--- Log opened Sat May 01 00:00:18 2004
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00:01 < nagi> hi ka	!
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00:01 < nagi> oeha.
00:02 < mnemoc> :)
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00:09 < nagi> gnarf. i'm on high-voltage!
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00:17 < daja77> nagi: lol like bender?
00:17 < nagi> hoeh?
00:18 < daja77> <- watching futurama
00:18 < nagi> hmmm. which season? ;)
00:18 < daja77> in one episode bender was on high voltage
00:18 < daja77> the first for a start
00:19 < daja77> having some more here :)
00:19 < nagi> hehe. ok ;p nah, i'm just mentally on high voltage. could bang my head against the wall
00:19 < nagi> pfff. that's not fair
00:19 < daja77> what's not fair, me watching futurama?
00:20 < nagi> yep
00:20 < daja77> come over here if you like :)
00:20 < nagi> ok :p
00:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i ended my cable tv subscription today :'( )
00:20 < daja77> good choice
00:20 < nagi> alsa-control: mixer attach  error: No such file or directoryA:   3.8 V:   3.8 A-ALSA lib control.c:612:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL
00:20 < daja77> you need about 4h to arrive here ^^
00:21 < daja77> O_o
00:21 < nagi> ^^^^what does it want to tell me? mplayer-to-human-understandable-output-translater needed
00:21 < daja77> no idea
00:22 < nagi> not well. but thx anyway
00:22 < daja77> <- off watching
00:22 < daja77> cu
00:22 < nagi> bye. daja77 . ff
00:22 < daja77> thx :)
00:23 < nagi> aaaaaah!!! my dvd works! i 'm seeing something and hearing *jumps around*
00:23 < nagi> off, too. watching "the virgin suicides". 
00:23 < nagi> bye
00:35 < rxr> cu
00:35 < rxr> n8 all
00:35 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 
00:49 < mnemoc> why [ "$numericvar" != "0" ] is prefered over [ $numericvar -ne 0 ] ? 
01:09 < daja77> it is cooler ^^
01:10 < fake> nagi: that movie is cool
01:10 < daja77> hi fake 
01:11 < fake> <spoiler> THEY ALL DIE </spoiler>
01:11 < daja77> lol
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01:21 < mnemoc> daja77: oh
01:23 < mnemoc> uhm... we are now stealing patches from lfs?
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02:01 < fake> where's esden?
02:02 < fake> i would like to welcome him to the EU ;)
02:05 < mnemoc> how many country were on EU, and how many there are now?
02:05 < mnemoc> what the acronym CE means?
02:06 < mnemoc> fake:
02:07 < fake> it were 15
02:07 < fake> now 10 are new
02:07 < fake> iirc
02:07 < fake> so it's 25 countries now
02:07 < mnemoc> OMG
02:08 < fake> bulgaria and romania try to get in 2007
02:08 < mnemoc> aren't they too poor for that?
02:09 < LowLander> not worse than germany :-)
02:09 < mnemoc> =)
02:09 < fake> mnemoc: i don't know wether there is regulation for that just for joining the EU
02:10 < fake> if you want to participate with the EUR waehrung.. ah... currency, you must fulfill criteria like thath
02:10 < fake> -h
02:10 < LowLander> there is, and Germany, France , Holland and several others are breaking those rules for the X'th year in a row
02:10 < fake> yeah *g*
02:10 < fake> we're so 3v1l
02:11 < fake> nevertheless the euro is a stable currency
02:11 < LowLander> cause the dollar sucks
02:11 < mnemoc> uhm? you mean euro is not the only currency in the EU?
02:11 < fake> no!
02:11  * mnemoc surprised
02:12 < LowLander> swedish krone
02:12 < LowLander> UK pund
02:12 < LowLander> pound
02:12 < fake> the tommys won't give up her queen on their currency
02:12 < mnemoc> i was convised they have been removed
02:12 < fake> mnemoc: no, only a handful of countries participated
02:13 < fake> italy, greece, germany, holland, spain, ... uh... and so on ;)
02:13 < LowLander> well "handful" is like almost all except the UK and Sweden
02:13 < fake> sweden = switzerland
02:13 < fake> ;)
02:13 < fake> ...
