--- Log opened Thu Apr 29 00:00:49 2004
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00:48 < demian> hi
00:48 < holyolli> hi demian
00:56 < dsoul> hi demian 
01:19 < togg> hi all
01:20 < togg> my attr doesnt compile complaining xgettext not found
01:21 < togg> any suggestions?
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01:41 < dsoul> togg in target boot?
01:42 < togg> my own target
01:42 < darix> hmm
01:42 < darix> togg: check why gettext package fails
01:42 < darix> some missing dep i think
01:43 < togg> it doesnt fails, it just is not included in build order
01:43 < togg> so attr does not build
01:43 < darix> o.O
01:43 < togg> some weeks ago this worked
01:44 < togg> when i run scripts/Config -cfg my-target now it removes the gettext (X -1-3------ 148.000 base gettext 0.12.1 / base/library 0) so attr fails
01:53 < dsoul> i had the same problem
01:53 < dsoul> just ad manualy to package list :)
01:54 < holyolli> n8
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01:54 < togg> i added but then gettext does not compile :)
01:54 < dsoul> where uou added, it in config?
01:54 < togg> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
01:54 < togg> See `config.log' for more details.
01:54 < togg> configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link
01:54 < togg> thats the error
01:55 < togg> on compile
01:55 < togg> i add X -1-3---- and so on
01:55 < togg> in packages and packages.txt
01:55 < dsoul> for me it worked :)
01:56 < SMP> don't edit packages or packages.txt by hand!
01:56 < togg> i know
01:56 < dsoul> sometimes there is no other way :/
01:56 < SMP> add 'x gettext' to your pkgsel
01:56 < togg> ic
01:56 < dsoul> SMP dosnt work :/
01:56 < togg> but why isnt it added auto?
01:57 < SMP> (do it from inside scripts/Config or run scripts/Config -oldconfig afterwards)
01:57 < togg> i just updated svn and rebuilt my target
01:57 < togg> b4 it worked
01:58 < dsoul> SMP what to if adding with x does not work?
01:58 < SMP> find out why it doesn't
01:58 < SMP> is there a gettext line in your packages at all?
01:58 < togg> X -1-3-------
01:59 < togg> thats why i think
01:59 < dsoul> proper line is in pkgsel but its still isnt compiled :/
01:59 < togg> it only builds in stage 1 and 3
01:59 < togg> i have no glue
01:59 < togg> clue
02:00 < dsoul> SMP i had it added by x gettext
02:00 < SMP> dsoul: is there a gettext line in your packages at all?
02:00 < togg> SMP: no it is not
02:00 < dsoul> no :/
02:01 < togg> i also added to manual package selection but it does not work
02:01 < togg> some time ago it worked and gettext was added auto
02:01 < SMP> then the target or pkgsel template have removed the gettext package entirely
02:01 < SMP> what targets / templates are you using?
02:02 < togg> i use the lw_ap target
02:02 < togg> my own :)
02:02 < dsoul> boot target, no template
02:02 < togg> i has a pkgsel.sh
02:03 < SMP> togg: apparently some part of the whole pkgfilter removed it (not just disable)
02:04 < dsoul> but its strange
02:05 < togg> who can be responsible for this questions?
02:06 < togg> i found it!
02:06 < togg> disable nls support is the cause
02:06 < togg> in config
02:06 < darix> hmm
02:06 < darix> if you disable nls. shouldnt attr disable it on configure too?
02:07 < togg> some version ago this value was not evaluated it seems :D
02:07 < togg> but it doesnt ;) packagers are independet
02:07 < togg> doesnt know what others do
02:08 < SMP> acl and attr have very bizzare build system
02:08 < SMP> +s
02:08 < dsoul> that why boot target is out of gettext :)
02:16 < togg> to build attr i added --enable-gettext=yes/no to configure
02:16 < togg> no
02:16 < togg> hmm shit, it still does not build ;)
02:18 < togg> is there a way to find out which package includes attr/acl ?
