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00:17 < rxr> rehi
00:18 < rxr> SMP: still around
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00:38 < valentin> rxr: are you still 'here' ?
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07:24 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
07:24 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004
07:24 Users #rocklinux:
07:24 [ Aard ] [ darix] [ k3t__ ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ true ]
07:24 [ blindy ] [ dsoul] [ luckz ] [ netrunner] [ StefanG] [ valentin]
07:24 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ nookie ] [ tfing ]
07:24 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ]
07:24 [ daja77 ] [ ija ] [ nagi ] [ rxr ] [ togg ]
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08:48 < netrunner> gcc 3.4 https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html
08:56 < netrunner> oh, cool. scripts/Cleanup does not unmount directories -> removal of build dir just wiped my tree :(
08:57 < netrunner> and my download dir :((
09:03 < blindy> moin
09:04 < blindy> restore the backup :)
09:08 < netrunner> blindy: *kick*
09:08 < netrunner> I have a backup for hardware faults, not for stupid scripts.
09:08 < netrunner> I'll remove write access for my download dir.
09:18 < blindy> netrunner: what do you think about the RAID thing?
09:24 < blindy> d'oh
09:24 < netrunner> what raid thing? in stone?
09:24 < blindy> just saw that my smtpd didn't run since yesterday
09:24 < blindy> netrunner: yes
09:24 < netrunner> haven't looked at it.
09:25 < blindy> damn
09:33 < rxr> hi - moin all
09:33 < netrunner> hi rxr
09:34 < rxr> netrunner: please report this grave data loss problem to the list and CC clifford
09:35 < blindy> moin rxr
09:35 < q_a_z_steve> where can I find cheap linux cds? like $1???
09:35 < q_a_z_steve> where can I find cheap linux cds? like $1???
09:35 < blindy> buy CD-Rs, download ISOs, burn.
09:36 < q_a_z_steve> ha ha, try loading those on old systems...
09:37 < rxr> what have old systems to do with this
09:37 < rxr> my 40Mhz SPARC Station II likes such downloads ...
09:38 < blindy> rxr: you haven't by any chance already had a look at my RAID patch?
09:38 < q_a_z_steve> my compaq 4770 or something and my IBM aptiva don't.
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09:40 < rxr> blindy: no :-(
09:40 < blindy> damn
09:40 < blindy> I want to use something similiar in my course today and hoped for some feedback.
09:40 < blindy> Ah, alright then. Must work out as it is :)
09:44 < netrunner> hm, this also removed all my work for ROCKuml :(
10:07 < blindy> anyone here has experience with a spacemouse?
10:12 < rxr> no
10:15 < blindy> hmm
10:33 < daja77> netrunner: you could add this to my bug report
10:44 < valentin> moin
10:50 < daja77> nice, there is a speech about how to implement a spyware toolkit for win32, today at university
10:50 < daja77> moin valentin
10:58 < blindy> insert Windows CD - install - done
11:37 < th> anyone running accellerated X on epia with rock?
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11:41 < daja77> blindy: i once used such thing with opengl, but that's all
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12:13 < rxr> rehi
12:13 < rxr> hi valentin
12:14 < valentin> hi rene
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12:36 < nagi> moin
12:37 < rxr> moin nagi
12:37 < nagi> hi rxr
12:37 < valentin> hi
12:38 < nagi> hi valentin
12:39 < rxr> valentin: you got my ppc embedded patch?
12:39 < valentin> which one ?
12:39 < valentin> oh yes
12:39 < rxr> oehm - send this morning?
12:39 < rxr> sent even ..
12:40 < rxr> I hope it makes it into 2.6.6 final
12:40 < rxr> stupid convertion mistakes - seems not many people compile this code path ...
12:41 < valentin> Probably the kernel crew will reject it - due to a lack of cryptic hacks.
12:43 < rxr> yeak - like adding some macros to strip uneeded args away ...