02:13 < mnemoc> then WTF exchange 'houses' only offer _that_ european coin (here)
02:13 < fake> boy
02:14 < fake> am i confused
02:14 < fake> sweden != switzerland
02:14 < mnemoc> switzerland = .ch
02:14 < fake> j0
02:14 < LowLander> most of the time sweden == sweden ;-P
02:14 < mnemoc> oh
02:14 < LowLander> switzerland is special anyway ;-)
02:15 < fake> mnemoc: because you americans never travel to europe anyways *g*
02:16 < mnemoc> only japaneese :)
02:16 < fake> Yen
02:16 < LowLander> they do , to smoke in Amsterdam :-)
02:16 < fake> hehehe
02:16 < mnemoc> LOL
02:17 < fake> the ??C3 is perfect for that, too ;)
02:17 < fake> the laws regarding that are incredible hard in the US
02:17 < nagi> remoin
02:17 < fake> hard? strong?
02:17 < fake> nagi: sad? 
02:18 < nagi> what ? who? 
02:18 < LowLander> stupid is the word yer looking for ;-)
02:18 < fake> nagi: because of the movie
02:18 < fake> LowLander: well, they wanted to keep the mexicans out
02:18 < nagi> yep. 
02:18 < fake> nagi: yeah, all dead, such beutiful girls... -_-
02:19 < fake> nagi: what a waste
02:19 < LowLander> well with half the country speaking Spanish already i think that kind of failed
02:19 < nagi> total. :p
02:19 < nagi> it was more sad because of the boys who had to see them dead
02:20 < fake> LowLander: but marijuana is still prohibited. what a pity. hell, what do i care? *puff*
02:20 < fake> nagi: i think they coped with it quite well, i would have gone mad
02:20 < LowLander> hey it is allowed in holland , yer just not allowed to smoke :-)
02:21 < fake> LowLander: i mean prohibited in the US. nobody really cares about it in germany either
02:21 < LowLander> they do in Bavaria ;-)
02:21 < fake> LowLander: as long as you're just a user, there is nothing to be afraid of
02:22  * fake from the heart of bavaria
02:22 < nagi> haha. guys you really have problems ;) heh, just go to a psychatrist and say "oh i'm always on high-voltage. please give me pills against it!" and you get gooooood drugs ;p
02:22  * LowLander from the bottom of bavaria (well not really from , being Dutch)
02:22 < fake> nagi: they're effectively more ecpensive than pott
02:22 < fake> LowLander: below munich?
02:23 < LowLander> Holzkichen
02:23 < fake> hui ;)
02:23 < LowLander> Holzkirchen even
02:23 < nagi> hmm. dunno. you have to pay the 5 - 10 euro... but if you're having a N3-package of dipiperon e.g. - *smiles*
02:24 < nagi> aeh. baeh. stupid printer prints PINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *puke*
02:24 < LowLander> yer printer is gay ;-P
02:24 < nagi> gay? 
02:24 < fake> no, YOU have to pay 5 - 10 EUR - i would have had to pay about 40 - 50 EUR every MONTH!
02:24 < nagi> why gay?
02:24 < LowLander> because it prints pink
02:24 < nagi> fake: just for dipi... not for all pills. 
02:24 < fake> maybe it's a scanner born into the body of a printer?
02:25 < fake> nagi: what's in it? benzodiazepin?
02:26 < mnemoc> fake: i have one of those :\
02:26 < fake> mnemoc: evil stuff.
02:26 < mnemoc> hell yeah
02:26 < nagi> dunno. "leicht potentes neuroleptika" i don't know what it contains exactly... (sitting in another room, and too lazy to move /me )
02:26 < fake> ah! i have taxilat for that.
02:27 < fake> really a kick, if you manage to stay awake
02:27 < nagi> why? 
02:27 < fake> mine always make me kinda sleepy
02:28 < LowLander> ok coma time
02:28 < fake> huh?
02:29 < nagi> yep. mine too... if i'm taking it in the evening... but i have to take 10 mg in the morning + trevilor (75 mg) --> makes more "relaxed" (but i dont "bemerke" something from the antidepr. wirkugn)
02:29 < fake> bemerke = notice 
02:29 < fake> wirkung... hm... effect i'd say
02:29 < nagi> thx. i'm - don't know - in strange mood. like auf entzug
02:30 < fake> turkey ;)
02:30 < nagi> turikeyo0?
02:30 < fake> turky?
02:30 < nagi> rbx h
02:30 < mnemoc> fake: 'auf entzug'?
02:30 < fake> entzug
02:30 < fake> deprivation
02:30 < mnemoc> oh
02:30 < fake> i got 100mg dosises ... *g*
02:31 < nagi> thx. sorry. no trafic free for dict.leo.org
02:31 < nagi> of what?
