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00:00 < daja77> so your patch work, grats
00:01 < rxr> yes - and now I know mozilla stinks more I thought
00:01 < rxr> even the config stuff is quirked
00:01 < daja77> open src has its disadvantages too
00:01 < daja77> sometimes it would be better not to see the code
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00:08 < daja77> hm your tree patch does not apply ...
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00:27 < rxr> == 00:04:12 =[5]=> Building misc/rxvt-unicode [2.8 2.1.0-DEV].
00:27 < rxr> == 05/06/04 00:04:39 =[5]=> Aborted building package rxvt-unicode.
00:28 < rxr> .oO ( our ueber genius GCC steering commitee member created code not compileable w/ gcc-3.4 ... )
00:28 < rxr> daja77: strange - I first diffed it on the iBook
00:28 < rxr> built
00:28 < rxr> I built on Athlon - patch did not apply - I rediffed
00:28 < rxr> now it does not apply on your side?
00:28 < rxr> what the heck is this ...
00:30 < rxr> ok - cu, n8 all
00:36 < holyolli> n8
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02:11 < MadTux> re.
02:34 < fake> you _MUST_ see this: http://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html
02:37 < MadTux> fake, NICE!!!!!!!!!!!
02:53 < fake> MadTux: an informatics test in the 12th class
02:58 < MadTux> hehe
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03:53 < esden> re hi all
03:53 < esden> that was long feeding
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05:55 < demian> hi
05:55 < esden> hi demian 
05:56 < demian> dear esden.. how are u ?
05:56 < esden> fine thanks ... bit drunk but fine ... 
05:56 < esden> and how are you?
05:56 < esden> ohh ... I mean tripsy ...
05:56 < esden> a new word I learned to spell today ;)
05:57 < demian> oph i see. u are fine so.. hehe
05:58 < demian> which word ? brrrp ?
05:58 < demian> well. i am fine too.. but looking for a job
05:58 < esden> "tripsy" 
05:58 < esden> humm ... is it a problem?
05:58 < esden> are you ready with your studys now?
06:00 < demian> no.. i am taking a course about cisco routers and advanced routing technologies.. but in the uni.. this semester i was unable to study over there.  anyways.. i think i am better than many engineers out there
06:01 < esden> that is probable in most cases
06:01 < demian> what people is looking for is to see a title, a title that copuld representate me.. but ive had some troubles with the uni.. that's shit
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06:01 < esden> the people in my university are mostly only lamers ... that study informatics for some reason I do not understand
06:02 < esden> what troubles had you with the uni?
06:02 < demian> hehe, yeah..
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06:02 < esden> re praenti 
06:02 < esden> ;)
06:02 < esden> praenti: you are a ghost
06:05 < esden> demian: ?
06:05 < demian> ah well.
06:06 < demian> i got some troubles cause of their NIS/YP servers.. they tough i did siomething bad with them.. but never touched anything
06:06 < demian> the thing is that they think i am sth like a virus for the admins there.. fortunately.. all of them were lkicked last semester
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06:07 < demian> and i am not going to touch their computers ever.. to avoid that kind of problems
06:07 < esden> humm .. I understand
06:08 < esden> are you still there ? ... studying?
06:09 < demian> yes.. i left just this semester.. but i will continue.. btw.. i will study physiscs the next year in another Uni
06:09 < tony_> my computer won't boot from the CD, and the BIOS says it should be... how can I install linux?
06:10 < demian> meanwhile i am working and studying .. but the work are making some smalls LANs and little things.. nmot what i hope.. but i think it can improve
06:10 < esden> tony_: floppy discs is another opportunity to install rock
06:11 < esden> demian: good luck then with finding a job that is appropriate for you
06:11 < tony_> i heard rock linux was harder to use, and I'm a newb.  So i'm trying to install gentoo
06:11 < esden> if you are trying gentoo then you are in the wrong channel
06:11 < esden> but ...
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06:12 < esden> you can try rock .. it is not as hard to use as all say
06:12 < esden> the only problem is that it is lacking documentation
06:12 < esden> but you gett all help in this channel here .. so that is not a real problem at the end
06:12 < tony_> well it was a general purpose linux question
06:14 < esden> ok ... so if the cd is not working try floppy discs ...
06:14 < esden> but gentoo does not have floppy discs afaik
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06:15 < esden> I searched for floppy discs images myself some days ago ... so...