02:22 < demian> grep in the flists
02:23 < togg> i do actually, but i thought ther is a script ;)
02:30 < SMP> 'includes'?
02:35 < togg> SMP: exactly
02:35 < SMP> what do you mean by 'includes'?
02:36 < togg> lets say samba needs attr so attr is included in build
02:37 < SMP> we don't know if a package 'needs' another package, we only know if it _uses_ another package
02:37 < SMP> for example, samba might (and will actually) build fine without acl
02:38 < SMP> for your purpose you will want to look at scripts/dep_db.txt
02:38 < togg> ic
02:38 < togg> i did some seconds ago :
02:38 < togg> :)
02:38 < demian> bye
02:38 < togg> demian: bye
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02:41 < SMP> what kind of retarded package is balsa please ...
03:58 < darix> SMP: a retarted gnome package ;)
04:02 < SMP> it's even more retarded than these
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06:56 < netrunner> moin
07:16 < rxr> re
07:19 < rxr> SMP: what is balsa doing?
07:23 < rxr> oeh - it does not like Factory.hh - which looks valid ...
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07:26 < BoS> moin
07:28 < rxr> moin BoS 
07:29 < BoS> moin rxr
07:30 < BoS> have you read the build prob  (cross build to ppc) rxr?
07:31 < BoS> rxr: what's here the prob?
07:32 < rxr> no - where is this description?
07:33 < BoS> yesterday here
07:34 < rxr> BoS: I take a look when I'm finished fixing GSMP to compile with gcc-3.4.0 - hopefully in some minutes
07:34 < BoS> thx
07:42 < rxr> BoS: is it in this log?
07:42 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/rocklinux-2004-04-28.html
07:42 < rxr> I have not found it ...
07:42 < rxr> please point me to the log I need to read - or post it again ;-)
07:43 < SMP> rxr: /ROCK/build/desktop-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium3-32-generic-expert/ROCK/tools.chroot/wrapper/install -c -m 644 ./Balsa.idl ./Balsa.idl
07:44 < SMP> install: `./Balsa.idl' and `/ROCK/src.balsa.1083198991.27417.2929855360/balsa-2.1.2/src/./Balsa.idl'
07:44 < SMP>  are the same file
07:45 < BoS> mom 
07:45 < rxr> SMP: I patched this
07:45 < rxr> damn have I forgotten to svn add ...
07:46 < rxr> SMP:  in submaster now
07:46 < rxr> sorry
07:46 < rxr> ..
07:46 < SMP> don't worry, I don't really care about balsa ;)
07:47 < rxr> hm - damn I have some other tiny gnome bits here ...
07:51 < SMP> ugh
07:51 < SMP> the balsa.conf hack in 2004042907465325919 is really ugly
07:52 < BoS> rxr: here is the output from yesterday
07:52 < SMP> and --with-esmtp acually works if you spell it correctly. see 2004042906210819284 ;)
07:53 < BoS>   19:55 < BoS> Searching for old liggering files ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> No errors found.
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> Creating 2nd stage filesystem:
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Extracting the packages archives.
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> `- Extracting 00-dirtree.tar.bz2 ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> `- Extracting linux24.tar.bz2 ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Saving boot/* - we do not need this on the 2nd stage ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Remove the stuff we don't need ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Installing some terminfo databases ...
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Cannot open archive ../../pkgs/ncurses.tar.bz2: No
07:53 < BoS>              such file or directory
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Child returned status 2
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/a/ansi: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/n/nxterm: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/l/linux: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt200: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt220: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt100: Not found in archive
07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Cannot open archive ../../pkgs/ncurses.tar.bz2: No
07:53 < BoS>              such file or directory
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Child returned status 2
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/a/ansi: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/n/nxterm: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/l/linux: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt200: Not found in archive
07:54 < rxr> BoS: hm - does your tar work correctly - does not look so
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt220: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt100: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/s/screen: Not found in archive
07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
07:54 < rxr> could you verify the files in build/<id>/pkgs ?
