--- Log opened Fri Apr 23 00:00:00 2004
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03:24 < rolla> re
03:37 < mnemoc> any flex guru awake?
04:07 < nookie_> n8i :)
04:09 < mnemoc> n8 n0
04:10 < mnemoc> uhm... your nick is with 'o' today :(
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05:52 < MadTux> hi.
06:06 < nagi> hi MadTux 
06:07 < MadTux> hi nagi
06:08  * nagi = owl, btw
06:09 < MadTux> *HUG*
06:09 < nagi> *rehug*
06:09 < nagi> how are you?
06:10 < MadTux> good... tired
06:14 < nagi> hmm. ok. i'm going offline, again, now. 
06:14 < nagi> bye. 
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08:05 < rxr> rehi
08:38 < netrunne1> moin, 2
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08:56 < rxr> netrunner: do you have esdens irclog prettifier?
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09:08 < netrunner> rxr: nope. but when I ask him, he also coded a nice svnstat utility that might be nice to adapt it for rl
09:09 < netrunner> I think the url is http://rincewind.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/svnstat7
09:09 < netrunner> s,7,/,
09:21 < netrunner> hm, somehow with 2.6 my redirect/dnat magic does not work any more
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09:43 [Users #rocklinux]
09:43 [ Aard    ] [ darix] [ jsaw   ] [ nagi     ] [ rolla  ] [ th      ] 
09:43 [ blindy  ] [ dsoul] [ k3t_   ] [ netcrow  ] [ rxr    ] [ true    ] 
09:43 [ BoS     ] [ fake ] [ luckz  ] [ netrunner] [ SMP    ] [ valentin] 
09:43 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mistik1] [ nookie   ] [ StefanG] 
09:43 [ daja77  ] [ ija  ] [ mnemoc ] [ Pupeno   ] [ tfing  ] 
09:43 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
09:44 < jsaw> re-hi all
09:45 < rxr> hi jsaw 
09:45 < jsaw> hi rxr
09:45 < jsaw> how's gnome 2.6 goin?
09:46 < rxr> building at-spi currently
09:47 < jsaw> oh
09:47 < rxr> when a ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg `grep gnome24 config/default7packages | cut ... ` is finished I'll submit it ...
09:47 < rxr> (and maybe + a patch to add --repository to Emerge-Pkg ... ;-)
09:48 < rxr> now it is at gnome-mag
09:49 < jsaw> btw, I think I can submit openoffice - finally
09:49 < rxr> oh - needing Java to build?
09:50 < jsaw> nope
09:50 < jsaw> once we have commercial packages, I'll add it as option again...
09:51 < rxr> oh - cool.
09:51 < rxr> And how long does it build?
09:52 < jsaw> u don't want to know (around 4h on a P4 2,3GHz, 1Gb RAM)
10:14 < netrunner> linux shell scripting tutorialhttp://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
10:17 < netrunner> rxr: http://royale.zerezo.com/irssistats/
10:20 < jsaw> hi netrunner 
10:20 < netrunner> hi jsaw 
10:30 < rxr> jsaw: I just noticed http://ooo.ximian.com/ooo-build.html
10:30 < rxr> did you know it ?
10:31 < rxr> ok - does not look very useful - forget it ...
10:33 < jsaw> nope, I'm using exactly this. But I just noticed, that I get a not so easy to fix error inside the build environment: argument list too long...
10:34 < jsaw> outside, doing almost the same steps like the scripts (with less options however), everything is fine...
10:34 < netrunner> download/tsa/wxpython/wxPythonSrc-2.4.2.4.tar.gz times out (even with -longtimeout)
10:55 < jsaw> me away - cu l8r
11:04 < rxr> cu jsaw 
11:41 < nagi> moin
11:47 < rxr> moin netrunner 
11:47 < rxr>  nagi even ...
11:47 < rxr> ;-)
11:48 < nagi> hi rxr :p. 
11:48  * netrunner wonders why his irssi logs everything but the 2 channels I use most.
11:49 < rxr> ?
11:50 < netrunner> I have autolog on. I have dirs/files for all channels and queries but #rocklinux and #blafasel
11:52 < nagi> congrats, netrunner :p
11:53 < daja77> netrunner: yep the belnet sf mirror seems to be down, I replaced it with heanet and it works
11:54 < nagi> hi daja77 
11:54 < daja77> dunno if i should send a patch for this
11:54 < daja77> hi nagi 
11:55 < netrunner> daja77: wasn't there an agreement to use dl.sourceforge.net to get the automatic balancer?