02:31 < fake> neuroleptika
02:31 < mnemoc> nagi: don't worry, fake translates :)
02:31 < nagi> <- get's hieghets dosises of trevilor. and normal dosis of neuroleptika *har*
02:32 < nagi> btw, might i have found a place for therapy :))))
02:32 < fake> where?
02:33 < nagi> in wolnzach... still have to meet this person for the first 5 sessions... but he has at least a free place 
02:33 < nagi> GAAAAAAAAAH! now i know what i forgot today. shit. *bangs with head against wall*
02:34 < nagi> rotfl. this navigator also includes "fast food"-add-ons :p
02:35 < fake> navigator?
02:35 < nagi> "grosser reiseplaner 2004/2005" from marco polo
02:35 < nagi> http://www.mapandguide.com/Portals/GRP05/start_addon.htm
02:36 < nagi> just need another one for spain/islas de baleares (and gps-support incl. in this one, too)
02:36 < fake> you got a gps mouse?
02:37 < nagi> not yet. but will buy one soon. (might next week). why?
02:40 < nagi> shit. it has also mallorca there
02:41 < fake> because i just finished an order for 3 pcs.
02:41 < nagi> i c. which mouse?
02:42 < fake> http://www.navilock.de/produkte/usb_gps.html
02:42 < fake> i get a pretty good discount
02:44 < nagi> hmm. i just don't see a price...
02:44 < fake> nagi: i'm ordering it via veit (ez)
02:45 < nagi> ok
02:56 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz
02:57 < fake> esden!
02:57 < esden|zZz> fake: !
02:57 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden
02:57 < fake> welcome to the EU!
02:57 < esden> hi ho ... long time no see
02:57 < esden> yes now I am in the same sinking boat as you are ;)
02:58 < fake> i'm gonna call you 'european' now *g*
02:58 < esden> lol
02:58 < esden> thanks
02:58 < esden> very kind of you
02:58 < nagi> hi esden 
02:58  * esden sitting hungry in bitz >_<
02:59 < esden> I only wanted something from mac donalds ... and parked here
02:59 < fake> but?
02:59 < esden> but the closed 5 minutes before I arrived >_<
02:59 < fake> esden: macdrive is open longer
03:00 < esden> and I thought that when I am hungry then I could distract me from that fact starting up my laptop
03:00 < esden> it is not working so well >_<
03:00 < fake> swept away -> mozarelle stick ?
03:01 < fake> *mozarella
03:01 < esden> hmm ... the question is how long the kitchen has open
03:01 < fake> esden: only one way to find out ;) if it's closed already, i suggest 2 long island ice teas
03:01 < esden> woow I found something in the fridge of bitz ... ketchup ;) I could take also the shugar and eat ketchup with shugar or so ;)
03:02 < esden> fake: alcohol is not that good when you still have to drive your car home ;)
03:02 < fake> esden: but you won't want to eat anything anymore ;)
03:03 < esden> fake: that is a true truth
03:03 < fake> are there false truthes ?
03:03 < esden> ok ... I will checkout the fridge at home .. I hope that my parents will not wake up
03:03  * esden be back in half an hour or so ... perhups less
03:03 < fake> ok, bye, european ;)
03:04 < esden> cu fake ;)
03:06 < nagi> bye esden 
03:34 < esden> re hi
03:34 < esden> ok ... now searching for food
03:40  * esden has food now
04:08 < esden> good night everyone
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05:25 < nagi> shit. it's a bit late
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05:49 < bbmak1> i am using redhat 9. how come i don't have rpm --rebuild command??? and when i try rpm -ivh package.src.rpm   it said can not create %sourcedir
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06:49 < mnemoc> what was that?
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07:49 < MadTux> gi
07:49 < MadTux> hi
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08:10 < blindy> moin
08:11 < MadTux> hi blindy und n00kie
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09:49 < nookie_> hi MadTux 
09:56 < MadTux> greetings n00kie
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10:02 < netrunne1> moinsen
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10:14 < rxr> re
10:16 < MadTux> hello rxr
10:21 < netrunner> where is wxwindows?
10:21 < MadTux> nety!
10:21 < netrunner> find package/ -name wxwindows     shows nothing :/
10:21 < netrunner> 932 builds total, 926 completed fine, 6 with errors.
10:26 < netrunner> 3 dependency problems, 2 missing packages in config 
10:26 < netrunner> MadTuxy ;)
10:41 < blindy> it is now called wxwidgets
10:43 < netrunner> when the arrows enter escape characters while trying to move around in insert mode in vim, what is wrong?
