WebHosting Paid by #1Payday.Loans
--- Log opened Thu May 06 00:00:09 2004 --- Day changed Thu May 06 2004 00:00 < daja77> so your patch work, grats 00:01 < rxr> yes - and now I know mozilla stinks more I thought 00:01 < rxr> even the config stuff is quirked 00:01 < daja77> open src has its disadvantages too 00:01 < daja77> sometimes it would be better not to see the code 00:02 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:07 -!- EdmGuy [~mbhd@211.216-123-194-0.interbaun.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:08 < daja77> hm your tree patch does not apply ... 00:27 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@1Cust233.tnt11.muc2.deu.da.uu.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:27 < rxr> == 00:04:12 =[5]=> Building misc/rxvt-unicode [2.8 2.1.0-DEV]. 00:27 < rxr> == 05/06/04 00:04:39 =[5]=> Aborted building package rxvt-unicode. 00:28 < rxr> .oO ( our ueber genius GCC steering commitee member created code not compileable w/ gcc-3.4 ... ) 00:28 < rxr> daja77: strange - I first diffed it on the iBook 00:28 < rxr> built 00:28 < rxr> I built on Athlon - patch did not apply - I rediffed 00:28 < rxr> now it does not apply on your side? 00:28 < rxr> what the heck is this ... 00:30 < rxr> ok - cu, n8 all 00:36 < holyolli> n8 00:36 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:11 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 02:11 < MadTux> re. 02:34 < fake> you _MUST_ see this: https://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html 02:37 < MadTux> fake, NICE!!!!!!!!!!! 02:53 < fake> MadTux: an informatics test in the 12th class 02:58 < MadTux> hehe 03:12 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-056.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:53 < esden> re hi all 03:53 < esden> that was long feeding 04:26 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p50801BFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:27 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F1DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:27 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 05:23 -!- daja77 [[6G9y9QnJy@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:24 -!- daja77 [[dqMXYzUlM@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:29 -!- nookie [~nookie@M474P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 05:43 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: togg, Aard 05:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: togg, Aard 05:46 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M280P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:53 -!- demian [allyourbas@p50807AAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:55 < demian> hi 05:55 < esden> hi demian 05:56 < demian> dear esden.. how are u ? 05:56 < esden> fine thanks ... bit drunk but fine ... 05:56 < esden> and how are you? 05:56 < esden> ohh ... I mean tripsy ... 05:56 < esden> a new word I learned to spell today ;) 05:57 < demian> oph i see. u are fine so.. hehe 05:58 < demian> which word ? brrrp ? 05:58 < demian> well. i am fine too.. but looking for a job 05:58 < esden> "tripsy" 05:58 < esden> humm ... is it a problem? 05:58 < esden> are you ready with your studys now? 06:00 < demian> no.. i am taking a course about cisco routers and advanced routing technologies.. but in the uni.. this semester i was unable to study over there. anyways.. i think i am better than many engineers out there 06:01 < esden> that is probable in most cases 06:01 < demian> what people is looking for is to see a title, a title that copuld representate me.. but ive had some troubles with the uni.. that's shit 06:01 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:01 < esden> the people in my university are mostly only lamers ... that study informatics for some reason I do not understand 06:02 < esden> what troubles had you with the uni? 06:02 < demian> hehe, yeah.. 06:02 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has joined #rocklinux 06:02 < esden> re praenti 06:02 < esden> ;) 06:02 < esden> praenti: you are a ghost 06:05 < esden> demian: ? 06:05 < demian> ah well. 06:06 < demian> i got some troubles cause of their NIS/YP servers.. they tough i did siomething bad with them.. but never touched anything 06:06 < demian> the thing is that they think i am sth like a virus for the admins there.. fortunately.. all of them were lkicked last semester 06:06 -!- tony_ [~tony@64.239.27.24.cfl.