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01:00 < Pupeno> hi... I was wondering, how well suited is rock linux to build a user friendly distribution on top of it/based on it (I didn't have contact with Rock Linux yet). What I'd need to have is a nice set of packaged software to be installed with a nice graphical too (I'll code that) as well as a nice installer.
01:10 < Pupeno> nobody here ?
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02:28 < mnemoc> Pupeno: that's the purpose of RockLinux :)
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04:17 < Pupeno> mnemoc: ok, I'll give it a try tomorrow.
04:17 < mnemoc> you need to create a 'target'
04:18 < mnemoc> that target can hack everything in your build process
04:20 < Pupeno> mnemoc: what I'm most intrested, is there a nice packaging system ?
04:20 < mnemoc> .gem
04:21 < mnemoc> and `mine` tool to handle them
04:21 < Pupeno> gem ?
04:53 < mnemoc> rock's propietary file format
04:53 < mnemoc> tar.bz2 + metadata
04:53 < mnemoc> on a cdb file
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10:28 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
10:28 ::: Topic set by SMP  Mon Mar  8 01:33:41 2004
10:28 Users #rocklinux:
10:28 [ _NULL_  ] [ daja77] [ Freak  ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rolla  ] [ th  ] 
10:28 [ Aard    ] [ darix ] [ ija    ] [ netcrow  ] [ rxr    ] [ togg] 
10:28 [ blindy  ] [ dex   ] [ k3t_   ] [ netrunner] [ SMP    ] [ true] 
10:28 [ BoS     ] [ dsoul ] [ luckz  ] [ nookie_  ] [ StefanG] 
10:28 [ clifford] [ fake  ] [ mistik1] [ Pupeno   ] [ tfing  ] 
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10:28 < netrunner> moin
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10:52 < aloliver> hello
10:52 < aloliver> may someone tell me how to make my rocklinux start with X?
10:53 < aloliver> does anyone read me?
10:56 < BoS> change the runlevel from2 to 5
10:56 < aloliver> i tried but didnt work :(
10:56 < BoS> error msg?
10:57 < aloliver> no error message
10:57 < aloliver> just start normally
10:57 < aloliver> i tried runlevels 2,3,4,5 but no change
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11:06 < netrunner> hm, maybe he should configure his X ...
11:07 < BoS> maybe - he dosn`t write it about his configure
11:20 * netrunner would like to know why his X dies after some time with xscreensaver :/
11:20 < BoS> *gg*
11:36 < netrunner> very funny.
11:46 < rxr> re
11:46 < daja77> hi rxr 
11:46 < rxr> netrunner: a open-gl screensaver?
11:47 < netrunner> rxr: no idea. just when I come back after a while, I see the console and cannot type any more.
11:47 < netrunner> the update I commited didn't help
11:48 < netrunner> Fatal server error: Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
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12:06 < rxr> netrunner: you should find out if it is 3d related - many DRI/DRM combinations are not stable enough for some load-cases ....
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12:39 < netrunner> rxr: good point, seemed to be the GLEidoscope, other GL things work.
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14:34 < rolla> re
14:44 < rxr> hi rolla 
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15:30 < netrunner> damn, there seems to be another module that crashes it. now that I am at uni, my builder is offline again :(
15:32 < daja77> hm?
15:32 < daja77> ah the X thing
15:32 < netrunner> xscreensaver makes higher level functions cease. it still responds to pings, but cannot ssh there any more.
15:32 < daja77> netrunner: btw do you have a precomiled hppa kernel with nfs suppor?
15:33 < netrunner> nope. cannot do anything when my build server always dies :(
15:33 < daja77> why you use that screensavers anyway
15:33 < netrunner> it is enabled by default in xfce
15:33 < daja77> ugh
15:33 < daja77> what graphics driver you are using
15:34 < netrunner> cannot check :)
15:34 < daja77> :)
15:35 < daja77> that "nice" debian kernel ships without nfs support *grml*
15:35 < netrunner> hm, this prof uses some pad thing to write on it.
15:35 < netrunner> daja77: maybe it does not work ;)
15:36 < daja77> i hvae no idea how i should do that port thing without nfs
15:36 < daja77> and no smb isn't included as well
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15:40 < _NULL_> moin
15:40 < _NULL_> someone wants to laugh?
15:42 < netrunner> moin 0, since when do you care about laughter?
15:43 < _NULL_> hmm. dunno. today i just had a very amusing "date" with a psychiatrist... 
15:43 < netrunner> did he feel attracted to you?
15:44 < _NULL_> nah. date as in meeting/treffen/termin
15:44 < netrunner> ;)
15:44 < _NULL_> he told me, that the evil voices from inside me (i never had such things), are caused by an alien which is inside me and this alien tells me that "life has no sense" and such crap
15:45 < _NULL_> !!! *roflmao* after that i was only laughing! 
15:45 < daja77> you bear an alien, I knew it 
15:45 * daja77 hides
15:46 < _NULL_> hehe.. sure :p
15:46 * _NULL_ whispers to her alien to hit daja77 :p
15:46 * daja77 whistles to owl's alien to hit her back
15:47 < _NULL_> pfff. *kick* :p
15:47 < daja77> :)
15:48 < _NULL_> how are you?
