--- Log opened Fri May 07 00:00:02 2004
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00:29 < esden> argh ... I was able to install rock
00:29 < esden> and it is now running on my main box
00:30 < esden> but I had my problems with rockplug because it is not really documented ... beside the very basic stuff
00:30 < esden> and the file /etc/config/sound file is missing that is listed in the documentation
00:30 < owl> hi esden 
00:30 < esden> hi owl 
00:31 < esden> ping rxr 
00:31 < menomc> hi esdentem
00:31 < esden> hi menomc 
00:32 < valentin> esden:rxr is phoning me..
00:32 < rxr> hi esden 
00:32 < menomc> hi valentin 
00:32 < esden> hi rxr 
00:32 < valentin> hi
00:32 < esden> rxr: read above
00:32 < esden> netrunner: is always telling a half trouth ;)
00:33 < rxr> the sound file is intended to be created ... ;-)
00:33 < rxr> but I thought about make cat /etc/config/sound <<-EOT
00:33 < rxr> SOUND_SYSTEM=ALSA
00:33 < rxr> EOT
00:34 < rxr> the default ...
00:34 < esden> and I also had problems with rocknet ... with netmask ... it is also not documented enough ... the example in stone is telling 192.168.1.10 or so ... but it is not telling how to set a netmask ... I needed a bit to find out that I am supposed to add /24 or so to set a netmask
00:34 < esden> rxr: that would be nice ... and in the headers of that files there should be some more verbosive information
00:35 < rxr> ah - but this are all just tiny usability / documentation changes
00:35 < esden> for example the *.usermap header
00:35 < rxr> ok - I put it on my TODO ...
00:36 < esden> it is telling that the format is just like pcimap ... but wtf is pcimap ... I also needed some time to find out that it is simply the stuff in /usr/lib/<kernelver>/kernel.pcimap
00:36 < rxr> esden: you could have send in such tiny documentation usability fixing stuff
00:36 < esden> and that I have to copy the lines in there
00:36 < rxr> okok ;-)
00:36 < rxr> I need food and continue an article ...
00:36 < rxr> (ROCK article - do document stuff and do PR ...)
00:37  * esden sends a hamburger royal ts to rxr ... I got it for free today at mcdonalds ... because I had to wait for my another quaterpounder 
00:38 < esden> so you can have it ;)
00:38 < rxr> oeh - to bad there are no transporters yet - but thanks
00:38 < rxr> esden: maybe you can spare one at the next rock devel meeting you attend ;-)
00:38 < rxr> *g*
00:38 < esden> hehe
00:38 < esden> sure ;)
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00:40 < owl> hi bluefire 
00:41 < rxr> esden: so you do not leave in favour of gentoo?
00:45 < rxr> mplayer:
00:45 < rxr> Checking for cdparanoia ... yes
00:45 < rxr> aha ?!?!
00:45 < rxr> Checking for Samba support (libsmbclient) ... no
00:46 < rxr> mplayer checks for interesting things ...
00:49 < tfing> rxr: mplayer can play over smb 
00:49 < tfing> mplayer smb://machine/share/file.avi
00:53 < rxr> why does any program need net-fs functionality?
00:53 < rxr> mplayer /mnt/net/windows-whatever ...
00:53 < rxr> or use fuse (userspace FS) stuff ...
00:54 < rxr> adding smb to any ohter userspac process is a bit bloated ...
00:54 < menomc> mount smb stuff doesn't work as well as it should
00:55 < rxr> you mean ad-hoc workstation stuff?
00:55 < menomc> but yes, it is a bit bloated
00:55 < menomc> once i mounted iis-root on a linux to do ftp there
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00:56 < menomc> but it use to self-umount and not remount :\
00:56 < menomc> well.. the whole idea sucked :)
00:57 < rxr> == 05/05/04 00:53:55 =[5]=> Finished building package mplayer.
00:58 < rxr> oh - good it works (gcc-3.4)
00:58 < rxr> so I can do my movie break now - cu
00:59 < esden> rxr: no I don't
00:59 < esden> but to be honest I was thinking about it
00:59 < esden> at least I thought about testing it
01:00 < fake> cool, we're all certified evil: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/06/1325231.shtml?tid=126&tid=95
01:00 < owl> bye rxr 
01:00 < esden> but I have not found boot diskets for installing it so I did not take that step
01:02 < esden> muahaha ... that is nice ... 
01:02 < esden> thanks for the link fake 
01:03 < owl> *g* cool. hi pirats!
01:05 < fake> i almost died of laughing yesterday: http://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html
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01:19 < esden> lol ... nice ... I love anime like informatic tests ;)
01:21 < owl> *hrhr* poor boy who loves anime
01:27  * fake still evaluating SIP softphones
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01:33 < owl> re
01:33 < owl> freenode loves us all
01:34 < fake> just because they don't know us
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01:34 < menomc> why?
01:35 < owl> yeah. if they knew us they would run away and screem out loudly
01:35 < menomc> =)
01:35 < owl> hi jsaw 
01:36 < jsaw> hi all
01:37  * jsaw loves Xinerama with two 21" monitors 
01:38 < fake> owl understands me ;)
01:38 < fake> jsaw: *envies*
01:39 < esden> jsaw: who doesn't ... but even better is Xinerama with _three_ 21" monitors ;)
01:39 < jsaw> (here in the institute everybody replaces his CRTs with LCDs, so I just grabed another one...)
01:39 < jsaw> esden: :)
01:40 < esden> jsaw: the same happens at our institute here ... and I really have no more place to put the crt's I get ... I started to say that I have no space ... ;)
01:41 < esden> but they are still asking if I need any monitor's ;)
01:41 < fake> hm, hannes_ has a while bunch of 21" fixed frequency CRTs, but i'm fed of them
01:41 < owl> if you find a monitor for a DEC alpha... --> here
01:41 < fake> s/while/whole/
01:41 < fake> owl: what type of monitor is that?
01:41 < owl> fake: i dunno. i also don't know what alpha i have... would have to have a look... 
01:42 < esden> ROFL
01:42 < esden> owl: you are amazing!
01:42 < owl> esden: *kick* 
01:42 < esden> :P
01:42 < owl> i have it since a while, but it has no serial port and i have no monitor for it... so... 
01:43 < jsaw> damn, I should go on writing my presentation, only 9.5h left...
01:43 < fake> jsaw: good luck...
