--- Log opened Tue May 04 00:00:17 2004
00:09 < tfing> rxr: rock is not the first distro to have gcc 3.4
00:09 < tfing> gentoo has an ebuild and its in experimental in debian
00:10 < tfing> btw, there is a message in the gcc 3.4 ebuild about problems building binutils
00:10 < rxr> tfing: I wrote one of the first
00:11 < rxr> I have no binutils problems
00:11 < rxr> aside minors - I only had to fix a glibc problem ...
00:11 < rxr> tfing: my PowerPC gcc-3.4.0 build is already after xfree86 ...
00:11 < tfing> Since we are one of the first (if not the first) <- i was talking about the (...)
00:11 < tfing> rxr: ok, sweet
00:12 < rxr> do you think those brackets should be removed?
00:13 < tfing> that sound a bit too proudish, but that's just my opinion
00:20 < rxr> daja77: in submaster are glibc fixes - with thoes you can start a gcc34 build ...
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00:36 < LowLander> !> No free loopback device found!
00:36 < LowLander> thats a error i get on FC1 building a router boot system
00:37 < rxr> oh - I think the scripts use DevFS names
00:37 < rxr> you might just change /dev/loop/? to /dev/loop? ...
00:37 < LowLander> in Build-Target ?
00:37 < rxr> I think they are in target/router/...
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00:42 < LowLander> hmm that /dev/loop/\$1 is al over the script dir
00:43 < LowLander> hmmm but the dev-nodes are made
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00:44 < rxr> LowLander: or your kernel has no loop support?
00:45 < LowLander> ok found it
00:45 < LowLander> it is target/bootdisk/build_stage1.sh
00:47 < LowLander> hmmm Download -require seems not to download all the stuff needed
00:48 < rxr> LowLander: oh - yes - I remeber that there was some issues with target specific downloads
00:48  * rxr filling the personal TODO
00:48 < LowLander> hehe
00:49 < LowLander> i am just learning my way around
00:49 < LowLander> nothing to serious yet
00:49 < valentin> good night.
00:49 < rxr> n8 valentin 
00:49  * rxr off into bed in some seconds too
00:49 < rxr> cu tomorrow valentin 
00:49 < valentin> cu2
00:49 < LowLander> work day is just starting
00:50 < rxr> here it is 00:49 ....
00:50 < LowLander> here too ;-)
00:50 < rxr> oh - ah, ;-)
00:51 < LowLander> oh well i just started a Download -all
00:51 < rxr> oh
00:51 < rxr> you could have Downloaded just this single file ...
00:52 < LowLander> well when i want to play around with it , i probbaly will need most of it at some point
00:53 < daja77> re
00:53 < LowLander> hey daja
00:53 < rxr> hi daja77 
00:53 < daja77> hi rxr & LowLander 
00:53  * rxr off now
00:53 < rxr> cu
00:53 < LowLander> cya
00:54 < daja77> cu rxr
00:54  * daja77 fetching the patch
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01:32 < LowLander> -> Extracting isolinux boot loader.
01:32 < LowLander> tar (child): /home/erwin/l4l/rock-src-2.0.0/download/bootdisk/syslinux-2.02.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
01:32 < LowLander> but the file in that dir is syslinux-2.08.tar.bz2
01:42 < LowLander> ok i give uo for tonigth
01:44 < daja77> you should run scripts/Download -cfg bootdisk -required before
01:44 < daja77> n8
01:57 < LowLander> been there done that
01:57 < LowLander> i think :-)
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02:17 < esden> re hi all
03:12 < SMP> damnit, something's grabbing the Windows key for the K-Menu in KDE 3.2, so I can't use it it my own shortcuts anymore
03:12 < SMP> stupid crap
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03:54 < esden> hmm ... where ist that fancy flist search cgi from blindcoder ...
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04:07 < mnemoc> re
04:07 < mnemoc> esden: it's called 'sonar' :)
04:15 < esden> and where is it?
04:15  * esden just found out that the rocket script I wanted to test in my shiny new rocklinux installation is containing nothing more then a help output
04:16 < mnemoc>  http://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl
04:16  * esden tryed some options ... and wondered why it is not working
04:16 < mnemoc> :)
04:16 < esden> Such things are _NOT_ funny! 
04:16 < esden> ;)
04:16 < esden> thanks mnemoc 
04:16 < mnemoc> yes they are :)
04:18 < esden> *gnarf*
04:18 < esden> and another thing ... I have no idea where I get a line for rockplug *.usermap file
04:19 < esden> and it is nowhere documented ... now I know how people feel that are new to rocklinux
04:19 < esden> they CAN not understand rock ... because nothing is really documented ;)
04:20 < esden> in rene book are only the very basics and nothing more
04:20 < esden> but really the _VERY_ basics that are near to intuitive
04:23 < esden> ahhh here it is .. the pcimap
04:23 < esden> it is in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/modules.pcimap
04:24 < esden> nice to know ... but someone could write it in that damn *.usermap header !!! *argl*
04:27 < esden> ok ... brb
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04:31 < mnemoc> great to hear you volunterly offer yourself to improve ROCK's documention! :)
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04:44 < esden> re hi
04:44 < esden> mnemoc: NO
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04:45 < mnemoc> NO? not only improve? you will write a whole guide???!! wow... that's amazing
04:46 < esden> mnemoc: you are really good in reinterpreting what I say ...
