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--- Log opened Mon May 10 00:00:49 2004 00:02 < fake> i use it every day, i have looked through several, i am happy with my choice. 00:02 < fake> courier imapd is from cyrus, iirc 00:03 < fake> :P 00:05 < daja77> well coded rofl 00:06 < fake> i never had to look at the source.. 00:06 < fake> ssl as well as non-ssl 00:07 < daja77> me neither, read a report on dasr oce 00:08 < daja77> once 00:22 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:22 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:47 * fake must be careful not to run 'linuxrc' in his running system now... 01:02 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 10.13% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot. 01:20 < rxr> 126 Patches in submaster - clifford will have fun appling them ... 01:22 < SMP> 126 patches useless to me as none of them fixes my KDE 3.2 madness ... 01:23 < rxr> :-( oh - you could either discuss this at #kde, fill their bugzilla or so ... 01:23 < fake> SMP: what's wrong? 01:24 < SMP> they capture the Windows-key to open the K-menu - without an obvious way to turn this off and use it in _useful_ key combos 01:27 < fake> hm, you could always rewrite the event the windows-key sends to something else with an .xmodmaprc ? 01:28 < fake> i.e. to a 'HELP' key, for example, most keyboards don't have that anyways 01:29 < SMP> I'm stubborn and I don't hack around stupid coders' code like that 01:30 < fake> then i agree with rene, go to #kde an flame a bit ;) 01:30 < SMP> besides, that's not the only thing wrong with the keyboard. layout switching also doesn't work (might be a problem with the way it's installed in Rock) 01:30 * fake testing... 01:31 < fake> works here... 01:31 < SMP> what works? 01:31 < fake> *uargh* uglz german kezmap 01:31 < fake> layout changing? 01:31 < SMP> with the little flag in the kicker bar? 01:31 < fake> jep 01:32 < fake> well, it just calls setxkbmap... 01:32 < SMP> I know 01:32 < fake> which layout are you trying to use? 01:32 < SMP> the problem is, the list of layouts in the control center is just empty 01:32 < fake> maybe it specific 01:33 < fake> oh, ive got loads of them 01:33 < fake> from bengali to vietnamese... 01:33 < SMP> I suspect it's because the path changed (/opt/kde31 -> /opt/kde) 01:33 < fake> mine is /opt/kde32 ?! 01:34 < SMP> the idiots store absolute pathes under $KDEDIR in the rc files 01:34 < SMP> fake: because you didn't tweak $ROCKCFG_KDE_CORE_PREFIX (or whatever it's called) ;) 01:34 < fake> argh! 01:35 < fake> i just screwed up my hyphen! 01:36 < fake> hm ''' there it is again 01:36 < SMP> that's no a hyphen? 01:36 < fake> whatever 01:37 < fake> i wanted to write my ' 01:37 < fake> but that didn't work, obviously 01:38 < fake> how can i delete complete directories (with files in them) in C ? 01:38 < fake> unlink doesn't work 01:38 < SMP> system("/bin/rm -rf bla "); 01:38 < daja77> hehe 01:38 < SMP> (only half a joke) 01:39 < daja77> you could implement it without it ... 01:39 < SMP> of course 01:39 < fake> hm, i already have a recursive directory walker, but do i really need that for such a small thing? 01:40 * fake beginning to think using shell isn't such a bad idea at all 01:40 < SMP> just use system(), it will only hurt the first time you do it 01:41 < SMP> or you can always just copy and paste a BSD rm.c in your source ;> 01:45 < fake> *sniff* why does the first time have to hurt so much? 01:45 < fake> ;) 01:53 < fake> i will have to work around it - i have no /bin/sh 01:54 < SMP> fork()/execl() 01:55 < fake> ah, ok 01:55 < fake> *douh* 01:58 < SMP> it *might* be easier to walk the tree yourself than using fork()/execl() in a clean way, though ... 01:59 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-226.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["need some sleep"] 01:59 < fake> the fork/execlp stuff is used throughout the file anyways 02:03 < LowLander> hey anybody that has experiance with the AVM Fritz!box DSL ? 