12:43 < rxr> updated snd-powermac in kernel memory now - not yet crashed
12:44 < rxr> cool! works
12:44 < rxr> now ADC is enabled on the fly (as done int the ugly OSS driver)!
12:45 < rxr> I just forgot to update the user-space control - so it is not visible in the mixer - but this is easy ...
12:56 < rxr> hm
12:56 < rxr> not that easy - strange kernel code
12:57 < rxr> ah!
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13:12 < rxr> hm - getting this control changed withint the kernel toook the most time in this kernel modification ...
13:12 < rxr> damn C hacks ...
13:18 < rxr> cool works
13:18 < rxr> valentin: wanna test the patch
13:18 < rxr> I still need to fix the first init
13:18 < rxr> but headphone plugging around now works
13:19 < rxr> and in addition toggles the DRC swtich
13:19 < rxr> (if the headphone detection is enabled)
13:19 < rxr> (in fact called auto mute ...)
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13:23 < valentin> rxr:just send me the patch
13:30 < rxr> test
13:32 < rxr> valentin: when I'm at this ALSA beast - what problems do you remember in the driver I could fix now|
13:32 < rxr> ?
13:34 < valentin> wakeup mixer settings, smarter behavior when pluging/unpluging headphone jack
13:34 < rxr> the smarter behavior is fixed
13:34 < rxr> with my patch
13:34 < valentin> alsamixer reacts ?
13:35 < rxr> sure
13:35 < valentin> c00l
13:35 < rxr> hm - for me sleep / resuem just wors
13:35 < rxr> worked
13:35 < rxr> please report if this still happens
13:35 < rxr> hm wait
13:35 < rxr> I have errors in my syslog ...
13:40 < rxr> just as notice - I log the channel now - so we have it for the homepage again ...
13:46 < blindy> good ^_^
13:47 < valentin> so be careful what you say.
13:47 < blindy> ehm... I've always been faster in typing than thinking so this might be a little problem...
13:48 < valentin> on the other hand - logs of pointless discussions on random topics help goolge-bombing our sites ;)
13:53 < rxr> yes - this is why we have them
13:54 < valentin> hm. alsa-driver compiled.
13:55 < valentin> rxr: to this point your patch works.
14:03 * valentin off for some pizza
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14:04 < rxr> valentin: TK ?
14:05 < valentin> rxr: yes
14:15 < valentin> finished pizza, still hungry...
14:17 < rxr> hm - I need also some food ...
14:17 < valentin> rxr: aftersome problems reprobing my modules playback works as usual - mixer settings were not recoverable because there was a control name mismatch for channel #8 (DRC Switch/DRC Range)
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14:24 < valentin> --- human/powersupply/stomach.c2003-09-25 20:55:43.000000000 +0200
14:24 < valentin> +++ human/powersupply/stomach.c2004-04-22 12:02:49.000000000 +0200
14:24 < valentin> if (empty)
14:24 < valentin> - send_msg("/dev/brain", "hunger");
14:24 < valentin> + set_sig_ignore(SIG_WARN_LOWPOWER);
14:25 < StefanG> lol :)
14:26 < valentin> then we still need to patch away form life.c "if (power == 0) -> exit (-1);:
14:27 < rxr> ,)
14:34 < netrunner> wee, I found an old version of my uml target in another dir ;)
14:34 < netrunner> always good to have more test trees :)
14:35 < rxr> pcm.!default {
14:35 < rxr> type plug
14:35 < rxr> slave.pcm "dmixer"
14:35 < rxr> }
14:35 < rxr> sorry I slipped on my touchpad
14:35 < valentin> hm ?
14:36 < valentin> rxr: is this supposed to be "C" ?
14:36 < rxr> nope
14:36 < th> reads like alsa conf
14:36 < th> or sorta
14:36 < rxr> asoundrc fluff
14:36 < th> gotcha ;)
14:36 < SMP> th: read mail ...
14:36 < th> SMP: at once
14:37 < SMP> and switch on Jabber ;)
14:37 < th> SMP: aye
14:39 < rxr> cool!