04:46 < esden> you are talented ;)
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04:46 < esden> hi mnemoc 
04:46 < MadTux> ping mnemoc
04:46 < esden> argl
04:46 < esden> MadTux: 
04:46 < MadTux> re btw
04:46 < mnemoc> :p
04:46 < MadTux> hi esdy
04:46 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 
04:46 < MadTux> .oO( wow mnemoc is getting more and more popular with the time)
04:46 < MadTux> Ale how are u ?
04:47 < esden> ahh that is nice ... now I finally have 1280x1024 resolution in the console
04:47 < esden> nearly automatically set by rockplug
04:47 < mnemoc> MadTux: stressed as usual, and you?
04:47 < esden> thank god I am so bright and found by myself how to do it ;)
04:48 < mnemoc> esden: that's not a good feature if your monitor doesn't support it :\
04:48 < esden> mnemoc: you want to say that your monitor is not supporting that? ;)
04:49 < mnemoc> i have monitor which don't support 800x600 .... i not, mine only support 1280x768 :)
04:49 < MadTux> mnemoc, u should have asked google..
04:50 < MadTux> posers.
04:50 < esden> by the way it would be nice to have conditional code ... if ( framebuffer_present ) { set_resolution blabla } in the rockplug scripts ... hmm
04:50 < MadTux> mnemoc, query?
04:50 < mnemoc> ok :)
04:53 < mnemoc> can't be set as an append on lilo?
04:54 < MadTux> yes it can :)
04:56 < mnemoc> even if it's a module?
04:56 < MadTux> not sure..
04:58 < esden> ok ... I should go to bed ... tomorrow still have to write this fancy document ... SIGH
04:59 < esden> good night everyone
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05:01 < mnemoc> gn8 esden
05:01 < MadTux> gute nacht esdy
05:01 < MadTux> Gott segne dich mein freund
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07:02  * SMP back on 2.0.0-rc1 w/ KDE 3.1 - KDE 3.2 unusable
07:03 < MadTux> 0_o
07:03 < SMP> first it doesn't map the Windows key correctly, and then even grabs the key and opens the K-Menu when one presses it
07:04 < MadTux> mm.. sux
07:04 < SMP> so I can't use (all!) my keyboard shortcuts which involve it
07:05 < SMP> then konsole doesn't pass Ctrl-Shift-R and I can't use mark-thread-read in mutt
07:07 < SMP> and I run my konsole windows at size 100x40 - when I open the hidden kicker on the top of the screen it shrinks to 100x36 (why?!) and when I close the kicker again, it grows to 100x44. argh!
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07:40 < MadTux> good night.
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07:49 < blindy> moin
07:57 < BoS> moin
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10:28 < owl> moin
10:31 < dsoul> hi owl 
10:36 < owl> hi dsoul 
10:37 < blindy> *cry*
10:38  * blindy just became official SuSE contact person for my company *cry*
10:39 < StefanG> lol :)
10:40 < BoS> and who ist the official rocklinux contact person for your copany?
10:40 < blindy> my co-workers installed Gentoo on our servers >_<
10:40 < blindy> I'll kill them next time I see them
10:40 < owl> rofl
10:41 < owl> hi blindy 
10:41 < BoS> lol
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10:49 < rxr> re
10:50 < BoS> hi rxr 
10:53 < rxr> hi BoS 
10:53 < daja77> hi rxr
10:53 < rxr> hi daja77 
10:54 < daja77> guess the gcc-3.4 build is not that successfull
10:54 < daja77> 1191 builds total, 248 completed fine, 204 with errors.
10:55 < rxr> oh - why is that?
10:56 < daja77> [1]   3 base/linux24                    [2] 977 base/gcc2
10:56 < daja77>  [2] 977 base/gcc3                       [3] 975 base/dietlibc
10:56 < daja77>  [3] 968 base/ncurses                    [3] 967 base/gettext
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   1 misc/zsh                        [3] 947 base/texinfo
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   1 base/less                       [3] 131 base/groff
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   0 base/nvi                        [3]  65 base/libtool
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   0 tsa/zebra                       [3]   0 base/prelink
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   5 base/shadow                     [3] 944 base/util-linux
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   0 base/uml_utilities              [3] 156 base/procps
10:56 < daja77>  [3] 122 base/psmisc                     [3]   4 base/modutils
10:56 < daja77>  [3]   1 base/parted                     [5] 939 base/linux24-src
10:56 < daja77>  [5]   2 base/linux24                    [5]   1 base/linux26
10:57 < rxr> you did not smap'ed 2004050400082718286 ?