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 06:07 < demian> and i am not going to touch their computers ever.. to avoid that kind of problems 06:07 < esden> humm .. I understand 06:08 < esden> are you still there ? ... studying? 06:09 < demian> yes.. i left just this semester.. but i will continue.. btw.. i will study physiscs the next year in another Uni 06:09 < tony_> my computer won't boot from the CD, and the BIOS says it should be... how can I install linux? 06:10 < demian> meanwhile i am working and studying .. but the work are making some smalls LANs and little things.. nmot what i hope.. but i think it can improve 06:10 < esden> tony_: floppy discs is another opportunity to install rock 06:11 < esden> demian: good luck then with finding a job that is appropriate for you 06:11 < tony_> i heard rock linux was harder to use, and I'm a newb. So i'm trying to install gentoo 06:11 < esden> if you are trying gentoo then you are in the wrong channel 06:11 < esden> but ... 06:11 -!- demian [allyourbas@p50807AAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:12 < esden> you can try rock .. it is not as hard to use as all say 06:12 < esden> the only problem is that it is lacking documentation 06:12 < esden> but you gett all help in this channel here .. so that is not a real problem at the end 06:12 < tony_> well it was a general purpose linux question 06:14 < esden> ok ... so if the cd is not working try floppy discs ... 06:14 < esden> but gentoo does not have floppy discs afaik 06:15 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:15 < esden> I searched for floppy discs images myself some days ago ... so... 06:15 < demian> esden: what did u say since my last message ? i couldnt receive it 06:15 -!- demian_ [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:16 < esden> 06:11 < esden> demian: good luck then with finding a job that is appropriate for you 06:16 < demian> ah ok. thnks. i will need it 06:18 < esden> shitt .. water went out .. 06:18 * esden getting another bottle 06:18 < esden> good .. water rulez 06:24 < demian> got to go.. girl waiting 06:25 < esden> girl waiting? YOU BASTARD ;) 06:25 < demian> keep that troat hot esden 06:25 < esden> cu have fun 06:25 < demian> hehe, u2 06:25 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux [] 06:28 < esden> tony_: how is your progress? 06:34 -!- demian_ [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:40 < tony_> i think i might have figured it out 06:40 < tony_> there is a program called smart boot manager 06:40 < esden> humm ... url+ 06:40 < esden> ? 06:40 < tony_> it installs a boot loader to a floppy, and gives you options to boot other devices after that 06:40 < tony_> https://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml 06:41 < tony_> its what they talk about in the first section 06:42 < esden> ahh ... ok 06:42 < esden> nice to know 06:42 < esden> thanks 06:42 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF05A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:42 < tony_> yea, thank you... I wouldn't have even known what to look for without your hint 06:43 < esden> no problem 06:43 < esden> but as I see you are still trying gentoo 06:43 < esden> ;) 06:44 < esden> I really do not know if it is such a good idea ... ... but I am not objective enough 06:45 < tony_> well rock is downloading 06:45 < tony_> the answer just happened to be on the gentoo site, i googled and it came up 06:46 < esden> ahh ok 06:46 < esden> and which iso are you downloading from rock? 06:46 < esden> simply paste the url 06:48 < tony_> i'm intimidated by the description of the rock... "made for system administrators and experienced linux users" 06:49 < esden> ahh crap ... that description is crap 06:50 < esden> I think that this description is the reason why so few people are using it 06:50 < esden> it is not as hard to use as it sounds 06:50 < tony_> are you a developer? 06:50 < esden> I even suppose it is easier to use then gentoo 06:50 < esden> I supposed to be 06:50 < esden> currently I have not time to work on rock 06:51 < esden> I have other things to do 06:51 < esden> I use fedora on my laptop for example ... so I do not have to care about anything 06:51 < esden> but I still use rock on my main machine at home 06:52 < esden> because of the cutting edge ... and flexibility 06:52 < esden> and of course because I know rock very well 06:52 < esden> and I have to say 2.0 is easy to install and use 06:53 < esden> you do not need a multipage description for that 06:53 < esden> it is pretty intuitive 06:53 < esden> nearly like debian ... 