10:44 < blindy> $TERM
10:44 < blindy> but this also happens during $TERM conversion
10:45 < blindy> ie, when using something like: ssh -> ssh -> screen -> vim
10:45 < netrunner> I have this problem in a remote screen.
10:45 < netrunner> jup, exactly
10:45 < blindy> I have yet to find a solution
10:45 < blindy> for that
10:45 < blindy> hell, I haven't even found the cause yet
10:46 < blindy> guess it has something to do with ncurses being mixed with termcap or some such
11:00 < tcr> try 
11:00 < tcr> 	:set notimeout		" don't timeout on mappings
11:00 < tcr> 	:set ttimeout		" do timeout on terminal key codes
11:00 < tcr> 	:set timeoutlen=100	" timeout after 100 msec
11:00  * MadTux reallt needing a bed
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11:48 < rxr> hi
11:49 < daja77> hi rxr
11:59 < netrunner> hi daja, rxr
12:00 < daja77> hi netrunner 
12:03 < tcr> netrunner, did it work?
12:14 < netrunner> tcr: not yet tried.
12:15  * netrunner currently searching for the usb-scanner module in 2.6.4
12:18 < rxr> netrunner: why?
12:19 < netrunner> rxr: I want to scan, basically ;)
12:19 < rxr> the last time I saw it it got marked OBSOLETE and does not show up when you have deselected the experimental and/or broken option
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12:19 < rxr> AFAIK you do not need it - you can scan thru libusb from user-space
12:19 < rxr> (at least you do not need it with my SANE/Avision driver - maybe you have a extreme fucked up driver ... :-)
12:20 < rxr> what scanner is this?
12:20 < netrunner> mustek 1200 cu
12:20 < rxr> read the man-page - if libusb works it is far more stable - you do not want the scanner driver
12:23 < netrunner> do I have to activate the usage of libusb somehow? I always typed xsane and it found my scanner :/
12:24 < rxr> is /proc/bus/usb mounted?
12:24 < netrunner> hm, no.
12:24 < rxr> does the scanner device in /proc/bus/usb/00?/??? the correct permissions
12:24 < rxr> if unsure - try as root ...
12:24 < rxr> hm - recent ROCK version mount /proc/bus/usb/...
12:25 < netrunner> ROCK Linux 2.0.1 (2004/03/26)
12:25 < rxr> or maybe you have a custom kernel without usbfs enabled?
12:25 < rxr> to mount manually:
12:25 < netrunner> mounted it now.
12:25 < rxr> mount none /proc/bus/usb -r usbfs
12:25 < rxr> s/-r/-t/ obviously
12:27 < netrunner> ah, ok. now it finds the scanner (as root)
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12:27 < netrunner> thx rxr. I'll check why usbfs does not get mounted at boot.
12:28 < rxr> ROCK Plug should also set the permissions
12:28 < rxr> and really - you do not want the scanner module ;-)
12:28 < netrunner> rxr: I really do not care. I want to scan :)
12:29 < rxr> I guess you want to scan without crashing your workstation ;-)
12:29 < rxr> /etc/rockplug/usb.init:    mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb 2> /dev/null
12:29 < rxr> maybe no ROCK Plug ?
12:30 < rxr> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20040501.html
12:42 < rxr> oh no - my oh my:
12:42 < rxr> The function name for __vmx_longjmp was missspelled which cuased  
12:42 < rxr> longjmp@GLIBC_2.3.4 to be undefined.
12:42 < rxr> are those people crazy? ?!?!? They have not even tagged nor released 2.3.3 and they now work towards 2.3.4?
12:43 < rxr> does glibc transform into a big-distros only hack - which needs tons of patches to compile without future releases?
12:46 < daja77> O_o
12:48 < rxr> hm - my gcc-3.4 glibc does segfault ... :-(
12:57 < netrunner> rxr: rockplug.init stops after mesg "Scanning usb subsystem".
12:58 < netrunner> I cannot find a definition for mesg, only the /usr/bin/mesg  ->  mesg - control write access to your terminal
12:58 < netrunner> ah, yes found it.
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13:11 < netrunner> rxr: /etc/rockplug/usb.init:33 why compare to 2? this removes my usb modules even when I have 001 and devices in /proc/bus/usb
13:13 < rxr> devices and  drivers should be at least present
13:14 < rxr> what does ls /proc/bus/usb yield for you?
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13:19 < netrunner> rxr: when mounted: 001  devices
13:21 < netrunner> could it be that this -le 2 was meant to catch . and .. ?