10:57 < daja77> i did
10:58 < rxr> and there are hm- take a look and review why those do fail - I have only very few errors on PowerPC - and that many more on x86 ...
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11:00 < daja77> should i upload the err files for you?
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11:02 < rxr> yes, would be nice
11:04 < daja77> htp://lospalmos.homelinux.net/rock-gcc34-errs/
11:05 < netrunner> daja77: have you read some? are they all compiler related?
11:06 < daja77> no i guess most of them are related to non built packages
11:07 < daja77> i saw some were depending on glib for example
11:07 < daja77> which failed
11:07 < rxr> Steve Ballmer: "Microsoft ist erwachsen geworden"
11:07 < rxr> ^- *lol* 
11:07 < daja77> *rofl* not really
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11:09 < netrunner> daja77: you could try with "don't build with broken deps"
11:09 < daja77> hm?
11:12 < netrunner> daja77: reduces the errs that fail because a dependency did already fail.
11:15 < rxr> daja - this
11:15 < rxr> it just because you selected / built boehm-gc from the mnemoc repository - which tries to patch gcc ....
11:16 < rxr> many others just fail because you have no c++ compiler due to the not applying boehm-gc patch
11:16 < rxr> just disable this package ...
11:17 < daja77> uhm can't remember having this enables >_<
11:20 < netrunner> hm, maybe the gcc3.4 has fixed the problem I had with my epia build ...
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11:28 < owl> YEAH!!! I'M ALLOWED TO FLY *JUMP ARROUND*
11:30 < rxr> hm?
11:31 < owl> i'm "krankgeschrieben" since 29.01.04... and i get "krankengeld" - so i had to ask my "krankenkasse" if i'm allow to fly to my booked holidays... and the KK had to contact my doctor and the mdk (medizischer dienst der krankenkassen) if it's ok... 
11:32 < owl> and today i got the "ok"
11:33 < daja77> ok next try :)
11:33 < owl> hm?
11:34 < daja77> i am talking about my build
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11:34 < rxr> owl: have fun!
11:34 < daja77> yep hf
11:35 < owl> rxr, daja77: thx :) we will have :) cause it's the same location where i was last year and several times before ;)
11:36 < rxr> oh - maybe I ask where?
11:38 < owl> yeah. mallorca. ca'n picafort. (hotel concord) 
11:38 < owl> http://www.hotelesferrer.com/
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11:53 < valentin> moin
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11:59 < owl> hi valentin 
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12:09 < tfing> mnemoc: you tend to send mail twice to rock mls
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12:24 < daja77> 1-linux24 now fails with boehm-gc disabled :\
12:24 < rxr> yes - linux24 needs some more fixes - but much more of the rest will compile
12:25 < rxr> and I'll fix linux24 further in some minutes, too
12:26 < daja77> ah k.
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12:50 < netrunner> argl grumpf stupid new libpcap
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12:58 < owl> hi esden ! 
12:59 < esden> hello everyone
12:59 < esden> hi owl 
13:01 < rxr> hi esden 
13:01 < esden> hi rxr 
13:01 < rxr> wow - you show up quite often nowadays!
13:09 < esden> rxr: yes ... because I reinstalled my box at home
13:09 < esden> ;)
13:09 < esden> ahh ... very well .... rxr ... you need bashing ;)
13:10 < esden> please write in the headers of rockplug *.usermap files that you can find the pcimap lines in /lib/modules/<kernelver>/kernel.pcimap 
13:10 < esden> please ;)
13:11 < owl> <- off for theraphy... bye
13:11 < esden> cu owl
13:11 < valentin> cu
13:12  * esden :Q
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13:27 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=44
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13:31 < tfing> hmm, when upgrading from gnome24 to gnome26, pkgconfig uses the .pc files from gnome24
13:33 < esden> re
13:41 < rxr> tfing: I have not reviewd update patthes - it might be better to uninstall gnome24 before ..
13:43  * SMP ponders 'upgrading' KDE 3.1 to Gnome 2.6
13:43 < rxr> or use the same prefix /opt/gnome24
13:43 < rxr> SMP: ?
13:43 < rxr> ^- for gnome-2.6, too
13:43 < SMP> KDE 3.2 is unusable
13:44 < SMP> by the way, do keyboard layouts work for you in KDE 3.2?
13:44 < rxr> oehm - why do you think so?
13:45 < SMP> rxr: do you have a backlog until 7 a.m.? ;)
13:45 < tfing> i uninstall first now, it saves some disk space 
13:48 < rxr> hm
13:48 < rxr> SMP: I have no Windows key here ...
13:52 < SMP> the Windows key has nothing to do with keyboard layouts ...