14:42 < rxr> oh my god this damn C crap:
14:42 < rxr> $ ogg123 /home/new-mp3/Pink/track01.cdda.ogg --device=wav
14:42 < rxr> Audio Device: WAV file output
14:42 < rxr> Playing: /home/new-mp3/Pink/track01.cdda.ogg
14:42 < rxr> Error: wav requires an output filename to be specified with -f.
14:42 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
14:42 < daja77> O_o
14:42 < rxr> valentin: I know have software mixed streams on my iBook
14:42 < valentin> know or now ?
14:42 < rxr> + the correctly converted sample rate == correct play speed in xms
14:43 < rxr> now
14:45 < rxr> ok - now when ALSA is workig so good on my iBook I can go and grab some food - cu
14:46 < daja77> wow only one build error so far and that's just a build order problem
14:46 < daja77> cu rxr
14:46 < rxr> daja77: trunk oder 2.0.1 ?
14:46 < daja77> trunk + submaster patches
14:46 < daja77> selected submaster patches
14:47 < rxr> ok - cu
15:28 < netrunner> alias rm="mkdir -p /tmp/trash; mv -v $* /tmp/trash/"
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16:58 < rxr> hi jsaw
17:07 * netrunner is not sure if that join was caused by user action ;)
17:07 < mnemoc> moin
17:07 < netrunner> this one was. moin mnemoc :)
17:08 < mnemoc> :)
17:08 < mnemoc> (what a cute google logo)
17:08 < daja77> hi mnemoc
17:08 < mnemoc> happy earth day daja77
17:09 < daja77> thx
17:09 < netrunner> what is earth day?
17:09 < mnemoc> today is earth birthday :)
17:09 < daja77> O_o
17:09 < daja77> how old?
17:09 < mnemoc> she doesn't wanna tell
17:10 < daja77> women ...
17:11 < mnemoc> women :\
17:11 < daja77> you have lots of them ^^
17:12 < mnemoc> hell yeah =)
17:12 < mnemoc> 4
17:12 < netrunner> hm? polygamic?
17:12 < daja77> 4?
17:12 < mnemoc> wife + 2xdaughters + female dog
17:12 < daja77> lol
17:12 < mnemoc> mother + 2 sisters
17:13 < mnemoc> mother of my wife and 4 sisters of my wife
17:13 < mnemoc> lots of them
17:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: already found a nerd for your doughters? ;)
17:13 < mnemoc> they are too young for that
17:13 < rxr> netrunner: you have one ...
17:14 < daja77> to create more
17:14 * daja77 hide
17:14 < daja77> +s
17:14 < mnemoc> O_o
17:15 < daja77> .oO (forking)
17:18 < netrunner> rxr: didn't want to apply, long distance relations don't work.
17:18 < daja77> long distance, huh?
17:18 < mnemoc> huh?
17:18 * netrunner updating tree on $biglaptop to pull all sources at uni tonight.
17:19 < daja77> ah yes you joined the club of repository removers :\
17:21 < netrunner> apply for your doughters :) to far away
17:21 < daja77> they are kids!
17:22 < mnemoc> i has thinking in SMP's hashed download dir, isn't it better to use two levels of hashing insteasd of one? a/alsa-blah.tar.bz2 vs. a/al/alsa-blah.tar.bz2 ?
17:22 < netrunner> it was a joke several lines ago.
17:22 < netrunner> I do not know them, nor (did) I know their age
17:22 < mnemoc> late-joking
17:22 < netrunner> arg
17:23 * netrunner testing his new headphone
17:38 * netrunner driving to uni fetching download/
17:48 < rolla> re
17:49 < rxr> oehm - just found a unnice svn behaviour
17:50 < daja77> which
17:50 < rxr> svn mv 1 2
17:50 < rxr> vi 2
17:50 < rxr> svn diff
17:51 < rxr> just shows the modifications made by vi
17:51 < rxr> this sucks for passing patches arround - and I guess will be a problem for submaster
17:53 < mnemoc> svn diff should show 'meta diff' info too
17:53 < mnemoc> like renames and permission changes
17:58 < rxr> yes sure
17:58 < rxr> I pointed the svn crew to this months ago
17:59 < rxr> they have in on the todo list for 1.1 or the next free minute ...