01:44 < owl> jsaw: enjoy it *vbeg*
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01:44 < fake> hi erwin
01:45 < LowLander> hmm crappy disconnects
01:45 < owl> moin LowLander 
01:45 < jsaw> thanks, it's just our internal "learn to present" seminar (no bosses allowed ;-)
01:48 < rxr> hi jsaw 
01:49 < rxr> jsaw: I just tried to write an arcticle in a day
01:49 < rxr> not that easy ... to produce s.th. valuable in that time ...
01:52 < fake> "Das Projekt ist genehmigt"
01:52 < fake> cool. rock linux live cd has been accepted
01:52 < owl> congrats
01:53 < fake> i will have to hand in 12 - 16 pages of documentation on 14th of may
01:53 < jsaw> rxr: my boss always tells us: if u need more than 2h to prepare a talk (for sth. like an department internal talk), you're doin something wrong...
01:54 < jsaw> rxr: ... but he doesn't tell us how long he himself would need
01:54 < SMP> fake: Rene counted Rock scripts as > 7k SLOC. that's a lot of choice for you :>
01:54 < owl> .oO(boss.......)
01:54 < jsaw> owl: hehe
01:56 < owl> a: "this programming language is wonderful" - b: "could you please help me?" a:"sorry, i don't know. have never written an app in this programming language" <- "BOSS" --> waaaaah!
01:57 < jsaw> btw, he'd kill me if he'd know I do it with latex...
01:57 < owl> why? O_o
01:58 < fake> SMP: specific for the live cd support... that's the problem :(
01:58 < SMP> fake: would they notice? ;>
01:58 < jsaw> owl: die hard windozer /\/\> die hard linuxer
01:58 < fake> *g*
01:58 < owl> ok O_o
01:59 < owl> oha. ghost-town... @dm.....
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02:00 < owl> hi cchamilt 
02:00 < cchamilt> hi
02:03 < esden> hi cchamilt 
02:03 < cchamilt> hi esden
02:03 < cchamilt> I have been redoing my backup system.
02:04 < cchamilt> Bacula (and almost everything for linux) sucks.
02:04 < esden> hmm ... damn mplayer ... needs years to compile >_< ... and I want to watch that damn doom3 trailer
02:04 < esden> >_<
02:04 < SMP> esden: URL?
02:04 < SMP> hi cchamilt ...
02:04 < cchamilt> Really thinking I should rsync or scp and tar things.
02:04 < cchamilt> hi smp
02:05 < SMP> cchamilt: www.rsnapshot.org ?
02:06 < cchamilt> yeah, I really wanted a cool adminstration layout. But the throughput and lack of error checking/correcting in awlful.
02:06 < esden> SMP: http://www.doom3.com/video/trailer_small.mov
02:06 < cchamilt> in/is
02:06 < SMP> thx
02:06  * SMP using trailer_large.mov :->
02:07 < cchamilt> thanks, smp I might try it.
02:07 < esden> omg ... yes right ;)
02:07 < cchamilt> What do you get throughput-wise for network tape backup?
02:08 < cchamilt> I am getting 1mb/s for 100mb.s switch and 65kb/s openvpn on raw wlan.
02:08 < SMP> cchamilt: Bakula _looked_ like the best thing so far, but I could imagine its shortcomings simply from reading the documentation
02:09 < cchamilt> If a node goes down, it freezes the backup process for it and everything else waiting to use that storage.
02:09 < rxr> SMP: this rsnapshot page is nearly unreadable - who on earth does choose such colors ?!?!?!
02:09 < cchamilt> It reports the error way later, does not try to recover backing up the node, and then just sits there.
02:10 < cchamilt> Spooling is seriously broken, I dont think the guy can code well.  It goes into negative numbers and general cant keep track of the actual spooling process.
02:10 < SMP> rxr: I find it perfectly readable, albeit neither very comfortable nor aesthetically pleasing
02:12 < cchamilt> It hangs the director processes when spooling dies, no recovery.  Without spooling and its throughput the thing shoe-shines my tapes way too much.
02:13 < cchamilt> I am 4 days into initial backup of 122GB and have only gone through 1.5 66GB tapes storing less than 40GB of it.
02:16 < valentin> esden: there is even a trailer_large.mov thoug it does not seem to be linked from the main page
02:17 < esden> valentin: yes ... I realised that too ;)
02:17 < esden> but it is really big ... 40MB ... nice ;)
02:18 < esden> I mean SMP made that clear ;)
02:18 < cchamilt> rxr: what do you think of the rotat fix?
02:18 < valentin> esden: must have overread it
02:27 < owl> <- going to count sheeeeeeps
02:27 < owl> gn8
02:27 < rxr> SMP: maybe it is due to a TFT here ...
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02:28 < rxr> oeh - hi valentin 
02:41 < esden> humm ... very nice trailer ... 
02:42 < valentin> esden: no, too much cutscenes and not much continuos gameplay
02:42 < esden> yes ... but it is better then nothing ...
02:42 < esden> I really look forward to that game ...
02:43 < esden> very nice frustration killer ;)
02:43 < esden> and colourfull ;)
02:43 < valentin> i've seen a video one year ago with about 5 min gameplay of DIII
02:43 < esden> ohh really?
02:43 < esden> where?
02:43 < valentin> the physics are quite impressing
02:43 < valentin> it was an amateur video filmed on a gaming fair
02:44 < esden> oh ok
02:44 < valentin> i have it on one of my harddiscs
02:44 < esden> can you make it avalable somehow?
02:45 < fake> multicast? *g*
02:45 < valentin> i'm just googling - perhabs i find the link. otherwise i have to find the hd
02:46 < esden> fake: we should set up a multicast tv channel for rock ... ;)
02:47 < valentin> hm, there are many hits for doom3 and e3 and video, but thats all trailers
02:47  * fake still investigating SIP
02:48 < esden> rofl "GPS Cell Phone in Soda Can Form"
02:48  * fake gets his gps-mice today
02:53 < fake> i wonder how they got the recievers to work in a can
02:53 < esden> that is a good question
02:54 < esden> other thing ... there is an article about a self ajusting adidas shoe ... I reall have the feeling as if I landed in the film "back to the future 2" or so ;)
02:56 < fake> hehe
02:57 < valentin> esden: think i found part of the video on the net - but its wmf so i can't verify its the same one i've seen
02:57 < valentin> http://www.gamecenter.cz:8888/filecenter4/doom3.zip
02:59 < valentin> full video is said to be 11 min in lenght
02:59 < esden> valentin: thanks
03:00 < valentin> http://www.aixgaming.com/archives/2002_05.html
03:01 < valentin> gg:doom3 e3 shakey cam
03:02 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:03 < rxr> E.S.Raymond is right CUPS stinks
03:03 < rxr> such a sh*t
03:03 < esden> humm?