06:53 < esden> but at the end it is much more flexible 06:53 < netrunner> .o( esden quits "Excess Flood" ) 06:53 < esden> good morning netrunner ;) 06:53 < netrunner> moin, 2 06:54 < esden> netrunner: have you send the "ausarbeitungen" to the guys at rnp? 06:54 < esden> or even better have you got my mail? 06:55 < esden> ping netrunner 07:00 < netrunner> esden: sent. 07:01 < esden> ok 07:01 < esden> that is all I wanted to know ;) 07:02 -!- tony_ [~tony@64.239.27.24.cfl.rr.com] has left #rocklinux [] 07:10 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 07:37 * esden wech 07:37 < esden> cu 07:48 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-072-071.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:48 < BoS> moin 07:55 < BoS> q to vcdimager: in this pkg 07:56 < BoS> this pkgs isn't complete, the vdcx.... tools are missing here 08:41 < netrunner> vcdimager and vcdrip, what else? 08:42 < BoS> vcdxrip, vcdxinfo, vcdxbuild 08:45 < netrunner> BoS: the source contains only the cli and the gnome frontend. the gnome frontend is not enabled. 08:46 < BoS> why 08:52 < blindy> moin 08:56 < netrunner> hi blindy 08:57 < blindy> netrunner: sunday is "Muttertag", no? 08:57 < netrunner> jup 08:57 < netrunner> it's dangerous to give gf's presents at this day ;) 08:58 < blindy> *lol* 08:58 < blindy> no such hazard here 08:58 < blindy> but I thought about serving a 4-course menu to my mother 09:01 < blindy> 1. Pflaumenwein 09:01 < blindy> 2. Krabbentoast 09:01 < blindy> 3. Knuspriges Paprika-Huehnchen 09:02 < blindy> 4. don't remember the name. Have it written down downstairs 09:10 < netrunner> I'll spend the day driving around my grandma and going to a private party with 2 girls in kempten :) 09:15 < netrunner> BoS: WARNING: THE GNOME FRONTEND IS NOT USABLE YET 09:16 < BoS> ah - ok, but what can i use for vcd/svcd isos? 09:16 < netrunner> what about k3b? :) 09:16 < BoS> missing the tools 09:17 < blindy> mkscvd and cdrecord 09:17 < BoS> and i can't copy the cd's 09:17 < blindy> copy == cdrdao 09:18 < blindy> netrunner: I'll go dancing late sunday afternoon, as usual. 09:18 < BoS> not works yet - read/io error 09:18 < BoS> mksvcd? 09:18 < blindy> or mkvcd 09:19 < blindy> the vcd-sister of mkisofs 09:20 < blindy> anyway, I'm off 09:20 < blindy> need new shoes and clothes 09:20 < blindy> loosing weight really sucks... need new clothes every 6 weeks >_< 09:20 < blindy> bye 09:33 * netrunner wonders how one can change shoesize by dieting 09:35 -!- link_ [~link_@212.101.21.193] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 < link_> ehlo 09:41 < netrunner> BoS: I think the vcdx things are only in the unstable branch of vcdimager. 09:42 < BoS> mmhhh - this is 2818 trunk 09:42 < BoS> whitout any patches 09:43 < netrunner> nope, I mean vcdimager. their latest stable release was 0.6.2 09:43 < netrunner> which is in rocklinux. 09:43 < netrunner> BoS: I'll update/testbuild/upload patch 09:43 < BoS> ok 09:44 < BoS> in the trunk tree? 10:03 < netrunner> hm, depends on libcdio ... 10:03 < netrunner> BoS: yup, I'll put patches in submaster. 10:03 < netrunner> I could also provide you with binaries for p3 ... 10:05 < BoS> cool - my pc is p3/500 10:08 < netrunner> BoS: the patches are up 10:08 < netrunner> smap 2004050610075908809 10:08 < netrunner> smap 2004050610080208888 10:09 < BoS> thx netrunner - download 10:29 < netrunner> BoS: I put the p3-biaries for libcdio and vcdimager on https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/download 10:31 < BoS> suprise - thx netrunner 10:37 < BoS> netrunner: download and install finishd 10:42 < netrunner> BoS: does it work? 10:43 < BoS> mom - i have here a little bit trouble 10:55 < BoS> netrunner: ke3b works - i'll test whit a svcd/vcd disc soon 10:56 < netrunner> ok, please comment on my patches in submaster afterwards. 10:57 < BoS> yep 11:04 < rxr> re 11:07 < netrunner> played quake to much https://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/05/nailed.skull.ap/index.html 11:15 -!- LowLander [~erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:22 < BoS> netrunner: error- k3b needs cdrecord 2.01a12 or newer to copy mode 2 data tracks 11:37 < netrunner> checking ... 11:42 < netrunner> what version do you have? the latest on the homepage is cdrtools 2.00.3 11:42 < BoS> 2.00.3 11:44 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-45.