14:00 < rxr> what does KDE do to your keyboard layouts then?
14:00 < SMP> nothing, that's the problem
14:01 < SMP> the keyboard layouts control-center module does not show any keyboard layouts that I could enable
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14:13 < netrunner> yes. fixed kismet.
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14:21 < netrunner> rxr: subversion-static failed in my recent desktop build: configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time
14:22 < netrunner> before it had configure: warning: CC=gcc-3: invalid host type
14:22 < netrunner> configure: warning: build_alias=i686-unknown-linux-gnu: invalid host type
14:22 < tfing> gtkam fixed
15:00 < daja77> hm interessting netrunner's suggestion stops the build at 51 packages die failing linux24
15:03 < rolla> re
15:03 < daja77> Sending        package/x86/lilo/lilo.conf
15:03 < daja77> Sending        package/x86/lilo/lilo.desc
15:03 < daja77> Transmitting file data ..../usr/bin/smap: line 218: 15424 Abgebrochen             (core dumped) svn commit --editor-cmd "$0 ed" $commit_list
15:03 < daja77> O_o
15:03 < daja77> hi rolla
15:04 < rolla> hallo
15:06 < fake> SMP: setxkbmap
15:09 < SMP> the fact that I could use another tool does not excuse for the brokenness of the one tool
15:09 < daja77> tried kde 3.2.2 yet?
15:09 < SMP> besides, setxkbmap doesn't give me a nice flag to click on in the kicker ;-P
15:11 < SMP> daja77: 3.2.2 only
15:11 < daja77> ic :(
15:12 < SMP> especially the handling of the Windows key is ridiculous - as if the damn key was good for nothing than opening the K-menu ...
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15:16 < clifford> SMP: u here?
15:21 < rxr> hm - my 2.5 Ghz Athlon is still to slow to build linux kernels in useful times...
15:21 < daja77> rxr: is your linux24 in submaster?
15:25 < SMP> clifford: yup
15:26 < daja77> linux24 patch even?
15:26 < rxr> daja77: one second
15:26 < daja77> k.
15:26 < rxr> daja77: it just finished the make modules
15:27 < daja77> <- installing mine on rh8
15:27 < jsaw> re
15:30 < rxr> hi jsaw 
15:30 < daja77> hi jsaw 
15:30 < jsaw> hi rxr, daja77
15:30 < rxr> daja77: try to change the linux24 package to use the patch
15:30 < rxr> gcc340-fixes-v2.4.26.patch
15:30 < rxr> oh - mom
15:30 < rxr> gcc340-fixes-v2.4.26-try2.patch
15:30 < rxr> I meant 
15:31 < rxr> I rebuild the kernel before I sumit the change
15:32 < daja77> where to get this patch?
15:33 < rxr> same URL
15:33 < rxr> ok x86 gcc-3.4:
15:33 < rxr> == 05/04/04 15:32:27 =[5]=> Finished building package qt.
15:33 < daja77> O_o greping for url
15:35 < rxr> hm?
15:35 < daja77> what url you are talking about, svn 2.0 branch?
15:35 < rxr> [D] 0 gcc340-fixes-v2.4.26-try2.patch http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/linu
15:35 < rxr> x24/
15:36 < rxr> hm - urcvt sucks up when cut'n pasting a long lines with auto \n ...
15:36 < daja77> repared it manually doesn't matter
15:36 < daja77> so i try just the try2 patch
15:44 < rxr> urxvt even
15:44 < daja77> the package you built for that jerk?
15:45 < rxr> http://www.theprodukkt.com/
15:46 < rxr> too bad it is a .exe
15:54 < lowy> Finished downloading 36621 bytes in 25.490 seconds (1436.681 bytes/sec).
15:54 < lowy> cksum-test (bzip2): download/lvp/lvp/lvp_0.3.2.tar.bz2
15:54 < lowy> Cksum ERROR: download/lvp/lvp/lvp_0.3.2.tar.bz2.cksum-err (1341857772)
15:54 < lowy> thats after Downloading the svn-trunk version
15:55 < lowy> and trying the live CD setup
15:55 < daja77> svn trunk is outdated
15:55 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander
15:55 < rxr> does this happen with many files - or just with this file
15:55 < LowLander> just that file
15:55 < rxr> hm - blindy? Here is a checksum error with your files ...
15:56 < LowLander> daja so what is not "outdated" ?
15:56 < rxr> LowLander: daja77 just wants to rumour about the submaster queue
15:56 < rxr> for your needs trunk is fine
15:56 < LowLander> well when it is broken it isn't :-)
15:57 < rxr> LowLander: it is just one checksum
15:57 < daja77> ;)
15:57 < rxr> I guess removing the file and redownloading does give the same result ?
15:57 < rxr> result even
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15:57 < MadTux> hi.