13:22 < rxr> oehm - ok then this is a 2.6 change ...
13:22 < rxr> the check is not from me - I think it is not necessary anyway
13:22 < rxr> just remove it - I'll do so in ROCK Plug SVN soon, tooo
13:22 < netrunner> 934 builds total, 929 completed fine, 5 with errors. btw. (2 related to electricfence (did never compile here) and a depending)
13:24 < rxr> oh my - my mail logs are growing that fast:
13:24 < rxr> 102M    mainlog
13:24 < rxr> 0       paniclog
13:24 < rxr> 942M    rejectlog
13:24 < rxr> this is not even the full last months ...
13:24 < rxr> month even
13:29 < rxr> damn need to tune my spamassassin again to let "How to reset your Apple.com password" thru ...
13:35 < rxr> hm - cool driver style:
13:35 < rxr> class UniNEnet: public IOEthernetController
13:39 < rxr> hm - cool it does not seem to be too tricky to implement wake-on-lan for my iBook in Linux
13:39 < rxr> I just need to reread the APSL again to make clear it is legal to use my inspiration from those 5 lines of code from the OSX driver ...
13:40 < rxr> otherwise I need to wait for someone else to fix the driver ... :-(
13:41 < rxr> but the OSX ethernet driver I just taken a look on is really pretty
13:42  * rxr putting OpenDarwin based ROCK on the TODO
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13:54 < SMP> the gstreamer people appear to be unable to release code that actually compiles ...
13:55 < rxr> I know
13:56 < rxr> many Gnome people seem to be unable to write non-ugly C code ...
13:59 < LowLander> is there something like "non-ugly" C code ? :-)
13:59 < LowLander> morning , btw
14:00 < rxr> if you ask me no  - but there is better C code then most Gnome packages out there ...
14:01 < rxr> ok - let's see how this goes:
14:01 < rxr> == 14:00:50 =[1]=> Building powerpc/linux24benh [2.4.25-benh1-rxr 2.1.0-DEV].
14:01  * rxr getting used to -rxr special packages ...
14:03 < SMP> $ tty
14:03 < SMP> /dev/pts/262
14:04 < SMP> this kernel appears to have a problem with deallocating ptys ...
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14:08 < rxr> ... - which one is it
14:08 < SMP> 2.6.5
14:11 < rxr> hm - I run only 2.6.3 on my SPARCS ...
14:12 < rxr> btw. has the ACPI problem with your Sony laptop been solved?
14:12 < SMP> well, 'yes'. it was a little different than I thought
14:12 < SMP> the interrupts do get assigned differently, but only the sonypi driver is the problem
14:13 < SMP> not loading it makes everything else work
14:15 < rxr> oj
14:15 < rxr> hm - fietlibc 0.25-final has an interesting change:
14:15 < rxr> --- dietlibc-0.25-rxr/lib/execvp.c      2002-01-21 16:30:17.000000000 +0100
14:15 < rxr> +++ dietlibc-0.25/lib/execvp.c  2004-03-07 22:44:51.000000000 +0100
14:15 < rxr> @@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
14:15 < rxr>      if (execve(buf,argv,environ)==-1) {
14:15 < rxr>        if (errno==ENOEXEC)
14:15 < rxr>         return __exec_shell(buf,argv);
14:15 < rxr> -      if ((errno!=EACCES) && (errno!=ENOENT)) return -1;
14:15 < rxr> +      if ((errno!=EACCES) && (errno!=ENOENT) && (errno!=ENOTDIR)) return -1;
14:15 < rxr>      }
14:15 < rxr>      if (*next==0) break;
14:15 < rxr>      next++;
14:15 < rxr> if this would have fixed our linuxrc problem ...
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14:35 < valentin> war in front of my house...
14:37 < valentin> there are about 500 nazis on one side and even more antifa on the other side
14:37 < blindy> o_O
14:37 < valentin> and three times the police in the middle trying to separate the groups\
14:37 < blindy> make photos :)
14:37 < valentin> damn, i have no digicam here
14:37 < blindy> suchs
14:37 < SMP> you just gotta love Berlin ;-)
14:38 < valentin> but i've seen some indymedia guys filming
14:38 < valentin> SMP: esp on may, 1st
14:40 < valentin> the funny thing: this time the punks are peacefull and the nazis start to riot, so the police started to confront them - this was definitly the first time ever i've seen punks shouting encouragement for the police :)
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14:43 < rxr> valentin: .oO (I should not come over to you today)
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14:44  * netrunner driving to heidelberg
14:45 < valentin> rxr: this would be complicated, since the police blocks "Bahnhof Lichtenberg" and "Lichtenberger Bruecke"
14:46 < valentin> oh, the cheers get louder, so they seem to march forward
14:47  * valentin takes a look outside what's happening now
14:47 < rxr> hey - go on coding!