03:03 < esden> easy rxr easy
03:03 < rxr> I do lpr_cups some.txt and this sh*t f*cking filter does not break long lines
03:03 < rxr> what should I do with such a crippled printout ....
03:04 < esden> make "papierflieger"+
03:04 < esden> ?
03:05 < rxr> even a2ps is more inteligent:
03:05 < rxr> $ a2ps rock-article.txt -o rock-article.ps  
03:05 < rxr> [rock-article.txt (plain): 5 pages on 3 sheets]
03:05 < rxr> [Total: 5 pages on 3 sheets] saved into the file `rock-article.ps'
03:05 < rxr> [96 lines wrapped]
03:05  * rxr should not start to trust pseudo user-friendly software
03:15 < valentin> last one for today (page with very big movies)
03:15 < valentin> http://www.3dgamers.com/games/doom3/
03:23 < valentin> hm, sox is not endianess save
03:27 < valentin> sox sucks
03:30 < rxr> yeah - it is not GSMP - it must suck
03:30 < rxr> oh - wrong channel ;-()
03:30 < rxr> http://gsmp.rocklinux-consulting.de ...
03:31 < valentin> anyone out there sox installed on an x86 ?
03:32 < rxr> maybe here isn't anyone out here with x86 ...
03:32 < valentin> hehe
03:32 < rxr> oh - my ROCK Linux Cluster simulation is still running ...
03:32 < valentin> well, i could boot kerstins athlon
03:32 < rxr> you could use heap
03:32 < valentin> sox not installed
03:32 < valentin> ok, i could do so
03:33 < rxr> any you could log into thesun - but it is big-endian either ...
03:33 < rxr> but 64 bit ;-)
03:33 < valentin> so i guess sox will f*ck*p there, too
03:35 < rxr> hey - maybe it f*ck*p there even more ...
03:36 < rxr> isn't sox cli only? cutting and such?
03:36 < rxr> for what do you need it?
03:36 < rxr> You could create a cli interface to the GSMP framwork within some days - and have an endianness and 64bit aware version ...
03:37 < rxr> hm - xemacs-beta does crash inside xm during app quit:
03:37 < rxr> #12 0x0fbd2a08 in XtDestroyWidget () from /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6
03:37 < valentin> yes it is - gnophone makefile needs it - to convert 2 .wav files into .raw files
03:37  * valentin reading sox code
03:37 < rxr> omg
03:38 < rxr> oh - I hope you do not get sick of it ...
03:38 < rxr> damn it get's harder to keep my eyes open ...
03:38 < esden> ohh my holy jesus ... doom3 is using human readable text files to store _everithing_ beside bitmaps and sound files
03:39 < esden> so starting the game will be like ... "please wait sucking a dvd worth of data to ram"
03:39 < esden> ill ... simply ill
03:40 < valentin> esden: no, this is very cool because it alows you to create addons and stuff
03:40 < esden> yes sure ... but all the development software is integrated in the game binary ... so I really do not understand why should datafiles be in text format
03:40 < esden> that is only bloat
03:41 < valentin> i guess they compress the .txt like they did for quake
03:41 < valentin> and the sript language of quake was compiled into binary, too
03:42 < valentin> script language
03:42 < esden> that is even worse ... so I need a compression coprocessor so that the game starts in a reasonable time ;)
03:42 < esden> yes I know
03:42 < esden> that will be in doom III too
03:42 < esden> but the language will be more powerfull 
03:42 < esden> at least carmac is saying that
03:43 < valentin> yes, and thats cool - it enables you to hack your own game into d3 :)
03:43 < esden> hehe ... but I am sure he will not yet beat our system ... *vbeg*
03:46 < valentin> btw: will doom3 run in wine ? ;)
03:46 < SMP> valentin: the question is - how many years after its release will it ...
03:50 < valentin> as i guessed, on x86 sox works
03:50 < esden> hmm ... i do not find anything about os in the doom faq sites
03:51 < esden> only that it will probably work on xbox ... :(
03:51 < valentin> with the same graphics ?
03:51 < esden> no I do not think so ...
03:52 < rxr> hm - parasym still running ...
03:52 < esden> I really do not think that xbox is anything but performant enough to run the full featured 3d engine
03:53 < esden> carmac says that it will run with all features enabled at 60fps on the newest gfx cards avalable at the moment of the release
03:53 < esden> so xbox will be too old to run the engine for sure
03:54 < rxr> I guess there will be a seperate Linux binary - as there was for most (all?) id games in the recent past ...
03:55 < valentin> but most of those ports appeared years after.
03:55 < esden> yes that is what I think too
03:56 < esden> it is understandable ... it is really hard to get such a software run with all the avalable distros .. or at least with most of them
03:56 < rxr> valentin: I remember differently ...
03:56 < fake> esden: do you have a second?
03:56 < valentin> rxr: doom3 was the only game that was shiped for linux by id software
03:56 < rxr> one problem with D3 might be that OpenGL does not support the pixel shader and such fully
03:57 < valentin> s/doom3/quake3
03:57 < rxr> but - hm - I guess the ATI and NVidia ones export them
03:57 < rxr> valentin: yes - but for the other binaries have been available
03:57 < rxr> JC even once said he is coding under Linux ...
03:57 < esden> fake: sure
03:57 < valentin> but long after the releases
03:58 < rxr> this was w/ the DOS games - where Linux was not that popular
03:58 < valentin> anyway
03:58 < rxr> yeah - anyway
03:58 < valentin> need some sleep now
03:58 < rxr> I send the article as it is now
03:58 < rxr> I can not read clearly anymore ...
03:59 < valentin> .oO
03:59 < fake> esden: do you have a SIP ua?
03:59 < valentin> gnophone still does not compile
03:59 < rxr> I'm up for 20 hours now ...