15:57 < rxr> if yet just rename the file to not have the .chksum-err extension
15:57 < rxr> and try building it
15:57 < rxr> in any case blindy (aka blindcoder) should verify his files ...
15:58  * daja77 cursing his inet connection at work
15:59 < MadTux> happy cursing..
15:59 < daja77> hey MadTux 
15:59 < MadTux> hi. :)
16:00 < LowLander> rxr ok renamed the file
16:01 < LowLander> now wait for the build to "hit" it
16:02 < daja77> scripts/Build-Target -cfg $id -job $stage-$package
16:17 < rxr> daja77: -try2 is not sufficient
16:17 < rxr> I seem to forgot to diff a file ...
16:17 < rxr> -try3 in some secs
16:21 < mnemoc> moin
16:23 < MadTux> mnemoc: hi!
16:23 < MadTux> mnemoc: u have mail.
16:23 < mnemoc> oh
16:23 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 
16:24 < mnemoc> tfing: i do? i'll take a look into the archive
16:26 < rxr> mnemoc: hi
16:28 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:28 < tfing> hi mnemoc 
16:28 < mnemoc> hi tfing 
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16:47 < mnemoc> tfing: found!, reply all of my webmail (squirrel) adds the TO, to CC too :)
16:48 < tfing> that was the result indeed ;)
16:49 < mnemoc> that's a triple-bug :) webmail/user/mailing list :)
16:49 < tfing> lol
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17:04 < daja77> linux24 still fail but another error
17:04 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy
17:05 < mnemoc> gcc34?
17:05 < rxr> daja77: with -try3 ?
17:05 < mnemoc> (moin daja77)
17:06 < daja77> try2 :(
17:06 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
17:08 < mnemoc> what's that -try thing?
17:08 < mnemoc> SMP,clifford: have you decided something about crontab?
17:09 < SMP> I haven't followed this issue
17:10 < mnemoc> :(
17:10 < clifford> mnemoc: I have discussed with rxr who should review it..
17:10 < clifford> I'm not sure if it is a bit overkill..
17:12 < mnemoc> can you (our security gurus ;) take a look into the issue and propose something? crontab -e doesn't work since long time ago (and _I_ kill it with an update i did)
17:12 < mnemoc> and because i 'broke' it i feel very responsable about it :(
17:13 < tfing> my patch just follows the debian way
17:14 < clifford> oh - i see. I thought that was just an additional security enhancement..  ;-)
17:14 < mnemoc> :p
17:14 < blindy> hi
17:15 < blindy> rxr: I'll check that
17:20 < blindy> hmm
17:20 < blindy> really strange...
17:21 < blindy> checking file on server
17:23 < clifford> mnemoc: is the username 'crontab' somehow proposed or standard?
17:24 < tfing> it's a group, not a user
17:27 < clifford> yes - is the GROUPname 'crontab' somehow proposed or standard?  ;-)
17:27 < blindy> rxr: ok, sorry. screwed that one up. patch in SM
17:28 < mnemoc> no idea, but looks good :) tfing?
17:28 < tfing> just took the debian one
17:33 < clifford> scheduled for the next test build (so it will be applied if it doesn't melt my testhost ;-)
17:33 < mnemoc> :)
17:34 < tfing> tsss
17:49 < tfing> finished sm-wip-push'ing
17:50  * mnemoc have to learn about sm's wip-facility
17:51 < tfing> mnemoc: just don't forget to mkdir rock.sm/WIP and it should be fine
17:51 < mnemoc> thanks for the tip
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18:10 < tfing> sm create is missing a progress bar :)
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18:19 < tfing> clifford: "log" should be passed as-is to svn too imo
18:20 < tfing> hmm, not as-is in fact, but with the correct file:///
18:20 < tfing> more complicated than i thought
18:21 < netrunne1> hm, imho "sm log" should give the local sm log, while svn log should give the real log. but as this is not possible, it should at least be the other way round.
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18:38 < mnemoc> MadTuxie!!
18:38 < MadTux> hello mnemoc-chan
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18:40 < MadTux> nety!
18:40 < netrunner> Maddy!
18:40 < MadTux> :)
18:40 < netrunner> hi mnemocy
18:41 < mnemoc> hi netty
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19:00 < mnemoc> clifford: can the sm change be done by hand? i don't want to loose logs, and everything
19:04 < clifford> well - basically yes:
19:05 < clifford> hmm..
19:06 < clifford> but I can't tell an easy way to do it because MASTER/ and WORK/ _should_ be dirived from each other.
19:08 < tfing> clifford: what is the WORK directory you talked about in the mail ? i got no such dir in my rock.sm
19:09 < mnemoc> sm migrate :) -> svn switch blah blah blah ? ;)
19:09 < clifford> it's a directory _inside_ the subversion filesystem.