11:56 < daja77> well it is not my package, there is a hardcoded belenet url in it
11:56 < netrunner> ok, I'll remove it.
11:56 < daja77> :)
11:57 < rxr> yes - dl.sf.net for all
11:57 < daja77> k.
11:57 < netrunner> oh, even sf.net? 
11:58 < daja77> sf.net is just a dns shortcut for sourceforge
11:58 < netrunner> sure. 
12:01 < netrunner> 512 lines containing "sourceforge.net" ... and not few that specify the mirror.
12:01 < netrunner> 12 using sf.net :)
12:02 < SMP> -CC = gcc
12:02 < SMP> +CC = i386-linux-gcc
12:02 < SMP> yeah right, Debian rules ...
12:04 < daja77> hehe
12:06 < rxr> sf.net was just an abbreviation
12:07 < rxr> sourceforge.net is ok - just dl. is a must
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12:11 < nagi> http://www.med-kolleg.de/icd/S/24601.htm - cool you can buy "schizoide persoenlichkeitstoerung" at ebay!
12:11 < daja77> how much for you? 
12:11  * daja77 hides
12:12 < nagi> hoeh? why for me? 
12:13 < daja77> just nosy
12:14 < nagi> let me count: borderline + schizoide persoenlichkeit + depression + phobia -- makes: 1'000'000'
12:14 < nagi> EUR
12:14 < nagi> *hrhr* "neugierige leute sterben frueh"
12:14 < daja77> lol
12:14 < daja77> hm normally this would not increase the prize
12:15 < nagi> why?
12:15 < daja77> it is a bug not a feature
12:15 < nagi> heh, 2 personality disorders, phobia and so on -- just everything in one person. you get much for your prize :p
12:16 < nagi> hmm. nah. it's a feature. you get also the pills together with me. and you can sell those pills on the schwarzmarkt
12:16 < daja77> ...
12:17 < nagi> hm?
12:18 < daja77> nothing just gets too oftopic for me
12:18 < nagi> oki
12:18 < netrunner> hm, what about a possibility to apply .patch.tar.bz2 =
12:19 < netrunner> for big patches I mean ...
12:19 < daja77> should work
12:19 < netrunner> already implemented?
12:19 < daja77> think so
12:20 < SMP> do you want to have such a big patch in-tree or in download/
12:20 < SMP> and no, .patch.bz2 doesn't work for $patchfiles
12:21 < netrunner> SMP: how do you know? ;)
12:21 < SMP> I know the code?
12:21 < daja77> ;)
12:21 < netrunner> SMP: I still have this epia target, and it uses an 1,5MB patch to the kernel
12:22 < SMP> download it, apply from within lx_config.sh
12:22 < rxr> SMP: IIRC I implemented compressed patches ...
12:22 < rxr> SMP: it should be enough to put it into $patchfiles
12:23 < rxr> echo "Apply patch $x ..."
12:23 < rxr>                 if [[ $x = *.bz2 ]] ; then
12:23 < rxr>                         bzcat $x | patch $patchopt
12:23 < rxr>                 else
12:23 < rxr>                         patch $patchopt < $x
12:23 < rxr>                 fi
12:23 < SMP> yeah, just saw it
12:24 < netrunner> and svn can handle blobs, so what :)
12:24 < daja77> netrunner: why should we distribute such a large patch
12:24 < SMP> submaster is gonna choke on it ;>
12:25 < daja77> *gg*
12:26 < netrunner> yeah, waiting for that ;)
12:27 < rxr> netrunner: no there will no big 3rd party files in ROCK Linux
12:27 < rxr> netrunner: download it
12:29 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/
12:29 < rxr> sync still running - the 2003 logs are not there yet - but will be in the next hour ...
12:30 < daja77> .oO (what an embarrassing moment ;)
12:31 < SMP> whoah, Alanis Morissette with short hair. scary
12:32 < daja77> url?