06:15 < demian> esden: what did u say since my last message ? i couldnt receive it
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06:16 < esden> 06:11 < esden> demian: good luck then with finding a job that is appropriate for you
06:16 < demian> ah ok. thnks. i will need it
06:18 < esden> shitt .. water went out .. 
06:18  * esden getting another bottle
06:18 < esden> good .. water rulez
06:24 < demian> got to go.. girl waiting
06:25 < esden> girl waiting? YOU BASTARD ;)
06:25 < demian> keep that troat hot esden 
06:25 < esden> cu have fun
06:25 < demian> hehe, u2
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06:28 < esden> tony_: how is your progress? 
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06:40 < tony_> i think i might have figured it out
06:40 < tony_> there is a program called smart boot manager
06:40 < esden> humm ... url+
06:40 < esden> ?
06:40 < tony_> it installs a boot loader to a floppy, and gives you options to boot other devices after that
06:40 < tony_> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
06:41 < tony_> its what they talk about in the first section
06:42 < esden> ahh ... ok
06:42 < esden> nice to know
06:42 < esden> thanks
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06:42 < tony_> yea, thank you... I wouldn't have even known what to look for without your hint
06:43 < esden> no problem
06:43 < esden> but as I see you are still trying gentoo
06:43 < esden> ;)
06:44 < esden> I really do not know if it is such a good idea ... ... but I am not objective enough
06:45 < tony_> well rock is downloading
06:45 < tony_> the answer just happened to be on the gentoo site, i googled and it came up
06:46 < esden> ahh ok
06:46 < esden> and which iso are you downloading from rock?
06:46 < esden> simply paste the url
06:48 < tony_> i'm intimidated by the description of the rock... "made for system administrators and experienced linux users"
06:49 < esden> ahh crap ... that description is crap
06:50 < esden> I think that this description is the reason why so few people are using it
06:50 < esden> it is not as hard to use as it sounds
06:50 < tony_> are you a developer?
06:50 < esden> I even suppose it is easier to use then gentoo
06:50 < esden> I supposed to be
06:50 < esden> currently I have not time to work on rock
06:51 < esden> I have other things to do
06:51 < esden> I use fedora on my laptop for example ... so I do not have to care about anything
06:51 < esden> but I still use rock on my main machine at home
06:52 < esden> because of the cutting edge ... and flexibility
06:52 < esden> and of course because I know rock very well
06:52 < esden> and I have to say 2.0 is easy to install and use
06:53 < esden> you do not need a multipage description for that
06:53 < esden> it is pretty intuitive
06:53 < esden> nearly like debian ...
06:53 < esden> but at the end it is much more flexible
06:53 < netrunner>  .o( esden quits "Excess Flood" )
06:53 < esden> good morning netrunner ;)
06:53 < netrunner> moin, 2
06:54 < esden> netrunner: have you send the "ausarbeitungen" to the guys at rnp?
06:54 < esden> or even better have you got my mail?
06:55 < esden> ping netrunner 
07:00 < netrunner> esden: sent.
07:01 < esden> ok
07:01 < esden> that is all I wanted to know ;)
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07:37  * esden wech
07:37 < esden> cu 
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07:48 < BoS> moin
07:55 < BoS> q to vcdimager: in this pkg 
07:56 < BoS> this pkgs isn't complete, the vdcx.... tools are missing here
08:41 < netrunner> vcdimager and vcdrip, what else?
08:42 < BoS> vcdxrip, vcdxinfo, vcdxbuild
08:45 < netrunner> BoS: the source contains only the cli and the gnome frontend. the gnome frontend is not enabled.
08:46 < BoS> why
08:52 < blindy> moin
08:56 < netrunner> hi blindy
08:57 < blindy> netrunner: sunday is "Muttertag", no?
08:57 < netrunner> jup
08:57 < netrunner> it's dangerous to give gf's presents at this day ;)
08:58 < blindy> *lol*
08:58 < blindy> no such hazard here
08:58 < blindy> but I thought about serving a 4-course menu to my mother
09:01 < blindy> 1. Pflaumenwein
09:01 < blindy> 2. Krabbentoast
09:01 < blindy> 3. Knuspriges Paprika-Huehnchen
09:02 < blindy> 4. don't remember the name. Have it written down downstairs
09:10 < netrunner> I'll spend the day driving around my grandma and going to a private party with 2 girls in kempten :)
09:15 < netrunner> BoS:  WARNING: THE GNOME FRONTEND IS NOT USABLE YET 
09:16 < BoS> ah - ok, but what can i use for vcd/svcd isos?