19:10 < mnemoc> oh
19:10 < tfing> ok
19:10 < mnemoc> this will hurt
19:10 < SMP> svn ls file://path/rock.sm/SVN
19:12 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:12 < SMP> see MASTER/ there ;-)
19:12 < mnemoc> no :)
19:13 < SMP> use three slashes after the colon
19:13 < mnemoc> # svn ls file:///usr/src/rock/rock-2.0.sm/SVN
19:13 < mnemoc> Documentation/
19:13 < mnemoc> architecture/
19:13 < mnemoc> misc/
19:13 < mnemoc> package/
19:13 < mnemoc> scripts/
19:13 < mnemoc> target/
19:14 < SMP> that would be an old repo
19:15 < mnemoc> submaster-73
19:15 < mnemoc> i'll not update it until i finish the build i have to install tomorrow :)
19:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - this is a _good_ plan ....
19:28 < mnemoc> i have two trees with master=rl-c.de (2.0 and trunk), and bellow them a three levels tree of trees, this changes do hurt a lot
19:34 < rxr> this kernel inject extra version stuff totally scres my builds
19:35 < mnemoc> what failed?
19:35 < rxr> this version creation
19:36 < mnemoc> i have used it for almost a year now
19:36  * rxr still analyzing - otherwise I would not speak up and a patch would already be in sumbater
19:38 < mnemoc> can i have a svn tree inside other svn tree ?
19:38 < mnemoc> e.g. a target
19:43 < rxr> yes
19:44 < rxr> I think you want an svn:externals
19:44 < rxr> see the Subversino handbook
19:44 < rxr> mnemoc: why the hell do you regrab the version from include/linux/version.h ????
19:45 < mnemoc> rsbac alters extraversion in a different Makefile
19:45 < mnemoc> which is only reflected in version.h
19:45 < rxr> why the hell do they do this?
19:46 < mnemoc> i got shocked too
19:46 < daja77> re
19:47 < mnemoc> re daja77 
19:48 < daja77> thx mnemoc 
19:53 < rxr> -       mv Makefile.new Makefile
19:53 < rxr> +       sed -i -e "s,^\([ \t]*EXTRAVERSION[ \t]*\)=.*,\1= ${lx_extraversion},g" Makefile
19:53 < rxr>  
19:53 < rxr>         # update version.h
19:53 < rxr> -       eval $MAKE include/linux/version.h
19:53 < rxr> +       eval $MAKE include/linux/version.h | grep -q "is up to date" && rerun=1
19:53 < rxr> +       if [ "$rerun" ] ; then
19:53 < rxr> +               echo "WARNING: Your system's timer resolution is too low ..."
19:53 < rxr> +               touch Makefile ; sleep 1
19:53 < rxr> +               eval $MAKE include/linux/version.h
19:53 < rxr> +       fi
19:54 < LowLander> *sigh* ROCK is not really a download and go system ;-)
19:54 < rxr> LowLander: it is not ?
19:54 < LowLander> nope
19:54 < rxr> why not ?
19:54 < LowLander> -I is an illegal tar option
19:54 < LowLander> -j
19:54 < rxr> .oO
19:55 < LowLander> makes it a bit better but still things go wrong
19:55 < LowLander> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 33: cd: /home/erwin/l4l/trunk/build/system-2.1.0-DEV-x86-lvp/lvp_0.4.0_generic/livesystem: No such file or directory
19:55 < LowLander> cp: cannot stat `../root/boot/vmlinuz': No such file or directory
19:55 < daja77> lvp is just one target ...
19:55 < LowLander> but the one i am fighting with :-)
19:56 < daja77> you want to create video dvds?
19:56 < mnemoc> rxr: is up to date?
19:56 < LowLander> just picked a random one
19:57 < LowLander> it downloaded, and builded everything ok
19:57 < LowLander> ls
19:57 < mnemoc> LowLander: where did you found the -j option?
19:57 < LowLander> oops
19:57 < rxr> the LVP target might not match the other overal quality assurance ...
19:57 < LowLander> target/lvp/build.sh
19:58 < rxr> LowLander: I fix this _now_
19:58 < LowLander> the -I option is not supported by the tar in FC1
19:58 < LowLander> dunno if the -j is supported in the older tars though
19:58 < rxr> LowLander: yes it is
19:59 < rxr> we prefer -j in ROCK since that was what got invented for it in the pased before each gib dist did s.th. different
19:59 < rxr> but in ROCK build scripts we use
19:59 < rxr> taropt="--use-compress-program=bzip2
19:59 < daja77> O_o the fedora guys do not patch -j in anymore, strange ..
19:59 < rxr> for compatibility
19:59 < rxr> daja77: RedHat always hat -I ...
19:59 < LowLander> cp: cannot stat `../root/boot/vmlinuz': No such file or directory
19:59 < daja77> yep that's what puzzles me
19:59 < LowLander> that seems wrong
19:59 < rxr> erhm - other way round
20:00 < blindy> the currentl lvp target is not up to date with the ROCK trunk
20:00  * rxr confused
20:00 < rxr> by multi tasking ...