18:01 * mnemoc kicks darix
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19:01 < Pupeno> doesn't rocklinux offer the UTF-8 locales ?
19:12 < rxr> it should
19:16 < SMP> Pupeno: what's missing?
19:27 < Pupeno> after installing the whole system, it asks me for the locale, en_US.UTF-8 is not listed (or I couldn't find it)
19:27 < rxr> hm - maybe the STONE list does not include it ...
19:27 < SMP> yes, the stone module lacks it
19:28 < SMP> just set in in /etc/profile.d/locale
19:28 < Pupeno> err... what tool is now used to update my system ?
19:28 < rxr> SMP: could you fix the stone locale thing ?
19:30 < Pupeno> may I run that configuration application that was run after installing again ? (After having booted up the installed system)
19:30 < rxr> yes - just enter stone
19:31 < Pupeno> rxr: it gave me an error.
19:31 < rxr> oehm - then you did install too less packages ... ;-)
19:31 < rxr> stone -text might work then ...
19:32 < Pupeno> . /usr/sbin/stone: line 68: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
19:32 < Pupeno> stone -text the same error, and I installed the whole 3cds drock.
19:33 < rxr> oehm - you do not run the devfsd ?
19:33 < Pupeno> rxr: it seems is not running, I started as single user since the other way didn't work (X was not right).
19:34 < Pupeno> ok, stone is now working.
19:35 < Pupeno> it seems it wasn't x...
19:48 < SMP> /dev/fd/ is from /etc/conf/devfs
19:49 < SMP> it's run at boot and ... bash --login should run it somehow it uid == 0
19:50 < rxr> AFAIR devfsd also does create the link
19:58 < Pupeno> running /etc/init.d/devfsd start solved the problem.
19:59 < Pupeno> anyway, how do I make it not switch to frame buffer at such a big resolution (1024x768) that this poor old malnfunctioning monitor doesn't support ?
20:00 < rxr> Pupeno: which grafik card is this?
20:00 < rxr> most probably you want to prevent the module load anyway:
20:00 < Pupeno> rxr: on-board intel i810 or something like that.
20:00 < daja77> ah they suck
20:01 < Pupeno> daja77: but the problem is not the graphic card!
20:01 < SMP> just don't use framebuffer at all ...
20:01 < daja77> .
20:01 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html
20:01 < rxr> just use the kernel parameters as in any other distribution
20:01 < rxr> vga=normal
20:01 < SMP> they all suck, unless the hardware really is a framebuffer and not just a graphics card
20:02 < Pupeno> SMP: what hardware is a framebuffer ?
20:03 < SMP> most UNIX workstations?
20:04 < SMP> anything that doesn't have a text mode ;)
20:04 < daja77> :)
20:04 < Pupeno> I think I've never seen a UNIX workstation.
20:05 < rxr> :-(
20:05 < daja77> that's a pity
20:07 < Pupeno> even with vga=normal, the screen is all scrambled after booting up.
20:08 < rxr> you have a remote login ?
20:08 < rxr> lsmod tells you, what?
20:08 < Pupeno> rxr: it seems the network is not really working yet, but I can log in blindly and start x
20:09 < rxr> and x works?
20:09 < daja77> speaking of that, it seems i could get remote login to an amd64 for more than a few hours soon
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20:09 < Pupeno> yes, I configured it with a low resolution that works with this monitor.
20:09 < rxr> ok
20:09 < rxr> I'm only interested in `lsmod`
20:09 < Pupeno> what part of it ?
20:09 < Pupeno> oh, the fonts of the konsole are really weird, like gothic or something like that :(
20:10 < Pupeno> xterm runs better.
