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--- Log opened Son Apr 11 00:00:45 2004 00:18 < netrunner> daja77: ! 00:30 < cytrinox> gn8 00:35 < daja77> *ggg* 00:37 < daja77> n8 you alll 00:43 < MadTux> oyasumi daja77-chan 01:36 ::: mistik1!rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host) 01:37 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB20D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 01:43 ::: mistik1!mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046 has joined: #rocklinux 02:42 ::: netrunne1!~andreas@p508024B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 02:42 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 02:42 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 02:42 Users #rocklinux: 02:42 [ _JimBoy ] [ daja77] [ ija ] [ netrunne1] [ s701418_] [ th ] 02:42 [ Aard ] [ darix ] [ MadTux ] [ netrunner] [ SMP ] [ togg ] 02:42 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ mistik1] [ owl ] [ snyke ] [ trekkie3k] 02:42 [ clifford] [ fake ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ StefanG ] [ true ] 02:42 [ cytrinox] [ Freak ] [ netcrow] [ rxr ] [ tfing ] 02:42 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 29 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 02:42 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 02:43 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 12 secs 02:57 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p508025E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:07 ::: blindcoder!~blindcode@p50801D2F.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 04:07 ::: blindy!~blindcode@pD9E4F380.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Nick collision from services. 04:07 ::: blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:12 < MadTux> hi blindy 04:27 < MadTux> Nacht! 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https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 19:52 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 19:52 Users #rocklinux: 19:52 [ _JimBoy ] [ cytrinox ] [ Freak ] [ netrunne1] [ rxr ] [ tfing] 19:52 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ ija ] [ netrunner] [ s701418_] [ th ] 19:52 [ blindy ] [ darix ] [ martin ] [ nookie ] [ SMP ] [ togg ] 19:52 [ bluefire] [ dsoul ] [ mistik1] [ owl ] [ snyke ] [ true ] 19:52 [ cchamilt] [ esden|zZz] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti ] [ StefanG ] 19:52 [ clifford] [ fake ] [ netcrow] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 19:52 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 34 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 19:52 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 19:52 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 7 secs 20:04 ::: netrunne1!~andreas@p508024B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:22 < tcr> moin all 20:22 < tcr> mnemoc, ping 20:22 < tcr> cchamilt, ping 20:22 < praenti> ping blindy 20:22 < praenti> hi 20:22 < martin> cu 20:22 ::: martin!~martin@pD9E736EE.dip.t-dialin.net has left #rocklinux: "bye bye" 20:24 < tcr> hehe, praenti.. lots of long-lasting pings... crappy network connection, eh? 20:24 < praenti> tcr: it is normal here :-) 20:32 < mistik1> who is the Xwindows hacking guru ? 20:33 < tcr> mistik1, rxr did hack a bit on X 20:33 < mistik1> ok 20:33 < praenti> btw. at the moment i also did a little bit 20:33 < mistik1> I'll just list what i'm after and see if someone has any ideas 20:33 < tcr> mistik1, howso, as he seems away, you should probably better join some X spec. channel 20:33 < praenti> wanted to create a package for X.org 20:34 < tcr> *howsoever 20:34 < mistik1> I have a situation where I need to have my users press a key combination and launch a support application no matter what window manager or desktop they are using 20:34 * tcr is currently a bit confused about the several different X forks or teams that rised up recently. Especially after the license change... 