12:33 < SMP> http://www.maverick.com/alanis/med/everything_video/alanis_everything_300.ram
12:37 < daja77> thx
12:37 < daja77> hm damn rstp doesn't work with mplayer hier
12:38 < daja77> here
12:38 < daja77> anyway, have to go now
13:17 < rxr> cool
13:17 < rxr> QSC is gettign faster and faster:
13:17 < rxr> 450.98 kBit/s
13:17 < rxr> ^- Outgoing traffic ...
13:17 < rxr> where we have 256 garanteed ...
13:44 < SMP> the question is, how much is left of that after ATM policing has been applied ;>
13:58 < rxr> hm?
13:58 < rxr> you mean is dropped or so?
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14:11 < SMP> rxr: yes, the switch might just drop anything that exceeds the guaranteed cell rate
14:12 < SMP> OTOH that would cause TCP to throttle
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14:38 < rxr> it is now at 514.63 kBit/s
14:43 < valentin> rxr:how is that possible ?
14:43 < valentin> O
14:49 < rolla> re
14:52 < rxr> nload tells this
14:52 < rxr> hi valentin 
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15:04 < rxr> hi hannes_ 
15:06 < hannes_> hi!
15:06 < rxr> maybe this is due to some DSL areas switch off - and maybe raised limited due to VoIP they run now ...
15:44 < rxr> this shit fucking gdb crap thing:
15:44 < rxr> (gdb) break Utility::File::IsFile
15:44 < rxr> Can't find member of namespace, class, struct, or union named "Utility::File::IsFile"
15:44 < rxr> Hint: try 'Utility::File::IsFile<TAB> or 'Utility::File::IsFile<ESC-?>
15:44 < rxr> (Note leading single quote.)
15:44 < rxr> (gdb) break Utility::File::IsFile()
15:44 < rxr> Breakpoint 2 at 0xffbaaac
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15:57 < mnemoc> moin
15:59 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
16:04 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:14 < rxr> damn cpufreqd - again drove my CPU in the off-line low-power mode when I obviously had AC for half a day ...
16:14 < rxr> damn crap - too bad I'm in the list of it's authors ...
16:15  * rxr started his new dyncpud ...
16:15 < rxr> ^- this one does even do real CPU load scaling - not this stupid AC || !AC thing ...
16:15 < rxr> and in addition only has 128 lines of C++ code ...
16:19 < mnemoc> the right of branching is inalienable :)
16:23 < mnemoc> MadTux dies? his server has been down a whole day
17:06 < rolla> mnemoc: what is his server name?
17:07 < mnemoc> master.hack-solutions.com
17:09 < rolla> okay then that is not any of ther servers I host for him ;)
17:22 < valentin> rxr: still here ?
17:23 < mnemoc> :)
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17:40 < rxr> valentin: yes
17:40 < rxr> was just shopping some good ...
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18:28 < mnemoc> rxr: what kind of stuff are you commiting to 2.0-STABLE?
18:28 < rxr> I first tag 2.0.1 soon 
18:28 < rxr> then some more normal updates (like kde) and then 2.0.2 ...
18:28 < mnemoc> kernel?
18:28 < rxr> anything not too big, abvious fixes and updates can slowly go in
18:28 < rxr> yes
18:29 < rxr> kernels, too
18:29 < mnemoc> when do you plan to tag 2.0.1?
18:29 < rxr> especially due to the security problems ...
18:29 < rxr> two weeks ago ...
18:29 < mnemoc> :p
18:30 < rxr> hm - where does the libscollkeeper.pc should come from
18:31 < mnemoc> from scrollkeeper?
18:31 < rxr> mnemoc: you are smart
18:32 < mnemoc> that was a real challenge :)
18:32 < rxr> yeah!
18:32 < rxr> (btw. I just typed this to increase google ratings - I already investigate myself)
18:33 < rxr> mnemoc: we have irclogs again at:
18:33 < mnemoc> is it too low?
18:33 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/
18:33 < mnemoc> great!
18:33 < rxr> mnemoc: no the .pc is not included in the package
18:33 < netrunner> rxr: I miss the stats.
18:33 < rxr> netrunner: later
18:33 < mnemoc> no?
18:33 < mnemoc> uhm..
18:33 < mnemoc> on wedneday i have to install a server to a new client and i want to do it with 2.0-STABLE 
18:34 < rxr> mnemoc: do you need a tag for it?
18:34 < mnemoc> can i trust an snapshot of -STABLE as stable?
18:34 < rxr> of a kernel in the tree soon?
