--- Log opened Sun May 09 00:00:34 2004
00:07 < LowLander> == 00:06:27 =[5]=> Building base/iproute2 [2.4.7-ahu-20021020 2.1.0-DEV].
00:07 < LowLander> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
00:07 < LowLander> -> Preparing build in src.iproute2.1084053967.28610.784733701
00:07 < LowLander> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/5-iproute2.out
00:07 < LowLander> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-iproute2.out -> 5-iproute2.log
00:07 < LowLander> == 05/09/04 00:06:51 =[5]=> Finished building package iproute2.
00:13 < rxr> ok - thanks
00:14 < rxr> so - firefox build running 
00:28 < mnemoc> re
00:35 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
00:39 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
00:40 < mnemoc> rxr: why bdb_33_ for iproute2?
00:44 < mnemoc> in fact with current bdb.conf bdb41 (which is default, so it's db-185.h is available at usr/icnlude) or bdb33 (which path is on the makefile) are fine
00:47 < rxr> the .cache listed this
00:47 < mnemoc> oh
00:48 < mnemoc> ok :)
00:48 < rxr> so [ -f $root/usr/include/db-185.h] should be better?
00:48 < rxr> mnemoc: bdb4.xyz was also present ...
00:48 < rxr> I have not investigated fully ...
00:49 < mnemoc> well.. i don't know if anyone want's this arpd ;)
00:49 < mnemoc> wants*
00:50 < rxr> what is it doing?
00:50 < rxr> userspace caching?
00:50 < rxr> or rarpd ?
00:50 < mnemoc> good question :) ... i'll need to read the source
00:51 < mnemoc> (usr/include/db_185.h is not currently present if bdb41 is not installed, bdb33,40 and 42 can be installed but default is bdb41 staticly)
00:55 < mnemoc> /arpd/ is daemon collecting gratuitous ARP information, saving
00:55 < mnemoc> it on local disk and feeding it to kernel on demand to avoid
00:55 < mnemoc> redundant broadcasting due to limited size of kernel ARP cache.
00:57 < mnemoc> it seem to be a good thing to have
00:58  * fake struggling
00:59 < fake> if i add a package thar supplies just a kernel module... one small .o/.ko
00:59 < fake> how would i do that?
00:59 < fake> guessing the module install directory is ugly
01:00 < mnemoc> lib/modules/$ver/misc/small.o
01:00 < fake> the kernel version is in $ver?
01:00 < mnemoc> you can grab that from include/linux/version.h
01:01 < fake> $root/lib/modules/..
01:01 < fake> ah, ok
01:02 < mnemoc> that is correct for Build-Target but you can't be sure if Emerge-Pkg
01:04 < mnemoc> if $stagelevel == 9; then Emerging-Pkg and you can use `uname`; else use linux/version.h
01:08 < fake> stage 9 is also used for rebuilds
01:11 < fake> hm, i only get UTS_VERSION there
01:11 < fake> but that's fair enough
01:13 < fake>       lx_kernelrelease="$( echo -e "#include <linux/version.h>\nUTS_RELEASE" \
01:13 < fake>                     > conftest.c &&     \
01:13 < fake>                     gcc -E -I./include conftest.c | tail -1     \
01:13 < fake>                     | cut -d '"' -f 2 && rm -f conftest.c )"
01:13 < fake> thanks, rene *g*
01:14 < fake> but i'm gonna shortcut that
01:17 < mnemoc> i wrote that :'( snif snif snif
01:17 < mnemoc> well... i stole it ;)
01:19 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have some idea of who to solve the issue that some package build their own helpers when rock enters the phase of 'complete-cross-builds'?
01:21 < rxr> fake: mom
01:22 < fake> rxr: i've got it already
01:22 < rxr> . $base/package/base/linux24/kernelversion.sh
01:22 < fake> aaah
01:22 < fake> even better i admit.
01:22 < rxr> $kernelversio
01:22 < rxr> +n
01:22 < rxr> this delivers the default kernel selected
01:23 < rxr> hm - this function (from clifford) is also not perfect I have to admit ...