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:46 < daja77> *sigh* libsdl failed, this will break a lot 11:48 < netrunner> BoS: maybe it means cdrecord-ProDVD, fetch it at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ together with the wrapper script that includes a free-for-noncommercial key 11:49 < netrunner> daja77: what did you do to it? 11:49 < daja77> i yelled at it until it failed 11:49 < netrunner> :) 11:49 < daja77> no i just trying to compile everything with gcc-3.4 11:52 < rxr> daja77: you could help to fix regressions instead of yelling about them 11:52 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-64.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:52 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:54 < BoS> netrunner: thx for the solution 11:57 < blindy> rehi 11:59 < netrunner> BoS: did it help? 12:03 < BoS> mom - i test it 12:08 < BoS> no - it dosn`t work - he can't work whit multiple tracks - cdrecord 2.01a12 or newer 12:09 < BoS> i have download the wrapper and dvd-pro 12:09 < BoS> whats up here? 12:10 < BoS> cdrecord version 2.01a12 12:20 < nookie> Anyone of you guys familiar with GNU Plot? 12:22 < blindy> clifford is 12:22 < nookie> thanks 12:22 < nookie> :) 12:24 < rxr> well, valentin and I are at least, too 12:24 < rxr> what is the problem with gnuplot ? 12:24 < nookie> can I query? 12:26 < netrunner> BoS: have you entered the prodvd wrapper thing in the config as cdrecord? 12:29 < BoS> yes i have it - i have downlaod the 2.01a27 version - only one prob: he dosn't copy multiple data tracks, but the orig cds ar multiple, winoncd burning sw 12:30 < BoS> any ideas to solve this ? 13:15 * netrunner not, can only test @home 13:21 < daja77> rxr: i am not yelling 13:26 -!- darix [darix@monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de] has left #rocklinux ["All rights reversed"] 13:27 < rxr> daja77: you used this work for mozilla in the night yourself ;-) 13:28 < daja77> that yelling was a joke ;_) 13:28 < daja77> nevermind, i will try to fix some regressions when i have some time for this, have to work today :( 13:29 -!- owl [~owl@D7014.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:29 < owl> moin 13:29 < rxr> numbers: pkgs ~core lines 13:29 < rxr> 1.2.0 219 1457 13:29 < rxr> 1.3.11 249 2322 13:29 < rxr> 1.5.12 272 2689 13:29 < rxr> 1.6.0pre3 329 3121 13:29 < rxr> 1.7.0 568 6231 13:29 < rxr> 2.0.0 1105 7512 13:30 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M349P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:31 < rxr> 2.1-svn 1211 7724 13:32 < rxr> hm - I have not thought the core frew so much - should I really pulish graphs of this numers? 13:32 < rxr> numbers even ? 13:33 < daja77> to show what? that it is growing? 13:34 < rxr> yep 13:34 < daja77> :) 13:34 < owl> hi rxr , daja77 13:34 < daja77> hi owl 13:35 < rxr> I thought the core did not grew so much - I wanted to write how powerfull ans scaling the core it - but with such a code line increase ... 13:35 < netrunner> rxr: have you perhaps counted the .svn dirs? or what did you count? 13:36 < rxr> netrunner: no - why do you think so? 13:37 < rxr> as the headline 13:37 < rxr> core sourcode lines 13:37 < rxr> and package 13:37 < rxr> count 13:37 < daja77> ah + package 13:38 < netrunner> rxr: so what do you define as core? if you count the packages, you just show the increasing number of packages ... 13:38 < SMP> netrunner: scripts/* ? 13:39 < rxr> yes scripts/* - and there only the real work-doing stuff 13:39 < netrunner> aha ok. 13:39 < rxr> not checkversion whatever clifford helpers ... 13:39 < rxr> netrunner: when I line-count all .desc files you get s.th. like: 13:39 < SMP> and minus deb_db.txt 13:40 < netrunner> rxr: I know, 28858 13:40 < rxr> 41561 total 13:41 < rxr> for 1.6.0-pre3 13:41 < rxr> SMP: ack 13:41 < rxr> netrunner: huh? 13:41 < rxr> for 2.1-svn I get a ~ total of: 13:42 < rxr> 94737 total 13:42 < rxr> not counting patches ... 13:42 < rxr> but anyway ... 13:47 -!- nookie [~nookie@M474P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:49 < rxr> ok - slightly corrected numbers: 13:49 < rxr> version: pkgs: ~core lines: 13:49 < rxr> 1.2.0 219 1457 13:49 < rxr> 1.3.11 247+177 2322 13:49 < rxr> 1.5.12 269+261 2778 13:49 < rxr> 1.6.0pre3 326+164 3121 13:49 < rxr> 1.7.0 568 6231 13:49 < rxr> 2.0.0 1105 7512 13:49 < rxr> 2.1-svn 1211 7724 13:50 < rxr> + are crapy ugly ext packages I have not counted in the first run .... 13:50 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-054.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:50 -!