02:04 < daja77> no only with their isdn stuff 02:04 * LowLander has a absolutly crappy DSL router at the moment and i am going to fix that with a big hamer 02:05 < LowLander> would not even want to sell it on ebay 02:05 < LowLander> piece of shit 02:05 < LowLander> so i am looking for a new one :-) 02:07 < daja77> .oO (6 desktops are not enough) 02:11 < daja77> n8 you all 02:19 < fake> n8 daja! 02:51 < fake> hm... if have 2 kiss shells, both version 0.21 02:52 < fake> one accepts execlp(... "-c" , "rm -rf /lib"), one doesn't... :( 02:56 < fake> must be a dietlibc thing... 02:58 < fake> but when i do it _in_ the shell, it works -_- 03:00 < fake> that's it, i'll implement rm -r myself. bleh. 03:21 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 03:33 < fake> finished ;) 03:41 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF2ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:42 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBEF81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:46 < fake> ha! livecd now boots into non-static sh without chroot and 2nd_stage cloop-mounted from cd 04:28 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD9E4FD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:28 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4FA67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:28 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:35 < fake> where / when is /dev/initctl created? 04:39 < fake> a hm... i see... 04:44 < mnemoc> hi fake 04:52 < fake> hi menmoc! 04:54 < fake> hehe. sysvinit almost working in livecd target... 04:56 < mnemoc> how are you handeling the readonly-ness? 05:04 < fake> like knoppix does 05:04 < fake> i have a ramdisk by using tmpfs 05:04 < fake> i create /ramdisk/var, /ramdisk/home, /ramdisk/tmp 05:05 < fake> then i symlink write-needing dirs to that 05:05 < fake> others are in a cloop-mounted /ROCK/usr, /ROCK/bin... 05:09 < mnemoc> ugly :\ 05:11 < mnemoc> knoppix target :p 05:14 < fake> why ugly? 05:14 * fake open for advices 05:14 * mnemoc can't think anything better right now ;) 05:15 < mnemoc> you have 3 places (/;/ramdisk;/ROCK) but i wounder if it can be done with only two ;) 05:16 < mnemoc> or even one =D 05:16 < fake> it could 05:16 < fake> i could pivot_root into a ramdisk mounted on / 05:17 < fake> after-pivotroot-/ 05:18 < fake> then i'd only need /ROCK 05:18 < fake> but that wouldn't help much 05:18 < mnemoc> i didn't said wrong, less-optimial or soemthing like that... i only said ugly ;) 05:19 < mnemoc> it would be really cool to see the livecd file hierarchy identical to a hd-based one =) 05:25 < fake> it is. almost... only an additional /ROCK and /ramdisk 05:25 < mnemoc> let's wait and see what you create :) 05:25 < fake> i don't want to hide the way it works 05:26 < mnemoc> good point 05:29 < fake> hmmmm.... 05:29 < fake> insmod pcnet32.o failed: can't get realpath for /lib/modules..... 05:30 < mnemoc> because of the symlinked /lib ? 05:31 < fake> yes 05:31 < fake> this isn't nice :( 05:33 < fake> the perror-message is "no space left on device" o_O 05:34 < mnemoc> wtf? 05:36 < fake> hm, on knoppix this works 05:39 < mnemoc> a hacked version of modutils to solve something odd you don't know yet :) 05:44 < mnemoc> i'll go to study... cu :) good luck 05:44 < fake> bye! 05:46 < fake> from the realpath manpage: 05:46 < fake> BUGS 05:46 < fake> Never use this function. It is broken by design 05:48 < fake> hm, insmod is linked again dietlibc 05:53 < fake> ha! 05:53 < fake> dietlibc is to blame ;) 05:55 < fake> it simpy stops resolving when it hits a symlink 05:55 < fake> *simply 06:10 -!- nookie [~nookie@M317P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:11 < fake> oh my god... who should understand that code? *staring* 06:17 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M363P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:21 < fake> but i have to admit it's significantly smaller than glibc's realpath 07:01 < fake> *fixed* 07:08 < blindy> moin fake 07:11 < fake> moin! 07:12 < blindy> fake: you pinged? 