14:47 < LowLander> hehe
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14:47 < tcr> moin all
14:47  * LowLander looks outside and sees nothing (not suprising for Holzkirchen)
14:48  * tcr enjoys drinking Muellermilch and reading SICP
14:49 < tcr> and listening to music, of course
14:50  * tcr grumbles, because he just realized that Star Trek won't be broadcasted today.. #@!$
14:53 < rxr> ok - next powerpc/linux24benh [2.4.25-benh1-rxr 2.1.0-DEV] try
14:59 < rxr> ok - now it is going beyond the patch applying
14:59 < rxr> valentin: do you want test 2.4.24-benh1-rxr later?
15:00 < rxr> (when it proves to survive a compilation and bootup ...)
15:11 < valentin> rxr" yes
15:12 < valentin> ouh, now there seems to be a streetfight just below my flat
15:14 < valentin> ok, they redirected the nazis into another directions, so the opposing groups start to move away
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15:32 < LowLander> and can you see the bottom of yer car from yer window ?
15:32 < LowLander> or didn't they turn it upside down yet ?
15:46 < valentin> no, they didn't turn any cars upside down
15:47 < valentin> they just threw some traffic signs and other stuff on the street and were beaten by the police
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15:49 < owl> moin
15:50 < valentin> moin owl
15:50 < owl> hi valentin 
16:28 < mnemoc> moin
16:35 < owl> hi mnemoc 
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16:46 < mnemoc> hi owl
16:56 < rxr> rehi
17:02 < link_> hi rxr 
17:02 < link_> hi owl 
17:02 < link_> whereis mike1?
17:02 < link_> locate Mike1
17:02 < link_> find / -name Mike1
17:03 < link_> :/
17:05 < daja77> mike is off and hasn't used this nick for a while
17:07 < rxr> the last time he was here:
17:07 < rxr> 11:12 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"]
17:08 < link_> okay :)
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17:25 [ Aard    ] [ esden|zZz] [ mistik1  ] [ owl    ] [ tcr      ] 
17:25 [ blindy  ] [ fake     ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rolla  ] [ tfing    ] 
17:25 [ Bos^awk_] [ Freak    ] [ nagi     ] [ rxr    ] [ th_      ] 
17:25 [ daja77  ] [ jsaw     ] [ netcrow  ] [ SMP    ] [ togg     ] 
17:25 [ darix   ] [ LowLander] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] [ trekkie3k] 
17:25 [ dsoul   ] [ luckz    ] [ nookie   ] [ StefanG] [ valentin ] 
17:25 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 30 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal]
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17:54 < SMP> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
17:54 < SMP> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
17:54 < SMP> what the hell?
18:05 < rxr> never saw this
18:05 < rxr> what packages?
18:05 < SMP> xfsprogs
18:05 < rxr> ouhm
18:05 < SMP> but only during manual build
18:06  * SMP adds xfsprogs to the list of packges with fucked up autoconf usage
18:10 < SMP> wow, mc is so smart. it creates vc devices in /dev during installation
18:13 < rxr> oh - wow
18:14 < SMP> wow, /root/.mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so is _so_ useful
18:14 < SMP> NOT!
18:15 < rxr> oehm - mozilla creates this file?
18:15 < SMP> no, mplayerplug-in
18:15 < SMP> /tmp/test.wav *rotfl*
18:16 < rxr> oh - mlayer overread this
18:17 < SMP> incredible, the xfs package builds, but it fails manual build in the same environment
18:17 < SMP> s,xfs,&progs,
18:17 < rxr> hm - some ROCK fixup magic?
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18:58 < rxr> damn shit
18:58 < rxr> at least it is time to configure everything to come up after boot up correctly
18:59 < rxr> valentin_: what caused the power shortage?
18:59 < valentin_> don't know. once again a fuse jumped out - but this time nobody had turned of the main fuse
19:00 < rxr> hm
19:00 < valentin_> and there are less consumers on power now than on other days.
19:00 < rxr> maybe s.o. switched on a CRT?
19:00 < valentin_> CRT ?
19:00 < rxr> Cathodic Ray Tube
19:01 < rxr> Or Cathod ?