20:35 < praenti> btw. X.org compiled in my build :-). One patch needs to be reviewed. some others are not necessary anymore. and rest applies correctly 20:35 < mistik1> xorg is the only way to fly 20:35 < praenti> tomorrow i will try to submit it to submaster 20:35 < tcr> mistik1, I don't think so 20:36 < mistik1> I have my reasons why I know so 20:36 < tcr> mistik1, AFAIK xmodmap directly access X and doesn't go over the window manager 20:36 < mistik1> Xorg is so far the only one going in the direction I want to see X goto 20:36 < praenti> mistik1: yeah. i also think so :-) 20:36 < tcr> mistik1, I suppose Xorg is the one of the old team? 20:37 < tcr> so traditional X, if you want to call it so? 20:37 < mistik1> old and new 20:37 < mistik1> Xorg has things going on right now that will be a revolution in X windows 20:38 < praenti> tcr: old and new. they are based on a Xfree86 4.4RC 20:38 < tcr> Whatsoever. 20:38 < mistik1> builtin network audio support 20:38 < mistik1> clientside font rendering 20:38 < mistik1> just to name 2 20:38 < tcr> mistik1, I desired that too (network audio) 20:38 < tcr> mistik1, but after I thought about it, it doesn't make much sense any more 20:39 < praenti> tcr: the most important thing is Keith Packard :-). One of the most active x developers 20:39 < mistik1> It makes all the sense for the project i'm involved with 20:39 < mistik1> praenti: dont forget Jim Gettys 20:39 < praenti> ahh right :-) 20:39 < mistik1> one of the founders of X 20:39 < mistik1> :) 20:40 < tcr> mistik1, really, as in unix's quite everything a file, and so are the audio devices, I think The Right Solution is just to have some listener for these devices which send off packets over network to some daemon for realtime synthezisingsp?) etc 20:40 < mistik1> and now Jim McQuillan of LTSP 20:40 < tcr> And I pretty much assume that something like that does already exist 20:41 < mistik1> exist dont mean its what is needed 20:41 < tcr> Eh? 20:41 < tcr> It's just that X is not the right place for it 20:42 < mistik1> as the person responsible for network audio on LTSP thin-clients I have worked with all of the current impimentations and they all suck badly 20:42 < mistik1> sure it si 20:42 < mistik1> is* 20:42 < mistik1> Its the only place it should be 20:42 < mistik1> X and the kernel 20:42 < tcr> No, because it's way levels too high 20:42 < mistik1> It should be seamless the any userland application 20:42 < tcr> I don't know the current implemantions, but I have to find out soon, 'cause I want a central music station in my room 20:43 < praenti> tcr: no at all. X can be the interface between grahical guis and the kernel, so you need the functionality native in X 20:43 < mistik1> we have, NAS, ESD, ARTS, AWFD, DSPROXY to name a few 20:43 < tcr> I don't know what wrong with the solution I described above.. do you know apparent objections? 20:43 < mistik1> all work in some manner but all are found lacking 20:44 < tcr> But unix's everything is a file concept is especially made for this kind of application 20:44 < tcr> Putting it in X is crap, especially if you mind non-X users 20:44 < praenti> tcr: the problem is that you have a lot of applications which are based on the X System but uses natively kernel things 20:45 < praenti> If you think a little bit more object-orientated that is senseless in most kinds 20:45 < tcr> Don't get me wrong, I'm not against some sound-lib within X (which is arguable, too, howsoever); all I'm against is a sound-over-network solution within X 20:46 < mistik1> how so 20:46 < praenti> tcr: ahh. ok. but that is needed for remote terminal services 20:46 < tcr> mistik1, I just told so 20:46 < tcr> :) 20:46 < praenti> X can do that at the moment very well, but you only see the graphic and nothing else 20:46 < mistik1> X is a client server model in which you could be sitting anywhere and the application is somewhere else altogather, why should X not know how/where to play the sound 20:47 < mistik1> praenti: terminal services is exactly what i'm into 20:47 < praenti> M$ is more in the future here. they also send the sound through the network, so you have a complete thin-client 20:47 < tcr> mistik1, That's arguable, but I'm not against *this* per se 20:48 < praenti> native X could not do that at the moment i think, but i'm not sure about thart 20:48 < tcr> mistik1, All I'm against is implemented sound-over-network in X; X should rather use some mechanism beneath 20:48 < mistik1> tcr: I agree there, I'm just saying X should *know* how to deal with it natively 20:48 < mistik1> I'm not really saying