09:16 < netrunner> what about k3b? :)
09:16 < BoS> missing the tools
09:17 < blindy> mkscvd and cdrecord
09:17 < BoS> and i can't copy the cd's
09:17 < blindy> copy == cdrdao
09:18 < blindy> netrunner: I'll go dancing late sunday afternoon, as usual.
09:18 < BoS> not works yet - read/io error
09:18 < BoS> mksvcd?
09:18 < blindy> or mkvcd
09:19 < blindy> the vcd-sister of mkisofs
09:20 < blindy> anyway, I'm off
09:20 < blindy> need new shoes and clothes
09:20 < blindy> loosing weight really sucks... need new clothes every 6 weeks >_<
09:20 < blindy> bye
09:33  * netrunner wonders how one can change shoesize by dieting
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09:40 < link_> ehlo
09:41 < netrunner> BoS: I think the vcdx things are only in the unstable branch of vcdimager.
09:42 < BoS> mmhhh - this is 2818 trunk 
09:42 < BoS> whitout any patches
09:43 < netrunner> nope, I mean vcdimager. their latest stable release was 0.6.2
09:43 < netrunner> which is in rocklinux.
09:43 < netrunner> BoS: I'll update/testbuild/upload patch
09:43 < BoS> ok 
09:44 < BoS> in the trunk tree?
10:03 < netrunner> hm, depends on libcdio ...
10:03 < netrunner> BoS: yup, I'll put patches in submaster.
10:03 < netrunner> I could also provide you with binaries for p3 ...
10:05 < BoS> cool - my pc is p3/500
10:08 < netrunner> BoS: the patches are up
10:08 < netrunner> smap 2004050610075908809
10:08 < netrunner> smap 2004050610080208888
10:09 < BoS> thx netrunner - download
10:29 < netrunner> BoS: I put the p3-biaries for libcdio and vcdimager on http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/download
10:31 < BoS> suprise - thx netrunner 
10:37 < BoS> netrunner: download and install finishd
10:42 < netrunner> BoS: does it work?
10:43 < BoS> mom - i have here a little bit trouble
10:55 < BoS> netrunner: ke3b works -  i'll test whit a svcd/vcd disc soon
10:56 < netrunner> ok, please comment on my patches in submaster afterwards.
10:57 < BoS> yep
11:04 < rxr> re
11:07 < netrunner> played quake to much http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/05/nailed.skull.ap/index.html
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11:22 < BoS> netrunner: error- k3b needs cdrecord 2.01a12 or newer to copy mode 2 data tracks
11:37 < netrunner> checking ...
11:42 < netrunner> what version do you have? the latest on the homepage is cdrtools 2.00.3
11:42 < BoS> 2.00.3
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11:46 < daja77> *sigh* libsdl failed, this will break a lot
11:48 < netrunner> BoS: maybe it means cdrecord-ProDVD, fetch it at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ together with the wrapper script that includes a free-for-noncommercial key
11:49 < netrunner> daja77: what did you do to it?
11:49 < daja77> i yelled at it until it failed
11:49 < netrunner> :)
11:49 < daja77> no i just trying to compile everything with gcc-3.4
11:52 < rxr> daja77: you could help to fix regressions instead of yelling about them
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11:54 < BoS> netrunner: thx for the solution
11:57 < blindy> rehi
11:59 < netrunner> BoS: did it help?
12:03 < BoS> mom - i test it 
12:08 < BoS> no - it dosn`t work - he can't work whit multiple tracks - cdrecord 2.01a12 or newer 
12:09 < BoS> i have download the wrapper and dvd-pro
12:09 < BoS> whats up here?
12:10 < BoS> cdrecord version 2.01a12 
12:20 < nookie> Anyone of you guys familiar with GNU Plot?
12:22 < blindy> clifford is
12:22 < nookie> thanks
12:22 < nookie> :)
12:24 < rxr> well, valentin and I are at least, too
12:24 < rxr> what is the problem with gnuplot ?
12:24 < nookie> can I query?
12:26 < netrunner> BoS: have you entered the prodvd wrapper thing in the config as cdrecord?
12:29 < BoS> yes i have it - i have downlaod the 2.01a27 version - only one prob: he dosn't copy multiple data tracks, but the orig cds ar multiple, winoncd burning sw
12:30 < BoS> any ideas to solve this ?