- LowLander [~erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:50 [Users #rocklinux] 13:50 [ Aard ] [ dsoul] [ link_ ] [ netrunner] [ rolla ] [ tfing ] 13:50 [ blindy ] [ esden] [ luckz ] [ nookie_ ] [ rxr ] [ th_ ] 13:50 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ nzg ] [ SMP ] [ togg ] 13:50 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mnemoc ] [ owl ] [ snyke ] [ valentin] 13:50 [ daja77 ] [ k3t_ ] [ netcrow] [ praenti ] [ StefanG] 13:50 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 13:51 < nzg> hi 13:57 < rxr> 1.4.0 256+186 2485 14:01 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 14:22 < rxr> oh ! Hi alanjwylie 14:35 -!- owl [~owl@D7014.d.pppool.de] has quit ["saving money"] 14:36 < rxr> ok - /me is crazy, so here a more complete list: 14:36 < rxr> version: date: pkgs: ~core lines: 14:36 < rxr> 1.2.0 Aug 17 1999 219 1457 14:36 < rxr> 1.3.11 Oct 23 2000 247+177 2322 14:36 < rxr> 1.4.0 May 1 2001 256+186 2485 14:36 < rxr> 1.5.12 Dec 24 2001 269+261 2778 14:36 < rxr> 1.6.0pre3 Dec 31 2002 326+164 3121 14:36 < rxr> 1.7.0 Jan 01 2003 568 6231 14:36 < rxr> 2.0.0-beta Jun 09 2003 767 6591 14:36 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1 Aug 31 2003 895 7032 14:36 < rxr> 2.0.0 Mar 06 2004 1105 7512 14:36 < rxr> 2.1-svn May 04 2004 1211 7724 14:36 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:39 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:40 < dsoul> sweet :) 14:41 < rolla> re 14:48 < rxr> hi rolla 14:48 < rolla> hallo rxr 14:48 < rolla> I hate my job 14:49 < daja77> re 14:49 < rxr> ho - rolla whats up? 14:49 < rolla> just dealing with people that have small minds 14:49 < rolla> and only think about them self 14:50 < daja77> :( 14:51 < rolla> yeah I just want to tell them to f#$k them selves but it would not help 14:51 < daja77> it least they would not fork as a result of this :) 14:51 < rolla> true 15:28 -!- link_ [~link_@212.101.21.193] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:28 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:28 < LocalHero> hi all 16:03 -!- _snyke is now known as snyke 16:04 < daja77> hi LocalHero 16:23 < LocalHero> Are there any issues to consider if i uppgrade gcc to a newer version? 16:33 < netrunner> LocalHero: order lots of pizza and coke before ;) 16:39 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 16:39 < LocalHero> netrunner: hehe, oki, but there are no theoretical lib things or things like that? :) 16:40 < mnemoc> moin 16:42 < mnemoc> LocalHero: what version are you considering? 16:43 < LocalHero> I want to give 3.4 i try, i think i have 3.2.3 right now (rock 2.0 default) 16:43 < daja77> .oO (have fun) 16:43 < mnemoc> what glibc do u have installed? 16:44 < rxr> LocalHero: if you want 3.4 as system compiler - you need to rebuild all 16:44 < rxr> and you need to use a glibc-2.3.4-cvs snapshot 16:44 < LocalHero> hehe, oki, wait a minute, i just changed my mind ;) 16:44 < daja77> hm maybe i should use that for my cross compiler too 16:44 < rxr> LocalHero: just get the 2.1 source - and apply the relevant chunks from https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster 16:45 < rxr> and we will soon have a 2.1-gcc34 branch in subversino 16:45 < rxr> (clifford phoned my around lunch regardiing this) 16:45 < daja77> cool 16:45 < LocalHero> hehe, well my first question was if there was an easy upgrade. Now i believe the answer is no :) 16:45 < rxr> yes - no 16:46 < rxr> or better yes: no ;-) 16:46 < daja77> ;-) 16:46 < rxr> however if you just want it for you own stuff install it into /opt/gcc34 16:47 < LocalHero> rxr: that might be a good solution :) thanx ;) 16:47 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gcc34 gcc3 16:47 < rxr> (after you pulled the gcc3 updated patch from submaster ... 16:48 < LocalHero> nice ;) 16:48 < daja77> hm would this work for crosscompilers too when using the right config? 16:53 < rxr> sure 16:54 < daja77> nice 16:54 < rxr> the -cross packages are got this - but IIRC they might be a bit outdated ... 17:07 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["leaving"] 17:17 < rxr> s/got/for/ 17:41 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:59 < rxr> hi jsaw 17:59 < daja77> strange tcpdump seems to need debig symbols in libpcap 18:19 -!- jimboy [james@members.dynaloop.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:19 -!- jimboy [james@members.dynaloop.net] has left #rocklinux [] 18:32 < daja77> can I easily remove the option -fPIC from the gcc command line= 18:32 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 18:33 -!