01:23 < fake> mnemoc: my apologies ;)
01:23  * fake just sed/grepped it from version.h...
01:24 < SMP> < mnemoc> it seem to be a good thing to have
01:24 < SMP> noone needs it
01:25 < SMP> unless you really need it. but then you will know
01:25 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> well.. i don't know if anyone want's this arpd ;)
01:25 < rxr> yes - but it should be build if possible
01:26 < rxr> of - rebuilding firefox w/ a fix applied
01:26 < rxr> s/of/ok/
01:26  * rxr waiting interrested how much the ccache will yield ;-)
01:26 < mnemoc> ccache is a good friend
01:27 < rxr> SMP: has clifford already asked you if you want / have time to implement the download restructuring ?
01:27 < SMP> yes
01:27 < rxr> and - what has been your answer?
01:28 < SMP> my answer isn't so much useful anymore, but I guess I'll have to do it later today
01:29 < rxr> SMP: you once said per xtar patches would be nice, I implemented (if one can use this word for such a tiny change) this in:
01:29 < rxr> 2004050801493618922
01:29 < SMP> are you sure I said that? hmmm
01:29 < mnemoc> "my answer isn't so much useful anymore" <--- what do u mean?
01:30  * rxr guessed he said he would do this until yesterday ;-)
01:30 < SMP> not quite, but ...
01:31 < rxr> oh - coll in a freshly built gkrellm the fonts are normal again
01:31 < rxr> after my gnome24 -> gnome26 update the fonts got really ugly in gkrellm
01:31 < rxr> (strange gnome code ...)
01:31 < fake> wee. cloop module ready ;)
01:32 < rxr> oh - nice ;-)!
01:35 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos 2.1, the a couple of month, when you branch, you will revert what's not wanted for that release or the trunk will not include anything non-2.1 until that?
01:36 < rxr> yes trunk will be worked on normally all the time - and when we have unwanted bits in 2.1 we will just revert them
01:37 < mnemoc> ok
01:38 < mnemoc> and, gcc33 -> gcc3@2.0 or gcc33 -> /dev/null ?
01:38 < rxr> you just mean 2.0-stable ?
01:39 < mnemoc> yep
01:39 < mnemoc> 2.1 will be 3.4, then what will happen to gcc33
01:40 < rxr> in 2.1 it will be removed
01:40 < mnemoc> /dev/null then
01:40 < rxr> in 2.0 it will be maintained - since this is what was branched as 2.0
01:40 < mnemoc> but always as gcc33
01:41 < rxr> yes, core packages should not be removed / changed in 2.0
01:41 < rxr> hm - I do not get so much cache hits for firefox
01:41 < rxr> might be due to patch to nsRegion - might be used quite often ... :-(
01:42 < mnemoc> next time will be faster :p .... if you don't patch it again
01:42 < rxr> :-(
01:43 < mnemoc> ^^
01:43 < rxr> hm - currently the thing compiles thousand idl files using perl :-(
01:44 < rxr> maybe we should add sed, awk and perl caches, too
01:45 < rxr> (hey - that would also speedup ./scripts/Config
01:52 < mnemoc> rxr: how would you cache those?
01:53 < rxr> was just joking ;-)
01:54 < mnemoc> :\
01:54 < SMP> let's turn scripts/ into WebServices, we can then use various advances cacheing techniques that work for these
01:55 < mnemoc> o_O
01:55 < SMP> (does that need a smiley?)
01:55 < rxr> yeah - and you need a browser to configure and build ROCK ;-)
01:56 < SMP> well the browser is the least problem compared to Servlet container or mod_perl ;>
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01:56 < SMP> gah, should really go to bed.
01:57 < mnemoc> =)
01:57  * rxr is off soon, too
01:58 < daja77> re
01:58 < rxr> rehi daja77 
01:58 < daja77> thx rxr
01:58 < daja77> <- drunk
02:01 < mnemoc> daja77!! i have wine now if you like ;)
02:02 < daja77> <- had cai pirina or however you write this
02:03 < mnemoc> that's brazilian ;)
02:03  * rxr could also offer some wine
02:03 < mnemoc> "Caipiriņa" <--- do you get UTF8?