18:34 < rxr> yep - nothing critical went in
18:34 < mnemoc> great
18:34 < SMP> rxr: [reminder to merge r2792 back to 2.0]
18:34 < rxr> just the kernel could get an updarte ...
18:34 < rxr> SMP: thanks - I know
18:35 < mnemoc> zero-impact 100%-working new packages can go to -STABLE?
18:35 < rxr> yes
18:35 < rxr> (although SMP might kill me for this)
18:36 < mnemoc> :p
18:36 < SMP> no, I'm not
18:48 < netrunner> anybody knows by accident how the 2.6 make output was beautified?
18:49 < rxr> normal makefile stuff
18:49 < rxr> we also do this in GSMP and Macosd now ...
18:49 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/gsmp/trunk/
18:49 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/macosd/trunk/
18:50 < rxr> just trival Makefile scripting ...
18:54 < SMP> bad for copy-paste-modify debugging ;)
18:55 < rxr> hm?
18:56 < SMP> you can't just copy a command that failed, paste it into the shell and fiddle with it (changing -I or -L or -l or whatever)
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19:02 < rxr> sure
19:02 < rxr> make Q=
19:02 < rxr> und SMP ist happy
19:02 < SMP> ok ;)
19:02 < mnemoc> what kernel came with rh6.1? 
19:03 < daja77> ugh
19:03 < daja77> 2.2.x?
19:03 < daja77> and 2.4.1 perhaps
19:03 < mnemoc> worse case ipchains, it's good :)
19:03 < daja77> :)
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19:24 < rxr> hi kasc 
19:24 < kasc> hi rxr
19:33 < rxr> how are you kasc 
19:37 < kasc> fine, thx
19:37 < kasc> a bit busy tho ;)
19:39 < mnemoc> was crontab -e thing fixed on the trunk? and -stable?
19:40 < kasc> still waiting for t-com to fix my phone line so i can get online from my own boxes again
19:44 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - I have to admit I have not really followed this ... :-(
19:45 < rxr> I think nothing happend ... :-(
19:46 < mnemoc> that's bad
19:47 < mnemoc> :'(
19:48 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004032815360918485 <--- this seems to be the lastest thread
19:49 < mnemoc> this issue is a must fix for 2.0.1 imo
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19:55 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - ok - could you bring it to rock-devel to gain attention?
19:57 < mnemoc> ok
19:59 < mnemoc> sent
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20:40 < blokkie> hi
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20:40 < blokkie> how is the x86_64 port going ?
20:42 < daja77> stalled afaik
20:42 < blokkie> bugger
20:42 < daja77> hm?
20:43 < blokkie> ]# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model
20:43 < blokkie> model           : 4
20:43 < blokkie> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
20:43 < blokkie> I have this and wanted to check out rocklinux
20:46 < daja77> x86 version should work
20:47 < blokkie> I tried gentoo but the portage / emerge broke to often 
20:48 < daja77> hope i can try a native build under 64bit suse version soon
20:48 < blokkie> Yes, I'm waiting on that one too 
20:48 < blokkie> now I run : # uname -a
20:48 < blokkie> Linux amd64_lappy 2.6.3-9mdk #1 Mon Apr 19 11:10:02 CEST 2004 x86_64 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
20:48 < blokkie> which is a pain,  
20:48 < daja77> 64bit mdk?
20:48 < blokkie> yes 
20:49 < blokkie> just released 22 may
20:49 < daja77> you you could try a native build there and report bugs
20:49 < blokkie> of rocklinux ?
20:49 < daja77> yes
20:49 < blokkie> I have no experience with rock .. is that a problem ?
20:50 < daja77> you could read the handbook first
20:52 < blokkie> :-) 
20:53 < blokkie> ok, I think I have to read that entire doc 
20:53 < daja77> :)
20:55 < blokkie> what iso should I down ?  the beta4+fixes ?
20:55 < blokkie> coz I don't think I should go with the stable version
20:56 < daja77> no!
20:56 < daja77> 2.0.0
20:56 < daja77> beta4 is much older than stable
20:56 < daja77> stable is just a month old and no newer version released yet
20:57 < blokkie> okay
20:59 < blokkie> should I down all 3 iso's or only minimal , and then build the system up from there ?
