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--- Log opened Sun May 02 00:00:47 2004 00:15 -!- ridley [~ridley@75.108.35.65.cfl.rr.com] has left #rocklinux ["piece!"] 00:43 -!- nookie [~nookie@M360P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:57 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:59 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M299P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02 < daja77> the gnu toolchain just sucks 01:12 < mnemoc> :) 01:12 < daja77> for gcc i need glibc-headers, whic do not build due old assembeler >_< 01:13 < daja77> and so on 01:13 < daja77> which is btw bullshit cos this glibc does build with that assembler ... 01:14 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C3A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:21 < mnemoc> can i var_append an empty element? 01:21 < daja77> guess so 01:22 < daja77> anyway don't bother with that crap more before having slept 01:22 < daja77> n8 01:22 < mnemoc> better lcuk tomorrow daja77 01:22 < mnemoc> luck* 01:22 < daja77> thx >_< 01:23 < daja77> wanna puke? read this https://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2003-06/msg00170.html 01:23 < LowLander> evening 01:23 * mnemoc takes a deep breath 01:23 < mnemoc> good $localtime LowLander 01:25 < LowLander> :-) 01:40 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4F154.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:40 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p5480335A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:40 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 02:33 < mnemoc> evil patch ready for departure 02:55 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-144-137.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:18 < SMP> mnemoc: still there? 04:41 < mnemoc> re 04:41 < mnemoc> SMP: i'll symlink to include/ based on the same libs list i use for .so files 05:16 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-016-034.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:47 < mnemoc> uhm... subversion is broken in both trees :\ 05:51 < Aard> some more or less funny stuff: https://bwachter.lart.info/demo.html 05:51 < Aard> (about 2.4mb, with modgzip ~100k, needs about 80mb ram for rendering the page) 06:46 -!- togg [~togg@pD9E5B0F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:51 -!- togg [~togg@pD9E5BD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:17 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:26 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:43 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M217P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:00 -!- nookie [~nookie@M360P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:31 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBEC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:47 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBFA91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:23 < fake> Aard: that's what i call 'inline' graphics *g* 10:24 < fake> i'd 10:33 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F154.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["network restructuring"] 11:07 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801CAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:07 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 11:07 < blindy> rehi 11:11 < nookie_> Hi blindy :) 11:31 < rxr> rehi - moin 2 * 11:32 < daja77> moin 11:33 < rxr> moinda 11:33 < daja77> :) 11:33 < rxr> ja77 ;-)) 12:00 * rxr now trying: 12:00 < rxr> CVS pserver anoncvs@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/glibc -D 2004-05-01 libc/ 12:01 < daja77> .oO (don't remind me) 12:01 < rxr> damn glibc crap 12:01 < daja77> ! 12:01 < rxr> they now work on 2.3.4 stuff - without even having a 2.3.3 tarball 12:13 < rxr> ok - next try: 12:13 < rxr> 118M downloaded from CVS archive (download finished). 12:13 < rxr> cksum-test (bzip2): download/base/glibc23/glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01.tar.bz2 12:15 < daja77> 118mb ... 12:15 < rxr> dowloaded compressed - so less on the wire 12:37 < rxr> == 12:28:39 =[0]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV]. 12:37 < rxr> == 05/02/04 12:36:24 =[0]=> Finished building package glibc23. 12:37 < rxr> ok - so far so good 12:38 < daja77> .oO (building a cross compiler sucks a big deal) 12:40 < rxr> no - only the uglyness of gcc 12:40 < rxr> and the lack of documentation 12:41 < rxr> AFAIS the rock linux build scripts are the best documentation fo this ... 12:42 < daja77> i fear that's true 12:48 < daja77> their docs are a joke, all it says building a cross compiler might not work like building a native compiler 13:42 < rxr> == 05/02/04 13:33:46 =[0]=> Finished building package gcc3. 13:42 -!- janni [~jaddi@pD9E71AC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:43 < rxr> hi janni 13:43 < janni> hi 13:43 -!- janni [~jaddi@pD9E71AC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.7.3 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 13:52 -!- janix [~jandie@pD9E71AC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:54 -!