02:03  * tfing havin' a beer
02:03 < daja77> got it
02:03 < daja77> urgs beer
02:04 < fake> looks fine here
02:04 < daja77> yeah it looks yellow :p
02:07 < daja77> mnemoc: anyway i had two of them and i guess that was too much
02:08 < valentin> hi
02:08 < daja77> ho valentin 
02:08 < valentin> someone has a million dollars for me ?
02:08 < valentin> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2397756436&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting
02:08 < mnemoc> a caipiriņa is not consider an strong drink here... but everything in that topic is habit
02:09 < daja77> mnemoc: i usualyy donÄt drink ...
02:09 < mnemoc> i get drunk with the smell of a vodka ;)
02:10 < daja77> hehe you see
02:10 < daja77> vodka is evil stuff
02:12 < mnemoc> _very_ evil to me
02:12 < daja77> vodka in banana juice is even more evil
02:13 < mnemoc> do not give me unproper ideas
02:13 < daja77> hehe hey i git such a drink
02:14 < daja77> got
02:15 < daja77> n8 you all
02:15 < valentin> n8 daja
02:15 < mnemoc> n8 daja77
02:15 < mnemoc> have a good wake up tomorrow 
02:16 < mnemoc> i'll go too
02:16 < mnemoc> cu :)
02:17 < mnemoc> i'll not send more undesired packages today 
02:32 < tfing> wasn't there an agreement to add a quick description of new packages in submaster submitting logs ?
02:33 < rxr> unification RFC do not seem to have such a big impact
02:35  * valentin -> bed
02:35 < rxr> oh - hi valentin
02:35 < rxr> cu - good n8
02:35  * tfing off to bed too
02:35 < tfing> gn everyone
02:38 < rxr> n8 tfing 
03:15 < rxr> ok - the LED display on my RS/6k is is now displaying the CPU load (finally)
03:15 < rxr> so I should notive stalled ROCK builds earlier the next time ...
03:15  * rxr off now, too - n8 all
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03:26  * fake struggling with mkisofs
03:29 < fake> Error: './sbin/rockplug' and './etc/rockplug' have the same Rock Ridge name 'rockplug'.
03:46 < fake> this *really* pissing me off
03:49 < mnemoc> tfing: i didn't know about the agreement you mension, but i can start to add a description of the packages i add
03:50 < mnemoc> fake: livecd target?
03:52 < fake> yes
03:52 < fake> damn mkisofs always puts all files into the same directory
03:53 < fake> *douh*
03:53 < fake> my fault.
03:54 < mnemoc> :p
03:56 < fake> no, it's not me that's stupid here
03:56 < fake> it's mkisofs
03:56 < fake> damn it
03:58 < fake> i just want to add all files in . to an iso
03:59 < fake> yeah, now i got it...
04:15 < mnemoc> find can help you to get the complete list
04:23 < fake> hm, it was just that i tried to do a mkisofs ... *
04:23 < fake> i forgot that it expects a topmost directory that gets stripped off
04:24 < mnemoc> oh :)
04:26 < fake> yeah yeah. too much use of k3b isn't good for cli health ;)
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04:32 < fake> module loading is still b0rken in bootdisk
04:35 < fake> *fixed*
04:36 < fake> it's the module stripping that breaks it!
04:37 < fake> wild guess hit the spot
04:39 < mnemoc> kudos! ;)
04:54 < fake> yeah, and now cloop passes pivot_root. kewl ;)
04:58 < fake> time to get some sleep
04:58 < fake> gn8!
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08:42 < rxr> maoin
10:46 < daja77> moin
10:53 < rxr> moin
10:53  * rxr doing PR at linux-kernel
10:53 < daja77> hehe
10:53 < rxr> see rock-user
10:53 < rxr> (for CC'ed mails)
10:55 < daja77> only compile fixes, nicely said
10:56 < rxr> (well - ok and DevFS forcing ;-)
10:56 < daja77> yeah
10:56 < rxr> the two replies in my inbox are quite positiv
10:58 < daja77> one thing i miss in rock kernels is the automatically switch off the machine feature
10:58 < rxr> the what?