07:55 < BoS> the tar is correct, i think so - a build for x86 works fine
07:56 < BoS> but the cross build with the same tars not
07:57 < rxr> hm
08:17 < SMP> gst-plugins 0.8.1 doesn't compile against gstreamer 0.8.1 ... tries to use undefined GST_EVENT_ANY
08:17 < SMP> what do these people smoke ..?
08:22 < rxr> oehm - gcc-3.4 optimizes complex C++ code much better
08:23 < rxr> erhm !?!?!?!?!
08:23 < rxr> is this a joke (testing PCH):
08:23 < rxr> $ du -h ArgumentList.hh*
08:23 < rxr> 8.0K    ArgumentList.hh
08:23 < rxr> 13M     ArgumentList.hh.gch
08:23 < rxr> 13 MB ?!?!
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08:26 < rxr> wow:
08:26 < rxr> $ du -csh *.gch
08:26 < rxr> 14M     ArgumentList.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 944K    BinomiHeap.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 868K    Delete.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 6.6M    DirIterator.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 872K    Empty.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 6.6M    File.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 12M     FlexLexer.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 868K    ForEachIf.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 868K    Limits.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 13M     Logger.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 13M     Logging.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 11M     SplitStreamBuffer.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 14M     Storage.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 1.5M    Threads.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 12M     Timer.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 6.5M    TypeInformation.hh.gch
08:26 < rxr> 110M    total
08:26 < rxr> and this is only the utility sub-project of GSMP ...
08:28 < rxr> cool - but it does speed up the compilation!
08:28 < rxr> with:
08:29 < rxr> real    0m18.858s
08:29 < rxr> user    0m15.370s
08:29 < rxr> sys     0m2.020s
08:29 < rxr> without:
08:29 < rxr> real    0m27.689s
08:29 < rxr> user    0m23.700s
08:29 < rxr> sys     0m2.110s
08:29 < netrunner> rxr: try running sloccount on it, gives nice figures how much work it means.
08:29 < rxr> netrunner: sloccount what?
08:31 < netrunner> rxr: sloccount is a tool that counts the source lines of code and gives figures how many man-days it needs to implement that. some statistics
08:31 < netrunner> (is in submaster)
08:32 < rxr> .gch are precompiled headers - they contain GCC interal tree representations
08:32 < rxr> I do not think some code analyser will make s.th. out of it ...
08:38 < netrunner> ah ok
08:45 < netrunner> sloccount scripts/
08:45 < netrunner> Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC)                = 4,722
08:45 < netrunner> Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 1.02 (12.25)
08:45 < netrunner>  (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05))
08:45 < netrunner> Schedule Estimate, Years (Months)                         = 0.54 (6.48)
08:45 < netrunner>  (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38))
08:45 < netrunner> Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule)  = 1.89
08:45 < netrunner> Total Estimated Cost to Develop                           = $ 137,871
08:45 < netrunner>  (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40).
08:50 < rxr> ah ha
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09:15 < netrunner> damn. my line is gone again :(
09:15  * netrunner suspects the telecom now disallows 24h connect.
09:16 < rxr> my t-dsl / tiscali line is not (yet9 affected
09:16 < rxr> maybe just some local t-com problesms ...
09:17 < netrunner> it happened yesterday at the same time. only came back at 1300
09:21 < SMP> netrunner: I can hardly imagine that
09:29 < rxr> so now I have added PCH support to GSMP
09:29  * rxr wonder how big the source tree will get with all the fat files ...
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09:29 < rxr> hi k3t_ 
09:32 < daja77> moin
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09:36 < rxr> .oO (If I can trust this gcc)
09:36 < rxr> PRECOMP H ../include/ALSAIOStream.hh.gch
09:36 < rxr> In file included from ../include/ALSAIOStream.hh:35:
09:36 < rxr> ../include/ALSAConverter.hh:34:53: calling fdopen: Bad file descriptor
09:36 < rxr> a 2nd run succeeds ...