- netcrow_ [~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:33 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33 < mnemoc> daja77: var_remove :) 18:34 < daja77> k. first trying a patch ... 18:34 < mnemoc> but there is an envvar to add remove instructions to gcc wrapper 18:38 < daja77> hm they create patches that do not apply to their src >_< 18:39 < mnemoc> uhm.... how are those smart guys? 18:39 < mnemoc> how even 18:39 < mnemoc> AAARG! 18:39 < mnemoc> who* 18:39 -!- mnemoc is now known as menomc 18:40 < daja77> ah k. forgot it is just a -p0 patch, and the build scripts need -p1 *puh* 18:50 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CE1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:52 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D8FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:01 < menomc> what's the difference between cat<<EOT and cat<<-EOT ? 19:01 < tfing> menomc: <<- removes the leading tabs 19:01 < menomc> thanks tfing 19:02 < menomc> \t\tEOT finish <<- too ? 19:03 < tfing> i think so 19:23 < togg> hi all 19:24 < togg> i want to try linux26 package 19:24 < togg> with linux24 it added a /usr/src/linux 19:24 < togg> but with linux26 it does not 19:24 < togg> is this an error or do I wrong 19:26 < menomc> default linux kernel is symlinked to usr/src/linux 19:26 < menomc> set default using Config too 19:27 < togg> i even dont have an usr/src/linux26 in build target 19:27 < togg> but i have the linux26.tar.bz2 19:27 < togg> in pkg/ 19:27 < menomc> usr/src/linux26 is produced by package linux26-src 19:27 < togg> oh i saw my error 19:27 < togg> its ok :) 19:28 < togg> i forget to change in Config :) 19:28 < togg> too bad 20:12 * netrunner just listened to a speech about gentoo features 20:12 < netrunner> held by esden 20:13 < netrunner> esden: *kick* 20:16 < rxr> netrunner: what ? 20:16 < rxr> held by esden ?!?!?!? 20:20 < daja77> omg 20:20 < rxr> netrunner: ? 20:20 < netrunner> just to 2 guys, but he seems to go abroad :( 20:20 < rxr> huh? Now that Gentoo starts to break - loose people 20:20 < rxr> thise funder leaves ... 20:21 < rxr> what does he like about gentoo ? 20:21 < rxr> founder even 20:22 < daja77> hm nice libsdl compiles again, dunno if you like that patch 20:24 < daja77> that gentoo guys are cool they supply patches which do not fix anything 20:25 < rxr> netrunner: ? 20:25 < netrunner> mom, meeting ... 20:28 < rxr> how is interested in meetings when esden want's to join gentoo ... 20:29 < SMP> do you have an attitude-problem with Gentoo? 20:30 < rxr> yes ... 20:30 < SMP> relax ;-) 20:30 < rxr> or better no 20:30 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8EC66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Why?"] 20:30 < rxr> just a rock-solid attitude ,) 20:31 < daja77> hehe 20:32 < rxr> I am sooooo stupid 20:32 < netrunner> he tried to install rock but was not able because of the lack of documentation 20:32 < rxr> he ? esden ? Was not able to install ROCK ? 20:32 < daja77> O_o 20:33 < rxr> _lack_ of documentation ? 20:33 < rxr> was this in 1999 or so ? 20:33 * rxr is so stupid - build a whole PowerPC build with "(601) Utilise the mixed POWER/PowerPC (only MPC601) ISA" and now it does not run on a single box here ... 20:33 < rxr> damn *grummel* 20:33 * fake has to say it again 20:33 < fake> https://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html 20:34 * rxr rm -rf'ing this build 20:34 < SMP> rxr: watch out not to wipe your source and download tree with it ;-> 20:34 < daja77> hehe 20:35 < daja77> scripts/Cleanup -full build/$id works even if it is quite counterintuitive 20:37 < rxr> SMP: I have it on several boxes - I would just scp it ... 20:39 < daja77> this is quite strange libsdl build but libsdl_image claims not to find the sdl-config tool O_o 20:40 < rxr> daja77: I think your libsdl fix is a no-do 20:40 < rxr> AFA my understanding of ELF stuff goes the .so will not work afterwards when you disable Position Independant Code ... 20:40 < rxr> .so's are relocate to a random address .... 20:41 < rxr> where PIC should be the default anyway - strang that the option removal makes a difference ... 20:41 < daja77> hm the libsdl guys were wondering why they uses -fPIC at all ... 