- janix [~jandie@pD9E71AC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.7.3 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 14:06 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-44.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < rxr> ok - now it get's interessting: 14:12 < rxr> == 14:07:34 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV]. 14:14 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-253.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:14 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:38 < daja77> rxr: building on ppc? 14:47 < rxr> yes 14:49 < daja77> urgs read gcc3.conf makes me sick 14:59 < rxr> ok - glibc is now doing "localedata" 15:00 * rxr 's iBook si doing too much stuff - like Emerging xemacs in parallel ... 15:02 < daja77> this sucking debian installer gets another /. story 15:02 < daja77> *gna* 15:03 < lowy> afternoon 15:03 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 15:05 < daja77> Some of the improvements include experimental support for the 2.6 kernel, on i386 only. *ROTFL* 15:05 < LowLander> ohh is it bitch about debian day ? :-) 15:06 < daja77> huh? 15:07 < LowLander> <daja77> this sucking debian installer gets another /. story <-- 15:07 < daja77> yeah just don't get what you mean by debian day 15:08 < LowLander> well yer bitching about it today :-) 15:08 < daja77> yeah because this crap was posted _today_ 15:09 < daja77> and because there is no news in this writing 15:09 < LowLander> so it is "bitch about debian"-day 15:09 < rxr> "experimental support for the 2.6 kernel, on i386 only." ?!? 15:09 < LowLander> well you actually expect "news" on /. ? 15:09 < daja77> no i guess i will continue tomorrow? 15:09 < daja77> rxr: yep in the installer ... 15:10 < daja77> i have no idea what they are doin to this thing 15:10 < rxr> yes - it looks like the old one - nothing really special ... 15:11 < rxr> but /. freaks up on ti 15:11 < rxr> not that they have been able to release news about ROCK Linxu 2.0 ... 15:11 < daja77> they just suck 15:11 < LowLander> is there anything like a roadmap for ROCK ? 15:11 < rxr> debian, /. - or both ? ;-) 15:11 < rxr> ohem 15:12 < daja77> both 15:12 < rxr> LowLander: other then maintaining 2.0 - developing in 2.1 and so on? 15:12 < rxr> to be done stuff is in the bug/feature tracker 15:12 < rxr> www.rocklinux.net/flyspray 15:12 < LowLander> yeah something with dates 15:13 < LowLander> like the GNOME roadmap 15:13 < rxr> not up to now 15:13 -!- Bos^awk [~BoS@dialin-212-144-081-189.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:13 * LowLander really likes the concept of ROCK 15:14 < LowLander> but am still "learning" 15:16 < LowLander> I am (trying to) building a Linux distro specially for Theater/Stage use 15:18 < rxr> LowLander: what programs are then used in Theater / Stage? 15:19 < LowLander> well first off all lightinbg and show control programs 15:19 < LowLander> but almost nothing that works on Linux 15:19 < rxr> those already exist? 15:20 < LowLander> the idea is to offer a Linux distro specially made for that area so that more of those programms will be made for Linux 15:20 < rxr> for any ditribution creation task - just use ROCK ;- 15:21 < rxr> ) 15:21 < LowLander> yep , that was the plan 15:21 < LowLander> just trying to work myself into the way ROCK works 15:22 < LowLander> espcially on how to make own "targets" like the router or desktop distribution 15:23 * LowLander should create a "ROCK_N_ROLL" distribution ;-) 15:23 < daja77> ;-) 15:23 < LowLander> btw i read something (ROCK is still downloading, so couldn't try yet) about the network config tool 15:24 < LowLander> cause most Lighting/theater ppl are very confused about IP-number and the like 15:26 < LowLander> and when it runs on a laptop they have different network setups every time, something like the OS/X network-config-switching tool thingy would be very usefull 15:26 < LowLander> is the ROCK network"thingy" anything like that or did i miss understood ? 15:28 < rxr> yes the ROCK Net includes support for profiles 15:28 < rxr> so you just have home, ofice, stage setups 15:28 < LowLander> ok thats cool 15:28 < rxr> althought it isnot yet graphical - but that could be done for those ... 15:28 < LowLander> yeah 15:29 < LowLander> what GUI does ROCK prefer ? GNOME, KDE, plain GTK, plain Qt , Xlib ? 15:30 < rxr> does not matter - all included 15:30 < rxr> just disable what you do not need 15:30 < daja77> guess he meant with which toolkit to implement that 15:30 < LowLander> true, still thinking abotu ROCK as a distribution, and not as a distro-builder :-) 15:31 < LowLander> but yeah Suse for example prefers KDE 15:31 < LowLander> when redhat/fedora rather use GTK 15:31 < daja77> kde is rock default 15:31 < LowLander> that sucks ;-) 15:31 < LowLander> bloodie germans and their KDE ;-) 15:32 < rxr> daja77: that is not really true 15:32 < daja77> you could change this default in your distro 15:32 < rxr> ROCK does not prefer anythinkg 15:32 < LowLander> yeah i will seriously strip it anyway 15:33 < rxr> that kde comes up is just the default windowmanager selection - nothing really