13:15  * netrunner not, can only test @home
13:21 < daja77> rxr: i am not yelling
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13:27 < rxr> daja77: you used this work for mozilla in the night yourself ;-)
13:28 < daja77> that yelling was a joke ;_)
13:28 < daja77> nevermind, i will try to fix some regressions when i have some time for this, have to work today :(
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13:29 < owl> moin
13:29 < rxr> numbers:      pkgs    ~core lines
13:29 < rxr>    1.2.0      219     1457
13:29 < rxr>    1.3.11     249     2322
13:29 < rxr>    1.5.12     272     2689
13:29 < rxr>    1.6.0pre3  329     3121
13:29 < rxr>    1.7.0      568     6231
13:29 < rxr>    2.0.0      1105    7512
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13:31 < rxr>    2.1-svn    1211    7724
13:32 < rxr> hm - I have not thought the core frew so much - should I really pulish graphs of this numers?
13:32 < rxr> numbers even ?
13:33 < daja77> to show what? that it is growing?
13:34 < rxr> yep
13:34 < daja77> :)
13:34 < owl> hi rxr , daja77 
13:34 < daja77> hi owl
13:35 < rxr> I thought the core did not grew so much - I wanted to write how powerfull ans scaling the core it - but with such a code line increase ...
13:35 < netrunner> rxr: have you perhaps counted the .svn dirs? or what did you count?
13:36 < rxr> netrunner: no - why do you think so?
13:37 < rxr> as the headline
13:37 < rxr> core sourcode lines
13:37 < rxr> and package
13:37 < rxr> count
13:37 < daja77> ah + package
13:38 < netrunner> rxr: so what do you define as core? if you count the packages, you just show the increasing number of packages ...
13:38 < SMP> netrunner: scripts/* ?
13:39 < rxr> yes scripts/* - and there only the real work-doing stuff
13:39 < netrunner> aha ok.
13:39 < rxr> not checkversion whatever clifford helpers ...
13:39 < rxr> netrunner: when I line-count all .desc files you get s.th. like:
13:39 < SMP> and minus deb_db.txt 
13:40 < netrunner> rxr: I know, 28858
13:40 < rxr>   41561 total
13:41 < rxr> for 1.6.0-pre3
13:41 < rxr> SMP: ack
13:41 < rxr> netrunner: huh?
13:41 < rxr> for 2.1-svn I get a ~ total of:
13:42 < rxr> 94737 total
13:42 < rxr> not counting patches ...
13:42 < rxr> but anyway ...
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13:49 < rxr> ok - slightly corrected numbers:
13:49 < rxr>    version:   pkgs:   ~core lines:
13:49 < rxr>    1.2.0      219     1457
13:49 < rxr>    1.3.11     247+177 2322
13:49 < rxr>    1.5.12     269+261 2778
13:49 < rxr>    1.6.0pre3  326+164 3121
13:49 < rxr>    1.7.0      568     6231
13:49 < rxr>    2.0.0      1105    7512
13:49 < rxr>    2.1-svn    1211    7724
13:50 < rxr> + are crapy ugly ext packages I have not counted in the first run ....
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13:50 [ Aard    ] [ dsoul] [ link_  ] [ netrunner] [ rolla  ] [ tfing   ] 
13:50 [ blindy  ] [ esden] [ luckz  ] [ nookie_  ] [ rxr    ] [ th_     ] 
13:50 [ BoS     ] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ nzg      ] [ SMP    ] [ togg    ] 
13:50 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mnemoc ] [ owl      ] [ snyke  ] [ valentin] 
13:50 [ daja77  ] [ k3t_ ] [ netcrow] [ praenti  ] [ StefanG] 
13:50 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal]
13:51 < nzg> hi
13:57 < rxr>    1.4.0      256+186 2485
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14:22 < rxr> oh ! Hi alanjwylie 
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14:36 < rxr> ok - /me is crazy, so here a more complete list:
14:36 < rxr>    version:   date:        pkgs:   ~core lines:
14:36 < rxr>    1.2.0      Aug 17  1999 219     1457
14:36 < rxr>    1.3.11     Oct 23  2000 247+177 2322
14:36 < rxr>    1.4.0      May  1  2001 256+186 2485
14:36 < rxr>    1.5.12     Dec 24  2001 269+261 2778
14:36 < rxr>    1.6.0pre3  Dec 31  2002 326+164 3121 
14:36 < rxr>    1.7.0      Jan 01  2003 568     6231
14:36 < rxr>    2.0.0-beta Jun 09  2003 767     6591
14:36 < rxr>    2.0.0-rc1  Aug 31  2003 895     7032
14:36 < rxr>    2.0.0      Mar 06  2004 1105    7512
14:36 < rxr>    2.1-svn    May 04  2004 1211    7724
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14:40 < dsoul> sweet :)
14:41 < rolla> re
14:48 < rxr> hi rolla 
14:48 < rolla> hallo rxr
14:48 < rolla> I hate my job
14:49 < daja77> re
14:49 < rxr> ho - rolla whats up?
