering for isdn is deactivated which makes building isdn drivers a waste of time
15:35 < blindy> == 04/06/04 15:33:36 =[1]=> Finished building package linux24.
15:35 < blindy> WEE :)
16:13 < mnemoc> moin
16:18 < rolla> mnemoc: 
16:18 < blindy> hehe
16:18 < blindy> just showed my parents mozilla mail
16:19 < blindy> comment: "Finally something that's easy to use, unlike outlook"
16:19 < daja77> hehe
16:20 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
16:21 < mnemoc> hi :)
16:21 < mnemoc> blindy: thunderbird is nice, but i haven't tested it with my parents :)
16:21 < blindy> if someone gave me an mbox2imap converter, I'd even consider installing imap on my server and using mozilla
16:22 < mnemoc> Maildir based imap?
16:24 < blindy> mbox! not maildir
16:24 < blindy> I'm almost as far as implementing my own IMAP daemon that is using mbox and procmail :-)
16:24 < tfing> imap is not a way to store mails
16:24 < tfing> some imap servers uses maildir
16:25 < blindy> tfing: no it isn't, but I store my mails using mbox files right now
16:25 < blindy> and I want to switch to IMAP
16:25 < blindy> but I have not found an IMAP daemon that can read those
16:26 < mnemoc> "if someone gave me an mbox2imap converter" <--- there are mbox2maildir converters
16:26 < blindy> hmm
16:26 < mnemoc> and there are Maldir based imaps :)
16:26 < tfing> Dovecot is still fully compatible with standard Maildir and mbox formats.
16:27 < blindy> dovecot?
16:27 < tfing> the imap server developed by timo sirainen
16:27 < tfing> dovecot.org
16:28 < mnemoc> tfing: dovecot vs. courier?
16:29 < tfing> mnemoc: never used either ;)
16:29 < mnemoc> forgot a previous question: does it support vmailmgr? :p
16:29 < mnemoc> =)
16:53 < blindy> hmm
16:53 < blindy> ok
16:53 < blindy> I like dovecot :)
16:54 < mnemoc> blindy: dovecot vs. courier?
16:55 < blindy> never used courier
16:55 < blindy> but I just set up dovecot in under 5 minutes
16:56 < blindy> and seeing as I can continue using mutt directly on the mbox files and mozilla or others on the IMAP
16:56 < blindy> I _love_ it
16:56 < mnemoc> sound nive
16:56 < mnemoc> nice*
16:56 * blindy packaging dovecot for ROCK
16:59 < blindy> I can even continue using sendmail and procmail as it is
17:13 < fake> procmail != Maildir
17:14 < daja77> hi fake
17:14 < fake> hi daja!
17:14 < daja77> fake: are you there at easterhegg next weekend?
17:14 < fake> not sure...
17:14 < fake> i _should_
17:15 < daja77> registered?
17:15 < fake> yes
17:15 < fake> that's why i should
17:15 < daja77> hehe ic
17:15 * daja77 too
17:29 < blindy> fake: procmail == mbox == dovecot
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17:55 < owl> remoin
18:09 < rolla> re
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18:25 < owl> hi ija 
18:25 < ija> hi owl 
18:25 < netrunner> fake: payed?
18:25 < fake> not yet
18:27 < netrunner> DO SO!
18:27 < netrunner> :)
18:27 < daja77> netrunner: i did
18:27 * netrunner is in the orga. and needs money
18:27 < fake> but then i will have to come for sure
18:27 < clifford> wow!
18:27 < fake> and i don't know if i will
18:27 < fake> hi clifford!
18:27 < netrunner> clifford: rewow :)
18:28 < clifford> reference build with debug symbols: 15GB on disk, 4.4GB the gem packages
18:28 < fake> oops... ;)
18:28 * netrunner just had a struggle with dpd, because our location rejected the 20 packages of jolt
18:28 < clifford> and my patch for the gcc -gpulpstone option is still not functional..
18:30 < fake> -gpulpstone ?
18:30 < fake> what should it do?
18:30 < clifford> just add the debug information pulpstone needs...
18:31 < fake> ah, i see
18:31 * fake finally got his freevo working smoothly
18:37 < fake> hey, 24 is on today 
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18:42 < fake> sharereactori replacement online, cool: http://shareconnector.com/
18:42 < fake> SMP: they claim to have ent 3x19 >
18:42 < fake> ?
18:50 * fake hunting
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20:11 < esden> hi all
20:12 < blindy> hi half-dead esden ;)
20:13 < esden> half-dead? o_O
20:13 < esden> I am alive! cant you see? ;)
20:14 * tfing pokes esden to check
20:15 * blindy blind, cannot see
20:16 * esden jumps to the sealing ... 