03:59  * fake can't seem to get sipomatic to work
04:00 < fake> esden: e.g. linphone, kphone, whatever
04:00 < esden> fake: sorry ... no
04:00 < fake> np
04:00 < fake> then i'll try to hurt sipomatic
04:00  * rxr now running the parasym on a x86 2.5 Ghz box - my iBook is still crunching on the 1 one job pass - damn slow
04:00  * valentin -> bed
04:01 < rxr> cu valentin 
04:04 < SMP> fake: hmm, never had problems with sipomatic
04:06 < rxr> oh - cool - now I see a real use for this esoteric gcc inline assembler syntax for the first time
04:06 < rxr> I need to keep up so long more often to have such enlightenments ...
04:06 < rxr> hm - with all those many packages the parasim got really slow
04:10 < fake> SMP: it's not sipomatic's fault, as i just noted. damn 1&1 nameserver is misconfigured
04:11 < fake> can someone tell me why their nameserver insists that fake.rapidnetworks.de doesn't exist?
04:14 < SMP> answer: fake.rapidnetworks.de 3600 CNAME fake.rapidnet.ath.cx
04:14 < SMP>  dnsq a fake.rapidnet.ath.cx ns1.dyndns.org
04:14 < SMP> 1 fake.rapidnet.ath.cx:
04:14 < SMP> 99 bytes, 1+0+1+0 records, response, authoritative, nxdomain
04:15 < SMP> because Dyndns.org claims fake.rapidnet.ath.cx does not exist
04:15 < fake> huh
04:16 < rxr> ack
04:16 < rxr> oh - yeah athlon finished 1 job pass
04:16 < fake> (a shiny light glows up in my head) aaaah
04:16 < rxr> maybe I should rewrite the parasim in C++ ...
04:17 < fake> who the hell set that fake.rapidnet.ath.cx? the 'fake' is useless... hrmpf
04:24 < fake> hm, sipomatic only sends 'Ringing' and then sleeps
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04:31 < esden> damn wmv codec ... it is crashing
04:31 < esden> or even better damn windows programmers that do not know what memory leaks and access violations are >_<
04:33 < esden> ohh ... ok ... sorry ... that was the quicktime codec that failed not wmv
04:33 < esden> >_<
04:33 < rxr> hm - parasim on the 2.5Ghz Athlon is nearly 11 faster compared to my 800Mhz iBook
04:34 < rxr> and the athlon has gcc-3.2.x and the iBook gcc-3.4.0 ... :-(
04:34 < esden> better optimization?
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04:49 < demian> hiho
04:50 < rxr> hi dmian
05:29 < rxr> oh my is it late
05:29 < rxr> or early
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05:30 < demian> hi rxr , nookie_ 
05:46 < rxr> ohje - my humble daylight rythm get outa sync ...
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05:47 < demian> cya
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07:27 < BoS> moin
07:36 < esden> rxr: yours too? ;)
07:36 < esden> wooow ... engage is beautyfull!!!!
07:36 < esden> woow
07:37 < esden> I am overwhelmed
07:37 < esden> it needs work ... but slowly I can live with a intel laptop ;)
10:05 < netrunner> moin
10:07 < daja77> moin
10:12 < netrunner> hi dejay :)
10:12  * netrunner wonders why one does not forbid mothers to read their children good-night stories.
10:12 < netrunner> would help them later to stay awake in lectures.
10:14 < daja77> O_o
10:16 < valentin> moin
10:17 < daja77> moin valentin & netrunner 
10:25 < netrunner> http://decay.franken.de/stories/transmission_error *g*
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11:43 < BoS> re
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11:53 < esden> hi ho everyone
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11:56 < the_one> hi esden
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11:57 < netrunner> juhu, my prog produces windows :)
12:02 < netrunner> haha, and now it goes away :)
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12:55 < owl> moin
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13:18 < rxr> moin
13:18 < daja77> moin rxr 
13:19 < owl> hi rxr , daja77 
13:19 < nzg> moin 
13:19 < owl> hi nzg 
13:21 < daja77> the first kde package is failing :)
13:23 < netrunner> hm, If I do not install my recent p3 build really fast, it will be out of date in no time ;)
13:24 < daja77> for sure
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13:33 < netrunner> damn, this stupid menubar always overlaps my groupbox :(
13:33  * netrunner fighting with qt
13:35 < owl> hi netrunner 
13:35 < owl> and nookie 
13:35 < rxr> Suse warnt in einem Security-Advisory, dass die Live CD der Suse Linux 9.1 Personal Edition Root-Zugang via SSH ohne Passwort erlaubt.
13:36 < rxr> Wow.
13:36 < daja77> yeah got that mail yesterday *rofl*
13:37 < netrunner> hi owl
13:37 < owl> are they always sending warnings, if they produce crap?
13:37 < daja77> best thing is they explain cos this is alive cd they cannot patch it only work around, they could have been so fair to let ppl remaster that crap
13:38 < daja77> owl: yes they do, and normally supplying ptaches
13:38 < daja77> patches even
13:38 < owl> O_o 
13:39 < owl> do they own a QA-team? 
13:40 < daja77> why are you so surprised by that
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13:42 < owl> could someone explain me following thing: 
13:42 < owl> how to work 8 hours + use the train 4 hours, if you're not even able to concentrate yourselfe long enough for reading a book more than half an hour?
13:44 < nzg> to few ritalin
13:44 < nzg> ;-)
13:45 < nzg> if one is willing to concentrate one can, mybe books don't have his priority
13:45 < nzg> s/mybe/maybe
13:46 < owl> ritalin? 
13:46 < owl> normally not, if you have a depression... 
13:47 < nzg> in that case, get the depression away, try to cheer you up
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13:49 < owl> haha. i'm trying. but it gets worse - not better... and those f**** a******* from the hospital gave me the wrong medicamentation... --> doesn't help. and those even more f***** psychiater have their first free date in mid of june... *grmpf*
13:50 < nzg> exposure to sunlight and expierence of nature can help also
13:51 < nzg> a walk through the forest always gets my mind free
13:51 < owl> i will go to sunlight... in about 2 weeks. nature - hmm... horse-back riding 2 - 3 times a week... and riding a bicylce sometimes (also in the forest)
13:51 < nzg> or fix the reason of the depressions
13:52 < owl> *hrhr* life. so - i need a weapon
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13:53 < nzg> take a look at the anarchist cookbook, there are many nice weapons
13:53 < nzg> most of them work
13:54 < nzg> but violence is no solution (sounds like a priest, I know)
13:54 < owl> hmmm. but i don't want to do this, cuz of my boyfriend
13:54 < nzg> to do what?
