--- Log opened Sun Apr 25 00:00:30 2004
00:01 < mnemoc> :o
00:19 < daja77> mnemoc: hehe
00:19 < mnemoc> :)
00:19 < daja77> typing while bein asleep 
00:20 < daja77> the most used word is build, hehe
00:20 < daja77> bein at #2 is somehow scaring
00:23 < netrunner> daja77: #2? I just regenerated with nudelstats ... http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/irssistats/
00:23 < netrunner> nudelstats seems better, I can pipe the logs in, and it is simply css formatted html. no images.
00:24 < daja77> waaah now I am the first ...
00:25  * daja77 hides
00:26 < netrunner> daja77: stop talking :)
00:26 < daja77> pah you want me to shut up?
00:26 < netrunner> daja77: you wrote more than twice as much lines as I did.
00:27 < netrunner> but I have more words/line. that equals it out.
00:27 < daja77> you just can't keep your sentences simple :p
00:28 < netrunner> hm. some fruits in that fruit salad I had didn't like each other.
00:28  * netrunner feels rumours in his stomache
00:28 < daja77> you had this before right?
00:29 < daja77> <- thinks fruit salads are evil
00:29 < mnemoc> netrunner: how many days you have on those logs?
00:30 < mnemoc> netrunner: i wrote an script to render a irssistat.conf, it found 389 logfiles for #rocklinux :p
00:31 < daja77> rofl http://groups.google.de/groups?dq=&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=ISO-8859-1&group=de.alt.netdigest&selm=33227a00ea2d2e2fc846eec6ccd2547e%40die.wuer.de
00:31 < mnemoc> dammit, it didn't process my data :(
00:32  * daja77 thought mnemoc is the dragqueen of the chan, why am I ahead
00:32 < mnemoc> :p
00:32 < mnemoc> because to pass more time on bed
00:32 < mnemoc> you*
00:32 < daja77> hm
00:33 < daja77> passing .. bed, sound good ...
00:33 < mnemoc> my english stinks
00:33 < mnemoc> my spanish too :\
00:34 < daja77> well I don't mind your spanish :)
00:35 < daja77> nor your english
00:36 < daja77> n8 you all
00:36 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 :)
00:36 < netrunner> n8 daja77 
00:36 < netrunner> mnemoc: it starts 2003-10-16
00:36 < mnemoc> i don't know why i didn't analyse my logs :(
00:39 < netrunner> mnemoc: your logs? how would I be able to analyse your logs?
00:40 < mnemoc> me and my one logs
00:40 < mnemoc> i'm playing iwth irssistats
00:40 < mnemoc> s/one/own/
00:41 < mnemoc> i'm trying to render stats for 6 channels
00:42 < mnemoc> :(
00:43 < netrunner> mnemoc: the problem with irssistats is that it wants those input lines in its config
00:43 < netrunner> one file per line. and I create a file per day.
00:43 < netrunner> nudelstats is fed with data from stdin
00:44 < mnemoc> i wrote an script to generate the .conf
00:44 < mnemoc> it claims to read them all
00:44 < mnemoc> but the output has no stats :'(
00:50 < netrunner> mnemoc: try nudelstats, it works fine, and does not use imagebloat. 
00:50 < netrunner> package/avm/nudelstats committed to submaster
00:50 < mnemoc> i'll try
00:50  * mnemoc kicks irssistats
00:50 < netrunner> ok. now I'll leave you for your prime hours ;)
00:50 < netrunner> n8
00:51 < mnemoc> :)
00:51 < mnemoc> n8
00:51 < SMP> < mnemoc> "SMP likes to /kick"
00:51 < SMP>  * mnemoc kicks irssistats
00:51 < SMP> hmmm
00:52  * netrunner should generate those stats by cron. but not today ... ;)
00:52 < netrunner> on the other hand, rene will do so on the master...
00:53 < mnemoc> netrunner: url
00:53 < mnemoc> SMP: that's what netrunner's stats said about you :p
00:54 < SMP> great program. two kicks in three years or so ...
01:55 < blindy> moin
01:56 < mnemoc> moin blindy 
01:57  * blindy is slowly regaining his former reputation :)
01:57 < blindy> moin mnemoc 
01:58 < mnemoc> dancer reputation? ;)
01:58 < blindy> also
01:58 < blindy> but mostly:
01:59 < blindy> "Everytime I see you you are with at least three girls."