20:41 < daja77> the assembly code does not compile with gcc-3.4 when it is enabled :\ 20:42 < daja77> and yes I know that this approach sucks in a way 20:43 < daja77> well maybe i could get more clue from that guys in the sdl chan 20:48 < daja77> hm they told me to try cvs version, will do so 20:48 < rxr> but we do not want to package even more cvs version 20:48 < rxr> just leave it as it is - we can use the workaround until the next release of libsdl 20:49 < daja77> k. 20:49 < daja77> i haven't seen any significant changes in webcvs even 20:55 < daja77> want to say the affected files in cvs are older than the gcc 3.4 release ^^ 21:03 < rxr> maybe makefile / configure ... 21:04 < rxr> but anyway - until the next version it is fine this way 21:05 < daja77> yep i think so, we cannot fix all others people's code 21:11 < rxr> daja77: you have read two days ago that I wrote to you that those c4u people complete canceled the VoIP Projekt w/ us? ... 21:12 < daja77> no actually not 21:15 < rxr> should be in the log from Monday 21:24 < daja77> oh youu wrote to dan kegel 21:24 < blindy> -aay 21:24 < blindy> hi 21:26 < daja77> hi blindy, do you ack my patch for libsdl? 21:27 < blindy> as soon as I read it 21:27 < daja77> ;) 21:29 < daja77> checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config 21:29 < daja77> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.4... no 21:29 < daja77> *** Could not run SDL test program, checking why... 21:29 < daja77> it is there I checked this twice >_< 21:29 < tfing> daja77: look at the config.log 21:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M241P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:32 < blindy> daja77: does it also work with "outdated" and "obsolete" gccs? 21:37 < daja77> no idea, what is worse that libsdl_image configure fails now due missing MMX linker symbols >_< 21:41 < blindy> daja77: could you do a check if gcc is gcc34 and leave the options alone otherwise? 21:46 < rxr> blindy: if the patch is applied there is only gcc2 and gcc3 in trunk 21:47 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M349P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:47 < rxr> and I have thought about this -fPIC is quite some NOP anway - the patch is ok this way 21:47 < rxr> the SDL people must have done s.th. totally unsported to make gcc report errors .... 21:49 < blindy> I see 21:52 < daja77> only thing that drives me nuts is the libsdl_image configure script 21:56 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:56 < LowLander> evening 21:56 < LowLander> man Qt is just "krank" 21:58 < netrunner> oh, /me just plays with qt ;) 21:58 < LowLander> so am i 21:58 < LowLander> but can hardly call it "play" 21:59 < LowLander> their idea of OO is just twisted 21:59 < LowLander> menu_item->addTo( menu_bar ) 21:59 < LowLander> what idiot came up with that 22:00 < daja77> #rocklinux is now know as #general-ranting 22:00 < rxr> sf.net broken from europe ? 22:00 < LowLander> yeah :-) 22:00 < daja77> nope 22:00 < LowLander> sf.net works for me 22:01 < netrunner> LowLander: what's wron with that? 22:01 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:02 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < LowLander> netrunner, well somehow you will have to call some methode on the menu_bar annyway to add the item 22:03 < LowLander> so it is hiding a simple menu_bar->add( menu_item) 22:05 < LowLander> and i hate the C++ extentions 22:05 < LowLander> just use the language, GTKMM does just fine without extentions 22:05 < menomc> /* */ is a good extention :) 22:06 * netrunner finds lot of extension offers in his inbox :) 22:07 < daja77> do they work? 22:07 < menomc> who said you need one? 22:07 < menomc> :) 22:08 < menomc> (daja's comment did sound better) 22:08 < LowLander> hehe 22:09 < LowLander> daja77's comment sounded like he is looking for an extention ;-P 22:10 < daja77> i just wann know if they work ... 22:11 < menomc> mine sounded as i had testes netrunner's extension :\ 22:12 < daja77> not really 22:12 < menomc> good to know 22:14 < daja77> nice https://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2004-May/061450.html 22:14 < daja77> think I'm gonna hate this crap 22:16 < menomc> i'll love daja and rene when i try to use gcc-3.4 (a couple of weeks) and everything work like a charm :) 22:16 < daja77> ^^ 22:17 < daja77> btw the config script is quite fast now 22:19 * netrunner wants a faster laptop. 22:19 * menomc wants a laptop 22:22 < netrunner> menomc: I have a spare one here ... 8086 with 8MHz CPU :) 22:22 < menomc> 8086 laptop??! 22:22 < netrunner> jup. 22:23 < netrunner> one of the first. 