13:54 < owl> violence? nah - just commiting suicide , but no violence ;p
13:55 < LowLander> and remeber, when violence doesn't help, try it with more violence
13:55 < nzg> flee away of problems instead of solving them
13:55 < owl> nah :p
13:55 < nzg> LowLander: ;-) mostly right
13:55 < owl> yep. but what will you solve? it all happened in the past. nowadays i have just the symptoms
13:56 < nzg> then make your peace with the past, accept what happened and learn from it
13:58 < LowLander> ok time to write some more bills :-)
13:59 < nzg> LowLander: eeh, reminds me of doing my tax-stuff
13:59 < LowLander> i gave my tax stuff to my "steuerberater" already
14:00 < owl> lazy men
14:00 < nzg> not enough money for a "steuerberater" ;-)
14:00 < nzg> why lazy
14:01 < LowLander> as a freelancer i just have to much tax "stuff" to do myself
14:01 < LowLander> rather pay for it than doing it worng
14:02 < nzg> ACK, it's too much, but my last income went on my drivers-license and soon i want a car
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14:03 < nzg> owl: fighting smptoms is no solution at all
14:04 < owl> nzg: hmm. what then? 
14:05 < nzg> option one: forget the reasons -> causes them to live in your subconsciousness and come back when you are in bad mood
14:06 < netrunner> ahuuuu :) http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
14:06 < owl> netrunner: ?!?!?!?!
14:07 < nzg> option two: rethink about the reasons and live your live with your experiences, doesn't take the memory away but can take the symptoms away and requires much energy
14:08 < nzg> netrunner: what a crap ;-)
14:08 < owl> yeah... but i guess option two just works with support of an therapeut.
14:08 < owl> *hrhrhr* nzg - full ack :p
14:08 < nzg> can work without if really wanted
14:09 < owl> hmm. at least i wasn't able to stop depression coming up again time to time, till almost 10 years. 
14:10 < owl> and borderline... hmm. just can stop - sometimes for weeks/month self-injuring
14:11 < nzg> what if you try not to get overmanned by the thrive to injure your self but reflect why you want to do it
14:11  * LowLander checks the channel name again
14:12 < LowLander> hmm still #rocklinux
14:12 < nzg> i mean the only thing a therapist does is giving you guidance on how to solve your problems
14:12 < owl> i want to do it, because it helps me. i don't feel the pressure then... and my depression gets a bit better for some hours... especially after a "nervenzusammenbruch" (and i don't feel something if i hurt myself)
14:13 < owl> hmm. depents on the kind of therpy. e.g. "tiefenpsychologisch" is quite ok for me... it goes much deeper than the usual behavioural therapy
14:14 < nzg> don't you have other ventiles for releasing the pressure
14:15 < owl> nope. i also tried boxing into a sandsack in the hospital - didn't help. riding the bicycle - doesn't help. playing guitar - doesn't help
14:15 < nzg> being together with your boyfriend should help
14:16 < owl> hmmm. in what day?
14:16 < owl> s/day/way
14:16 < nzg> people whom you can trust in generally can help simply by their presence
14:17 < nzg> trust gives you "unterbewustsein" the cance to relax
14:17 < nzg> s/cance/chance
14:17 < owl> hmmm. it helps at least so much that i feel not alone anymore
14:18  * netrunner considers buying an ibook 12"
14:19 < nzg> and since you trust them, speaking with them about your problems can be 10 times as effective as speaking to the psychatist
14:20 < owl> hmm. i can't speak about my problems with my bf or so
14:20 < nzg> why?
14:21 < nzg> normally you should be able to speak especially with them, who else can you trust?
14:22 < owl> hmm. dunno. i'm normally "ueberspielen" everything, if i'm speaking aobut my problems - so that it looks, like i would have no problems... dunno... 
14:22 < nzg> k, there may be the fear that they dismiss you afterwards, but hey wasn't the friendship a farce in that case
14:22 < owl> even at the therpists i'm doin' the sam
14:23 < nzg> not people without problems are strong, people standing to their problems are strong
14:23 < owl> yeah... but - i dunno... it's hard... and i know that he wouldn't dismiss... but... 
14:23 < owl> s/sam/same
14:23 < owl> hmm. depends ;)
14:25 < nzg> by the way, showing yourself as completly integer may make people going on distance
14:25 < owl> integer?
14:27 < nzg> "Integer" eh "eigenständige, geschlossene, problemfreie, unabhängige persönlichkeit"
14:28 < nzg> dont know how to describe it in good english
14:28 < owl> hehe. you mean a person who is schizoid *vbeg* - hmm. depends ;) my bf will surely not go away and the other people - which other people?
14:29 < nzg> maybe parents, friends
14:29 < owl> hmm. friends- n/a (in reality), parents - won't go away
14:30 < nzg> hmm
14:31 < nzg> i will be offline now, since I'm going to a weekend-boat trip with my school, so i should be back about sunday evening
14:31 < nzg> cya
14:31 < owl> oh. enjoy it. have fun. bye *waves*
14:32 < nzg> bye, and try to experience something happy too, thx
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14:55 < menomc> moin
14:58 < rolla> re
14:58 < menomc> re rolla 
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15:02 < rxr> rehi
15:04 < menomc> re rxr
15:05 < rxr> hi menomc 
15:05 < menomc> rxr: if i use a file to set values of a prop of svn, should i preserve it?
15:05 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
15:05 < rxr> preserve the file ?
15:06 < mnemoc> can i delete it after propset?
15:06 < rxr> yes - definetly
15:06 < mnemoc> great :)
15:06 < rxr> the property are then stored in the .svn entries - and when comitted in the server database ...
15:08 < mnemoc> new thunderbird icon is cute :)
15:09 < rxr> URL ?
15:09 < mnemoc> rxr: i just discovered svn status :)
15:10 < mnemoc> http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/releases/
15:12 < rxr> ouh
15:14 < mnemoc> uhm.... wth is strlen defined?
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15:18 < rxr> string.h
15:18 < rxr> man strlen ...
15:18 < mnemoc> it's on bits/string.h but string.h doesn't include it!    wtf! :\
15:18 < mnemoc> this is odd
15:18 < rxr> a ROCK system ?