20:10 < Pupeno> ok, lsmod shows
20:10 < Pupeno> i830
20:10 < rxr> the intel fb module is loaded and is named=
20:10 < rxr> ah - ok enough
20:10 < rxr> take your favourite editor and edit
20:10 < Pupeno> i810_rng (unused)
20:10 < Pupeno> yeap ?
20:11 < rxr> /etc/conf/pci
20:11 < rxr> PCI_SKIP_MODULES=""
20:11 < Pupeno> yes...
20:11 < Pupeno> which one ?
20:11 < rxr> PCI_SKIP_MODULES="i830"
20:11 < rxr> to prevent ROCK Plug auto loading the framebuffer module ...
20:12 < Pupeno> ok, thanks...
20:12 < Pupeno> let's see.
20:12 < rxr> the URL I pasted above would explain it, too:
20:12 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html
20:13 < Pupeno> it still scrambles the screen after booting.
20:14 < rxr> oehm - is the module sitll loaded?
20:14 < daja77> have you set a wrong system font or sth like that?
20:15 < rxr> 2 things come into mind:
20:15 < Pupeno> daja77: I didn't set any font. and it looks like video scrambled (frecuencies too high)
20:15 < daja77> k.
20:15 < rxr> 1. Have you edited the file correctly - it is a shell file - so you only can but one SKIP line into it
20:15 < rxr> not two -
20:15 < rxr> 2. do you use ROCK Plug? cat /etc/conf/hardware
20:15 < rxr> should show:
20:15 < rxr> HARDWARE_SETUP=rockplug
20:16 < rxr> I need to go now ...
20:16 < rxr> cu
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20:20 < Pupeno> the config files seems to be right, but the module is loaded anyway.
20:38 < Pupeno> where is the ./scripts/ directory ?
20:38 < daja77> /usr/src/rock-src
20:40 < Pupeno> daja77: si there a repository of binary packages for updating ?
20:40 < daja77> no
20:41 < Pupeno> oh :(
20:41 < Pupeno> so, there's no tool to manage such thing, right ?
20:42 < Pupeno> like apt-
20:42 < daja77> not yet implemented no
20:42 < Pupeno> are there plans ?
20:42 < daja77> yes
20:43 < Pupeno> may I help ?
20:44 < daja77> ask on the ml for that
20:44 < Pupeno> ml=mailing list ?
20:45 < daja77> yes
20:45 < Pupeno> ok
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20:49 < blindy> moin
20:50 < nagi> hi trekkie3k , blindy
20:54 < rolla> wow this xorg is great :)
20:55 < Pupeno> rolla: really ?
20:55 < Pupeno> how do I list the installed packages ?
20:55 < daja77> mine -q
20:55 < Pupeno> kewl
20:57 < rolla> daja77:
20:58 < daja77> rolla: :)
20:59 < nagi> daja77:
20:59 < nagi> rolla:
20:59 < nagi> :ppp
20:59 < nagi> true:
20:59 < nagi> *kick*
20:59 < rolla> owl :)
21:00 < daja77> hi owl
21:00 < nagi> hi daja77
21:00 < netrunner> rolla: built&tried or read spec?
21:01 < true> nagi: why you're kicking me?
21:01 < daja77> it is her nature
21:01 < rolla> netrunner: I am runnning it right now
21:02 < nagi> true: not only you. i just kicked three people - because they - aeh - deserved it *vbeg*
21:02 < true> i.c.
21:03 < nagi> true: *giving you a neverending hug* :p better?
21:03 < daja77> no
21:05 < true> nagi: better than kicking :p
21:05 < netrunner> rolla: wow. my next build will also contain it.
21:05 < nagi> true: hehe. well. :)
21:07 < daja77> netrunner: downloaded everything?
21:07 < Pupeno> If I wanted to update kde (from 3.2.0 to 3.2.2), should I build from sources ?