serious 15:33 < LowLander> not needing most of the stuff of a "normal" distro 15:33 < LowLander> also the installing should just install everything 15:33 < daja77> yes 15:33 < LowLander> but ROCK looks very promissing 15:34 < LowLander> I might and up as a developer :-) 15:34 < rxr> you are welcome 15:34 < LowLander> :-) 15:35 < LowLander> how big is the community anyway 15:35 < LowLander> of developers that is 15:36 < rxr> 20 core peolpe or so > 50 continous contributors (at least) 15:36 < LowLander> oh good 15:36 < LowLander> so not a "one man show" 15:36 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/community.html 15:36 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/gallery.html 15:36 < LowLander> yep "wer lesen kann ist klar in vorteil" :-) 15:36 < LowLander> oops :-) 15:37 < rxr> (hm - although the galery still does not even list all core people ...) 15:37 < LowLander> what are the rules for accepting new things like new targets ? 15:38 < rxr> LowLander: there are not big policy files - when the code is usefull and licensed correctly under the GPL - there might be some code cleanup suggestions and it goes in .... 15:38 < rxr> useful even 15:39 < LowLander> ok the usuall open source model, thats good 15:40 < LowLander> <--- big GPL fan , so licenses will not be a problem 15:48 * rxr shortly away 15:52 < StefanG> th_ is a rock developer? ohh :) 15:52 < daja77> yep longer than me 15:53 < StefanG> wow 15:53 < StefanG> god to know :) 15:53 < StefanG> ähh, good2know .) 15:55 * rxr back later 15:56 < LowLander> btw hows your experiance with svn ? 15:56 < rxr> LowLander: no seroius problems - commit activity at: 15:56 < rxr> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de 15:57 < LowLander> better than CVS ? 15:57 < rxr> no questions - yes 15:57 * LowLander is considering on switching his internal reposetories to SVN 15:58 < LowLander> especially the "disconnected" diff and the like features sound interesting 15:58 < rxr> if you want even more disconnected sutff take a look at: 15:59 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html 15:59 * rxr finally off now ... ;-)~ 15:59 < LowLander> cya 15:59 < LowLander> thanks for the info 16:43 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:51 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M217P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:59 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:00 < mnemoc> moin 18:10 < valentin_> moin mnemoc 18:11 < mnemoc> valentin_: do u know we svn-swig is built mandatorily? 18:11 < mnemoc> s/we/why/ 18:13 < mnemoc> is it needed by svn-1.0 or just an 'optional' feature? 18:16 < mnemoc> rxr: ping 18:22 < valentin_> mnemoc: rxr is away 18:22 < mnemoc> :( 18:22 < valentin_> he is the svn expert 18:23 < mnemoc> =) 18:24 < mnemoc> valentin_: do you have street fighting in front of your home offen? 18:24 < mnemoc> often* 18:25 < valentin_> mnemoc: no, just on may 1st 18:28 < valentin_> mnemoc: there was some coverage on de.indymedia.org (in german) 18:28 < mnemoc> pics? 18:29 < valentin_> yes, you can see the nazis on https://de.indymedia.org/2004/05/82168.shtml 18:30 < valentin_> and the opposing rioters on https://de.indymedia.org/2004/05/82126.shtml 18:31 < valentin_> there are two realplayer videos on https://de.indymedia.org/2004/05/82014.shtml 18:32 < mnemoc> the guys on green are military or police? 18:32 < valentin_> the police 18:32 < LowLander> riot-police 18:32 < valentin_> there are many more articles with pics on indymedia (too lazy to quote them all) 18:33 < mnemoc> thanks :) 18:34 < owl> wtf is the command 'cmp'? 18:34 < mnemoc> compare 18:34 < owl> and in which package should it be? 18:34 < owl> thx. 18:35 < mnemoc> diffutils 18:35 < owl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. k. thx. 18:38 < owl> hmm. and a time-server could be found where? ;) 18:38 * mnemoc downloading .rm-s 18:40 < valentin_> is there a free codec for rm available ? 18:41 < mnemoc> i'll use 'real alternative' for windows :p 18:43 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < valentin_> mplayer works, but imho they use binary codecs... 18:44 < valentin_> btw: in the first video, when the police starts to break the blockade by the protesters sitting on the ground, that's in front of my home 18:44 < mnemoc> :) 18:45 < valentin_> when the camera moves around while the cameraman flees, you can see my flat... 18:50 < mnemoc> that happens every year or this was something special? 18:53 < valentin_> well, thats a bit complicated. 18:53 < valentin_> basicaly yes 18:53 < valentin_> but the plot is different every year 18:54 < valentin_> on may 1st there are many radical groups in berlin, demonstrating. 18:56 < valentin_> it is an old tradition that some young people start to fight the police in the night after the demonstrations 18:56 < valentin_> BTW: is demonstration the right term for the german Demonstration ? 18:57 < rxr> re 18:57 < valentin_> and then there is a nazi demo on may 1st, too 18:57 < valentin_> rxr: hi 19:02 < rxr> valentin_: thanks for raising our google rating w/ all this links and non-rock words !! ;-)! 19:02 < rxr> cooll !!!! 