10:58 < daja77> turn off the machine when doin shutdown
10:59 < rxr> hm? Here it does
10:59 < rxr> maybe you should force APM
10:59 < rxr> (oh - maybe this is a generic kernel issue - it might be that I eable ACPI / APM in the desktop config  ...
10:59 < daja77> force that is switched off in kernel config
10:59 < rxr> )
11:00 < daja77> oh they are different ...
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11:14 [ Aard    ] [ dsoul] [ lowy     ] [ praenti] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 
11:14 [ blindy  ] [ esden] [ luckz    ] [ rolla  ] [ tcr    ] 
11:14 [ BoS     ] [ fake ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr    ] [ tfing  ] 
11:14 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ netrunner] [ SMP    ] [ th     ] 
11:14 [ daja77  ] [ jsaw ] [ nookie_  ] [ snyke  ] [ togg   ] 
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11:43 < owl> moin
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12:58 < blindy> fake: pong
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13:30 < lowy> afternoon
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15:42 < nzg> moin
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16:27 < mnemoc> moin
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16:52 < Trilussa> ciao
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16:53 < daja77> O_o
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17:19 < nzg> moin 
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19:28 < rxr> yet another PVR:
19:28 < rxr> http://www.reel-multimedia.com/
19:28 < daja77> hm
19:29 < rxr> just for inc. google rating ...
19:30 < daja77> lol
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19:34 < owl> remoin
19:34 < daja77> hi owl
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19:35 < owl> hi daja77 
19:45 < rxr> *lol* kdirstat:
19:45 < rxr> cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wmissing-prototypes" is valid for C/ObjC
19:45 < rxr>  but not for C++
19:49 < rxr> hm- nice ccache usage increasing:
19:49 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 9.16% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot.
19:51 < BoS> re
19:56 < rxr> hi BoS 
19:56 < BoS> hi rxr 
19:58 < daja77> compiler cache rocks
20:01 < rxr> especially when one compiles combinations of mozilla based browsers
20:58 < fake> hi
20:59 < daja77> hi fake 
21:08 < rxr> hm - libtools yields errors:
21:08 < rxr> *** Warning: Linking the shared library karbon_flattenpathplugin.la against the loadable module
21:08 < rxr> *** libkarbonpart.so is not portable!
21:09 < rxr> I have no idea what they should be about ...
21:11 < daja77> not prtable to what
21:11 < rxr> no ida
21:11 < rxr> idea even
21:11 < rxr> I just ignore it - it is KDE code - not mine ...
21:11 < daja77> crap message
21:11 < rxr> koffice to be precise ...
21:11 < rxr> yes - crappy tool
21:11 < rxr> damn gentoo troll
21:11 < daja77> who
21:12 < fake> ins't that trinity on rtl2?
21:12 < rxr> rock-user
21:12 < rxr> fake: movie started or ended?
21:12 < fake> hm, in the middle i guess
21:12 < fake> something about landing on mars
21:12 < rxr> fake: is it useful to powerup the tv-card board?
21:12 < daja77> gentoo trolls are besides debian trolls that group of ppl i don't like
21:12 < fake> rxr: if you like scifi
21:12 < rxr> ok *klick* surrr
21:13  * rxr needs a DVB-T firewire box for the iBook
21:13 < rxr> damn 4th box sucking electricity ...
21:13 < rxr> hm - I could shut down the U5 ... idle anyway
21:15 < fake> their scout drone is going berserk right now *ggg*
21:15 < rxr> rtl2 or rtl?
21:15 < fake> rtl2
21:16 < fake> oh no
21:16 < fake> rtl
21:16 < rxr> ok
21:16 < daja77> cool mail rxr
21:16 < fake> daja: what do you know about knoppix's boot process?
21:17 < rxr> rtl?
21:17 < fake> *rofl* they have toshiba nokia general motors EVA suits
21:17 < daja77> apart from that it is ugly?
21:17 < rxr> ther is some teenie stuff?
21:17 < rxr> rtl lokos scifi
21:18 < fake> rtl? red planet? 