01:59 < mnemoc> :)
02:02 < blindy> and just today I witnessed two of them arguing about the "fact" that the other keeps hanging out with me and taking me away from the other
02:02 < blindy> feels strange
02:03 < mnemoc> blindy feels desired :)
02:03 < blindy> :)
02:23  * blindy --> bed
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10:01 < blindy> moin
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10:28 < netrunne1> mnemoc: http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/irssistats/
10:28 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
10:28 < blindy> moin netti
10:29 < netrunner> moin blindi
10:29 < blindy> y!
10:29 < blindy> y! y! y!
10:32 < netrunner> yeah, that's a song by the kelly's, no?
10:32 < blindy> no idea
10:36 < fussabtreter> moin
10:36 < blindy> moin moin
10:37 < netrunner> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
10:38 < blindy> urgs
10:40 < blindy> rxr speaks a lot of monologues
10:40 < blindy> heh
11:25 < daja77> moin
11:27 < netrunner> moin daja77 
11:28 < daja77> moin netrunner 
11:30 < valentin> moin
11:30 < daja77> moin valentin 
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11:43 < netrunner> blindy: how do I attack in wesnoth?
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11:51 < blindy> netrunner: click your unit, then move next to enemy unit and then click enemy unit
11:51 < blindy> you'll be asked for which weapon you want to use
11:58 < rxr> rehi
11:59 < fussabtreter> hi rxr 
11:59 < blindy> moin rxr
11:59 < rxr> moin fussabtreter and blindy 
11:59 < daja77> hi rxr 
12:00 < fussabtreter> hi daja77 
12:00 < rxr> hi daja77 
12:00 < daja77> hi owl
12:05 < rxr> netrunner: your irclogs are now integrated
12:07 < rxr> hm - or they are not - wait
12:10 < rxr> netrunner: The is a gab in your irc logs? ...:
12:10 < rxr> rw-------    1 rene     users       20593 Dec 11 15:45 linux-2003-12-11
12:10 < rxr> -rw-------    1 rene     users       18139 Mar 26 01:00 linux-2004-03-25
12:16 < netrunner> oh, sorry, didn't notice that one. where did they go? damn :(
12:18 < netrunner> maybe someone else can fill the missing gap?
12:20 < blindy> I can fill until 2004-03-22
12:20 < blindy> 2004-03-21
12:21 < blindy> from esden's logs
12:25 < rxr> blindy: I already asked esden - and he wants to send them when he has time ...
12:25 < rxr> blindy: or do you have direct access now=
12:25 < blindy> I have
12:25 < rxr> btw: I improved the html layout again:
12:25 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/
12:26 < rxr> blindy: cool - can you tar them up so I can wget them?
12:26 < blindy> just a moment
12:26 < rxr> cool
12:29 < blindy> http://apollo.bingo-ev.de/~blindcoder/logs.tar.bz2
12:29 < blindy> all log from 2003-12-10 to 2004-03-21
12:30 < rxr> ok - thanks - pulled and merged
12:30  * rxr uploading the result
12:30 < daja77> wyh the oldest logs first?
12:32 < daja77> the old logs were at http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog_s_ which means that old links in the logs refering to logs are not wiorking anymore
12:37 < rxr> it is just usual that this stuff is in historical order - listed as it would be in a calender ...
12:37 < daja77> k.
12:37 < rxr> I have not noticed the old logs have been at http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog_s_
12:38 < daja77> just saw this by clivking at the first log ;)
12:38 < rxr> clifford assigned the irclog to me - AFAIK the old logs only have been at .net/people/esden/irclogs or so ...
12:38  * blindy --> lunch
12:38 < rxr> daja77: huh? this is an rather temporary URL used there ...
12:39 < daja77> ah k. cpould be just one of esden's testruns
12:39 < rxr> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs/rocklinux-2002-04-14 
12:39 < rxr>            ^^^^^^^^^
12:39 < daja77> hm maybe i should get breakfast before reading more nonsense
12:40 < rxr> daja77: greating from susan
12:40 < daja77> thx greet her back pls
13:11 < blindy> re
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14:11 < rxr> cu
14:12 < fussabtreter> bye rxr 
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18:13 < blindy> re
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19:56 < netrunner> ui, server build finished.