14:49 < rolla> just dealing with people that have small minds
14:49 < rolla> and only think about them self
14:50 < daja77> :(
14:51 < rolla> yeah I just want to tell them to f#$k them selves but it would not help
14:51 < daja77> it least they would not fork as a result of this :)
14:51 < rolla> true
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15:28 < LocalHero> hi all
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16:04 < daja77> hi LocalHero 
16:23 < LocalHero> Are there any issues to consider if i uppgrade gcc to a newer version?
16:33 < netrunner> LocalHero: order lots of pizza and coke before ;)
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16:39 < LocalHero> netrunner: hehe, oki, but there are no theoretical lib things or things like that? :)
16:40 < mnemoc> moin
16:42 < mnemoc> LocalHero: what version are you considering?
16:43 < LocalHero> I want to give 3.4 i try, i think i have 3.2.3 right now (rock 2.0 default)
16:43 < daja77> .oO (have fun)
16:43 < mnemoc> what glibc do u have installed?
16:44 < rxr> LocalHero: if you want 3.4 as system compiler - you need to rebuild all
16:44 < rxr> and you need to use a glibc-2.3.4-cvs snapshot
16:44 < LocalHero> hehe, oki, wait a minute, i just changed my mind ;)
16:44 < daja77> hm maybe i should use that for my cross compiler too
16:44 < rxr> LocalHero: just get the 2.1 source - and apply the relevant chunks from http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster
16:45 < rxr> and we will soon have a 2.1-gcc34 branch in subversino
16:45 < rxr> (clifford phoned my around lunch regardiing this)
16:45 < daja77> cool
16:45 < LocalHero> hehe, well my first question was if there was an easy upgrade. Now i believe the answer is no :)
16:45 < rxr> yes - no
16:46 < rxr> or better yes: no ;-)
16:46 < daja77> ;-)
16:46 < rxr> however if you just want it for you own stuff install it into /opt/gcc34
16:47 < LocalHero> rxr: that might be a good solution :) thanx ;)
16:47 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gcc34 gcc3
16:47 < rxr> (after you pulled the gcc3 updated patch from submaster ...
16:48 < LocalHero> nice ;)
16:48 < daja77> hm would this work for crosscompilers too when using the right config?
16:53 < rxr> sure
16:54 < daja77> nice
16:54 < rxr> the -cross packages are got this - but IIRC they might be a bit outdated ...
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17:17 < rxr> s/got/for/
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17:59 < rxr> hi jsaw 
17:59 < daja77> strange tcpdump seems to need debig symbols in libpcap
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18:32 < daja77> can I easily remove the option -fPIC from the gcc command line=
18:32 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"]
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18:33 < mnemoc> daja77: var_remove :)
18:34 < daja77> k. first trying a patch ...
18:34 < mnemoc> but there is an envvar to add remove instructions to gcc wrapper
18:38 < daja77> hm they create patches that do not apply to their src >_<
18:39 < mnemoc> uhm.... how are those smart guys?
18:39 < mnemoc> how even
18:39 < mnemoc> AAARG!
18:39 < mnemoc> who*
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18:40 < daja77> ah k. forgot it is just a -p0 patch, and the build scripts need -p1 *puh*
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19:01 < menomc> what's the difference between cat<<EOT and cat<<-EOT ?
19:01 < tfing> menomc: <<- removes the leading tabs
19:01 < menomc> thanks tfing 
19:02 < menomc> \t\tEOT finish <<- too ?
