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04:05 < zdawg> sup all
04:05 < zdawg> what is the rock-src-2.0.0.tar.bz2 for?
04:10 < zdawg> perhaps I am not asking the correct question
04:15 < zdawg> here is the deal : I have a box I want to put rock on | I want to do this from a floppy | therefore where do I locate 5.2.5  Bootable Floppies
04:15 < zdawg> The floppy images are in configid/bootdisk/floppy*.im. These images can also be found on some ROCK mirrors. To copy the content to floppy-disks:
04:15 < zdawg> # dd if=floppy1.img of=/dev/floppy/0  # or alternatively of=/dev/fd0  
04:15 < zdawg> # dd if=floppy2.img of=/dev/floppy/0  # or alternatively of=/dev/fd0  
04:17 < zdawg> ok then
04:17 < zdawg> ciao
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04:56 < cytrinox> gn8
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07:52 < netrunner> moin
10:48 < th> moin
10:57 < netrunner> hi th
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10:58 * th trying to get some OpenLook stuff running.
10:59 < jsaw> hi all
10:59 < th> hi jsaw 
10:59 < jsaw> hi th
10:59 * netrunner packaging wol and hoping the best for his build server
11:00 < jsaw> oups, me forgot a lecture, back in an hour...
11:02 < netrunner> damn, does not react :(
11:02 * netrunner trying wob (wake-on-brother)
11:13 < th> hmm /me needs a pmake
11:14 < th> is there any rock package?
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11:26 < th> moin tcr
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12:49 < rxr> rehi
12:49 < th> hi rxr 
12:49 < rxr> my DSL line is now functional --- puh
12:50 < daja77> hey sound great
12:50 < daja77> hi th & rxr 
12:50 < th> rxr: congratulations
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12:57 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
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12:57 Users #rocklinux:
12:57 [ Aard            ] [ dsoul    ] [ luckz    ] [ omert    ] [ StefanG] 
12:57 [ asshole|universe] [ fake     ] [ mistik1  ] [ Phantasus] [ tcr    ] 
12:57 [ blindy          ] [ Freak    ] [ mnemoc   ] [ praenti  ] [ tfing  ] 
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12:57 [ clifford        ] [ jimboy485] [ netrunne1] [ rxr      ] [ togg   ] 
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13:03 < tcr> Ah, finally got my printer functional again
13:04 < tcr> Cause for misfunction was a piec of paper that got teared off by the printer in someway and which was mixed in within printer internals
13:05 < tcr> Alas, the printer as such is functional, printing doesn't work properly nontheless, just like before. Sigh.
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13:40 < cytrinox> moin
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14:10 * netrunner test-building 2.4.26
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14:27 < daja77> netrunner: could you send me your hppa related patches please
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14:45 < valentin> @rxr: hello..
14:47 < rxr> hi valentin 
14:47 < netrunner> daja77: it's just an unfinished kernel config. clifford pointed me to a faster method, yet haven't tried it.
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14:53 < rxr> valentin: ??
14:55 < valentin> yes
14:55 < valentin> just reading some h323 docs...
14:55 < rxr> ah
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15:23 < clifford> arg! this is not even valid C !!
15:24 * clifford fixing chris "mine -x" option ..
15:33 < th> hi clifford 
15:34 < clifford> hi th.
15:37 < rxr> oh - you finally review the stuff you comitted?
15:39 < clifford> yes... ;-)
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15:55 < tfing> clifford: ack for the liggering ptlib-config, but i was sure i had cleaned everything after the mine -r openh323 yesterday
15:56 < clifford> tfing: no problem. can you discard the patch and send a new one?
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15:57 < rxr> yeah!
15:57 < rxr> at least I found a binary kernel that boots on this PowerPC embedded boars
15:57 < rxr> at least s.th. to look deeper into ...
15:59 < rxr> and I least know that the board is still functional - considering I needed over 2 hours to solder the many cables onto the tiny pins ...
16:06 < mnemoc> moin!
16:10 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: good news - DSL arrived my flat ... ;-)
16:10 < daja77> hi rxr, mnemoc & clifford
16:11 < rxr> hi daja77 
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16:12 < daja77> netrunner: well should I start a native build just for fun?
16:12 < tfing> clifford: yep, will rediff, just building now to check it is ok
16:13 < daja77> sun is promoting linux java desktop for schools >_<
16:13 < koj_00_> hi can someone help a noob with rock install (grub boot loader)?
16:16 < th> koj_00_: is that a grub specific problem?
16:16 < koj_00_> i can boot to win but not in rock
16:16 < th> sounds so.
16:16 < th> koj_00_: so can you show me your grub/menu.lst?
16:17 < koj_00_> dont have it
16:17 < th> so you don't use grub to boot into windows?