21:18 < fake> you know, big red ball, rocky,
21:18 < fake> now trinity is on
21:18 < rxr> yes - but you wrote rtl2
21:18 < daja77> she is too old anyway
21:18 < fake> yeah, i corrected that ;P
21:18 < rxr> ah ok
21:19  * fake wants his own trinity
21:19 < rxr> such an old one ? ;-)
21:19 < daja77> i'll be quite fine with just one girl
21:19 < rxr> sure an ISA card in this box ...
21:19 < fake> rxr: old means experienced *g*
21:20 < daja77> :D
21:20 < daja77> fake: you need kernel patches and stuff
21:20 < fake> daja77: i am interested in their miniroot.gz / linuxrc / init source
21:21 < fake> w00t
21:21 < daja77> fake: just open it and have a look :)
21:21 < fake> daja77: if you tell me where to get it?
21:21 < daja77> from the knoppix iso?
21:22 < fake> it's in the syslinux image, how can i extract that?
21:22 < daja77> you mean boot.img?
21:22 < fake> yes
21:22 < daja77> it is a floppy image just loop mount it
21:23 < fake> oh... err.. sure... stupid me
21:25 < fake> ok, i mount the cd, loop-mount the floopy image, then unzip and loop-mount the miniroot... let's hope i don't run out of loop devices ;)
21:25 < daja77> hehe
21:26 < fake> oh boy, they use a static sh in stage 1
21:27 < daja77> i said it is crap ...
21:29 < fake> well, the upside is that they can use their linuxrc for multiple arches without recompilation. but i doubt that is so useful for x86-only knoppix ;)
21:30 < daja77> you'l have to throw out that kudzu crap and replace it with rockplug
21:31 < rxr> oh - my shit fucking - damn was this an ugly Microsoft commercial
21:31 < daja77> huh?
21:31 < rxr> on rtl2
21:31 < rxr> erhm rtl
21:31 < rxr> thunderbird build:
21:31 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 15.83% (454 hits, 2414 misses)
21:32 < rxr> hm - all those mozilla based packages do not honour the prefix
21:32 < rxr> damn crappy srtuff
21:33  * fake didn't watch... *phew*
21:34 < rxr> kids running around in a school and M$ telling how great Microsoft invented super perfect high-tech suftware is fore education and kids and so on
21:36  * daja77 pukes
21:37 < LowLander> rxr had fun with the Gentoo ppl ?
21:38 < rxr> fake: is it already known where those robots come from?
21:42 < fake> rxr: the robot was their navigation system
21:42 < fake> rxr: but it got damaged and switched to 'military' mode or something
21:43 < daja77> LowLander: i wouldn't call this fun
21:43 < rxr> ah
21:45 < fake> rxr: those bugs are the 'great unknown'
21:45 < fake> wee! fireworks!
21:48 < fake> ... and now he burnt all the oxygen ...
21:58 < nzg> fake: all? he finally reached the kosmos-probe
21:58 < LowLander> daja77, whats no fun about it ?
21:58 < LowLander> just do yer thing
21:58 < LowLander> and don'T worry about the others
21:59 < LowLander> its not a race 
21:59 < daja77> they suck, that's plain simple
22:00 < LowLander> some probably do 
22:00 < LowLander> but than thats just human
22:00 < daja77> hey I know that :)
22:01 < fake> nice little kosmonaut icon *g*
22:02 < fake> now the little nice robot sacrifices itself i bet
22:05 < fake> or not
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22:14 < rxr> the rocklinux-consulitng.de sites have 4 times the hits then on ohter days
22:15 < daja77> the kernel ppl?
22:15 < rxr> seems so
22:16 < rxr> checking for whoami... (cached) /usr/bin/whoami
22:16 < rxr> ^- really vital for a mozilla build ...
22:16 < rxr> people check things ...
22:16 < daja77> the default checks are crap
22:17 < daja77> tons of stuff checked and no test performed by the final app
22:17 -!- nookie [~nookie@M299P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
22:18 < rxr> yep - I just never notice a check for whoami
22:18 < daja77> :)
22:34 < fake> rxr: module loading does not work in the bootdisk target, because the modules are stripped in build_stage1.sh
22:37 < rxr> when I coded this it worked
22:38 < rxr> maybe it is a 2.6 only thing ?