19:03 < tfing> i think so
19:23 < togg> hi all
19:24 < togg> i want to try linux26 package
19:24 < togg> with linux24 it added a /usr/src/linux 
19:24 < togg> but with linux26 it does not
19:24 < togg> is this an error or do I wrong
19:26 < menomc> default linux kernel is symlinked to usr/src/linux
19:26 < menomc> set default using Config too
19:27 < togg> i even dont have an usr/src/linux26 in build target
19:27 < togg> but i have the linux26.tar.bz2
19:27 < togg> in pkg/
19:27 < menomc> usr/src/linux26 is produced by package linux26-src
19:27 < togg> oh i saw my error
19:27 < togg> its ok :)
19:28 < togg> i forget to change in Config :)
19:28 < togg> too bad
20:12  * netrunner just listened to a speech about gentoo features
20:12 < netrunner> held by esden 
20:13 < netrunner> esden: *kick*
20:16 < rxr> netrunner: what ?
20:16 < rxr> held by esden ?!?!?!?
20:20 < daja77> omg
20:20 < rxr> netrunner: ?
20:20 < netrunner> just to 2 guys, but he seems to go abroad :(
20:20 < rxr> huh? Now that Gentoo starts to break - loose people
20:20 < rxr> thise funder leaves ...
20:21 < rxr> what does he like about gentoo ?
20:21 < rxr> founder even
20:22 < daja77> hm nice libsdl compiles again, dunno if you like that patch
20:24 < daja77> that gentoo guys are cool they supply patches which do not fix anything
20:25 < rxr> netrunner: ?
20:25 < netrunner> mom, meeting ...
20:28 < rxr> how is interested in meetings when esden want's to join gentoo ...
20:29 < SMP> do you have an attitude-problem with Gentoo?
20:30 < rxr> yes ...
20:30 < SMP> relax ;-)
20:30 < rxr> or better no
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20:30 < rxr> just a rock-solid attitude ,)
20:31 < daja77> hehe
20:32 < rxr> I am sooooo stupid
20:32 < netrunner> he tried to install rock but was not able because of the lack of documentation
20:32 < rxr> he ? esden ? Was not able to install ROCK ?
20:32 < daja77> O_o
20:33 < rxr> _lack_ of documentation ?
20:33 < rxr> was this in 1999 or so ?
20:33  * rxr is so stupid - build a whole PowerPC build with "(601)      Utilise the mixed POWER/PowerPC (only MPC601) ISA" and now it does not run on a single box here ...
20:33 < rxr> damn *grummel*
20:33  * fake has to say it again
20:33 < fake> http://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html
20:34  * rxr rm -rf'ing this build
20:34 < SMP> rxr: watch out not to wipe your source and download tree with it ;->
20:34 < daja77> hehe
20:35 < daja77> scripts/Cleanup -full build/$id works even if it is quite counterintuitive
20:37 < rxr> SMP: I have it on several boxes - I would just scp it ...
20:39 < daja77> this is quite strange libsdl build but libsdl_image claims not to find the sdl-config tool O_o
20:40 < rxr> daja77: I think your libsdl fix is a no-do
20:40 < rxr> AFA my understanding of ELF stuff goes the .so will not work afterwards when you disable Position Independant Code ...
20:40 < rxr> .so's are relocate to a random address ....
20:41 < rxr> where PIC should be the default anyway - strang that the option removal makes a difference ...
20:41 < daja77> hm the libsdl guys were wondering why they uses -fPIC at all ...
20:41 < daja77> the assembly code does not compile with gcc-3.4 when it is enabled :\
20:42 < daja77> and yes I know that this approach sucks in a way
20:43 < daja77> well maybe i could get more clue from that guys in the sdl chan
20:48 < daja77> hm they told me to try cvs version, will do so
20:48 < rxr> but we do not want to package even more cvs version
20:48 < rxr> just leave it as it is - we can use the workaround until the next release of libsdl
20:49 < daja77> k.
20:49 < daja77> i haven't seen any significant changes in webcvs even
20:55 < daja77> want to say the affected files in cvs are older than the gcc 3.4 release ^^
21:03 < rxr> maybe makefile / configure ...
21:04 < rxr> but anyway - until the next version it is fine this way
21:05 < daja77> yep i think so, we cannot fix all others people's code
21:11 < rxr> daja77: you have read two days ago that I wrote to you that those c4u people complete canceled the VoIP Projekt w/ us? ...
21:12 < daja77> no actually not
21:15 < rxr> should be in the log from Monday
21:24 < daja77> oh youu wrote to dan kegel
21:24 < blindy> -aay
21:24 < blindy> hi
21:26 < daja77> hi blindy, do you ack my patch for libsdl?