15:19 < mnemoc> yep
15:19 < rxr> oehm - which version?
15:19 < mnemoc> 2.0-snapshot
15:20 < rxr> hm
15:20  * mnemoc adding #include <bits/string.h> by hand to <string.h>
15:22 < owl> is there somewhere an overview where the ROCKCFG_* variables are explained?
15:22 < owl> s/overview/docu
15:23 < daja77> in the Documentation directory iirc
15:24  * rxr is so dump
15:24 < mnemoc> each config.in has a .hlp file
15:24 < rxr> should have ...
15:24 < mnemoc> rxr: ?
15:24 < daja77> re
15:24 < mnemoc> re daja77! :)
15:24 < daja77> hi mnemoc :)
15:25 < owl> ahh... k. so in scripts instead of Documentation? thx
15:25 < rxr> I extra intended to build a ppc 2.6.5 kernel without preemption
15:25 < rxr> and ended to not save the .config aroudn 4 o'clock last night and now have a preemtion enabled kernel again ...
15:25 < rxr> :-(
15:25 < mnemoc> :)
15:25  * rxr rebuildign again
15:26 < mnemoc> today .config will be better :)
15:26 < daja77> rxr: what article di you write?
15:27 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0
15:27 < rxr> freeX
15:27 < rxr> if all goes well it will be an article series of 2 or hopefully 3 arcticles
15:27 < daja77> nice
15:27 < daja77> paid?
15:27 < rxr> where the article 2 will include a ROCK CD ...
15:27 < daja77> cool
15:28 < daja77> one? minimal target or special sth?
15:28 < rxr> I hope so (regarding paid question)
15:28 < daja77> :)
15:29 < rxr> anyone experience with this firefox thing =
15:29 < rxr> the source is still quite big and seems to include the whole motilla
15:29 < rxr> mozilla
15:29 < rxr> (what is up with my writing today .... - wondering)
15:29 < rxr> does it build quicker than mozilla?
15:29 < mnemoc> rxr: i use it on windows :)
15:29 < rxr> is it possible to link it against a system libgecko.so ?
15:30 < mnemoc> i hope so
15:30 < daja77> rxr: you type motilla quite often ^^
15:32 < mnemoc> 't' is not near 'z' here :)
15:32 < rxr> mnemoc: here, too ;-)
15:32 < mnemoc> :)
15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, string.h was right... i just patched the wrong file :\
15:44 < rxr> ouch
15:48 < mnemoc> aarg... svn ps svn:ignore is not additive :(
15:48 < mnemoc> i'll have to use .svnignore anyway 
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: hm ?
15:49 < mnemoc> svn ps svn:ignore .svnignore .
15:50 < mnemoc> oh, i forgot *.patch files.... svn ps svn:ignore '*.patch' *
15:50 < rxr> what are you doing over there ?
15:51 < mnemoc> but yes... considering it's a property, additive is senseless
15:51 < rxr> you mean you want to accumulate the things you set?
15:52 < rxr> just use svn propget the get the old stuff (into a file) add the new entry - propset it ...
15:52 < mnemoc> ignoring src.* *.patch download and build from one ROCK-tree root
15:52 < mnemoc> oh... that's the way. thanks :)
15:52 < rxr> (the official trunk has svn:ignore properties
15:52 < rxr> too bad they to not propagate thru submaster)
15:52 < rxr> mnemoc: no problem ;-)
15:53 < mnemoc> it could be nice if they propagate ;)
15:56 < rxr> the trunk has svn:ignore :
15:56 < rxr> download
15:56 < rxr> config
15:56 < rxr> src
15:56 < rxr> src.*
15:56 < rxr> build
15:59 < owl> urgs. someone ever tried to flash the bios (from a notebook eg) via vmware? does this work??? not really, or am i wrong?
16:00 < mnemoc> i _hope_ not
16:00 < daja77> O_o you what?
16:00 < tfing> you could flash the virtual bios of the virtual machine maybe :)
16:00 < rxr> owl: this should most probably not work
16:00 < mnemoc> rxr: i have some of my config/ in svn :)
16:00 < rxr> does not
16:01 < owl> juhu. then i have to install windows? !!!!! WAAAAH *scream*
16:01 < rxr> owl: most bioses are flashed via a bootable disk or cd
16:01 < rxr> some Asus flash CDs even use freedos ...
16:01 < mnemoc> asus have a windows tool to update bios :)
16:01 < owl> http://www.asus.it/support/english/techref/winflash/index.aspx
16:01 < rxr> I have not yet encountered a BIOS flash tool for windows - wonder
16:02 < rxr> I bet they can still be flased from dos or similar
16:02 < owl> hmm. at least there are no such tools... :(
16:06 < mnemoc> C question: if "vdomain::vdomain(const pwentry& user)" is this cast ok: domain = new vdomain( (pwentry &) *pw); ?
16:08 < rxr> you are cheating - this is a C++ question ...
16:09 < mnemoc> :)
16:10 < mnemoc> const pwentry* pw  <--- forgot that part
16:11 < mnemoc> i got absolutly confused with that damn & :\
16:11 < mnemoc> please? :(
16:12 < rxr> I do not get you - have you found out - or do you still have a question ?
16:12 < valentin> mnemoc: so what is your question
16:13 < mnemoc> domain = new vdomain(*pw); <--- fail on gcc33
16:13 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
16:13 < valentin> mnemoc: type of domain ?
16:13 < mnemoc> vdomain::vdomain(const pwentry& user) <--- vdomain closed constructor
16:14 < mnemoc> const pwentry* pw <--- declaration of pw
16:14 < mnemoc> i need the right cast :\
16:14 < valentin> *pw should do
16:14 < mnemoc> it doesn't
16:14 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
16:15 < valentin> why unsigned ?
16:15 < valentin> this is strange
16:15 < mnemoc> no idea :\
16:15 < rxr> hm - operator new looks also strange
16:15 < valentin> what is pw ? class/struct ?
16:15 < mnemoc> that's why i want to force the cast
16:16 < rxr> looks like g++ can not find some alocator - not the constructor
16:16 < valentin> what is domain ? is it vdomain*
16:16 < mnemoc> pwentry is struct
16:17 < mnemoc> static vdomain* domain = 0;
16:18 < mnemoc> rxr: alocator?