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21:08 < daja77> there are no binaries for kde 3.2.2 atm iirc
21:09 < Pupeno> daja77: and for kde 3.2.1 ?
21:10 < daja77> I have some, but a slow connection
21:10 < Pupeno> daja77: but nothing oficial ?
21:11 < daja77> well I did build official isos once ..
21:11 < daja77> there are no online repos for that packages afaik
21:13 < Pupeno> It'd be nice if there's was an official rock linux distro release and a official repository for updates (Even if there's no updating tool yet)
21:15 < blindy> there's both of it
21:16 < fake> https://f4k3.net/~fake/bus/ <- j0!
21:16 < blindy> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/
21:16 < blindy> and scripts/Update-System
21:17 < Pupeno> blindy: well, that is Desktop Rock, not Rock Linux (if you get my point) and where is the repository of update packages ?
21:17 < daja77> scripts/Update-System is considered broken
21:17 < daja77> Pupeno: so what
21:17 < blindy> fake: yours?
21:17 < nagi> hi fake
21:18 < Pupeno> daja77: well, I think other people would expect, like me, to have an official Rock Linux distro called Rock Linux and Desktop Rock to be another 'target'.
21:18 < blindy> Pupeno: actually, I don't get it. the generic build wouldn't be of much use to an average user.
21:18 < daja77> blindy: why
21:19 < fake> blindy: yeah. and i'm gonna get our booth decoration with it, if you don't get it soon!
21:19 < blindy> daja77: drock is more desktop-friendly.
21:19 < fake> blindy: it's family-owned.
21:19 < Pupeno> blindy: it would be of much use to any user wanting a base to start building another distro and for anyone not intrested in desktop spefic things.
21:19 < blindy> fake: punch praenti about storage-space!
21:20 < fake> /punch praenti
21:20 < daja77> blindy: depends
21:20 < fake> you can dump it @fake if you're out of space
21:20 < daja77> it is not that much different
21:20 < blindy> fake: he's the one who said that he'd provide that.
21:20 < blindy> daja77, Pupeno: I see
21:22 < Pupeno> I think that current desktop rock makes not a lot of sense for a real user friendly easy to install desktop but it seems like a very, very good generic porpoise distribution (like Debian or Gentoo) that can be used from there or that can be used to build other distros (being that Rock is a distribution building kit)
21:22 < Pupeno> just my personal opinion.
21:24 < Pupeno> BTW, where's the update repository ?
21:26 < daja77> you don't listen, there are no official package repositories yet
21:27 < Pupeno> blindy said something about it.
21:30 < daja77> there are only isos on that url
21:31 < Pupeno> ok...
21:34 < netrunner> fake: I sm committed the linuxrc update since you didn't ... maybe you discard yours?
21:34 < fake> netrunner: sure.
21:35 * daja77 reading gentoo docs and feeling sick
21:35 * nagi gives daja77 an kotzkuebel
21:35 < netrunner> fake: you bought that thing? looks quite ... used
21:35 * daja77 tanks nagi
21:36 < daja77> thanks even
21:36 < nagi> hehe. you're welcome
21:37 < daja77> ;)
21:38 < fake> netrunner: it's a gift my stepfather got for his 50th birthday.
21:38 < fake> he's only home in the weekend, so practically, this is mine ;)
21:38 < fake> i'm currently screwing my hands bloody to get this damn interior out
21:39 < netrunner> but it's cool! I am looking for a t4 with camping interior
21:39 < fake> i think i'll put in some nifty couch or some such
21:40 < fake> and a big, fat WLAN antenna, of course *g*
21:40 < netrunner> and your plastic woman on the driver seat?
21:40 < fake> better a plastic woman than a real one.
21:41 < netrunner> doesn't make so much noise ;)
21:41 < fake> plastic women do not harm you - or your car.
21:41 < daja77> *ggg*+
21:41 * fake quickly anonymized the pictures.. stupid me
21:42 < fake> flush your caches and forget what you saw
21:42 < fake> i'll try to get rid of those damn warning stickers now
21:42 < fake> wish me luck ;)
21:43 < blindy> fake: you DO know that this channel is now logged by rxr?