15:48 < netrunner> round.
15:48 < daja77> feeling great thx
15:48 < netrunner> :)
15:48 < daja77> netrunner: eat too much?
15:48 * netrunner listening to a boring introduction of the lecture "distributed applications"
15:49 < netrunner> daja77: my gf told me so yesterday. cannot see what she meant though :/
15:49 < daja77> *headsahke* bavarians *ggg*
15:49 < _NULL_> O_o netrunner and fat? aeh?!!! 
15:49 < _NULL_> netrunner: enjoy it 
15:50 < netrunner> 0: you do not know me, you cannot judge :)
15:50 < daja77> girls always tell you things like that
15:50 < netrunner> daja77: yeah, think so too. but she want's to cut sweets consumption 
15:50 < _NULL_> netrunner: but i saw a photo some time ago
15:50 < _NULL_> daja77: eh, not true!
15:51 < daja77> _NULL_: not?
15:51 < _NULL_> daja77: not. at least /me not (cause my bf's weight is very low)
15:58 * netrunner mirroring cygwin release. stupid that they do not have a 'latest' download-utility for linux
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16:45 < netrunner> oh, xorg also switched to xorg
16:45 < netrunner> uh, cygwin I mean.
16:50 < mnemoc> moin
17:08 < blindy> moin
17:13 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
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17:27 < mnemoc> moin blindy, netrunner 
17:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
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17:42 < blindy> ok, RAID patch sent
17:44 < netrunner> when I smap'ed many patches, how can I see which I had? so I can send a test-report
17:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr
17:47 < daja77> you could keep that webpage with tat collection ^^
18:28 < rolla> anyone seen Mike?
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18:33 < daja77> rolla: yep yesterday, he is off for aconference now
18:33 < rolla> ah okay
18:33 < daja77> giving a rocklinux speech there
18:49 < christian_> hi daja77 :) 
18:49 < christian_> was mike at the ccc meeting in december?
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19:08 < rxr> hi ChristianQt 
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19:46 < rxr> ChristianQt: nope mike was not there :-(
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19:51 < daja77> w
19:51 < daja77> damn
19:52 < netrunner> daja77: did I send you the slides stuff from easterhegg?
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19:53 < daja77> nope you didn't
19:57 < netrunner> hm, at least I wanted to, they are already on http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/index.html
19:57 * netrunner building ROCKuml
19:59 < daja77> ah cool thx
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20:08 < ChristianQt> rxr, thanks
20:08 < ChristianQt> rxr have you got his emailaddress?
20:09 < rxr> ChristianQt: I would need to look it up - you should also find one in the developers gallery on the hp
20:09 < ChristianQt> rxr - ah okay thanks i will have a look
20:09 < ChristianQt> rxr - how's the ui installation going on`
20:11 < rxr> oehm - not yet started - too much other stuff
20:12 < ChristianQt> rxr - ah oki. :) 
20:13 < daja77> rxr: any voip news?=
20:13 < rxr> daja77: no - I got no further mail back
20:14 < daja77> hm
20:14 < rxr> du hast the fwd's bekommen=
20:14 < rxr> ? even
20:14 < daja77> yep
20:15 < ChristianQt> there was an discussion on the mailinglist about changing the name... what about this? 
20:15 < rxr> oh - sorry back en
20:15 < rxr> ChristianQt: not yet important - since no Hurd/ObenBSD stuff done
20:15 < rxr> daja77: have you wrote them your resume?
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20:33 < netrunner> hehe patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
20:33 < daja77> netrunner: cksum patch stuff?=
20:34 < netrunner> tried to smap 2004041909283509504 ... not so urgent ;)
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20:36 < netrunner> ah, no , I accidentally hit # at the end of the number ;)
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20:54 < netrunner> oh, cool, uml kernel finished.
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20:59 < netrunner> hm, now only create a root_fs from the build/uml ...
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21:17 < netrunner> oh, ebay.* offline?
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21:20 < valentin> hi
21:21 < daja77> kde 3.2.2 is out ^^
21:23 < rxr> yes, saw this
21:23 < rxr>  hi valentin 
21:24 < daja77> hi valentin 
21:24 < valentin> hi
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21:28 < rxr> hi dex 
21:54 < netrunner> I need a workaround for uml _if_ the host running the uml is 2.6 and the uml is 2.4. so how to do this? `uname -r` in build script? config option?
21:56 < rxr> netrunner: depends
21:56 < rxr> what kind of work around?
21:57 < netrunner> kernel patch
21:57 < rxr> and it does only need to be applied for this combination?
22:02 < netrunner> jup, at least as far as I read. but I'll try if it has impact on a 2.4->2.4 situation.
22:02 < netrunner> is anybody else working on an uml target btw?
22:03 < daja77> hm is there no patch for 2.4.26 available or am I just blind
22:03 < netrunner> no. but the old still applies.
22:04 < daja77> hm?
22:04 < netrunner> daja77: are we talking about the same subject? ;)
22:04 < daja77> dunno
22:08 < netrunner> uml?