19:02 < rxr> yeah yeah yeah! !!! 19:02 < rxr> the glibc-2.3.4-cvs snapshots build w/ gcc-3.4.0 _and does not segfault_ !!! 19:02 < rxr> my powerpc build is in stage2 now ;-)! !!! 19:03 < valentin_> google search : may 1st demonstration berlin -> www.rocklinux.net :) 19:03 < rxr> ;-)! 19:03 < valentin_> no, just joking 19:03 < rxr> I know 19:03 < LowLander> heheh 19:03 < LowLander> thats cool :-) 19:04 < rxr> so far only base/module-init-tools failed 19:04 < rxr> with this gcc-3.4.0 / glibc-2.3.4-cvs combination 19:13 < mnemoc> hi rxr 19:13 * rxr updating module-init-tools 0.9.14 -> 3.0 ... ;-) 19:13 < rxr> hi mnemoc 19:13 < mnemoc> can you commen the subversion patch i sent? 19:13 < rxr> oh - have not noticed this yet ... 19:13 < mnemoc> :p 19:14 < mnemoc> brb 19:15 -!- valentin_ is now known as valetin 19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: I already send in such a patch 19:16 -!- valetin is now known as valentin 19:16 * valentin ... 19:17 < rxr> mnemoc: you do not seem to be on head 19:18 < rxr> there we have: 19:18 < rxr> # if swig is present build and install the perl 19:18 < rxr> pkginstalled swig && hook_add postmake 5 "svn_inst_pl" 19:18 < rxr> cool 19:18 < rxr> == 05/02/04 19:18:32 =[1]=> Finished building package module-init-tools. 19:19 < rxr> so far no build errors using this gcc-3.4.0 / glibc-2.3.4-cvs combination 19:26 < rxr> I think I'll skill the installation of ROCK 2.0.1 on my iBook 19:26 < rxr> and directly use the glcc-3.4.0 / glibc-2.3.4-cvs output ... 19:27 * rxr will do some more low-level work this evening 19:27 < rxr> submitting the gcc/glibc work and announcing this on the news site 19:27 * rxr thinks we need more news and PR ... 19:30 < rxr> cool 19:30 < rxr> The -MP flag tells GCC >= 3.2 (which we now require) to produce dummy 19:30 < rxr> targets for headers so that removed headers don't break the build. 19:30 < rxr> in the GSMP Makefiles I do this with sed ... 19:31 < rxr> hm - but since GSMP does not want to rely on GCC >= 3.2 I'll not use it ... 19:32 < rxr> valentin: strange - since I removed all the /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages files and reinstalled clean one xemacs-beta crashes now here, tooo 19:34 < valentin> rxr: yes (you told me before :) 19:34 < LowLander> hmmm ROCK is still downloading 19:34 * LowLander shoudl get TDSL-3000 19:35 < mnemoc> rxr: pkginstall is evil 19:35 < mnemoc> if swig is enabled but fail to build, subversion will just skip that part and claim everything worked 19:36 < rxr> valentin: tought you have not got thsi - and I just finished to reEmerge-pkg xemacs-beta ... 19:36 < mnemoc> i if-ed the whjole block to not define the function if it will not be used :p 19:36 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - since if it fails the var/adm package file is present 19:36 < rxr> but if you look a bit higher in submaster you'll see my other submission 19:37 < rxr> changing pkginstalled to do s.th. different for stage-9 19:37 < valentin> rxr: thsi ? 19:37 < rxr> this 19:37 < valentin> ah 19:37 < rxr> !stage-9: do check the package build list 19:37 < valentin> i just looked for a package named thsi ,) 19:38 < rxr> stage-9: (rebuild or manual build) use dynamic detection using $root/var/adm ... 19:38 < rxr> valentin: ;-) 19:39 < mnemoc> i don'tlike pkginstall :\ 19:39 < rxr> why - it simplifies all this like hell 19:39 < mnemoc> i see it as a hack to make it usable with Emerge-Pkg 19:39 < rxr> _and_ makes it flexible so the right thig is done depending how a package is build 19:39 < rxr> no 19:40 < rxr> it is a feature improvement to make maual in-system build useable 19:40 < mnemoc> a wrong blind other is wrongly reflected in pkginstall 19:40 < mnemoc> s/blind/build/ 19:40 < rxr> I do not want to break a mplayer or xine build just because some yet-another-streaming/codec is not installed on my system but in my desktop target build list 19:41 < rxr> mnemoc: with the change I have in submaster everything is fine for your use-case 19:41 < mnemoc> i ack that 19:41 < mnemoc> my but is one the philosophical use of pkginstall :p 19:42 < mnemoc> s/one/with/ 19:42 < rxr> static build-list check for anything !stage-9 and a dynamic check for rebuld (where anything is present anyway) and so manual buildsd (where optional dependencies might be missing) 19:42 < mnemoc> mmm 19:42 < rxr> this is exactly how we need this 19:43 < rxr> nothing hacky 19:43 < mnemoc> is that the current implemtnation' 19:43 < mnemoc> ? 19:43 < rxr> that is the implementation lingering around in submaster 19:43 < rxr> the current implementation always does dynamic checking 19:43 < rxr> thus the improvement in submaster 19:44 * rxr waiting for this cool gcc-3.4 buidl to progress 19:44 < mnemoc> rxr: what do u think about bdb cleanup patch? 19:45 < mnemoc> (damn modem connection... more than a minute of latency :() 19:46 < rxr> I saw this from the corner of my eye's 19:46 < rxr> I need to review this 19:46 < rxr> but I can already say that such is not a 2.0 topic 19:46 < rxr> it shoudl be ABI stable 19:46 < rxr> (where I count databases to a dist ABI;-) 19:47 < rxr> but I think about releasing 2.1 in soem months when gcc-3.4 and glibc2.3.4-cvs work out ... 