07:21 < blindy> anyway, gotta go to work 07:21 < blindy> bye! 07:21 < fake> blindy: still about the booth stuff... 07:48 * fake opening up a beer in 8am 07:48 < blindy> fake: like I said, contact praenti 07:48 < fake> s/in/on/ 07:48 < blindy> beer? GIMMEGIMMEGIMME! 07:48 < fake> blindy: *throws* 07:48 < blindy> *catches* 07:48 < fake> augustiner edelstoff *yummy* 07:49 < blindy> ah, with this I can get through the day :) 07:49 * fake will get to the bed soon 07:49 < blindy> heh 07:49 < blindy> strange sleeping rhythm you have there 07:49 < fake> no, perfectly geek compatible 07:50 < blindy> but not earn-money-by-working-at-$company compatible 07:50 < fake> after a short discussion with my mum about when one should sleep and when not, she told me it is 'usual' to go to bed at around 23:00. so i 'adjusted' my ntp-server ... and it's now 22:51 here. 07:51 < blindy> *lol* 07:51 < fake> i did not find my config file, so i used ntpd.conf... 07:51 < fake> however, being self-employed helps much 07:51 < blindy> sure does :) 07:52 < blindy> but I'm not that lucky 07:52 < blindy> well, at least I have nice machines to work with 07:52 < fake> blindy: 'jeder ist seines glueckes schmied' 07:52 < fake> see ;) 07:52 < blindy> the smallest one being an Octane2 and a Fuel, ranging to Onyx3000 serias and beyond 07:52 < blindy> and HP machines on the other side :) 07:52 < fake> *sabber* 07:53 < fake> nah, forget HP 07:53 < fake> .. if you can get SGI that is! 07:53 < blindy> well, I may not tamper with the HP machines anyway. 07:53 < blindy> Because HP says: You haven't taken our courses so yuo are not capable of using a screwdriver! 07:53 < fake> do they have real (r) original(tm) hp(c) ux on them? 07:54 < blindy> yeah, HP-[JS]UX 11 07:54 * fake once administered a hp/ux 11 N9000-Series 07:54 < blindy> I'm sitting at one right now. Had to port transconnect to HP-UX before I could do anything here :) 07:54 < fake> and i didn't need a course to know using 'sam' is evil 07:55 < blindy> well, if one of the HP machines die, I just take them away from the user, call HP, make them send a screwdriver-manager here and have him take care of the poblem 07:56 < blindy> while I replace the mainboard of a Fuel 07:56 < fake> of course you watch him carefuly, so you once can become a screwdriver-manager for yourself and earn a lot mor $$$$ while being cheaper than he is? 07:56 < fake> oh. 07:57 < blindy> yeah, something like this :) 07:57 < blindy> at least I'm a Audi, so I haven't got to drive a long way to work 07:58 < fake> mkay i'm gonna watch andromeda 4x21 now and then try to get some sleep. i'll call brandy regarding that booth stuff tom... later today... 07:58 < fake> cya! 07:58 < blindy> *g* 07:58 < blindy> good night! 08:10 < BoS> re 08:13 < blindy> moin 08:15 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has quit ["I'd rather be lucky than good"] 08:19 < BoS> moin 08:39 < valentin> moin 08:44 < valentin> who knows Quadrupoltensors ? 09:51 < netrunner> 4-part sensor for the comedian Polt? 10:21 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 10:25 < rxr> hi 10:25 < rxr> hi valentin alanjwylie * 10:25 < alanjwylie> hi rxr 10:26 < alanjwylie> gnome26 seems to have serious problems - loads of packages won't build 10:30 < rxr> lots - here it are only some - if lots fail there might be some tiny build order tweak missing ... 10:37 < alanjwylie> the first few log files from a generic build are at https://www.wylie.me.uk/static/rockerrs/genericP3/?C=M;O=A 10:38 < alanjwylie> full list of stage 5 build failures is 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-hercules.err 5-libgail-gnome.err 5-gswitchit.err 5-vstserver.err 5-nautilus-media.err 5-mgt.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gatos-drm-kernel.err 5-gpdf.err 5-sylpheed.err 5-ladspa-vst.err 5-gucharmap.err 5-ocs.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gatos-km.err 5-at-poke.err 5-sawfish.err 5-regexxer.err 5-rhythmbox.err 5-gnomesword.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gens.err 5-gnome-spell.err 5-nautilus-gtkhtml.err 5-slidentd.err 5-gjiten.err 5-gnome-cups-manager.