20:16 < esden> tfing: don't tickle me!
20:18 < rolla> ceiling
20:20 < esden> ok ... thanks rolla 
20:20 < rolla> :)
20:20 < rolla> just trying to help
20:22 < esden> rolla: corrections always appreciated ;)
20:24 < rolla> cool same here
20:26 < esden> rolla: I do not thik that I need to correct your english ;)
20:28 < blindy> anyone knows which package contains sgml2html?
20:28 * blindy thinks we should set up something like packages.debian.org >_<
20:28 < esden> blindy: that is an idea!
20:29 < esden> blindy: grep sgml2html /var/adm/flist/* or so
20:29 < blindy> esden: I don't have that flist!
20:29 < blindy> that's why I want to know where it is contained
20:30 < tfing> blindy: the sgmltools are not packaged
20:30 < esden> blindy: you may be right
20:30 < esden> and yes we need something like that ...
20:32 < rolla> esden: you never know my english can be bad at times.
20:34 < esden> rolla: you must not drink so much ;)
20:34 < blindy> tfing: sucks... can't compile lct completely then
20:35 < tfing> lct ?
20:36 < blindy> console tools
20:45 < blindy> ehm
20:45 < blindy> is it normal that flex is working for over 30 minutes now?
20:45 < blindy>  7806 root      20   0  1048 1048   576 R    99.5  0.2  31:43 flex
20:46 < daja77> depends on filesize
20:46 < blindy> 3354 Bytes
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20:47 < daja77> oh
20:47 < blindy> no
20:47 < blindy> 11187 Bytes
20:47 < tcr> moin all
20:47 < daja77> woah what a difference
20:47 < daja77> hi tcr
20:48 < blindy> daja77: just wantedi to be correct :)
20:48 < daja77> :)
20:49 < blindy> maybe it's the bison from debilian
20:49 < blindy> already had problems with its flex
20:49 < daja77> :)
20:50 < tcr> blindy, many locales encode the alphabet like this "AaBbCc..Zz" and not "abc...zABC..Z", that's the origin for the behaviour of sed you stumpled upon
20:51 < daja77> O_o
20:52 < tcr> blindy, I heavily suggest setting LC_COLLATE to C in your .profile unless you like risy life (think of an `rm -f [A-Z]*')
20:53 < esden> lol
20:53 < daja77> esden: !
20:53 < esden> daja77: !
20:53 < blindy> tcr: that stil doesn't explain why [A-Z] also gets [b-y] but not [az]
20:53 < daja77> :)
20:54 < blindy> tcr: anyway, LC_COLLATE=C works fine, thanks ^^
20:54 < daja77> .oO (this sucks)
20:54 < tcr> blindy, it does. 
20:55 < tcr> blindy, [A-Z] effectly matches every char except z (small zet)
20:55 < blindy> tcr: if it encoded it like this: AaBbCc...XxYyZz then [A-Z] should get [A-Za-y] but it does [A-Zb-y]
20:57 < tcr> blindy, Ok. seems like it's actually "aAbB.." encoded
20:58 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:/tmp/tcr$ ls
20:58 < tcr> total 0
20:58 < tcr>    0 abc     0 bc     0 zyx
20:58 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:/tmp/tcr$ ls [A-Z]*
20:58 < tcr>    0 bc     0 zyx
21:01 < blindy> hmm
21:01 < blindy> ok, I think I've got it now
21:05 < blindy> ok
21:05 < blindy> looks like there was a stale debilian libfl.so 
21:06 < blindy> causing a loop somewhere
21:19 < blindy> WEE! default-2.0.0-sparc-generic-expert successfully reached stage 2
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21:20 < rolla> cd /win2
21:24 < blindy> -bash: cd: /win2: No such file or directory
21:31 < blindy> hmm
21:31 < blindy> is the ccache data stored inside or outside of the tmpfs?
21:32 < esden> good night everyone
21:32 * esden -> bed
21:32 < blindy> n8
21:32 < blindy> I sure hope outside
21:32 < tcr> I don't really know, but I assume it's in the pkg build dir
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21:33 < owl> gn8 esden|zZz 
21:34 < tcr> No, sorry that wouldn't make sense. Those (pkg build dirs) are created again and again, the ccache data isn't
21:35 < blindy> just worried about my 800M tmpfs:)
21:39 * rolla wonders why it is so small
21:39 < blindy> rolla: guess because the only package needing more compile space would be xfree86 with debug symbols
21:40 < rolla> :)
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22:57 * tfing laughs at wallop
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23:33 < A-Tui> hola
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