19:47 < mnemoc> re 19:47 < rxr> have you got my last 5 lines? 19:48 < mnemoc> yep 19:48 < mnemoc> screen did 19:50 < mnemoc> the current problem is that if you don't enalbe bdb41 you get no default bdb, which is a real propbm in 2.0 19:50 < rxr> oh 19:50 < rxr> please remind me on this 19:50 < rxr> I review this - but anything changing the default bdb will not go into 2.0 ... 19:51 < mnemoc> no, 4.1 _Still_ default after the patch 19:51 < rxr> ok - I review 19:51 < mnemoc> thanks :) 19:52 < mnemoc> i'm using 2.0 in production and i don't want it to be a highly-hacked branch 19:53 < rxr> highly-hacked means? 19:54 < mnemoc> stuff like bdb patch 19:54 < mnemoc> and some updates 19:55 < mnemoc> to be able to sm sync without getting _lot_ of conflicts :p 20:02 < LowLander> ok i downloaded everything now 20:02 < LowLander> but get the following error when building 20:02 < LowLander> chown: changing ownership of `.': Operation not permitted 20:02 < mnemoc> -all or -.required? 20:02 < LowLander> and that list goes on for ever 20:02 < LowLander> -required 20:03 < mnemoc> uhm 20:03 < LowLander> the dirs are owned by me 20:03 < mnemoc> you have to brock using only 'root' 20:03 < LowLander> and i build as my 20:03 < mnemoc> rock* 20:03 < mnemoc> (aaarg... i don't even see what i write :\) 20:04 < rxr> LowLander: you need to buid ROCK as root 20:04 < rxr> (I guess mnemoc wants to write ;-) 20:05 < LowLander> ah ok 20:05 < LowLander> any special reason why ? 20:05 * rxr wonderis if I forgot to mention this in the Handbook ... 20:05 < rxr> now on TODO 20:06 < LowLander> i rather not run (unkown) stuff as root 20:06 < rxr> rock linxu needs to chroot - this is root only 20:06 < rxr> (for the sandbox) 20:06 < mnemoc> re 20:06 < LowLander> ah ok 20:07 < rxr> in addition several programs require to set special permissions on files and/or dirs - many combinations are also only allowed to be set as root + chown/grp'ing files/dirs ...) 20:07 < LowLander> what packege is fuser part of ? 20:07 < rxr> oehm 20:08 * rxr grep still running 20:08 < rxr> psmisc 20:08 < mnemoc> blindy did a web interface for that 20:09 < rxr> the regression tester will soon have on, too 20:09 < mnemoc> LowLander: https://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl 20:10 * rxr .oO ( ) 20:10 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:13 < mnemoc> (what antifa means?) 20:16 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:17 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 20:19 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't see your patch for subversion/swig on submaster 20:20 < rxr> isn't this already in HEAD 20:21 < rxr> it is 20:21 < rxr> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/package/rene/subversion/subversion.conf 20:22 < mnemoc> uhm... my dif to trunk doesn't show it ..,. uhmmm 20:22 < rxr> not 2.0 ... 20:22 < rxr> are you in 2.0 ? 20:22 < mnemoc> both 20:22 < rxr> it is in trunk 20:22 < rxr> but not yet in branches/2.0 20:22 < rxr> -stable 20:23 < mnemoc> i'll discard the mpatch and merge with trunk then 20:24 < rxr> (although it should be in stable 20:24 < rxr> ) 20:24 < rxr> I need to reserve a day next week for 2.0-stable work next week 20:24 < mnemoc> (only that part, of course) 20:24 < rxr> == 18:08:57 =[2]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.4.0 2.1.0-DEV]. 20:24 < rxr> == 05/02/04 20:24:14 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc3. 20:25 < rxr> oh! My build entered stage 3 20:26 < mnemoc> congratulations! 20:26 < rxr> now I need to test it on x86m, too 20:26 < rxr> otherwise you all will scream up again 20:39 < blindy> rehi 20:41 < mnemoc> hi blindy 20:41 < blindy> rxr: are you going to use my sonar or are you going to create your own?L 20:43 < rxr> I guess I will simply create s.th. more lightweight (non perl IIRC yours was Perl ...) 20:43 < blindy> hmm ok 20:43 < blindy> then there's no real point in continuing my work, is there? 20:44 < rxr> I'll not tell you to stop your work - you need to decide for yourself ... 20:44 < mnemoc> oh 20:45 < mnemoc> oh 20:46 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 20:46 < blindy> just thought, cause having it on my machine at home renders it almost useless 20:46 < blindy> so if you say you're going to use something else for this purpose then I'll invest my work into other fields 20:49 < rxr> hm, a new callenge for my gcc-3.4.0 / glibc-2.3.4-cvs : 20:49 < rxr> == 20:43:33 =[3]=> Building base/perl5 [5.8.3 2.1.0-DEV]. 20:49 < mnemoc> to the blindy-sexbomb field :) 20:50 < blindy> mnemoc: ??? 20:51 < mnemoc> some weeks ago you said you can only be seen with at least 3 girls around you :) 20:52 < blindy> weeks? has it been that long already? 20:52 < blindy> well, today there were three girls, alright :-) 20:52 < mnemoc> =) 21:04 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:02:12 =[3]=> Finished building package perl5. 21:04 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:04:25 =[3]=> Finished building package gdbm. 21:04 < rxr> this does not look bad 21:12 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:12:46 =[3]=> Finished building package gettext. 