21:27 < blindy> as soon as I read it
21:27 < daja77> ;)
21:29 < daja77> checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config
21:29 < daja77> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.4... no
21:29 < daja77> *** Could not run SDL test program, checking why...
21:29 < daja77> it is there I checked this twice >_<
21:29 < tfing> daja77: look at the config.log
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21:32 < blindy> daja77: does it also work with "outdated" and "obsolete" gccs?
21:37 < daja77> no idea, what is worse that libsdl_image configure fails now due missing MMX linker symbols >_<
21:41 < blindy> daja77: could you do a check if gcc is gcc34 and leave the options alone otherwise?
21:46 < rxr> blindy: if the patch is applied there is only gcc2 and gcc3 in trunk
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21:47 < rxr> and I have thought about this -fPIC is quite some NOP anway - the patch is ok this way
21:47 < rxr> the SDL people must have done s.th. totally unsported to make gcc report errors ....
21:49 < blindy> I see
21:52 < daja77> only thing that drives me nuts is the libsdl_image configure script
21:56 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:56 < LowLander> evening
21:56 < LowLander> man Qt is just "krank"
21:58 < netrunner> oh, /me just plays with qt ;)
21:58 < LowLander> so am i
21:58 < LowLander> but can hardly call it "play"
21:59 < LowLander> their idea of OO is just twisted
21:59 < LowLander> menu_item->addTo( menu_bar )
21:59 < LowLander> what idiot came up with that
22:00 < daja77> #rocklinux is now know as #general-ranting
22:00 < rxr> sf.net broken from europe ?
22:00 < LowLander> yeah :-)
22:00 < daja77> nope
22:00 < LowLander> sf.net works for me
22:01 < netrunner> LowLander: what's wron with that?
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22:02 < LowLander> netrunner, well somehow you will have to call some methode  on the menu_bar annyway to add the item
22:03 < LowLander> so it is hiding a simple  menu_bar->add( menu_item)
22:05 < LowLander> and i hate the C++ extentions
22:05 < LowLander> just use the language, GTKMM does just fine without extentions
22:05 < menomc> /* */ is a good extention :)
22:06  * netrunner finds lot of extension offers in his inbox :)
22:07 < daja77> do they work?
22:07 < menomc> who said you need one?
22:07 < menomc> :)
22:08 < menomc> (daja's comment did sound better)
22:08 < LowLander> hehe
22:09 < LowLander> daja77's comment sounded like he is looking for an extention ;-P
22:10 < daja77> i just wann know if they work ...
22:11 < menomc> mine sounded as i had testes netrunner's extension :\
22:12 < daja77> not really
22:12 < menomc> good to know
22:14 < daja77> nice http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2004-May/061450.html
22:14 < daja77> think I'm gonna hate this crap
22:16 < menomc> i'll love daja and rene when i try to use gcc-3.4 (a couple of weeks) and everything work like a charm :)
22:16 < daja77> ^^
22:17 < daja77> btw the config script is quite fast now
22:19  * netrunner wants a faster laptop.
22:19  * menomc wants a laptop
22:22 < netrunner> menomc: I have a spare one here ... 8086 with 8MHz CPU :)
22:22 < menomc> 8086 laptop??!
22:22 < netrunner> jup.
22:23 < netrunner> one of the first. 2 DD 3,5" drives (no HDD)
22:24 < menomc> if you want to send it i'll gladly accept that 'precious' =)
22:25 < daja77> what do you want to use it for
22:25 < menomc> just ot have it :)
22:26  * rxr hates searching for errors in ploticus scripts and noticing at the end that just the scaling has been wrong ...
22:26 < daja77> :(
22:26 < menomc> hi rxr
22:27  * daja77 hates broken packages cos ppl do not fixed reported errors
22:28 < rxr> I guess you especially hates it when this are non-trival assembler hack bugs ?
22:28 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux
22:28 < MadTux> Good day.
22:28 < blindy> hi MadTux 
22:28 < MadTux> Blindy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:28 < blindy> MadTux: the gems and a statically linked mine for sparc are in your home on scavenger.homeip.net
22:29 < MadTux> blindy: great news.. hollyollie is comming over to my house in 2 weeks.. so u can send me some anime with him.. and I can send u back coffee with him
22:29 < MadTux> blindy: eggcellent.. i will start fetching that stuff when i leave the office
22:29 < blindy> I'll have them sent to him
22:29 < blindy> MadTux: ok, I'll probably be in bed by then :)
22:30 < blindy> actually, I already am :)
22:30 < blindy> WLAN is just great :)
22:30 < MadTux> good.