09:42 < rxr> oh my god:
09:42 < rxr> du -csh  `find -name '*.gch'`
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09:42 < rxr> 477M    total
09:42 < rxr> this is "just" our GSMP
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10:12 < blindy> WEE
10:12 < blindy> successfully ported transconnect to HPUX 11
10:12 < blindy> :)
10:12 < blindy> hi all
10:13 < daja77> hi blindy 
10:14 < blindy> hi daja77 
10:18 < blindy> rxr: tmpfs makes a 20% difference on lvp
10:23 < blindy> from over 6 hours to around 5
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10:24 < holyolli> moin
10:24 < blindy> moin holy
10:24 < holyolli> huhu blindy
10:27  * blindy sending patch to transconnect
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10:31 < rxr> oh - my this is unbelieveable
10:31 < rxr> why do all the people write so lousy code ...
10:32 < rxr> the "Bad filedescriptor" I posted above from GCC (!!) is caused by closing the file two (yes 2!!) times:
10:32 < rxr> 26636 close(5)                          = 0
10:32 < rxr> 26636 munmap(0x300f5000, 4096)          = 0
10:32 < rxr> 26636 close(5)                          = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)
10:32 < rxr> this is more then a bad joke
10:33 < dsoul> no, its opensource :P
10:34 < rxr> dsoul: any problems over at your side?
10:34 < dsoul> :)
10:34 < netrunner> rxr: when you had qdsl, who was your phone provider?
10:34 < rxr> netrunner: I had none
10:35 < rxr> netrunner: you do not need a phone line for QSC - and this is one reason I wanted it here, too
10:35 < netrunner> hm, not a choice for me ;)
10:35 < rxr> netrunner: too damn I now have to pay 16 EUR for a line I do not use
10:35 < netrunner> you have genion?
10:35 < rxr> netrunner: you can have a phone line w/ QSC - but you do not need to ...
10:35 < rxr> netrunner: yes
10:35 < holyolli> netrunner: but they can install one more phone line
10:35 < dsoul> rxr i aslo dont like bad code and this the problem with open source developers, many of them dont have nessesery knowledge to write it
10:36 < rxr> dsoul: people @ Microsoft have less knowledge
10:36 < rxr> dsoul: and there are people like us fixing crap code
10:36 < netrunner> rxr: I know, but I want to get rid of my tdsl. best alternative seems to be arcor-isdn + qdsl home so far
10:37 < rxr> dsoul: I do not know if you have experience with commercial fluff - but I used MSVC++ - and it the uglies compiler "suite" I ever workd with
10:37 < holyolli> but since some days qsc has a contract with telekom in order to resell t-com-lines - so maybe it won't be nessessary to install a phone line only dedicated for dsl
10:37 < rxr> gcc is magniuudes more sophisticated
10:38 < SMP> nothing compared to the icc and its vectorizer ;>
10:38 < dsoul> rxr i dont likme m$ like most of people but they have a few good ideas
10:39 < dsoul> but they always make them unportable as mauch as its possible :)
10:39 < rxr> I neither see good ideas - nor does their stuff function very well ...
10:40 < rxr> anyway - cound the read Bad filedesc line:
10:40 < rxr> fcntl64(-1, F_GETFL)              = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)
10:40 < rxr> this one is causing the abortion
10:43 < blindy> anyone who can enlighten me on the IRDA problem I've posted?
10:45 < rxr> hm - strange - or is this a glibc bug ...
10:45 < daja77> blindy: in my install irmanager isn't even installed
10:46 < blindy> daja77: because it's not packaged
10:46 < blindy> I checked in the official desktop 2.0.0 release using my ROCK Sonar
10:46 < blindy> no irmanager anywhere
10:47 < blindy> and that makes me wonder quite a bit
10:47 < blindy> OK, transconnect patch sent to maintainer
10:49 < togg> good morning @all
10:49 < togg> is there a rocklinux bugtracker?