21:44 < daja77> fake's van is bigger than mine ^^
21:48 < fake> blindy: but the page i linked isn't mirrored...
21:48 < fake> and i updated the page.
21:48 * fake away : bus foenen
22:00 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB6C3.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection
22:07 * blindy gone
22:12 < Pupeno> err. the route rules are not right after configuring the network.
22:25 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
22:30 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has joined: #rocklinux
22:31 < Pupeno> trying to connect with PPPoE I've got this errors:
22:31 < Pupeno> Unknown statement in config file: ppp
22:31 < Pupeno> Unknown statement in config file: ppp_defaults
22:31 < Pupeno> Not enough of information:
22:31 < Pupeno> Not enough of information: "dev" argument is required.
22:31 < Pupeno> Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
22:32 < Pupeno> RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.3 compiled against pppd 2.4.2b3
22:32 < Pupeno> . /usr/sbin/pppd: no device specified and stidin is not a tty
22:32 < Pupeno> any ideas what is wrong ?
22:33 < daja77> dev ppp0 perhaps?
22:34 < netrunner> pppd eth0
22:34 < daja77> ah
22:35 < Pupeno> pppd eth0 instead of ppp eth0 ?
22:37 < Pupeno> it seems that it should be pppoe device and not ppp\npppoe device and ppp-defaults doesn't work, maybe this is outdated: https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse26.html ?
22:39 < netrunner> Pupeno: rene updated this not so long ago. I still use the old pppoe plugin for pppd, maybe this is different.
23:12 < nagi> aehm. someone sees where i can order the air berlin card silber via snail-mail or phone? i can't find the info on this website: www.airberlin.com
23:16 < Pupeno> netrunner: rene updated the packages or the docs ?
23:19 < daja77> always both
23:20 < Pupeno> so, I should update the packages.
23:21 < daja77> huh?
23:21 < daja77> why are you always talking about updating, i don't get it
23:22 < Pupeno> daja77: you said rene updated both, the packages and the docs... so the packages for networking I have here are older than the ones refered in the documentation, right ?
23:22 < daja77> dunno, depends on what you've installed
23:22 < Pupeno> daja77: I installed drock (2.0.0 if I'm not mistaken)
23:24 < daja77> should be current enough
23:24 < Pupeno> but the functionality I have is different than the documentation!
23:25 < daja77> i dunno sorry
23:26 < Pupeno> ok...
23:26 < Pupeno> and for me, updating/upgrading is something important, because bugs get fixed, features are added.
23:28 < daja77> co the src, and do scripts/E,merge-Pkg for single updates
23:29 < Pupeno> co ?
23:29 < netrunner> checkout
23:29 < daja77> checkout
23:29 < netrunner> faster! *jump*
23:30 < netrunner> but that piece has not changed since the release of 2.0
23:31 * daja77 too tired to do more support anyway :)
23:32 < Pupeno> now I'm getting the error RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable when /etc/init.d/network start (just a simple ethernet with static ip)
23:33 < Pupeno> solved, sorry
23:33 < Pupeno> daja77: what do you mean by checkout the sources ? download the tarball ? by hand ? or is there a better way ?
23:34 < netrunner> Pupeno: did you specify the "interface ppp0" section in /etc/network/config as in the handbook?
23:34 < daja77> pupeno chaadd /24 to your ip to set a netmask
23:34 < daja77> -cha
23:35 < Pupeno> netrunner: yes.
23:35 < Pupeno> netrunner: I almost copied the example in the handbook.
23:42 < netrunner> Pupeno: if you ask here in ca. 10h you might meet rxr, he has coded that part and could help you in debugging.
23:42 * netrunner -> bed, n8 *
23:43 < Pupeno> netrunner: the pppoe part ?
23:54 < daja77> n8 you all
23:55 < nagi> gn8 daja77
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