20:00 < blindy> I'm working on that right now
20:00 < LowLander> the file is in build/system-2.1.0-DEV-x86-lvp/boot/
20:00 < rxr> blindy: please send updates to submaster more regularly
20:00 < rxr> blindy: and either use taropts - or if it is not available at that place use:
20:00 < rxr> taropt="--use-compress-program=bzip2"
20:00 < rxr> and use this ...
20:00 < blindy> rxr: as soon as the current test-build finishes
20:01 < blindy> rxr: hmm... thought I did so... will check
20:02 < LowLander> dinner time , bbl
20:06 < mnemoc> rxr: can you explain the patch you pasted?
20:07 < blindy> rxr: patch committed, should work, build currently in progress.
20:08 < blindy> rxr: differences to last successful test build were only some string typos, so it should be ok
20:08 < blindy> and the s/xfI/xf --use-compress-program=/g of course
20:08 < blindy> =bzip2 obviously
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20:10 < mnemoc> "the LVP target might not match the other overal quality assurance" that have had hurt :)
20:10 < mnemoc> hi tcr
20:11 < blindy> mnemoc: well, as a matter of fact, it was correct, so I didn't really take any offense on that
20:11 < mnemoc> :)
20:11 < blindy> mnemoc: since it didn't work in trunk
20:12 < tcr> moin all
20:12 < tcr> moin mnemoc
20:12 < rxr> moin tcr 
20:17 < LowLander> /home/erwin/l4l/trunk/build/system-2.1.0-DEV-x86-lvp/pkgs/00-dirtree.tar.bz2   
20:17 < LowLander> shouldn't that be /home/erwin/l4l/trunk/build/system-2.1.0-DEV-x86-lvp/ROCK/pkgs/
20:17 < blindy> jepp, it should
20:18 < blindy> LowLander: that changed some time ago and I haven't submitted an update to LVP yet
20:18 < LowLander> when will you ? :-)
20:18 < blindy> LowLander: for more information, see: http://lvp.crash-override.net/
20:18 < blindy> LowLander: just did, currently pending inclusion
20:18 < tcr> moin rxr
20:19 < LowLander> blindy, did that  fix the checksum error on the lvp source file too ?
20:19 < blindy> LowLander: yes
20:19 < blindy> LowLander: must have screwed that one up somewhere...
20:21 < LowLander> shit happens :-)
20:22 < LowLander> ls
20:23 < rxr> mnemoc: next submaster patch is for you
20:23 < rxr> 2004050420234502392 it is
20:27 < mnemoc> oh, now i understood :)
20:27 < tcr> http://comic.escomposlinux.org/ecol-153-e.png
20:30 < mnemoc> does eval "" | grep -q && rerun=1 really assign the var when grep said so, or eval? 
20:31 < mnemoc> uhm... late... bbl
20:32 < tcr> mnemoc, return code of the last command is returned in some piped expression
20:32 < SMP> "A list is a sequence of one or more pipelines separated by one  of  the operators ;, &, &&, or ||, and optionally terminated by one of ;, &, or <newline>."
20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: I tested it ...
20:37 < tcr> SMP: I can't parse that
20:39 < SMP> try harder
20:39 < SMP> it's from bash.1
20:40 < tcr> I know, but I don't know where I should relate the participles to
20:41 < tcr> My problem is with the part after the comma
20:41 < SMP> which comma? ;)
20:41 < tcr> `terminated' must be related to the `list' (or `sequence') and not the `pipelines' like `seperated'
20:42 < tcr> As otherwise seems just plain wrong
20:42 < SMP> "A list is a sequence of one or more pipelines and optionally terminated by ..."
20:42 < daja77> nice linux24 built
20:42 < SMP> this is the basic sentence
20:42 < SMP> eh, scratch the "and"
20:43 < tcr> Eh? I'd rather say it must be there
20:43 < tcr> (that and)
20:43 < SMP> no. "A list is a sequence of one or more pipelines, optionally terminated by ..."
20:44 < SMP> "Eine Liste ist eine Folge von pipelines, optional beendet durch ..."
20:44 < tcr> Well, I don't know much about english interpunctation, but I think this *could* be ambigious, too
20:44 < tcr> In German it's ambigious, too
20:44 < SMP> it's not ambiguous semantically
20:45 < tcr> It is
20:45 < SMP> it's even more abiguous in German because there would not be a comma in front of our 'und'
20:45 < tcr> It could be a enumeration or an apposition
20:46 < tcr> It depends on how you put the emphasis during reading
20:46 < tcr> brb
20:48 < tcr> Back. I should add that the later (apposition) would be bad writing style, but nevermind it confused me nontheless
20:50 < LowLander> hmm the EU and their software patents really start to worry me (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47112)
20:52 < LowLander> just hope the next Parlament will kick it out again :-/ else i can better move to the US where the patent system is less bad :-/
20:53 < blindy> LowLander: is it really?