16:18 < mnemoc> rxr: what should i search?
16:19 < mnemoc> make[2]: Entering directory `/R.src/vmailmgr-0.96.9/authenticate'
16:19 < mnemoc> g++-33 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I../lib    -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W -c authvmailmgr.cc
16:19 < mnemoc> g++-33 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I../lib    -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W -c authvlib.cc
16:19 < mnemoc> gcc-33 -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W  -o authvmailmgr  authvmailmgr.o authvlib.o ../lib/libvmailmgr.a -L../lib/courier-authlib -laut
16:19 < mnemoc> hmod -lcrypt
16:19 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x1b7): In function `set_user(pwentry const*)':
16:19 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
16:19 < mnemoc> followed by other 9 similar ': undefined'
16:20 < valentin> which are ?
16:22 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x2cb): In function `check(mystring, mystring, bool)':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
16:22 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x461): In function `check(mystring, mystring, bool)':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x1ae): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x1b9): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x23d): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x248): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x253): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()':
16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x25e): more undefined references to `operator delete(void*)' follow
16:23 < LowLander> do the linking with g++-33 and not gcc-33
16:23 < valentin> ah :)
16:23 < mnemoc> +oh
16:23 < mnemoc> just that?
16:24 < LowLander> think so
16:24 < mnemoc> .oO( this Makefile is a jungle )o
16:26 < LowLander> aren'T all Makefiles ?
16:26 < mnemoc> yes, but with lot of include this is worse
16:28 < mnemoc> uhm... it is using $(CXX) ... i don't know why it use gcc-33 ..... /me wants to kick the basket
16:29 < mnemoc> CXXLINK = $(CC) $(CXXFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@
16:29 < mnemoc> what is that doing there!! ... ok ... i hope this work now
16:30  * netrunner updating k3b
16:30 < daja77> cool
16:30 < owl> k3b???
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16:37 < LowLander> mnemoc, and does it link now ?
16:38 < mnemoc> fighting automake now :\
16:38 < mnemoc> is aclocal recursive?
16:38 < rxr> someone with experience in soldering SMD ICs here ?
16:40 < mnemoc> LowLander: authenticate/Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found <-- ideas?
16:43 < mnemoc> .oO( i hate auto* )o
16:47 < daja77> mnemoc: yep copy a depcomp from somewhere els into the directory
16:47 < mnemoc> oh
16:48 < mnemoc> ./usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp <--- just copy?
16:49 < daja77> yes
16:49 < daja77> had to do it for another program once, don't ask
16:50 < LowLander> rxr what kind of housing ? (the SMD IC)
16:51 < blindy_> moin
16:51 < owl> hi blindy_ 
16:53 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy
16:54 < mnemoc> moin blindy 
17:02 < owl> lalala. wonderful isdn... *saying hello to every single bit*
17:10 < rxr> SSOP 16pin
17:10 < rxr> ^- LowLander 
17:11 < LowLander> and what are you trying to do ?
17:14 < daja77> rxr: I contacted the kde people about the failing kdeutils package, think we get a fix soon
17:14 < rxr> remove a defect chip - sold the new one
17:14 < rxr> LowLander: but I already found some tips on the net
17:15 < rxr> I only wonder if I should invest in a new soldering iron
17:15 < rxr> LowLander: have you experience with SMD IC soldering?
17:15 < rxr> LowLander: must one use a ungrounded anti static one?
17:15 < LowLander> rxr depends on the IC
17:16 < daja77> <- shopping, cu
17:16 < LowLander> CMOS kind of dislikes static
17:16 < LowLander> but if you just touch the ground pin of the wall socket yer fine
17:17 < LowLander> thats basicaly what those anti-static armbands do too
17:17 < LowLander> for soldering just use a very fine point iron
17:18 < BoS> owl: k3b ist burning frontend fort he k desktop
17:19 < rxr> sure I have a anti-static band - I just wonder what the iron should be
17:19 < rxr> grounded - ungrounded ...
17:19 < rxr> there are a lot of other cmos IC on the board - including PowerPC CPUs ....
17:20 < BoS> rxr: what type of ppc cpu?
17:21 < rxr> embedded 750 ...
17:21 < owl> aaah. k. thx. 
17:21 < owl> @ BoS 
17:21 < rxr> .oO ( "nim eine heißluftpistole und föne die leiterplatte und hau sie dann wenn es schmilzt gegen eine gegenstand dann fliegen die bauteile raus so entlöte ich immer." )
17:21 < BoS> owl:  ok
17:21 < rxr> what a tip
17:21 < BoS> rxr: nice idea
17:23 < rxr> not mine ... - I need this board
17:24 < LowLander> yeah a hot-air soldering station is nice for SMT
17:25 < BoS> rxr:  ah - its a mistake *gg*
17:25 < owl> bye
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17:27 < valentin> rxr: pls do not heissluftpisotle the mpc750 boards !
17:28 < rxr> valentin: I do not plan to - I just quoted very helpful electronic forums ...
17:28 < rxr> boards ...
17:29 < mnemoc> anyone knows python? :(
17:30 < rxr> LowLander: do you think a low-voltage soldering iron is a must?
17:30 < mnemoc> i (vmailmgr) has a 'types.py', any reason why `python -c 'import types'` should not create types.pyc considering it finish successfully?
17:31 < LowLander> rxr hmmm when the tip is grounded it should not mather
17:32 < LowLander> but i really would not start soldering SMD with a "Baumarkt" soldering iron
17:33 < rxr> LowLander: not a Baumarkt one ... the nearly tiniest ERSA model I have for ten years now ...
17:33 < LowLander> that should be fine
17:33 < rxr> but I have not need to solder CMOS nor SMD stuff that often
17:33 < LowLander> those normaly have a grounded tip
17:34 < LowLander> actually i think they have to have a grounded tip from the tüf
17:34 < LowLander> open metal and power don't mix in germany :-)
17:35 < rxr> yes, sure
17:36 < LowLander> i would say just try it
17:37 < rxr> (this is a > 1000 EUR embedded boards ....)
17:37 < LowLander> just make sure you use very little (almost none) tin , sicne when you solder the pins togetter it is a bitch to get them clean again
17:38 < LowLander> rxr well when you don't trust yerself find someone else to do it 
17:38 < rxr> no - I trust myself
17:38 < rxr> I just wanted to be informed - and to know what soldering iron to use
17:38 < rxr> in fact I already places nearly 100 tiny cables on this board to get it function
17:38 < LowLander> and how did you solder those ?