21:13 * LowLander thinks building ROCK will take a long while on his machine 21:17 < mnemoc> LowLander: consider using a different machine for buildings 21:17 < LowLander> what diffrent machine 21:18 < LowLander> my P4 2GHz is the fastest i have :-) 21:18 < mnemoc> don't know :) office, univ, frined, something faster than yours 21:18 < mnemoc> oh.... that's fast enought :) 21:19 < rxr> LowLander: a P4 is really sufficent 21:19 < LowLander> other choises are my 1.6GH laptop, 800MHz athlon, 800MHz C3 21:19 < LowLander> or a dual pentium 133MHz :-) 21:19 < rxr> the numbers I post are from a 800Mhz iBook ... 21:19 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:13:27 =[3]=> Finished building package zlib. 21:19 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:16:50 =[3]=> Finished building package bash. 21:20 < rxr> seldom was a build that interesting 21:20 < LowLander> well when yer waiting nothing is fast enough :-) 21:20 < mnemoc> forget about your build for one day 21:20 < LowLander> how much diskspace does a full builöd take ? 21:20 < mnemoc> and disable rebuild stage 21:21 < mnemoc> that depend of your build :) 21:21 < LowLander> desktop- 2.0 21:21 < mnemoc> target, template and package selection 21:21 < mnemoc> 3GB? 21:21 < LowLander> oh all within acceptable parameters 21:22 < LowLander> still got 114G free on that machine :-) 21:23 < mnemoc> how much ram? 21:23 < mnemoc> using tempfs for builds is a big improve 21:23 < LowLander> ram is the problem , only 512 21:24 < LowLander> but it is just compiling , and the day is almost over anyway 21:25 < mnemoc> [15:24:34] <LowLander> [..] the day is almost over anyway 21:26 < LowLander> 9:30 here 21:26 < LowLander> some TV coming up, or some PS2 and than work tomorow 21:26 < LowLander> so it can compile until tomorow evening untill i have time agian to look at it 21:29 < rxr> I do not recommend tmpfs 21:29 < rxr> a full desktop buidl takes ~5-6 GB 21:30 < blindy> I _do_ recommend it 21:30 < blindy> even with only a 21:30 < blindy> LVP build it speeded up by >20% in my last benchmark 21:30 < blindy> I'd like to know the difference in a complete build 21:31 < rxr> if anyone wants to lear snooker "EUROSPART" is the station to watch 21:31 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:22:24 =[3]=> Finished building package coreutils. 21:31 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:22:55 =[3]=> Finished building package mktemp. 21:31 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:24:52 =[3]=> Finished building package texinfo. 21:32 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:25:57 =[3]=> Finished building package less. 21:32 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:30:18 =[3]=> Finished building package groff. 21:32 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:31:34 =[3]=> Finished building package man. 21:32 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:32 < blindy> nice machine :) 21:33 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:33:01 =[3]=> Finished building package joe. 21:33 < rxr> LowLander: an this buid times are produced on a 800Mhz iBook ... ;-) 21:34 < LowLander> rxr how well does it work on apple hardware ? 21:35 < rxr> (but w/ gcc-3.4.0 which is a bit faster then gcc-3.2/3.3) 21:35 < blindy> rxr: try this on a 500MHz Sun with a 5400 rpm IDE-HD 21:35 < rxr> LowLander: with all the fixes/improvements i did during ROCK Linux development I would give it a 1- or so 21:36 < rxr> some tiny convenience issues remain to be resolved 21:36 < LowLander> a german 1- ? 21:36 < rxr> ah yes 21:36 < rxr> but it is near perfect 21:36 < LowLander> so pretty good 21:36 < rolla> re 21:36 < rxr> especially since suspend to RAM works perfectly 21:36 < blindy> anyway 21:36 * blindy --> bed 21:36 < rxr> there are months where I do not reboot the box - just close it and carry it around 21:36 < rxr> cu blindy 21:36 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:34:41 =[3]=> Finished building package nvi. 21:37 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:36:34 =[3]=> Finished building package bison. 21:37 < LowLander> rxr oh good suspend to RAM is nice 21:37 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 21:38 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:37:18 =[3]=> Finished building package autoconf. 21:38 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:37:52 =[3]=> Finished building package automake. 21:40 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:39:54 =[3]=> Finished building package libtool. 21:40 < rxr> LowLander: dynamic CPU freq scaling does also work -- backlight dimming, too 21:40 < LowLander> nice 21:41 < LowLander> not half those features work on my vaio 21:41 < rxr> LowLander: this is why I invested in a PowerPC notebook 21:42 < LowLander> well i liked the big screen on the vaio 21:42 < LowLander> it is more a mobile work station for me than a real "laptop" 21:42 < rxr> ah - and with 400Mhz scalled CPU and slightly dimmed backlight, typing text, running latex and listening mp3/OggVorbis the battery life is nearly 5 hours ... 