20:53 < SMP> can't escape the stranglehold of WIPO on the long run ...
20:54 < daja77> i should have studied sth else ...
20:54 < LowLander> blindy, when they push the new version ,yes
20:54 < SMP> daja77: patent law?
20:54 < blindy> LowLander: d'oh
20:54 < daja77> yeah
20:54 < LowLander> cause here in the UE we just start to make a new system based on the American system , where in the US they slowly start to relize things went wrong
20:55 < tcr> daja77, Heh. You could still have become a director of the FSF ;)
20:55 < daja77> what for, when free sw is illegal
20:56 < daja77> i should have focused on organizing parties with blackjack and hookers ...
20:56 < daja77> >_<
20:57 < blindy> yeah, much less trouble with laws there
20:57 < daja77> yep
20:57 < LowLander> so when the EU and the US suck with respect to patents
20:58 < LowLander> whats next
20:58 < daja77> we all move over to mnemoc 
20:58 < blindy> heh, good idea
20:58 < LowLander> austrilia already gave in to the US too, AFAIK
20:58 < daja77> south americans seems to be more clever on this point
20:58 < LowLander> hmmm with the trade deals they have with the US, that won't last long
20:59 < LowLander> WTO will make it as bad everywhere
21:00 < LowLander> time for a new revolution (hello mr. FBI that monitors this convo)
21:00  * tcr watching Frontal21
21:00 < LowLander> oh wait it is mr. DHS now
21:05 < tfing> hmm, seems the new gnome-vfs does not look for the magic file where rock installs it
21:16 < rxr> hm - that is not good
21:17 < tfing> i don't know if it is gnome-vfs or what
21:17 < tfing> but gthumb does not see my images ...
21:18 < tfing> a directory full of jpg's, no images it says
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21:25 < owl> hi
21:25 < rugek> hi owl
21:26 < owl> hi rugek 
21:26 < blindy> moin owly
21:26 < tfing> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128174 <- this is my bug
21:27 < tfing> http://freedesktop.org/Software/shared-mime-info <- seems like this should be packaged
21:27 < owl> hi blindy
21:30 < tfing> ok, that works better now
21:31 < tfing> rxr: should i put it in the gnome2/ repository ? or in mathieu/ ?
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21:36 < tfing> hmm, it concerns all the desktops
21:43 < SMP> x11/
21:44 < tfing> oh yep, this seems the right place, thx
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21:54 < owl> <- leaving (i want a flatrate *cry*)
21:54 < owl> bye
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22:22 < mnemoc> re
22:22 < mnemoc> tfing,rxr :)
22:23 < tfing> re mnemoc 
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22:23 < mnemoc> hi
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22:24 < holyolli> moin
22:26 < rxr> tfing: in the gnome2 repository - thanks
22:26 < rxr> all gnome core packages go in there ...
22:27 < netrunner> rxr: is gnome26 in gnome2?
22:27 < tfing> rxr: it is in x11 since kde may use it too
22:27 < mnemoc> isn't gnome24-26 an ABI Change?
22:27 < netrunner> anonymous broadcast interchange?
22:29 < mnemoc> application binary interface
22:35 < netrunner> hm. /me -> bed, leaving mnemoc his prime-time 0-6 :)
22:35 < mnemoc> :)
22:47  * blindy --> bed
22:47 < mnemoc> gn8 blindy 
22:49 < daja77> huh, how does the don't build on dependency fails options differs from abort on all errors?
22:50 < mnemoc> the last stop building after the first error
22:50 < daja77> whole build now stopped on failing gcc2, can't believe all the rest is depending on ot
22:50 < daja77> it
22:50 < daja77> there was ony one error too ...
22:50 < mnemoc> i have never used "don't build on dependency fails"
22:51 < daja77> it was netrunners suggestion, turning it off ...
22:51 < tfing> kick him !
22:52 < mnemoc> i use 'abort on error' and 'retry failed' :-) i don't allow anything to fail :p
22:53 < daja77> yeah you don't build x and desktop stuff anyway, this would change your mind, believe me
22:55 < tfing> :)
22:56 < daja77> btw it is interesting that 3.4 can't build gcc2 anymore ...
22:56 < mnemoc> :)
22:56 < mnemoc> why do u want gcc2?
22:56 < daja77> i need it for my studies :(
22:57  * mnemoc makes funny faces to daja77 
22:58 < daja77> :p
22:58 < daja77> yeah i know it is crap 
22:58 < mnemoc> )
22:58 < mnemoc> ^o) :)
22:58  * daja77 kicks mnemoc >_<
23:01 < rolla> you should be nicer daja77 
23:02 < daja77> yeah i really should
23:02 < rolla> ;)
23:32 < daja77> n8
23:45 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
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