10:49 < togg> i want to post a bug related to attr/gettext
10:51 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/flyspray
10:52 < SMP> togg: send it to the mailingslist
11:16 < togg> SMP: rock-devel ?
11:16 < togg> SMP: rock-svn ?
11:20 < blindy> devel
11:24 < rxr> rock-svn is read only
11:24 < rxr> commit notifications
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12:44 < netrunner> hm. I shouldn't have changed my cron that checks my line.
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13:39 < netrunner> wow. http://www.stretchinc.com/products_benchmarks.php
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14:06 < nulpie> moin
14:09 < netrunner> hi nulpie
14:09 < nulpie> hi netrunner
14:09  * nulpie seeks clifford
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14:17 < tcr> moin all
14:19 < rxr> moin tcr 
14:19  * rxr cooking
14:23 < tcr> Have fun
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14:47 < rolla> re
14:48 < dsoul> hi rolla 
15:11 < rxr> hi rolla 
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15:16 < rolla> hallo rxr
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16:16 < netrunner> arg. bootstrap: checking if we have a Gentoo system... no
16:20 < daja77> what are you doin?
16:21 < rxr> I would like to know this, too
16:21 < daja77> in general this is good news ^^
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16:25 < mnemoc> moin!
16:25 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
16:25 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
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16:43 < alanjwylie> WooHoo - I'me now running a build of a very recent Rock -  Last Changed Date: 2004-03-15 10:19:47
16:43 < alanjwylie> very few issues in installing
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16:43 < MadTux> good day.
16:44 < th_> hi MadTux 
16:44 < alanjwylie> I'm even running LVM - when you have a 160Gb drive, you don't really know how to partition it in advance
16:45 < th_> alanjwylie: well yes - i always know
16:45 < th_> alanjwylie: one primary with about 100MB. the rest is for lvm ;-p
16:45 < alanjwylie> whole install and configure, including a load of custom stuff that isn't in rock, took just over a day.
16:46 < alanjwylie> it was nice to be able to do all the "mine -i -R /mnt/tmp" stuff onto the new hard disk while still
16:46 < alanjwylie> working on the old system.
16:47 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 
16:47 < daja77> hi MadTux 
16:51 < rolla> MadTux: 
16:51 < daja77> rolla: 
16:54 < rolla> daja77: 
16:54 < daja77> :)
16:54 < th_> :)
16:55 < mnemoc> this is a _very_ peculiar channel :)
16:56 < daja77> hm what do you mean
16:57 < rolla> mnemoc: how so?
16:58 < mnemoc> e.g. how does it handle the greetings :)
16:58 < mnemoc> you can't see this behavior in other channels
16:58 < rolla> ?
16:59 < mnemoc> btw, i love this peculiarity
17:00 < MadTux> lol
17:02 < mnemoc> seriusly, there is a very nice karma in #rl. and the weirdness is that that karma is not reflexted on the ML
17:03 < daja77> the ml is spammed by submaster
17:03 < rolla> yeah 
17:03  * rolla is nlonger part of the ML
17:03  * MadTux neither
17:04 < mnemoc> i split it in 5 folders to get out of this spam
17:06 < MadTux> i don;t have the time or patience :)
17:06 < mnemoc> btw, your master was quite 'volatil' last week
17:07 < mnemoc> volatile*
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17:27 < mnemoc> anyone has used a foo.sm/MASTER as master for a second sm tree ?
17:30 < mnemoc> /SVN :p
17:31 < daja77> hm?
17:32 < mnemoc> to branch my own branches :)
17:32 < mnemoc> sm create file://`pwd -P`/rock-2.0.sm/SVN/ rock-test
17:33 < daja77> *gg*
17:36 < SMP> 2023 builds total, 1204 completed fine, 70 with errors.
17:37 < daja77> SMP: the gnome update?
17:37 < SMP> that, and autoconf 2.59, automake 1.8.3
17:37 < SMP> and gcc33.