it must be in X itself 20:48 < mistik1> take MAS for example 20:48 < tcr> mistik1, Ah. ok :) small bug in communication 20:49 < mistik1> This will work in much the same way you mentioned 20:49 < mistik1> :) 20:49 < praenti> ahh. crappy communication with too much noise level :-) 20:49 < tcr> Still, it's arguable that X should be able to deal with it natively 20:49 < tcr> I don't take a strong position in that debate though 20:50 < tcr> I can understand both sides, because both have strong points 20:50 < tcr> Maybe X should be splitted off in several parts like... 20:51 < mistik1> praenti: that noise level of X is being addressed by Xorg 20:51 < tcr> a graphical part (mostly that what X's now), and different parts like sound, control whatsoever 20:51 < tcr> the whole package is then a desktop environment 20:51 < mistik1> that is partly addressed by clientside font rendering 20:52 < praenti> tcr: But I'm still thinking that X.org goes in a direction where X must go. If think back to the fontconfig story, you will see that the X.org team is more modern than Xfree86 20:52 < praenti> what I hated in the Xfree86 Team is the big time between releases... 20:52 < mistik1> tcr: this is much of the type of developments going on at xorg 20:52 < tcr> praenti, I never quite grasped the font thing in linux 20:53 < tcr> praenti, sometimes I got fonts to work, sometimes I don't %) 20:53 < tcr> didnt 20:53 < tcr> mistik1, Actually good then. Are you involved? 20:53 < praenti> mistik1: i have also seen that. X.org is more a distribution of all X parts (Xserver for example) 20:54 < mistik1> praenti: indeed 20:54 < mistik1> tcr: not directly, yet ;-) 20:54 < mistik1> Our project lead is on the development and dicision making team ;) 20:54 < praenti> tcr: you are not the only one, some of my friends too. i have also not get the problem, what is causing that sometime 20:56 < praenti> the person i'm knowing has only updated his x release. after that staroffice has no functional fonts :-) 20:56 < praenti> was a debian... 20:56 < praenti> but know I must leave 20:57 < praenti> bye 20:57 < tcr> good bye 20:57 < mistik1> bye 20:57 < mistik1> nice chatting with ya 21:50 ::: ija![mopjabMxn@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de has quit: Remote closed the connection 22:16 ::: netrunne1!~andreas@p50802292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 22:16 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 22:16 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 22:16 Users #rocklinux: 22:16 [ _JimBoy ] [ cytrinox ] [ Freak ] [ nookie ] [ SMP ] [ togg] 22:16 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ mistik1 ] [ owl ] [ snyke ] [ true] 22:16 [ blindy ] [ darix ] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti ] [ StefanG] 22:16 [ bluefire] [ dsoul ] [ netcrow ] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 22:16 [ cchamilt] [ esden|zZz] [ netrunne1] [ rxr ] [ tfing ] 22:16 [ clifford] [ fake ] [ netrunner] [ s701418_] [ th ] 22:16 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 32 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 22:16 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 22:16 ::: [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 22:16 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 22:17 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p50802E18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 22:29 ::: nookie!~nookie@M468P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Remote closed the connection 22:36 ::: nookie!~nookie@M468P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 23:14 ::: cytrinox!~dj-nail2@p213.54.150.36.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 23:14 ::: cytrinox!~dj-nail2@p213.54.150.36.tisdip.tiscali.de has joined: #rocklinux 23:15 ::: cytrinox!~dj-nail2@p213.54.150.36.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Client Quit 23:15 ::: cytrinox!~dj-nail2@p213.54.150.36.tisdip.tiscali.de has joined: #rocklinux 23:16 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M267P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 23:29 ::: You're now known as netrunner 23:33 ::: nookie!~nookie@M468P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) --- Log closed Mon Apr 12 00:00:02 2004