22:38 < rxr> does it work when you uncomment --strip-debug --strip-unneeded ?
22:38 < fake> that's possible
22:38 < rxr> could you test
22:38 < fake> rxr: no idea
22:38 < fake> i've got no 2.6 bootdisk ready
22:38 < rxr> I would commit it when you say it work with this and that  option
22:39 < rxr> you use 2.4 ?
22:39 < fake> in the moment, yes
22:39 < rxr> ok
22:39 < fake> i will try to add those options to strip in the next Build-Target run
22:39 < fake> have to fiddle with linuxrc.c first
22:40 < fake> cool, another scifi on kabel1
22:40 < fake> Aliens 2
22:40  * daja77 creating a birthday present
22:40  * fake would be satisfied with his own ripley, too
22:47 < tcr> pro7
22:48 -!- giftnuss [~giftnuss@p5087F382.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:48 < daja77> why?
22:48 < tcr> too lated anyway
22:49 < daja77> heard about, the sasser guy
22:49 < tcr> Was about that kiddy who wrote sasser
22:50 < fake> tcr: thanks for your mail
22:52 < tcr> fake: No problem. Someone has to play the Big Daddy ;)
22:52 < daja77> O_o
22:53 < rxr> tcr: thanks for beeing such a helpful and wise daddy ...
22:54 < tcr> I do my best
22:55 < daja77> this is your best?
22:55  * rxr searching for the caliper to meassure this
22:56  * rxr wonders who needs to do "penis length contest"s
22:56 < tcr> daja77, eh? Don't dare to provoke me unless you want me to mutate from spreading-wisdom Big Daddy to kicking-ass Evil Daddy
22:56 < giftnuss> To daja77: is yudit now in ROCK?
22:57 < daja77> giftnuss: ?
22:58 < fake> rxr burried her in concrete???
22:58 < giftnuss> i 've read on sm-list you have prepared this good piece of sw. 
22:58 < rxr> fake: whom did I burried in concrete=
22:58 < daja77> no
22:58 < daja77> this was tfing iirc
22:59 < fake> yudith *g* 
22:59  * netrunner back from kempten
22:59 < tfing> giftnuss: i did
22:59 < tfing> indeed
22:59 < daja77> :)
22:59  * netrunner was on a party with 13 girls.
22:59 < fake> netrunner: i found what breaks module loading in bootdisk
22:59 < giftnuss> sorry
22:59 < fake> poor boy
22:59  * netrunner *hugs* fake
22:59 < daja77> hehe
22:59 < fake> *scream*
22:59 < netrunner> hehehe
22:59 < netrunner> fake: nothing personal :)
23:00 < SMP> don't use yudit - use mined!
23:01 < tcr> What's the deal with both?
23:02 < SMP> Unicode?
23:02 < tcr> Vim is said to be capable of that, too
23:03 < SMP> vim handles some simple Unicode things
23:04 < tcr> What else do you need?
23:04 < giftnuss> writing bengali
23:04 < giftnuss> chinese
23:04 < tcr> I'd say that's possible with vim :)
23:05 < fake> vim\nibengali<esc>
23:05 < tcr> Don't get me wrong, my point is that those unicode editors aren't Real Editors, I guess
23:05 < daja77> it claims it can handle arab too, but it sucks
23:06 < SMP> tcr: stop guessing
23:06 < daja77> hehe right
23:07 < SMP> I'd say that vi(m) is better for coding - but noone needs advanced Unicode features for coding
23:08 < daja77> you could code java in unicode :>
23:08 < giftnuss> why not tcl
23:08 < tcr> Well, the feature list on that mined website regarding text editing isn't very impressing
23:09 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1
23:09 < daja77> giftnuss: just because
23:10 < tcr> :) Anyway. I'm not doing any writing which needs unicode
23:10 < SMP> you should - text looks so much better with real quotes and dashes
23:10 < tcr> I'm using texmacs for that
23:11 < tcr> I /do/ use texmacs for that
23:11 < tcr> Screwed up tense
23:15 < tcr> Gn8 all
23:15 < rxr> tcr: nice dreams from your ueber-meta-distri
23:16 < owl> ueber-meta-distri? O_o
23:16 < daja77> don't worry
23:17 < owl> hmm. k.