17:38 < daja77> sigh
17:39 < mnemoc> SMP: qmail package should be file:// ? or it just can't exist?
17:39 < SMP> wait for the download/ reorg ...
17:40 < mnemoc> ok
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18:37 < tfing> mnemoc: i think you can freely distribute the sources of qmail, but not binaries
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18:39 < tfing> http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html
18:45 < mnemoc> tfing: but our sources are .bz2
18:45 < tfing> hmm, that's right
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18:46 < tfing> maybe so should get in touch with dj bernstein for that purpose
18:47 < mnemoc> is he available for that 'kind of things'?
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18:54 < mnemoc> i'll ask to qmaildist@list.cr.yp.to
18:56  * netrunner found another example for his thesis: qt fails here because it is scheduled before mysql. that's what I want. now I know there is a scheduling problem. haven't realised this before.
18:58 < SMP> mnemoc: noone will be able to give you a satisfying answer
18:58 < mnemoc> :(
18:59 < mnemoc> no source|bin distribution is the only answer for us?
18:59 < SMP> I think we can mirror it as tbz2, but we can also avoid it after the download/ reorg.
19:00 < mnemoc> you see no problem in having qmail.desc ?
19:01 < SMP> no problem
19:01 < mnemoc> goood =)
19:15 < netrunner> rxr/daja77: something different.
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19:25 < netrunner> rxr: could you please run a regression tester build with the pkginstalled change? 
19:29 < blindy> hi
19:30 < MadTux> blindy: !
19:31 < blindy> MadTux: ?
19:31 < MadTux> what can't i greet a good friend?
19:31 < netrunner> hi Maddy
19:32 < MadTux> hi nety! :)
19:32 < mnemoc> wb tuxie
19:34 < MadTux> thanks mnemocy
19:34 < blindy> MadTux: wasn't meant that way *huggle*
19:35 < MadTux> okis blindy, no worries :)
19:35 < blindy> ^^
19:37 < MadTux> :P
20:20 < SMP> alanjwylie: any plans on your side to update chrony to 1.20?
20:40 < netrunner> http://www.levenez.com/unix/  ... we are missing :(
20:42 < SMP> we're definitely _not_ "missing"
20:44 < blindy> it's just that everyone else is incompatible with us :)
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20:44 < blindy> btw.
20:45 < blindy> anyone got a clue what could make a game die after printing the splash screen on the console when using a really bare bones kernel?
20:45 < blindy> ie, what could be missing/
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20:49 < blindy> all the things I have is IDE/FLOPPY and ELF, ext2, virtual console, vga console and 256 ptys
20:49 < blindy> that's about all that is in my kernel
20:49 < blindy> what could be missing?
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21:00 < fake> how does the game access the graphics hardware?
21:00 < fake> x11? fb?
21:04 < tcr> fake: sdl can both
21:06 < fake> tcr: yeah, but if he runs x, the category of problems might shift from kernel to x ;)
21:06 < tcr> No idea, just joined ;)
21:07 < fake> <blindy> anyone got a clue what could make a game die after printing the splash screen on the console when using a really bare bones kernel?
21:08 < fake> <blindy> all the things I have is IDE/FLOPPY and ELF, ext2, virtual console, vga console and 256 ptys
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21:23 < blindy> fake: termcap
21:23 < blindy> the game's nethack
21:24 < blindy> and the floppy has got nothing but nethack, a kernel, a linuxrc, tar and bzip2 on it
21:25 < tcr> Put strace on it and run nethack with that
21:26 < blindy> sounds reasonable...
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21:27 < tcr> I'd say something's missing and this `something' just gets needed after screen initialization of nethack
21:42 < fake> sounds like curses?
21:52 < blindy> is curses
22:01 < blindy> hmm
22:01 < blindy> no syscalls in dietlibc??
22:03 < Aard> blindy: -lcompat ?