19:01 < valentin_> no, the tv was on before
19:02 < rxr> Cathode ;-)
19:02 < rxr> ok - exim will come up jailed the next time
19:03 < tcr> switch on mtv
19:03 < valentin_> aehm rene, what did you do with our iptables
19:03 < tcr> LOL, that's to pathetically ridiculous
19:03 < valentin_> i cannot establish any new connection
19:04 < valentin_> oh, forwarding seems to be disabled ?
19:04 < rxr> now ?
19:04  * rxr need to migrate the server to ROCK Net
19:05 < rxr> valentin_: you uped ppp0 manually I guess?
19:05 < valentin_> ok
19:06 < valentin_> yes, and i did not run /etc/conf/....sh
19:07 < rxr> yes I know
19:07  * rxr did this
19:07 < rxr> so svnserve.init is not the one form rocklinux/trunk:HEAD to su http ...
19:07 < rxr> it will also come up automatically next time ...
19:08 < rxr> so what to do with the DSL fluff - hack s.th. - or convert to ROCK Net ...
19:08 < rxr> and finally - what todo with irrsi logging ;-)
19:09 < rxr> irssi even
19:09 < valentin_> rxr: rocknet
19:13 < rxr> oh god:
19:13 < rxr> # du -csh *
19:13 < rxr> 102M    mainlog
19:13 < rxr> 4.0k    paniclog
19:13 < rxr> 946M    rejectlog
19:13 < rxr> 1.1G    total
19:13 < rxr> this damn SPAM crap
19:15 < tcr> So funny. The guy on mtv (currently commercial break) said he's a "total nerd", and mtv showed him surfing at ./ ("news for nerds"), then he exposed his cool "hacker magazine" 2600; and then, which is so utterly funny, he told that 1000 bits are one byte, 1000 bytes are one megabyte, and 1000 megabytes one gigabyte.
19:15 < SMP> well, he's correct
19:15 < tcr> So pathetic
19:16 < SMP> ehm
19:16 < SMP> forget that
19:17 < SMP> I was focussing on the 1000 multiplier (which is correct for kB->MB->GB)
19:17 < tcr> Strictly yeah
19:17 < rxr> 1000 _bits_ ?
19:18 < SMP> rxr: now _that's_ where he's wrong
19:18 < tcr> Well, very strictly and in decimal system
19:19 < SMP> the 1000 multiplier is officially standardized, units with 1024 multiplier have slightly different prefixes
19:24  * rxr just nearly wipped the gcc34 work
19:24 < rxr> but my download is in /dev/null heaven now ...
19:24 < rxr> at least s.th. to saturate my DSL line with ...
19:24 < SMP> =]
19:26 < rxr> why has scp a "-l" option and ssh not ?!?
19:26 < rxr> at least rsync has ....
19:26 < valentin_> rxr: ssh has a -l option
19:27 < valentin_> rxr: but it has a different effect
19:27 < rxr> yeah - sure
19:27 < rxr> I meant equivalent
19:28 < SMP> you need to type really fast if you need bandwidth-limiting for ssh =)
19:28 < rxr> SMP: tunneling rsync, CVS, ... ?
19:29 < SMP> yeah, yeah, I know
19:29 < SMP> not that CVS could perform so fast that limiting it could actually have any effect, though ...
19:30 < rxr> SMP: ;-)
19:30 < rxr> I only wanted to take a look for rsync - I did not know that rsync has an own one
19:31 < rxr> oh - PowerPC64 has hardware sqrt
19:32 < rxr> hehe http://www.blender.org/
19:32 < SMP> are there FPUs that don't? AFAIK even hardcoe RISC CPUs do
19:35 < rxr> ah yes, the x86 has this too - wiped that out of my memory
19:36 < rxr> quite slow - 486 needs 85.5 instructions for it ...
19:36 < rxr> erhm s/intstrcuctions/cycles/
19:42 < SMP> vec_rsqrte() hmmm
19:42 < valentin_> rxr: pcm/tests/ArithmeticTest
19:45 < valentin_> rxr: oh, that was sin not sqrt
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20:51 < rxr> SMP: didn't you once wanted to package pump ?
21:28 < SMP> yes and no ..
21:28 < rxr> ?
21:28 < SMP> we have dhcpcd already, that's just as good
21:29 < SMP> it just needs some rocknet integration
21:29 < rxr> hm - we seem to miss some bind default config files ...
21:30  * rxr just playing with this bind dung for the first time
21:30 < rxr> (yes I know there a tinier, prettier, more secure nameservers out there ...)