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-rep-gtk.err 5-metatheme.err 5-gnomeicu.err 5-tetradraw.err 5-mono-debugger.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libbonobomm.err 5-devhelp.err 5-gatos-ati-remote.err 5-gtkam.err 5-subversion-static.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libbonobouimm.err 5-gnome-vfs-sftp.err 5-gedit-plugins.err 5-kismet.err 5-linphone.err 10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libgnomeuimm.err 5-hotapplet.err 5-gst-plugins.err 5-gnome-media.err 5-scribus.err 10:39 < tfing> fix for gtkam is in submaster 10:39 < tfing> same for gjiten 10:40 < rxr> hm - I think even with gcc-3.4 I have not so many errors ... 10:40 < rxr> (or is this gcc-3.4.0?) 10:41 < rxr> hm - ccache seems to be suboptimal 10:41 < rxr> even when I rebuild firefox the 4th time now I sill get far too many cache misses 10:48 < alanjwylie> standard build from a checkout late last week, gcc version 3.2.3 10:49 < SMP> actually that number of failures doesn't surprise me 11:00 < daja77> moin 11:05 < rxr> hi daja77 11:05 < daja77> hi rxr 11:06 < valentin> netrunner: tensor, not sensor 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-147.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:44 < rxr> ccache sucks majorly ! 11:44 < rxr> I compiled the synaptics package two tims in teh same gcc-3.4 target system 11:44 < rxr> 1st: -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 42.86% (21 hits, 28 misses) 11:45 < rxr> 2md: -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 63.89% (23 hits, 13 misses) 11:45 < rxr> 1st [BUILDTIME] 3018 (5) 11:45 < rxr> 2nd [BUILDTIME] 2400 (5) 11:46 < rxr> why the hack do hits + misses are not equal? 11:46 < rxr> and why are there still 13 misses ?!?!? 11:46 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-41.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:46 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 12:04 < tfing> rxr: synaptics in x11/ added to sm 12:11 < rxr> thanks - an ok and svm mv would have been ok as well ;-)O 12:11 < LowLander> morning 12:11 * rxr thinks we should get away from this name repositories they look so unprofessional, one never knows where packet x is in and so on ... 12:12 < tfing> i did the svn mv on my side 12:12 < BoS> rehi 12:13 < LowLander> rxr you mean the personal names in ROCK ? 12:13 < tfing> anyway, i had a version update to make, there was a serious bug in previous version 12:15 < tfing> name repositories would be fine if the maintainer was able to directly commit in his repository ... 12:15 < rxr> I do not think they are fine 12:16 < LowLander> it looks like a "bastler" project 12:16 < tfing> "would be ... if ..." 12:16 < rxr> most business people look rather reluctant when they see this (e.g. on fair or whatever) 12:16 < rxr> it is not worth nothing - it even makes finding packages harder 12:17 < rxr> LowLander: yes - ack 12:17 < tfing> completely true 12:17 < LowLander> things like "base" "X11" etc. are fine 12:17 < daja77> yep category repos would be better 12:17 < LowLander> even "router" etc. for target specific stuff 12:17 < daja77> and that would prevent things like that mostly unmaintained kasc repo e.g. 12:17 < rxr> I'm also to open write access - but we do not need named repositories for this 12:18 < rxr> yes, like base, base-extra, x11, x11-extra, kde, kde-extra, ... 12:18 < daja77> exactly 12:18 < LowLander> or base and base/extra ? 12:19 < daja77> base-extra 12:19 < rxr> is a subdir - that does not match well in the directory layout 12:19 < LowLander> just brainstorming 12:20 < LowLander> good thing you can move things around in svn :-) 12:21 < daja77> yeah 12:23 < SMP> < rxr> most business people look rather reluctant when they see this (e.g. on fair or whatever) 12:23 < SMP> this is not the layer where business people have anything to say 12:23 < SMP> < rxr> it is not worth nothing - it even makes finding packages harder 12:23 < SMP> how so? 12:24 < LowLander> cause how shoudl i knwo package-X is in the rene directory ? 