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19:56 < netrunner> 401 builds total, 386 completed fine, 15 with errors.
20:04 < blindy> http://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/search/search.pl
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21:18 < tcr> hey cchamilt
21:18 < cchamilt> hi
21:18 < tcr> How's things?
21:19 < cchamilt> Stale, not much going on
21:19 < tcr> Sadly I'm incredibly loaded with work
21:20 < cchamilt> I have things I 'could' be working on.
21:20 < tcr> Heh :)
21:21 < tcr> Besides my casual work pensum I just started looking at scheme and I'm really excited of it..
21:23 < cchamilt> I am researching IF it is possible to brew up a true failover solution for linux.
21:24 < cchamilt> So far my best scheme is kind of strange if the various patches work.
21:25 < tcr> Hm.
21:25 < cchamilt> HA is really complicated and has been badly implemented (or at least implemented in strange ways to sell hardware).
21:26 < tcr> Well, fake recently pointed to the new release of openbsd which got a new feature for backfalling when some service doesn't work anymore
21:26 < tcr> I think there must be something on the line for linux given that it's said to be used on high end data centers
21:26 < cchamilt> Well, I am more concerned about dieing full systems or at least making it ok to have one.
21:27 < cchamilt> No, it is all bullshit.  There is always a point of failure in all commercial systems for linux.
21:28 < cchamilt> I am looking for something very cheesy like unixware's nonstop clustering of two nodes.
21:28 < tcr> Have no idea, but I'd like to disagree ;)
21:28 < cchamilt> The problem is that most solutions have a shared disk resource concept, and that is usually where the single point of failure creeps in.
21:29 < mistik1> blindy: you around?
21:29 < cchamilt> ie. single scsi ribbon, fiber channel star switch, raid pushed out to NAS without redundant raid multipath...
21:30 < cchamilt> Winchester makes a system with redundant raid and in if you buy about $150K worth of their stuff it is pretty OK.
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21:31 < cchamilt> evms doesnt support raid on shared devices as the kernel unsafely commits metadata to devices while failing.
21:32 < SMP> cchamilt: there are various ways to build shared-nothing clusters, if that's what you want. depends on your application anyway
21:32 < cchamilt> Yes, and most of them aren't.  I have read through ibm's red books and not a single one provided it.
21:33 < cchamilt> I do think there is a cheap solution, but it is cobbled together from things.  If evms and openssi and a network based device system can all work together that is.
21:34 < SMP> if you want shared filesystems with no shared hardware, use drdb
21:34 < SMP> or rather drbd ;)
21:35 < cchamilt> I recall someone saying nasty things about its reliability.
21:35 < SMP> the company Clifford works for develops and uses drbd
21:35 < SMP> whatever that means ...
21:37 < cchamilt> Well I heard somethings last year when I looked into this, cant even remember what now.
21:39 < SMP> with drbd you still have a SPOF - your filesystem. if one node garbles it badly, the other one is lost, too.
21:40 < cchamilt> Yes.
21:41 < cchamilt> I dont think that is fixable, killing a bad behaving process/node as fast as possible is about all you can do.
22:26 < SMP> rxr: any ETA for the gnome 2.6 update?
22:43 < darix> SMP: when its done! *hides*
22:44 < SMP> well from what I've heard it's already done
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23:00 < netrunner> arg, this stupid old pc cannot boot cdrw :/
23:01  * fussabtreter 's set status: n/a - sleeping.
23:01 < fussabtreter> gn8
23:06 < netrunner> now I remember why there is still no rock on that pc, ... the cd's don't boot.
23:07 < SMP> does it have something to bootstrap from?
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23:23 < netrunner> harddisk. and still nobody knows about the boot problem? (silent stop after freeing kernel memory)
23:24 < SMP> what boot problem?
23:28 < netrunner> the bootcd stops after the message "Freeing kernel memory\n foo KB freed"
23:29 < netrunner> iirc the awk thing hung or so. I once tried to debug it while burning avis to cd, they are now all bootable with debug versions of linuxrc ;)
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