16:17 < koj_00_> i reparitioned yesterday and erased linux
16:17 < th> (in other words: grub is not in your mbr?)
16:17 < koj_00_> i install it in mbr
16:18 < th> koj_00_: so you erased linux. how do you expect to be able to boot it?
16:18 < koj_00_> it wasnt booting before onlyy win
16:18 < th> koj_00_: that's no answer
16:18 < koj_00_> i dont know how to set it up in stone install
16:18 < th> koj_00_: but one thing is sure: you can't boot an erased linux
16:19 < th> koj_00_: first you should install linux again if you plan to boot it
16:20 < koj_00_> and
16:20 < th> "and"?
16:21 < th> and what
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16:23 < th> strange - brave guy
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16:35 < blindy> moin
16:39 < mnemoc> rxr: your much desired dsl or the other poor dsl?
16:39 < mnemoc> hi daja77, th, tfing & blindy
16:42 < th> hi mnemoc 
16:46 < mnemoc> hi
16:48 < tfing> hi mnemoc 
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17:07 < rxr> mnemoc: not my favourite DSL - a high-latency, to expency, joe user DSL ...
17:07 < rxr> the only one available in the house I live (and the ones around ...)
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18:29 < rolla> re
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19:15 < rxr> rehi
19:15 < blindy> re rxr 
19:16 < rxr> so the RS/6k is now my router - instead of the iBook
19:16 < blindy> nice :)
19:16 * rxr it fall into sleep to often ;-)
19:16 < blindy> hehe
19:16 < rxr> felt or so even ...
19:17 < blindy> rxr: I need your opinion:
19:18 < blindy> rxr: what would you give a bunch of MCSEs on a Linux Systemadministration Basics Course as "Uebung" to compile?
19:19 < blindy> I have around 4 hours tomorrow and the last 1.5h are planned for kernel
19:19 < blindy> but what should I give them the first part? (around 45-60 minutes)
19:21 < rxr> with compile you mean to write and "compile" a program
19:21 < rxr> or as general term for "exercise" to do
19:22 < rxr> and it depends what you talk over in your other leassons ...
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19:23 < vladimir|semi_af> hello
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19:24 < vladimir> anyone alive here
19:24 < blindy> rxr: autotools training
19:24 < blindy> vladimir: nope
19:24 < vladimir> oh
19:27 < tcr> blindy, nethack >:]
19:28 < tcr> Oh, autotools, you said
19:28 < tcr> Sorry didn't read that
19:28 < tcr> Well, but the kernel isn't really using autotools, so what?
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19:29 < tcr> hi vladimir. If you have a question, best is you just ask it
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19:31 < vladimir> ok thanx
19:31 < vladimir> i am trying to change my resolution and it will not let me
19:31 < vladimir> i am logged as root
19:32 < tcr> vladimir, speaking of X?
19:32 < blindy> tcr: no, but the kernel is mentioned explicitly in the "Kursanforderung"
19:33 < vladimir> ye
19:33 < vladimir> yes
19:33 < vladimir> x 
19:33 < vladimir> RH distro
19:34 < tcr> blindy, What's the set of requirements anyway? Just getting it compiled and installed, or additionally some higher-skills like configurating?
19:34 < blindy> tcr: configuring is done via YaST2 >_<
19:34 < tcr> vladimir, RH? How does it come that you're here?
19:34 < blindy> tcr: so all in all compiling and installing some basic program
19:34 < rxr> vladimir: this channel is about _ROCK Linux_ ...
19:34 < blindy> I thought of apache since it has lots and lots of configure options :)
19:35 < rxr> strcmp does not match many chars in "Red Hat" and "ROCK Linux" ...
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19:35 < tcr> vladimir, anyway, the solution is to modify your XF86Config and using ctrl-alt-+, but that's in detail described on several sites. Use google and RTFM
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19:36 < tcr> blindy, Well, you know what... an interesting exercise would be to first give a pkg that just gets built out-of-the box (configure && make && make install)
19:36 < vladimir> tcr: thank you for your intelligent insight. but after reconfiguring my xconfig several times...it still does not work and even cycle to display sizes that are not listed in the xconfig file. that is the problem
19:37 < rxr> YEAHHHH!!!!
19:37 < rxr> I HAVE A SELF_COMPILED KERNEL FOR MY POWERPC BOARD - FINALLY !!!
19:37 < tcr> blindy, and then giving a pkg that needs some lib, but this lib isn't installed in the "proper" place, so that you have to pass --with-lib-foo=/somewhere to configure
19:37 < vladimir> thiis is my 4th day using linux... i did not know "-rock_linux" was excluse to whatever linux its exclusive to
19:37 < rxr> yeah!