21:00 < daja77> if you need a complete distro then the 3 isos, for building only minimal should be enough
21:00 < rolla> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/04/23/sco.investment.ap/index.html
21:00 < rolla> it just goes to show they are only in it for the money
21:00 < daja77> but it would make more sense to do a native rock build under that mdk
21:01 < blokkie> daja77,  I am willing , you mean in a chrooted env ? 
21:02 < daja77> the chrooted stuff will be done by the rock scripts
21:02 < daja77> you just need the src for that, no iso
21:03 < blokkie> you lost me here :-)
21:05 < daja77> hm?
21:05 < blokkie> where do I find those scripts ?
21:05 < blokkie> I'm reading the handbook,  but under section " 5.1  Installation variants " there is no mention of install scripts
21:06 < daja77> I am not talking of install, but of building
21:07 < daja77> you could only install a 32bit version
21:11 < blokkie> Ok , got the scripts etc , gonna read now on about building 
21:11 < daja77> k. :)
21:11 < daja77> you are welcome
21:13 < blokkie> this does not give me hope , it's "sarcasme" :-)
21:13 < blokkie> The distribution you are building ROCK Linux on should also be ROCK Linux.
21:13 < blokkie> It is also possible to build ROCK Linux on other distributions, but don't expect
21:13 < blokkie> it to work without some hacking ..
21:13 < blokkie> ^ from the Document/BUILD  file
21:13 < daja77> well right, but in that case we have no working rock for that platform, so
21:14 < daja77> <- building rock under rh8 e.g. so don't give up hope
21:15 < blokkie> ok
21:15 < blokkie> now I ran that script to build 
21:15 < blokkie> and first I see in the menue : architecture
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21:16 < daja77> ähm you need to configuer and download before
21:16 < blokkie> my precious is not listed there :'(
21:16 < blokkie> there , you lost me again 
21:16 < daja77> it should be all written in that handbook
21:17 < blokkie> it's not there , if I am not mistaken
21:19 < daja77> mom
21:21 < daja77> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookpa2.html#x69-126000II
21:24 < daja77> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch18.html#x74-13100018
21:25 < blokkie> You are very helpfull ! thx
21:25 < daja77> np :)
21:28 < blokkie> they all say I need to run ./scripts/Config  first, which brings me to the menu to select the arch , and mine is not listed
21:28 < daja77> not?
21:28 < blokkie> no
21:28 < blokkie> it is not listed
21:29 < blokkie> mine is AMD64 == x86_64  != x86 or IA64
21:29 < blokkie> I could go for x86, but then it's not real 64bit
21:29 < daja77> x86_64 is your arch then
21:29 < blokkie> but it is not listed in the menu 
21:30 < blokkie> see my problem ? 
21:31 < daja77> choose x86 and choose 64 in the option below
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21:32 < blokkie> :-)
21:32  * blokkie is ashamed
21:32 < daja77> ;)
21:34 < blokkie> Downloading download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.23.tar.bz2 ...
21:34 < blokkie> rather old 
21:34 < daja77> which src you did download
21:34 < blokkie> rock-src-2.0.0-rc4
21:35 < daja77> this is old
21:35 < daja77> I could create a src tar from trunk if you like, with 2.4.26 in it ...
21:36 < blokkie> rock-src-2.0.0.tar.bz2  06-Mar-2004 21:52  1.3M  
21:36 < blokkie> that is the latest yes ?
21:36 < daja77> the latest tarball yes, but guess it is too old for you still
21:37 < daja77> wait a minute
21:37 < blokkie> can you then create it , you are a champ !
21:38 < daja77> script running
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21:39 < blokkie> in the mean time I read your personal info on rock  :-)  
21:40 < daja77> :)
21:43 < blokkie> I don't see any amd maintainers listed there 
21:43 < daja77> we have no hw for this, so no real maintainer
21:43 < daja77> initial work was done by rxr
21:44 < blokkie> so I'm "unlucky" and prolly need to do everything from scratch and give feedback etc
21:44 < daja77> yep
21:45  * daja77 hopes to get access to amd64 hw soon
21:45 < StefanG> daja77: ask c_g :)
21:45 < daja77> we had his machine on c3
21:45 < StefanG> i know
21:46 < daja77> but he needs it for working afaik
21:46 < daja77> my former boss wants to give me access to his machine
21:46 < StefanG> for video encoding ;-)
21:46 < StefanG> thats good
21:46 < daja77> compiling rock under suse ^^
21:46 < StefanG> i plan to buy one this year :)
21:46 < StefanG> lol
21:46 < blokkie> mine is a  acer Aspire 1500  , not to expensive 
21:46 < StefanG> i compilen lfs under rock ;-)
21:47 < StefanG> thats a better combination :)
21:47 < daja77> damn Create-SrcTar is broken, will do it manually 
21:47 < daja77> why lfs when you already have rock?