21:30 < SMP> *shrug* I stopped using it ... years ago
21:30 < rxr> do you have s.th. better handy not using djb init crap?
21:31  * rxr just needs a forwarder + local resolution
21:31 < rxr> nothing for the wild ...
21:32 < SMP> hmm, some things exist, but I can't recommend anything
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22:16 < daja77> why the heck it is not possible to build a hppa cross compiler with gcc 3.2.3 >_<
22:23 < SMP> it isn't?
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22:29 < rxr> SMP: any tiny suggestion into what nameserver to look into?
22:29 < rxr> s.th. not needing djb service s.th. mess
22:31 < SMP> I don't know anything else if you're looking for something lightweight for mostly resolving business
22:35 < rxr> hm
22:38 < SMP> a few things exist, but I can't point you do anything particular
22:38 < rxr> maybe s.th. not that bad to start with?
22:38 < mnemoc> re
22:39 < SMP> really, I don't know any names in that class ;)
22:39 < rxr> ok
22:39 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:39 < rxr> cu all
22:39 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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22:45 < daja77> SMP: no i get strange compile errors
22:59 < ridley> How does rock have depency "detection"?
23:02 < SMP> we trace all file accesses, so we know which files a package creates and which files of other packages it accesses
23:03 < SMP> this gets you automagic build dependencies
23:04 < ridley> Thats interesting...
23:04 < SMP> which can (could) be automatically reduced to run-time dependencies, but that's not being done at the moment
23:05 < SMP> only in the brains of the person who does the install
23:06 < ridley> I read on the rock sie about not keeping backwards compatibility, is there somekind of system to automatically keep-restore important files such as fstab or make.conf?
23:06 < ridley> I should probably say not _focusing_ on back-compat
23:09 < mnemoc> on 2.x 'series' we do
23:10 < ridley> mnemoc: back-compat or automatic file protection
23:10 < mnemoc> back-compat, automatic file protection has been there for a while
23:12 < ridley> Gotcha
23:13 < mnemoc> but.. back-compat has been very present too.... we still carry bdb33, glibc22 and gcc2.95
23:13 < mnemoc> (just as a few examples)
23:14 < ridley> SO, I was interested in installing rock, but I was unclear on how to go about starting, it seemd like the iso's were unnoffical and possibly outdated, I was unlear as to which one to grab
23:16 < mnemoc> ROCK is not a bunch of isos, ROCK is the framework to build sub-rock distributions
23:16 < mnemoc> you can start installing a 'minimal' and then build your own, or Emerge stuff over it
23:16 < ridley> I guess I don't understand exactly what Rock is, I'm thinking of Gentoo, or source mage as comparison
23:18 < mnemoc> ROCK produce isos you install in how many machines you want, and it _also_ has tools to work as gentoo
23:19 < ridley> Does ROCK have its own package mangement system? WHy would you use rock and then gentoo tools instead of just using gentoo
23:20 < mnemoc> ROCK work with it's own package format (.gem) which you can install using `mine`
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23:20 < owl> remoin
23:21 < mnemoc> it can also work with the classic .tar.bz2 to install prebuilt binaries (built using ROCK's framework)
23:22 < mnemoc> ROCK let's you build in your best machine and install wherever you want :)
23:22 < mnemoc> hi owl
23:22 < mnemoc> and as many times as you want
23:23 < mnemoc> it's not a 'source based' distribution, it's a distribution build kit
23:24 < ridley> so the purpose of rock is to build a distribution, not so much _be_ a distribution?
23:25 < mnemoc> the built distribution is a distribution :)
23:25 < mnemoc> you can use it an maintain it as any distribution
23:25 < mnemoc> but ROCK itself is not a distribution
23:26 < ridley> Has anyone built any popular distros using ROCK?
23:27 < mnemoc> at least to me, 'popular' is not a priority, stable and easy to maintain are.
23:27 < SMP> depends on your definition of 'popular' ;>
23:27 < mnemoc> =)
23:27 < SMP> but no, no 'popular' distributions are based on Rock
23:28 < ridley> I've seen claims that linux is the most popular OS =) which I agree in that sense
23:30 < mnemoc> 'people' want's a free ms windows-like OSs, and that make popular linux based distributions
23:31 < mnemoc> s/want's/wants/
23:35 < ridley> My family uses Linux from time to time and don;t even realise it, as long as they can play minesweeper, browse the web, and write a document here or there, its all good
23:35  * daja77 now buildung gcc 3.4 cross compiler ...
23:36 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
23:36 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
--- Log closed Sun May 02 00:00:47 2004