2 DD 3,5" drives (no HDD) 22:24 < menomc> if you want to send it i'll gladly accept that 'precious' =) 22:25 < daja77> what do you want to use it for 22:25 < menomc> just ot have it :) 22:26 * rxr hates searching for errors in ploticus scripts and noticing at the end that just the scaling has been wrong ... 22:26 < daja77> :( 22:26 < menomc> hi rxr 22:27 * daja77 hates broken packages cos ppl do not fixed reported errors 22:28 < rxr> I guess you especially hates it when this are non-trival assembler hack bugs ? 22:28 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < MadTux> Good day. 22:28 < blindy> hi MadTux 22:28 < MadTux> Blindy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:28 < blindy> MadTux: the gems and a statically linked mine for sparc are in your home on scavenger.homeip.net 22:29 < MadTux> blindy: great news.. hollyollie is comming over to my house in 2 weeks.. so u can send me some anime with him.. and I can send u back coffee with him 22:29 < MadTux> blindy: eggcellent.. i will start fetching that stuff when i leave the office 22:29 < blindy> I'll have them sent to him 22:29 < blindy> MadTux: ok, I'll probably be in bed by then :) 22:30 < blindy> actually, I already am :) 22:30 < blindy> WLAN is just great :) 22:30 < MadTux> good. 22:31 < menomc> uhm 22:31 < menomc> MadTux! 22:32 < MadTux> Mr. 22:32 -!- owl [~owl@D7130.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:32 < owl> moin 22:32 < owl> hi MadTux 22:32 < MadTux> SED! :) 22:32 < owl> :) 22:32 < blindy> moin owly 22:32 < owl> *hug* 22:32 < MadTux> GREAT to see u 22:32 < owl> hi blindy 22:32 < MadTux> *HUG* 22:32 < owl> nope. to see you ;) 22:32 < owl> how are you? 22:33 < daja77> hi owl & MadTux 22:33 < owl> hi daja77 22:33 * netrunner going home 22:33 < owl> bye netrunner 22:34 < daja77> cu netrunner 22:34 < MadTux> daja77: Wie geht es _Ihnen_ ? 22:34 < daja77> quite good, thx and you? 22:35 < MadTux> I'm GREAT thanks for asking 22:35 < MadTux> owly i'm good. and VERY happy to see u here 22:35 < MadTux> query owl 22:41 < menomc> MadTux: will you mail me the elks presentation? ;) 22:42 < MadTux> ok. 22:43 < daja77> and the pics fro the conference ^^ 22:44 < menomc> yeah 22:44 < MadTux> https://www.hsol.net/~mike/gallery/ 22:45 < MadTux> https://hsol.net/~elkin/gallery/ <- much more 22:45 < netrunner> wamos a la plaia, oh ohuohuohoooo 22:46 < daja77> nice 22:46 < MadTux> netrunner: sure ur tesis is almost finshed :) 22:46 < MadTux> netrunner: playa waiting ofr you 22:47 < netrunner> MadTux: hehe, no just have to wait for some friends that need a ride to the city 22:47 < MadTux> hehe 22:47 < netrunner> MadTux: what is the price for the flight there? 22:47 < daja77> >700 euro 22:48 < MadTux> netrunner: Honestly i don't know.. but i guess Oliver can tell you. 22:48 < MadTux> or daja77 yes :) 22:48 < daja77> nice cybux was there 22:49 < MadTux> daja77: u know him? he was one of the members of the organization of the event 22:50 < daja77> well only via irc like you :) 22:50 < MadTux> daja77: well u also know me from ur nightmares.. 22:51 < daja77> hehe yeah i forgot 22:56 -!- kasc [~kasc@c-180-208-226.cvx-l.dial.de.ignite.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:57 < owl> KASC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:57 < owl> *jump* hi 22:58 < kasc> wow! nice greeting ;) 23:01 < netrunner> MadTux: what's the nearest airport? then I can check some site 23:01 < MadTux> try SJO Airport.. its 5 mins away from me :) 23:02 < MadTux> its called "Aeropuerto Internacional Juan Santamaria" 23:02 < MadTux> no site of the aiport atmn 23:02 < daja77> guess most flight go to san jose 23:03 < daja77> netrunner: search iberia for direct flights to .cr 23:03 < owl> or - maybe - air berlin 23:04 < daja77> they do that? 23:05 < netrunner> guess not ;) 23:07 < togg> hi all 23:07 < owl> hi togg 23:07 < togg> does rockplug support linux26 ? 23:08 < SMP> I have it working fine with 2.6 for quite some time 23:08 < togg> any modifications ? 23:08 < SMP> no 23:08 < togg> that sounds good :) 23:09 < daja77> SMP: you were using an older rockplug right? 23:10 < daja77> nice seems that the gnome stuff builds with gcc-3.4 23:11 < SMP> the system I tested recently had an unmodified rockplug 23:11 < daja77> k. 23:15 < daja77> ok not all of the gnome stuff ^^ 23:18 < daja77> anyway n8 you all 23:19 < MadTux> gn8 daja77 23:20 < menomc> n8 daja77 23:20 < owl> gn8 daja77. sleep well 23:20 < owl> hi menomc , SMP 23:22 < menomc> hi owlish 23:25 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 23:25 < owl> owlish? O_o 23:26 < owl> menomcish 23:26 < menomc> :) --- Log closed Fri May 07 00:00:02 2004