21:47 < StefanG> want to build a lfs to learn a little more about linux
21:48 < StefanG> and my rock is a little bit br0ken
21:48 < StefanG> after problems with udma5
21:48 < StefanG> and ext3-errors
21:48 < daja77> ugh
21:48 < daja77> reinstall ^^
21:48 < StefanG> i could also copy the /bin dir from my server
21:48 < StefanG> but i have the first 5 gb free on harddisk after deleting win
21:49 < StefanG> and i hope that i can learn some interesting things :)
21:49 < StefanG> if it does not work i can re-install rock :)
21:49 < daja77> :)
21:50 < StefanG> the rock on my server works fine
21:50 < daja77> good
21:50 < blokkie> how much free space do I need for this all daja77  ?
21:50 < StefanG> but i have still not found out how to change the mc-colors
21:50 < StefanG> will try to compile mc myself and see what happens ;-)
21:51 < daja77> not more than 20gb i think
21:52 < blokkie> I only have 3 gig available now
21:53 < daja77> ok than start with a minmal build this should fit
21:53 < daja77> for desktop or generic you need more
21:53 < blokkie> I could reinstall mandrake minimal == 300 mb 
21:53 < daja77> maybe you could ad space by nfs 
21:53 < daja77> add
21:54 < blokkie> the windows slice is FAT32 , can I use that ?
21:54 < daja77> uhm no idea
21:55 < daja77> linux can read and write that fs but i guess it is not suitable for builds cos no unix rights can be set there
21:55 < blokkie> well, I'll first start with minimal , and if that all works OK, I'll resize windows , and do a minimal install of mandrake , so I have 25 gig free 
21:55 < daja77> yep that would be ok
21:55 < blokkie> roger
21:55 < daja77> :)
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21:57 < blokkie> how is that src build going ?
21:59 < daja77> http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/rockinst/rock-2.1.0-DEV.tar.bz2
21:59 < daja77> i have a slow conn, so don't worry
21:59 < blokkie> 5 min, no problem
22:00 < daja77> :)
22:00 < blokkie> I'm moving my mp3's and divx  from this laptop to a fileserver in the meantime
22:00 < daja77> :)
22:05 < blokkie> I have been a bit unlucky with the HW support of this laptop in linux
22:05 < daja77> that's why I consider buying an apple laptop
22:06 < blokkie> it has a ATI9600 card in it, but there are no ATI drivers for 64bit availeble yet
22:06 < StefanG> 64bit?
22:06 < StefanG> laptop?
22:06 < StefanG> wow :)
22:06 < blokkie> yes
22:06 < blokkie> not to expensive 
22:06 < StefanG> name?
22:06 < daja77> StefanG: not 64bit, who cares
22:06 < blokkie> 1600 Euro ,  Acer Aspire 1500
22:07 < daja77> i want a working laptop with linux that's all
22:07 < StefanG> what cpu?
22:07 < blokkie> it has DVD-RW+- too 
22:07 < blokkie> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
22:07 < blokkie> cat /proc/cpyinfo | grep model
22:08 < StefanG> ok, mine is still ok .. and the next one will be a very small one .. but it is something interesting that they have this cpu on a laptop
22:08 < StefanG> since yesterday there i have no warranty on my laptop any longer :/
22:09 < StefanG> ok, have2go now
22:09 < blokkie> bye
22:09 < blokkie> nice talking
22:09 < tcr> Apple released at the G5, a 64bit cpu, too
22:09 < tcr> s,at,a,
22:09 < daja77> tcr: in ibooks :)
22:09 < tcr> Eh, doesn't make much sense either
22:10 < daja77> *gg*
22:11 < tcr> Anyway, there were some technical aspects of the g5 which looked quite cool
22:13 < blokkie> is G5 not 128 bit ? 
22:13 < tcr> Uh???
22:14 < rxr> no 64bitz
22:14 < mnemoc> 128??!!