17:39 < rxr> and no - this has not destroyed yet ...
17:39 < rxr> LowLander: this was the IO area - which is plugable - this was just to mention soldering in general
17:40 < rxr> now I only need to decide if I cut the pins of the old IC - or to unsolder them
17:40 < rxr> maybe cutting is easier ...
17:40 < LowLander> ok i have to finish some work and do some shopping before they close
17:41 < rxr> cu LowLander  - thanks for the comments
17:41 < LowLander> becarefull that you don't damage the PCB when cutting
17:41 < LowLander> litze might be better
17:41 < rxr> I think of a a rotation saw thing
17:41 < rxr> (mini kreisaege in einer drehmel ...)
17:42 < rxr> not a paper cutter ... ;-)
17:42 < LowLander> when there is almost solder left heat up the pin and use a steal-wire that you pull from under the leg
17:43 < LowLander> bbl
17:43 < rxr> cu 
17:43  * rxr booting a non-preemptive kernel
17:46 < mnemoc> == 05/07/04 11:46:31 =[5]=> Finished building package vmailmgr.
17:46 < mnemoc> Thanks a lot LowLander, valentin and rxr :)
17:47 < mnemoc> oh, thanks daja too :)
17:50 < rxr> pbbuttonsd suck
17:50 < rxr> valentin: should I write a C++ replacement?
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18:45 < mnemoc> anyone knows where ipxtools can be found?
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18:56 < dsoul> mnemoc ipxutils?
18:59 < mnemoc> :)
18:59 < mnemoc> thanks
19:02 < dsoul> np
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19:09 < daja77> mnemoc: why thanking me?
19:10 < mnemoc> the problem with automake :)
19:10 < daja77> ^^
19:10  * LowLander sends mnemoc the bill ;-P
19:10 < rxr> wow:
19:10 < rxr> protected:
19:10 < rxr> class IDLJob;
19:10 < LowLander> huh:
19:10 < rxr> class IDLJob {
19:10 < rxr> er - damn
19:10 < rxr> public:
19:10 < rxr>         class IDLJob {
19:11 < rxr> first protected  - then public
19:11 < rxr> no wonder g++-3.4 does not like this anymore ...
19:11 < mnemoc> LowLander: if you come to chile we can take a beer ;)
19:11 < mnemoc> gotta go now :)
19:11 < mnemoc> cu
19:11 < LowLander> hehe
19:11 < LowLander> cya
19:11 < daja77> i'd prefer wine
19:11 < daja77> cu
19:11 < LowLander> i am in beer country here
19:12 < daja77> me too, still don't like it anyway
19:12 < LowLander> i bet chile has better things to offer than beer
19:12 < LowLander> daja where you at ?
19:12 < daja77> .de
19:12 < LowLander> yeah but where about
19:13 < daja77> saxony
19:13  * LowLander noticed a big difference in ".de" 
19:13 < daja77> sure there is
19:13 < LowLander> i mean Drsden, Hamburg and München aren'T exactly the same :-)
19:13 < daja77> and utf8 is evil :p
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19:14 < LowLander> :-P
19:14 < LowLander> daja but yer not German 
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19:27 < daja77> LowLander: huh?
19:35 < LowLander> you said you "still didn't like it here" so i thought yer not a German
19:37 < daja77> the beer
19:38 < LowLander> oh i thought the country :-)
19:41 < rxr> some gcc-3.4 compile problems are really ugly
19:41 < rxr> there is so strange code out there ...
19:41 < daja77> libsdl e.g. ^^
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19:42 < MadTux> Good day
19:42 < daja77> hello mike
19:43 < rxr> orbitcpp ...
19:43 < daja77> ack
19:43 < MadTux> Hello daja77 :)
19:43 < MadTux> Rene :)
19:43 < rxr> hi MadTux 
19:43 < daja77> kdeutils ^^
19:44 < rxr> firebird does not compile on PowerPC without optimizations ...
19:44 < rxr> the linker screws up very strangely - but this seems to be a known bug in it ...
19:47 < daja77> ah kdeedu is the next, maybe i include this in that mail right now
19:51 < rxr> me away - cu later
19:53 < LowLander> me still here
19:54 < daja77> fine :)
19:54 < daja77> so where are you from. the north i guess?
19:56 < rolla> re all
19:57 < daja77> hi rolla 
19:57 < MadTux> Welcome Sir. rolla 
19:58 < rolla> hallo Mike
20:09 < nookie> MadTux: !
20:15 < rolla> wow font can get screwed up in firfox
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21:28 < rolla> anyone here
21:30 < daja77> me ...
21:31 < rolla> how is it going?
21:31 < rolla> I am bored here at work and I want to go home :(
21:32 < daja77> yep and just did that today, went shopping before
21:33 < rolla> :)
21:33 < daja77> actually i was pissed at work
21:44 < rolla> :(
21:44 < daja77> but hey i stop working there anyway
21:47 < Lorini_> huhu daja
21:47 < Lorini_> hi rolla
21:47 < daja77> hi LowLander 
21:47 < daja77> grr
21:47 < Lorini_> *g*
21:47 < daja77> hi Lorini_ 
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22:09 < rolla> hallo Lorini_ 
22:10 < daja77> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5f84/
22:11 < rolla> :)
22:14 < rolla> daja77: you just made my day
22:15 < daja77> *gg* you are welcome :)
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23:37 < fake> nabend
23:38 < daja77> hi fake 
23:40  * netrunner back home
23:50 < rxr> rehi
23:50 < daja77> wb all
23:51  * netrunner programming c++ ... a bit drunk ;)
23:51 < daja77> hehe this will lead to compile errors with gcc-3.4 ^^
23:52  * daja77 shocked the kde guys already
23:52 < rxr> hm?
23:52 < netrunner> yeah well it increases the error rate rapidly ;)
23:53 < daja77> rxr: i sent them the errfiles for kdeutils and kdeedu
23:54 < daja77> they defined some illegal stuff, and working on getting this right
23:56  * netrunner wonders how comments would look like between those lines that already cost about 8,5 kEUR (according to sloccount ;)
23:56 < rxr> yeah - we are now listed at:
23:56 < rxr> http://www.ppckernel.org
23:56 < rxr> left side menu
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