22:08 < daja77> no
22:08 < netrunner> so what patch do you need? 
22:08 < daja77> just kernel update due security problems
22:08 < netrunner> oh, I wanted to build one but forgot :/
22:08 < netrunner> do you or shall I?
22:09 < rxr> cu later
22:09 < daja77> i could do that, just have to wait for that download a bit longer, but doesn't matter
22:09 < daja77> cu rxr
22:09 < netrunner> cu rxr
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22:11 < daja77> Downloading download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2
22:11 < daja77> k. let's give it a try
22:16 * netrunner has ROCKuml running. tadaaa :)
22:16 < daja77> :)
22:16 < netrunner> daja77: oh, stop. I remember darkly a patch that refuses to apply
22:17 < netrunner> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/sparc64/defconfig.rej
22:17 < daja77> so i should delete that patch?
22:17 < netrunner>  /usr/src/rock-trunk/package/base/linux24/06-devfs-default.patch 
22:17 < netrunner> better not, name looks important :)
22:17 < netrunner> I haven't continued from there. 
22:18 < daja77> ah that one should be easy to rediff 
22:19 < daja77> it is just switching devfs on in config files
22:19 < netrunner> ah ok.
22:27 < _NULL_> remoin
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22:36 < darix> is there a howto build without root?
22:36 < daja77> no because it is not pssible atm
22:40 < darix> daja77: what is missing?
22:40 < darix> or better
22:41 < darix> what parts do need root?
22:41 < SMP> the parts that install all root-owned or not root-owned files?
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22:45 < darix> SMP: fakeroot package 
22:45 < darix> or sudo
22:45 < [DaGuesT]> hello
22:45 < darix> SMP: and i an build rpms without need of root =)
22:45 < darix> even without sudo/fakeroot.
22:45 < SMP> sudo is not without root
22:45 < [DaGuesT]> is this true that rock linux is the "son" of slackware ?
22:46 < [DaGuesT]> (sorry for my english i'm french)
22:46 < darix> SMP: but it minimizes the time the build process doesnt run as root most of the time..
22:46 < darix> [DaGuesT]: not really a usefull question
22:46 < daja77> darix: we know about falkeroot and it is on cliffords todo afaik, so be patient
22:47 < darix> what would be a son of a linux distribution.
22:47 < darix> daja77: im always patient. but do i know clifford's todo? do i really want to know it?=)
22:47 < [DaGuesT]> darix: i would say that slackware and rock have "similitudes"
22:48 < daja77> ROCKLinux is no derivate work of any linux distribution, so we are not the son of slackware :)
22:48 < daja77> darix: i told you because you don't know ...
22:48 < darix> daja77: it sounds so vorwurfsvoll :)
22:48 < [DaGuesT]> "similitudes":likenesses
22:49 < daja77> darix: no
22:49 < [DaGuesT]> ok so i will try rock linux as soon as possible , thanks a lot ,+
22:49 < daja77> np
22:49 < darix> [DaGuesT]: than gentoo must be the daughter of slackware. but anyways the comparison sucks. :)
22:50 < [DaGuesT]> =)
22:50 < SMP> yeah, gentoo is the little, slutty daughter of slack. everyone f*cks with it
22:50 < SMP> <political_correctness>
22:50 < daja77> well speaking of afathers and sons is not so much unpoppular in computer science, so I don't have a problem saying things like that
22:51 < darix> SMP: it's very good in f*cking up ;)
22:51 < SMP> daja77: it's popular, not scientific ;)
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22:52 < daja77> *gg* even science books refer to fathers and sons when talking about trees e.g.
22:53 < SMP> gee, how slow is this redhat.com mailing list thingie
22:55 < daja77> ah yes got no bugreports from rh this time
22:55 < Pupeno> hello
22:55 * Pupeno reads redhat and watches the channel name... *confused*
22:56 < daja77> adjust your hilights, man ;)
22:56 < Pupeno> just joking.
22:57 < daja77> *gg*
22:57 < Pupeno> I'm intrested in playing with making my own distro... and for that, I choosed Rock linux.
22:57 < daja77> good choice
22:58 < StefanG> hehe :)
23:26 < Pupeno> Is there documentation about the packaging system ?
23:27 < daja77> yes
23:29 < Pupeno> where ?
23:30 < daja77> what information do you want
23:31 < Pupeno> I'd like to know, in the end, how to make packages, but right now, how good it resolves dependencies.
23:31 < daja77> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch14.html#x53-11000014
23:31 < daja77> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch21.html#x95-17900021
23:32 < Pupeno> thanks :)
23:33 < Pupeno> Is there a nice re-usable installer ? or do I have to code one myself ?
23:33 < daja77> stone is what you are looking for
23:37 < Pupeno> ROCK aims to use as few patches on packages as possible.
23:37 * Pupeno grins
23:37 < daja77> ;)
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23:43 < Pupeno> reading the handbook I understand that this can be achieved:
23:44 < Pupeno> I can make another distro based on Rock and use all the same Rock packages (kernel, glibc, gcc, x, etc) except for a part where I need customization (kde and k applicaitons) ?
23:46 < daja77> archlinux, perhaps?
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