22:14 < tcr> I couldn't name any 128 bit cpu
22:14 < rxr> of course some results can be 128 bit - but the architecture is 64 ...
22:14 < blokkie> many things I have to learn 
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22:16 < blokkie> tcr,  what are those CPU's in game consoles then ? 
22:16 < blokkie> I thought those where 128 bit too 
22:20 < rxr> some
22:20 < rxr> some GPU ones are, too - some even have >= 256bit busses ....
22:24 < daja77> wb rxr 
22:24 < blokkie> daja77, it's still fetching the requierd , I'll have to do this all over again when I want to build "desktop" ?
22:24 < rxr> yeah - hi
22:25 < rxr> required means required for your current configuration
22:25 < rxr> if you build s.th. with more packages later - required will only fetch files not yet available on your system
22:25 < blokkie> current config == host machine it's build on ?
22:26 < daja77> the file created by scripts/Config 
22:26 < blokkie> ok
22:26 < blokkie> then minimal
22:26 < blokkie> *phew*  for a sec there I though it read the env of the host == with all the bloat
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22:31 < blokkie> why is it downing postfix ?
22:31 < sten> is there any compelling reason why I would want tcsh installed?
22:32 < blokkie> I have always liked it for shrooting 
22:32 < blokkie> chrooting
22:34 < sten> is there a particular behavior when chrooting, which makes it more suitable?  (or simply personal pref?)
22:34 < sten> btw, what do you mean by "downing postfix?"
22:35 < blokkie> well .. when I want to chroot using tcsh , I don't need to define /bin/whatever  and it has native autocompletion 
22:35 < sten> native autocompletion.  handy :-)
22:35 < sten> maybe I'll take a look at it
22:36 < blokkie> yes , that's what I like about it , thou lot's of scripts have #!/bin/bash   .. so for default usage it's not that "suited" 
22:36 < blokkie> setenv is nice , but not so common known IMHO
22:38 < blokkie> daja77,  it's downing everything .. even XFree86
22:38 < blokkie> I've K^C it
22:38 < daja77> well then you have selected generic
22:39 < sten> maybe I'll work on a "BSD-style" alteration for ROCK.  I tried FreeBSD ealier this week, and I really liked it. (unfortunately, STABLE didn't include support for my NIC, but that means that I return to ROCK :-)
22:39 < sten> blokkie: did you enable the minimal template?
22:41 < blokkie> Now I selected " Boot & rescue "
22:41 < daja77> blokkie: select expert options and then minimal package selection
22:45 < rxr> hae? No.
22:45 < rxr> Boot & rescue does not include XFree
22:45 < rxr> s.th. other is wrong
22:46 < rxr> blokkie: did you just run ./scripts/Config ? or did you supply a -cfg xyz option?
22:46 < daja77> rxr: he had generic selected
22:47 < rxr> ah - ok - I overread "Now" ..
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22:48 < blokkie> it cannot find  mktemp 
22:48 < rxr> blokkie: oehm - in which way not find?
22:49 < blokkie> Paranoia Check: Program 'mktemp' not found or too old!
22:49 < blokkie> You need an 'mktemp' installed which does know about the -p
22:49 < blokkie> option. Install the latest mktemp version.
22:49 < blokkie> this is after the == ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg system
22:49 < daja77> yep this is a problem with most distros
22:49 < blokkie> $ ./scripts/Download mktemp
22:49 < blokkie> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror:
22:49 < blokkie> INFO: http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/rock/ROCK-2.0
22:49 < blokkie> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror.
22:49 < blokkie> ERROR: Unknown file: mktemp.
22:50 < blokkie> $ whereis mktemp
22:50 < blokkie> mktemp: /bin/mktemp
22:50 < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg $id mktemp 
22:50 < blokkie> sorry for the #flood
22:51 < blokkie> yep
22:51 < blokkie> running atm   , $id == system 
22:51 < blokkie> /usr/bin/ld: /home/blokkie/tmp/ccYZQp2J.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
22:51 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/tmp/ccYZQp2J.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
22:51 < blokkie> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:51 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download --package mktemp ;)
22:51 < daja77> -package 
22:52 < mnemoc> :p
22:52 < blokkie> now what ?