22:31 < menomc> uhm
22:31 < menomc> MadTux!
22:32 < MadTux> Mr.
22:32 -!- owl [~owl@D7130.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:32 < owl> moin
22:32 < owl> hi MadTux 
22:32 < MadTux> SED! :)
22:32 < owl> :)
22:32 < blindy> moin owly
22:32 < owl> *hug*
22:32 < MadTux> GREAT to see u
22:32 < owl> hi blindy
22:32 < MadTux> *HUG*
22:32 < owl> nope. to see you ;)
22:32 < owl> how are you?
22:33 < daja77> hi owl & MadTux 
22:33 < owl> hi daja77 
22:33  * netrunner going home
22:33 < owl> bye netrunner 
22:34 < daja77> cu netrunner 
22:34 < MadTux> daja77: Wie geht es _Ihnen_ ?
22:34 < daja77> quite good, thx and you?
22:35 < MadTux> I'm GREAT thanks for asking
22:35 < MadTux> owly i'm good. and VERY happy to see u here
22:35 < MadTux> query owl 
22:41 < menomc> MadTux: will you mail me the elks presentation? ;)
22:42 < MadTux> ok.
22:43 < daja77> and the pics fro the conference ^^
22:44 < menomc> yeah
22:44 < MadTux> http://www.hsol.net/~mike/gallery/
22:45 < MadTux> http://hsol.net/~elkin/gallery/ <- much more
22:45 < netrunner> wamos a la plaia, oh ohuohuohoooo
22:46 < daja77> nice
22:46 < MadTux> netrunner: sure ur tesis is almost finshed :)
22:46 < MadTux> netrunner: playa waiting ofr you
22:47 < netrunner> MadTux: hehe, no just have to wait for some friends that need a ride to the city
22:47 < MadTux> hehe
22:47 < netrunner> MadTux: what is the price for the flight there?
22:47 < daja77> >700 euro
22:48 < MadTux> netrunner: Honestly i don't know.. but i guess Oliver can tell you.
22:48 < MadTux> or daja77 yes :)
22:48 < daja77> nice cybux was there
22:49 < MadTux> daja77: u know him? he was one of the members of the organization of the event
22:50 < daja77> well only via irc like you :)
22:50 < MadTux> daja77: well u also know me from ur nightmares..
22:51 < daja77> hehe yeah i forgot
22:56 -!- kasc [~kasc@c-180-208-226.cvx-l.dial.de.ignite.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:57 < owl> KASC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:57 < owl> *jump* hi
22:58 < kasc> wow! nice greeting ;)
23:01 < netrunner> MadTux: what's the nearest airport? then I can check some site
23:01 < MadTux> try SJO Airport.. its 5 mins away from me :)
23:02 < MadTux> its called "Aeropuerto Internacional Juan Santamaria"
23:02 < MadTux> no site of the aiport atmn
23:02 < daja77> guess most flight go to san jose
23:03 < daja77> netrunner: search iberia for direct flights to .cr
23:03 < owl> or - maybe - air berlin
23:04 < daja77> they do that?
23:05 < netrunner> guess not ;)
23:07 < togg> hi all
23:07 < owl> hi togg 
23:07 < togg> does rockplug support linux26 ?
23:08 < SMP> I have it working fine with 2.6 for quite some time
23:08 < togg> any modifications ?
23:08 < SMP> no
23:08 < togg> that sounds good :)
23:09 < daja77> SMP: you were using an older rockplug right?
23:10 < daja77> nice seems that the gnome stuff builds with gcc-3.4
23:11 < SMP> the system I tested recently had an unmodified rockplug
23:11 < daja77> k.
23:15 < daja77> ok not all of the gnome stuff ^^
23:18 < daja77> anyway n8 you all
23:19 < MadTux> gn8 daja77 
23:20 < menomc> n8 daja77 
23:20 < owl> gn8 daja77. sleep well
23:20 < owl> hi menomc , SMP 
23:22 < menomc> hi owlish
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23:25 < owl> owlish? O_o
23:26 < owl> menomcish
23:26 < menomc> :)
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