22:04 < blindy> Aard: SYS_read undeclared
22:05 < blindy> Aard: SYS_write undeclared
22:05 < blindy> and so on
22:07 < Aard> hm. i have it in may version, but I can't remember if I added it...
22:07 < blindy> you don't, by any chance, have a statically linked strace lying around?
22:08 < Aard> no. strace with dietlibc is still todo. 
22:08 < blindy> thought so :(
22:08 < blindy> ok, trying to compile nethack and strace with uclibc then...
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22:09 < blindy> I somehow need to squeeze all that on a single 1.44MB floppy.
22:11 < blindy> and I think that all that's missing is something in the kernel
22:11 < mnemoc> re
22:22 < blindy> ok
22:22 < blindy> uclibc sucks
22:25 < fake> try that with netbsd ;)
22:25 < blindy> the OS image they provide comes without any development tools
22:26 < blindy> not even bzip2
22:26 < blindy> really usable >_<
22:26 < fake> that's what pkgsrc is for
22:26 < blindy> I mean uclibc
22:26 < fake> ah.
22:27 < blindy> hmm
22:27 < blindy> that the uwoody image I got there...
22:27 < blindy> trying the other one now
22:29 < mnemoc> blindy: how can you evaluate a libc due to an iso they provide??
22:29 < blindy> mnemoc: well, the build-scripts they provide don't work, either...
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22:30 < mnemoc> the libc does :-)
22:30 < blindy> so how am I supposed to evaluate it without killing my current system?
22:30 < mnemoc> and before binutils update rock build for it :)
22:31 < mnemoc> are you useing their 'toolchain'?
22:33  * mnemoc move to the 'almost'-top of his todo the rediff of uclibc patches
22:33 < blindy> ok, got strace to 72k
22:34 < blindy> mnemoc: that toolchain didn't work
22:34 < mnemoc> :(
22:34 < blindy> but the other filesystem iso did include compiler et al
22:34 < blindy> so now I have a 72k, statically linked, upx-compressed, in-memory-decompressing strace
22:35 < blindy> which barely fits on the floppy (1k free space left)
22:36 < mnemoc> oh
22:39 < blindy> interesting...
22:39 < blindy> please note, I have a statically linked nethack...
22:39 < blindy> and it wants to open {/usr,}/lib/libnss_compat.so.2
22:40 < blindy> and as it finds itself unable to do so, it segfaults
22:40 < blindy> but ok
22:40 < blindy> I guess it segfaults because:
22:40 < blindy> socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT
22:46 < mnemoc> you can't get free of nss_hit if you link against glibc
22:47 < blindy> hrmpf
22:47 < blindy> ok, gonna try linking nethack against uclibc tomorrow
22:47 < mnemoc> the worse part is that nss structure has changed
22:47 < blindy> dietlibc doesn't work yet
22:47 < mnemoc> then you can't run a glibc-2.3 static in a glibc-2.2 machine
22:48 < blindy> then what's static for on a glibc system anyway?
22:48 < blindy> anyway, I got a working compile system using uclibc
22:48 < blindy> going to try linking bzip2, tar and nethack against that tomorrow
22:48 < blindy> good night!
22:48 < mnemoc> uclibc is your friend :)
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23:14 < mnemoc> how do i execute a funcition in postgres?? :\
23:15 < rxr> rehi
23:20 < mnemoc> hi rxr
23:20 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
23:40  * rxr starting a gcc3 (3.4.0) only build ...
23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc33->gcc3 when?
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23:49 < holyolli> re
23:49 < rxr> mnemoc: some days
23:49 < rxr> just posted to the list
23:50 < mnemoc> any news about crontab?
23:50 < rxr> nope - I would need to review the original cron code - and I have never taken a look into it
23:50 < rxr> maybs soe Unix security geeks like SMP or clifford want to take a look
23:52 < rxr> oehm - multiple downloads do not work anymore? No lock ?!?!?
23:52 < rxr> strange
23:52 < mnemoc> can you suggest them to do something soon?
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