22:52 < daja77> you could just compile mktemp manual
22:53 < blokkie> okelidokeli
22:53 < mnemoc> cd download/base/mktemp
22:55 < blokkie> yeah 
22:55 < blokkie> it compiled , now setting my user env correct so it finds the path
22:56 < sten> is ./scripts/Update-Src considered stable, or should stll stick with svn?
22:56 < sten> s/stll/still
22:57 < daja77> I'd prefer svn
23:00 < sten> ok
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23:07 < blokkie> still no go 
23:08 < blokkie> I've edde the mktemp to my path 
23:08 < blokkie> s/edde/added/
23:08 < mnemoc> do u have two mktemp-s now?
23:09 < blokkie> no
23:09 < blokkie> ok
23:10 < blokkie> I've chmod -x the /bin/mktemp and now it works 
23:13 < blokkie> it fails on > Building tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so.
23:13 < blokkie> that is like , the second package 
23:13 < blokkie> this ain't gonna be nice 
23:13 < mnemoc> that is not even a package :)
23:13 < blokkie> ld errors 
23:13 < mnemoc> outch
23:13 < blokkie> i'll paste 
23:14 < blokkie> _flood_
23:14 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so.
23:14 < blokkie> /usr/bin/ld: /home/blokkie/tmp/ccKVJuJn.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
23:14 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/tmp/ccKVJuJn.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
23:14 < blokkie> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:14 < mnemoc> oh, x86_64
23:14 < daja77> yep
23:14 < mnemoc> rxr?
23:14 < blokkie> so this would result in a bugreport ? or shall I resist ?
23:15 < mnemoc> who did the x86_64 port?
23:15 < blokkie> mandrake staff
23:15 < blokkie> :-)
23:15 < mnemoc> ehm... i mean at rock
23:15 < blokkie> nobody 
23:16 < blokkie> I'm like , the first 
23:16 < daja77> no rxr did some porting on 20c3
23:17 < mnemoc> rxr: ping!
23:18 < blokkie> shal I enable strace in the config ?
23:19 < blokkie> coz I need a descent error IMO
23:19 < mnemoc> xtrace ;) but it's not needed
23:19 < mnemoc> relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a
23:19 < mnemoc>                      shared object; recompile with -fPIC
23:19 < mnemoc> that's a descent error
23:19 < daja77> blokkie: guess you have not enough discspace for xtrace
23:20 < daja77> oh or conbfused this with debug symbols
23:20 < blokkie> still 3.1 gig available
23:20 < mnemoc> x86_64 and not enough disckspace???
23:20 < daja77> i should go to be
23:20 < daja77> bed
23:20 < mnemoc> :)
23:20 < daja77> mnemoc: harddisc
23:20 < mnemoc> i you have money for an x86_64 you can buy a 'descent' hardrive :p
23:21 < blokkie> it's a "bigfoot"  :-)))
23:21 < mnemoc> oh
23:21 < blokkie> 80mb   :-)
23:21 < blokkie> ok .. this was a joke 
23:21 < blokkie> you don't remember those big big HD's , called "bigfoot" 
23:22 < blokkie> very buggy 
23:22 < mnemoc> bigfoot discs where flat 5.25 harddrives iirc
23:23 < mnemoc> were*
23:23 < blokkie> yeah
23:24 < sten> will ./scripts/Update-System update packages with "new checksums"
23:24 < sten> or is that what the "-ignore-chksum" option is for?
23:25 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Update-System <--- don't do that
23:25 < mnemoc> i don't trust them :p
23:25 < daja77> yep
23:26 < sten> do I need to individually update packages from ./Create-UpdList then? :-|
23:28 < mnemoc> sleepy-daja, what do you think?
23:29 < daja77> dreaming of some nice babes *ggg*
23:29 < mnemoc> :p
23:29 < daja77> might be safer, yes
23:30 < sten> but tedious...
23:30 < mnemoc> sten: i have never had the courage of using _that_ part of rock
23:32 < mnemoc> i heard that ./scripts/Update-System was fixed
23:33 < mnemoc> you can try =)
23:33 < sten> ok, I'll try, and report my success 
23:33 < sten> | failure
23:33 < blokkie> good luck
23:33 < sten> thanks
23:33 < mnemoc> make the force be with you
23:33 < blokkie> :-)
23:33 < sten> :-)
23:34 < luckz> -|:-<
23:48 < daja77> n8
23:51 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
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