19:38 < blindy> tcr: yeah... but personally I doubt that any of those people will be able to do that
19:38 < rxr> cytrinox: ok
19:38 < blindy> tcr: I mean... I still have to tell them each and every time to "su" and what s and u mean >_<
19:38 < rxr> what does "xrandr" give you ?
19:39 < cytrinox> rxr: hm?
19:39 < rxr> cytrinox: sorry
19:39 < rxr> I meant vladimir 
19:39 < tcr> vladimir, I apologize if I appear rude; it's just that there're specific channels for this kind of help, #linuxhelp or whatever. 
19:40 < tcr> vladimir, but nevermind, let's try to fix your problem, and for the next time you now better, ok?
19:40 * rxr is so happy I know have a working kernel for that board - marking this day in the calender very red
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19:42 < blindy> hmm
19:42 < blindy> devfs does not add md devices to /dev/discs
19:42 < blindy> that would have made that much easier ;)
19:44 < tcr> blindy, Why did you ask for advice, when all you need is a stinky pkg that uses autotools (given that it uses them properly)
19:44 < tcr> :P
19:45 < blindy> sorry >_<
19:45 * blindy hides
19:46 < blindy> guess I use dovecot
19:46 < blindy> that reminds me... still have to send the patch for that package
19:47 < blindy> first dovecot
19:47 < blindy> then apache :)
19:47 < tcr> blindy, Heh, and don't forget to wear that RTFM shirt when giving the talk
19:48 < blindy> tcr: I'm not allowed to >_<
19:48 < blindy> tcr: have to wear company-representing clothes >_<
19:48 < tcr> Take some graffitty can with you ;)
19:48 < blindy> hehe :) guess I'll go shopping tomorrow befor going there :)
19:49 < tcr> Anyway, all you have to teach 'em is RTFM... which seems like a nearly impossible task thinking of your publicum
19:51 < rxr> blindy: what about some kernel bootup basiscs - like bootloader -> kernel / initrd -> such stuff
19:52 < blindy> tcr: well, even if it would be possible, I wouldn't get much money from a 1-day course :)
19:52 < rxr> most people know far too less about such stuff ..
19:52 < rxr> many the usual how-to-configure stuff - I guess one can not expect too much in such a short course ...
19:52 < blindy> rxr: and other people than developers rarely need to know about initrd
19:53 < blindy> I have learnt about initrd around this time last year
19:53 < rxr> but they often need to - most dists use this for any bootup to load drivers and such - often people are very suprised to hear about this and need this for error tracking ...
19:53 < blindy> hmm
19:53 < blindy> guess you're right there
19:54 < blindy> I will add it to the explanation of how to add a kernel to the bootloader
19:54 < rxr> like: why the hell is my sh*t IDE and/or SCSI controler not recognized stuff
19:54 < tcr> I'd argue the same for installing software from source
19:55 < blindy> tcr: no, since SuSE pre-packaged things (and the course is to be held on SuSE) are not always what one needs/wants (bloated)
19:55 < tcr> I don't think so
19:55 < blindy> these things have so many features (for example apache comes with DAV, mod_perl and mod_php) that they have equally lots of security risks
19:56 < tcr> The only real answer is that there simply isn't prepackaged stuff for everything
19:56 < tcr> Why should non-developers, non-admins ever dare to install a webserver
19:57 < blindy> these people are admins. or at least, they should become admins in the future
19:57 < tcr> Ah, allright then
20:06 * blindy gone
20:08 < rxr> cu blindy 
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20:35 < demian> hi
20:41 < rxr> yeah - and now I have a root login:
20:41 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo                                                        
20:41 < rxr> processor       : 0                                                                        
20:41 < rxr> cpu             : 740/750                                                                  
20:41 < rxr> temperature     : 24-35 C (uncalibrated)                                                   
20:41 < rxr> revision        : 131.2 (pvr 0008 8302)                                                    
20:41 < rxr> bogomips        : 732.36                                                                   
20:41 < rxr> vendor          : Motorola MCG                                                             
20:41 < rxr> machine         : Mesquite cPCI (MCP750)           
20:46 < tcr> rxr: how fast does it feel?
20:49 < blindy> re
20:53 < rxr> the 9600 baud serial console - or the Xnest X-Server ;-)?
20:53 < rxr> and the FS is quite slow, too - / is NFS mounted ...
20:53 < rxr> and this with default options  ...
20:54 < rxr> let's raise our google rating the hardware:
20:54 < rxr> lspci                                                                
20:54 < rxr> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Motorola Raven (rev 05)                                               
20:54 < rxr> 00:0b.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/A/B PCI-to-ISA [Apollo VP] (rev 41)    
20:54 < rxr> 00:0b.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus)
20:54 < rxr> 00:0b.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 02)                                
20:54 < rxr> 00:0b.3 Non-VGA unclassified device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B ACPI (rev 10)        
20:54 < rxr> 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev )
20:54 < rxr> 00:10.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21154 (rev 05)                   
20:54 < rxr> 00:14.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21154 (rev 02)                   
20:54 < rxr> 01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)       
20:55 < rxr> 01:05.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)       
20:55 < rxr> 01:06.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)       
20:55 < rxr> 01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)     
20:55 < rxr> (...)