21:43 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:39:54 =[3]=> Finished building package libtool. 21:43 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:41:08 =[3]=> Finished building package libelf. 21:43 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:42:49 =[3]=> Finished building package prelink. 21:43 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:43:15 =[3]=> Finished building package cracklib. 21:44 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:44:31 =[3]=> Finished building package pam. 21:45 < owl> exit 21:45 < owl> meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep 21:49 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:49:03 =[3]=> Finished building package shadow. 21:52 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:52:01 =[3]=> Finished building package util-linux. 21:52 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:52:46 =[3]=> Finished building package uml_utilities. 21:55 < owl> build for what arch? 21:57 < LowLander> daja77, are you still around ? 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:56:27 =[3]=> Finished building package e2fsprogs. 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:57:38 =[3]=> Finished building package mkdosfs. 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 21:58:42 =[3]=> Finished building package genromfs. 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:05:37 =[3]=> Finished building package procps. 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:07:26 =[3]=> Finished building package psmisc. 22:07 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:07:03 =[9]=> Finished building package asterisk. 22:07 < rxr> ^- valentin on idefix 22:08 < rxr> should I move it to ebelix to test it tonight? or are you soon off into bed? 22:08 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:08:06 =[3]=> Finished building package module-init-tools. 22:13 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:09:20 =[3]=> Finished building package modutils. 22:13 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:09:48 =[3]=> Finished building package cron. 22:13 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:10:14 =[3]=> Finished building package sysklogd. 22:13 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:10:40 =[3]=> Finished building package devfsd. 22:13 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:11:03 =[3]=> Finished building package rockplug. 22:13 < valentin> rxt: you van move it to obelix, but i would recommend not to start it until it's configured 22:13 < valentin> rxr can even 22:14 < mnemoc> obelix? 22:15 -!- k3t__ [k3t@p54804799.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 < rxr> mnemoc: hostnames 22:16 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:14:30 =[3]=> Finished building package sysfiles. 22:16 < mnemoc> :) 22:17 < mnemoc> svn: Unknown hostname 'svn.rocklinux-consulting.de' 22:17 < rxr> == 05/02/04 22:16:47 =[5]=> Finished building package 00-dirtree. 22:17 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - does work here 22:19 < rxr> argh - those asterisk people do not know what lib and share are good for 22:19 < rxr> ah - no forget it, only a slightly mistake 22:26 < daja77> LowLander: yes 22:26 < LowLander> deja77 what is the realtime target ? 22:26 < mnemoc> good question :) 22:26 < daja77> kernel with rtai patch + rtai package ... 22:26 < daja77> mnemoc: why? 22:26 < LowLander> uptodate ? 22:27 < daja77> works with 2.4.25 + rthal patch 22:27 < daja77> no i use the old rtai branch, the stable one 22:28 < mnemoc> daja77: i was expecting a deeper aanswer :( 22:28 < LowLander> daja77, RTAI has no stable one ;-) 22:28 < daja77> mnemoc: what do you mean by deeper? 22:28 < daja77> lol well then that one which is not labeled as testing 22:29 < LowLander> daja77, but the 3.x version , right ? 22:29 < mnemoc> daja77: purpose ;) 22:29 < daja77> 2.4.x 22:30 < daja77> purpose depends on what you are using it for 22:30 < LowLander> the newer versions might be worth a look , Phillip did a good job on it 22:30 < mnemoc> daja77: then it's just the package and not a target ;) 22:30 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8F48B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:30 < daja77> i know that they are worth a look, but i am not paid for that atm 22:31 < daja77> mnemoc: i haven't said it is a target 22:31 < LowLander> damn always wanting the money :-P 22:31 < LowLander> i thought free software was free ;-P 22:31 < daja77> free as in free speech 22:31 < mnemoc> food and dsl cost money :) 22:31 * LowLander waits for a preace on what free means 22:32 < LowLander> oh there it was already ;-) 22:32 < daja77> not as in free beer 22:32 < daja77> and it takes time to maintain stuff like that 22:32 < daja77> i don't have that much time 22:32 < LowLander> daja77 did you use the RTAI stuff in projectzs ? 