23:18 < giftnuss> yudit compiles only whith a desc file. The best looking Unicode support is in pango.
23:18 < daja77> pango is no editor ...
23:19 < tcr> rxr: Jealous? :)
23:21 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB05A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:21 < rxr> sure - especially on your genius mind
23:22 < SMP> what the hell ... did I miss anything?
23:22 < owl> .oO( tcr and rxr are good friends? O_o )
23:23 < fake> SMP: rock-user
23:23 < rxr> "I beg you to stop participating at this penis length contest, I'm fairly 
23:23 < rxr> sure it's contrary to the intelligence of both of you. Your "discussion" 
23:23 < rxr> (if this peu a peu We-Can-What-You-Can't flamatory can be called 
23:23 < rxr> discussion at all) is practically for void ..."
23:24 < fake> rxr: >Your "discussion" is practically for void< isn't that right??
23:25  * owl shots true
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23:27 < rxr> fake: I did not started this - and if such crap is in my inbox it would be harshly to ignore it 
23:28 < rxr> his mail was even void'er ...
23:29 < fake> rxr: why? do you answer all spam mail, too?
23:30 < rxr> at least I do not classify mails with gentoo in the bits as SPAM ...
23:30 < fake> you should ;)
23:30 < dsoul> :>
23:31 < fake> if i add the --strip-debug blah flags insmod doesn't find the parameter flag symbols anymore
23:31 < fake> will this work if i add -f to insmod?
23:31 < rxr> don't do this
23:31 < rxr> does --strip-unneeded work alone ?
23:32 < fake> i'm now trying -f
23:32 < fake> after that i'll try only srip-unneeded
23:33 < giftnuss> Good night! :)
23:33 < rxr> n8 giftnuss 
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23:33 [ blindy  ] [ esden   ] [ luckz    ] [ nzg    ] [ SMP    ] [ togg    ] 
23:33 [ BoS     ] [ fake    ] [ mistik1  ] [ owl    ] [ snyke  ] [ valentin] 
23:33 [ clifford] [ Freak   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ praenti] [ StefanG] 
23:33 [ daja77  ] [ giftnuss] [ netrunner] [ rolla  ] [ tfing  ] 
23:33 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
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23:34 < fake> -f doesn't do the trick. besides, it taints the kernel...
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23:37 < fake> nope, just --strip-unneeded breaks it, too
23:37 < rxr> ok - so I remove them all
23:37 < fake> wait
23:37 < fake> i try strip-debug
23:37 < fake> alone
23:38 < rxr> oh - I thought you had this ...
23:38  * rxr waiting
23:39 < fake> --strip-debug works fine
23:39 < fake> not sure how much that saves
23:40 < fake> works on 2.6 too, saves about 300 bytes ;)
23:40 < fake> on minix.o/.ko that is
23:42 < rxr> committed into svn
23:43 < fake> thanks ;)
23:43 < fake> next thing would be to configure modules to and include on the install disk
23:44 < fake> so the module loading shell gets useful
23:44 < fake> i really need this badly for my notebook (firewire cdrom)
23:47 < rxr> hm - I mostly get ccache misses
23:48 < fake> hm... how can i solve this: i have to cloop-mount an image from a cdrom to get my rootfs, but still want to do pivot_root
23:48 < fake> what do i set as cdrom mountpoint?
23:49 < fake> mount with MS_MOVE?
23:53 < fake> j0, works
23:56 < rxr> can someone propose an imap server?
23:57 < fake> cyrus?
23:57 < fake> courier imapd
23:58 < owl> <- off. gn8
23:58 < fake> n8 owl!
23:58 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-076-091.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["saving money"]
23:58 < rxr> fake: I can count some myself - I meant propose, since well coded - in productions ...
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