20:55 < blindy> wtf
20:55 < blindy> hom many eth devices has this thing
20:55 < rxr> 5 ;-)
20:55 < blindy> k
20:55 < blindy> that can route some things :)
20:55 < rxr> yes ;-)
20:56 < rxr> this is it's primary application ;-)
20:57 ::: cytrinox!~dj-nail2@p213.54.167.44.tisdip.tiscali.de has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
20:57 < rxr> and this application will soon be ROCK Linux powered
20:57 < rxr> and is has just this size:
20:57 < rxr> https://mcg.motorola.com/cfm/templates/product.cfm?PageID=895&ProductID=22&PageTypeID=1
20:58 < StefanG> sweet :)
20:58 < demian> is rock router still being maintained ?
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21:12 < asshole|universe> moin
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21:17 < cap> moin, Owly
21:17 < asshole|universe> hi cap ! heh, long time after we met us last time!
21:17 < asshole|universe> how are you?
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21:19 < cap> Owl, rich and thirsty, you know... :)
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21:46 < netrunner> any difference between $(foo) and ${foo} in a makefile?
21:47 < blindy> guess ${foo} doesn't work
21:47 < tfing> $(foo) executes foo
21:47 < tfing> ${foo} is like $foo
21:47 < tfing> oups, makefile
21:47 * tfing hides
21:51 < netrunner> blindy: it does. but I suspect there's a difference. maybe one is environment, other is makefile var?
21:52 < blindy> hmm
21:52 < blindy> no idea then...
21:52 < netrunner> :) np
21:56 ::: asshole|universe is now known as owl
21:58 < tcr> netrunner, not that I know of, possible a question of portability
21:58 < tcr> possibly
21:58 < tcr> I'd stick to parentheses
22:04 * blindy --> bed
22:04 < blindy> bye
22:04 < owl> <-- bed, too, reading, sleeping later. bye
22:10 < rxr> rehi
22:29 < mnemoc> re
22:29 < mnemoc> rxr: no more visits to valentin? ;)
22:46 < tcr> Is there a way to extract self-extractable zip files other than running windows?
22:46 < tfing> tcr: try with unzip
22:48 < tcr> tfing, doesn't work. seems to be a crappy .zip file...
22:49 < tfing> it does not work all the time
22:49 < mnemoc> is it too fat? i can tbz2 it to you if you want
22:51 < tcr> mnemoc, heh thanks dude :) but that's really not my problem. Anyway I'm just gonna use the winrouter
22:52 * mnemoc fears
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23:30 < daja77> re
23:37 < rxr> hi daja77 
23:38 * rxr just finished soldering 40 IDE wires onto an PPC embedded boars ...
23:39 < rxr> now I wonder if it is a good idea to apply power ...
23:42 < rxr> ok - board is still comming up
23:43 < rxr> hdd spinning ...
23:43 < rxr> net - booting
23:44 < rxr> wow !
23:44 < rxr> hdc: WDC AC1210F, ATA DISK drive                                                           
23:45 < rxr> hm - but the partition check is stalling
23:45 < rxr> hm
23:45 < rxr> Partition check:                                                                           
23:45 < rxr>  /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0:<4>hdc: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21             
23:45 < rxr> hdc: error waiting for DMA                                                                 
23:45 < rxr> hdc: dma timeout retry: status=0xd0 { Busy }                                               
23:45 < rxr>                                                                                            
23:45 < rxr> hm - maybe the disk is just too old ...
23:46 < rxr> hdc: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }                 
23:46 < rxr> hdc: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
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23:49 < daja77> urgs
23:50 < Lorini> hi aja
23:50 < Lorini> daja
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23:52 < daja77> hi Lorini brb
23:54 < rxr> ok - next try - w/ a known to be functional CD-ROM
23:54 < rxr> hm - not too bad:
23:54 < rxr> Probing IDE interface ide0...                                                              
23:55 < rxr> Probing IDE interface ide1...                                                              
23:55 < rxr> hdd: LG CD-ROM CRD-8521B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive                                           
23:55 < rxr> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15                                                        
23:55 < rxr> hdd: attached ide-cdrom driver.                                                            
23:55 < rxr> hdd: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, DMA                                              
23:55 < rxr> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12            
23:57 < rxr> damn CD-ROM - is this drive also unfunctional
23:57 * rxr wonders if I have usable IDE crap in-house
23:58 < daja77> :)
--- Log closed Sam Apr 17 00:00:13 2004