22:33 < daja77> i fixed it so that it works with trunk, even while not getting paud for that :\ 22:33 < daja77> yep we used it for machine control 22:33 < LowLander> nice 22:33 < rxr> LowLander: you could hit some donate buttons on www.rocklinux-consulting.de 22:34 < daja77> *ggg* 22:34 < LowLander> hehe 22:34 < daja77> rxr: that would not get me paid for rtai stuff ^^ 22:34 < LowLander> hey i live from doing linux stuff myself 22:34 < LowLander> i know quite a few of the RTAI hackers 22:34 < rxr> if he writes in it is for rtai work I can send it to you ... 22:35 < daja77> *ggg* 22:35 < rxr> LowLander: we try , too 22:35 < LowLander> yeah not always easy 22:35 < rxr> never was - never will be 22:35 < LowLander> i did a S360 job at IBM last year 22:36 < LowLander> or zSeries as they are called now 22:36 < daja77> 360??! sure= 22:37 < LowLander> daja77 22:37 < LowLander> daja77 yep 22:37 < LowLander> IBM Böblingen 22:37 < daja77> not 390? 22:37 < rxr> LowLander: directly @ IBM? or for some customer? 22:38 < LowLander> at the IBM germany lab 22:38 < LowLander> deja77 oops yeah S390 22:38 < daja77> :) 22:38 < LowLander> although they still run the S360 stuff too 22:38 < LowLander> 24bit, 31bit and 64bit 22:38 < daja77> yeah but thats the one from the 60s 22:39 < LowLander> well yeah 22:40 < LowLander> very interesting to see 22:40 < LowLander> especialy the virtualization is nice 23:03 < rxr> 100 Patches in the submaster queue right now 23:04 < daja77> urgs 23:04 < mnemoc> nice number 23:06 < rxr> 101 now 23:07 < daja77> haven't synced to trunk for days and it wouldn't change a bit 23:09 < mnemoc> rxr: linux 2.4.26, when? 23:09 < rxr> isn't it in submater? 23:10 < mnemoc> yes it is 23:10 < rxr> yeah it is 23:10 < rxr> :-( 23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: when master clifford's reference build finished without too many problems ... 23:10 < mnemoc> oh 23:11 < rxr> mnemoc: since master clifford only applies tested chunkgs into the devel tree ... 23:11 < daja77> this package did compile several times here ... 23:12 < rxr> it could have side-effects ... - inside the header .... 23:12 < rxr> it _must_ be deeply tested and reference build before anything goes into 2.1-devel ... 23:12 < daja77> are you joking? 23:13 < rxr> joking? 23:13 * rxr looking up joking in a dictonary 23:13 < daja77> got it? *ggg* 23:13 < mnemoc> daja77: our trunk has defined that way by it's maintainer 23:14 < mnemoc> was* 23:14 < rxr> after all it is a development tree - do you expect a linux package's header changes breaking 2-3 packages in it? No never! 23:14 < mnemoc> never such unstability on the devel tree 23:15 < daja77> it did not break any for now ... 23:16 < daja77> just some gnome crap failing 23:24 < rxr> or the good side: we have a free deep review monkey ;-) 23:26 < daja77> lol 23:26 < rxr> QA is expensive ;-) 23:26 < rxr> btw, how do you like the idea of a very quick interrim 2.1 stable tree? 23:27 < rxr> I would like (if others agree) to have a gcc-3.4.x based stable series soon 23:27 < rxr> like branching current trunk in a months or so 23:28 < daja77> yep i like the idea 23:28 < mnemoc> after a couple of 2.0.x releases :) 23:28 < rxr> no - after one or two 23:28 < daja77> it doesn't matter if we have many 2.0 releases if we are quicker with 2.1 why not 23:28 < rxr> but 2.0 will get continue security fixes and minior but important updates 23:29 < mnemoc> can we have a more dynamic 2.0 until we have this other stable branch? 23:31 < mnemoc> with 2.1-stable i understand an almost frozen 2.0-stable, but not before that 23:32 < rxr> what would you like to have in 2.0 ? 23:32 < rxr> the .init fies, subversion, kernels other security stuff 23:33 < rxr> what elese? 23:33 < daja77> all security fixes 23:33 < daja77> kde 3.2.2 23:33 < rxr> but then I tag 2.0.1 now 23:34 < rxr> and have 2.0.2 in a week - I do not want to rebuild kde on all ISOs I already have ... 23:34 < netrunne1> re 23:34 < mnemoc> everything but mayor updates or framework changes 23:34 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 23:34 * netrunner back from heidelberg 23:34 < rxr> rehi netrunner 23:35 < daja77> wb netrunner 23:35 < mnemoc> wb netrunner 23:36 < netrunner> rxr: what was the state of pcmcia on bootdisk? shall I do it again? 23:36 * netrunner realised that he could not install his new build on his laptop :) 23:36 < rxr> sure - I have nothing particular holding it off 23:36 < rxr> but for trunk only - not 2.0-stable 23:37 < netrunner> rxr: 2 decisions: a) extra target? b) if not - extra initrd or config option? 23:37 < rxr> target ? Hell no! 23:37 < mnemoc> ack 23:37 < daja77> why extra? i'd like to install all laptops with that 23:37 < netrunner> last time I did it with an extra initrd, but that consumes space 23:37 < rxr> hm - a second initrd should be fine 23:38 < rxr> they are compressed now ... 23:38 < rxr> take a lok 23:38 < rxr> look even 23:38 < netrunner> oki. maybe tomorrow morning. 23:38 < rxr> you'll find s.th. and we s.th. to comment ;-) 23:41 < netrunner> yeah, you can start a flame on me ;) 23:41 * netrunner going to bed now. to many kilometres today. by foot through heidelberg and by car through germany. 23:43 < mnemoc> gn8 netrunner 23:49 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-016-034.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] --- Log closed Mon May 03 00:00:02 2004