12:24 < SMP> why do you need to know that? 12:24 < LowLander> there is no "connection" between a persons name and a package 12:24 < daja77> grep would find this out for you ... 12:24 < th> you don't even need grep 12:24 < th> cd packages/*/X 12:24 < SMP> cd package/*/packagename 12:24 < LowLander> yeah bla bla :-P 12:25 < SMP> heh 12:25 < th> SMP: hehe 12:25 < SMP> gread minds think alike ;> 12:26 < LowLander> but still i don't think personal names should be in things like that 12:27 < LowLander> it looks very "childish", its like those rappers on MTV that always have to say there name in their songs 12:27 < rxr> SMP: when you show thnigs those names are somewhere, either in build output, config, or when you show them how sorted / clean the packages are 12:27 < th> LowLander: but it makes access-control easier and responsability more transparent 12:27 < rxr> and skilled technicans also roll the eyes 12:27 < rxr> th: it is not used for access control at all 12:28 < SMP> I'm not exactly a fan of the current repository either, but for better reasons 12:28 < rxr> and since my packages are spread in base and x11, too 12:28 < LowLander> th it also kind of makes it "your little project" instead of a community project 12:28 < SMP> but I'm way too tired to explain them now ;> 12:29 < rxr> for access control matching the [M] tag is more accurate and advanced 12:29 < th> rxr: i did not say it would... 12:29 < rxr> th: 12:27 12:29 < LowLander> i must say, my first look at the package dir i thought it was very confusing 12:29 < th> rxr: read it over 12:30 < LowLander> you know it is bad for the "first sight" looks 12:30 < rxr> th: I did 12:31 < th> rxr: i just said it makes it easier... 12:31 < th> rxr: and you are right. [M] is more accurate 12:31 < SMP> there is one great pro about the current scheme: it's easy to disable packages by people who I don't like or who produce junk ;-> 12:31 < rxr> SMP: ;-) 12:31 < LowLander> if ppl really need a personal dir why not add .developers/name/ 12:32 * rxr hoping SMP does not disable rene globally ;-) 12:32 < th> SMP: hey - do you dislike MY tiny repo? 12:32 < SMP> $ grep -c ^o config/desktop/pkgsel 12:32 < SMP> 22 12:33 < SMP> hmm, I don't actually have a repository name in there anymore ;-( 12:33 < daja77> yeah that blacklisting is nice 12:34 < th> SMP: what about package/stefanp/psi? 12:34 < SMP> what about it? 12:35 < th> isn't that in a stefanp-repo? 12:35 < SMP> yes. so? 12:35 < th> so isn't that in conflict with "I don't actually have a repository name in there anymore" 12:35 < SMP> of course I use 'x stefanp' pkgsel 12:36 < th> ahh in your selection... 12:36 < SMP> but I don't pkgsel-o on a repo anymore 12:36 < LowLander> ok time to gert some real work (the kind that brings in money) done, cya 12:37 < rxr> cu LowLander 12:42 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D7DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:49 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C29D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:51 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB9A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-179.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 < nzg> moin 13:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB9A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M471P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 -!- nookie [~nookie@M317P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:19 < rxr> hm 14:19 < rxr> == 10:23:11 =[5]=> Building x11/firefox [0.8 2.1.0-DEV]. 14:19 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 12.64% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot. 14:19 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 34.64% (1318 hits, 2487 misses) 14:19 < rxr> == 05/10/04 14:16:07 =[5]=> Finished building package firefox. 14:19 < rxr> (and no - my iBook is not that slow - concurrent builds running in parallel ...) 14:24 < tfing> rxr: are you sure BUILD_OFFICIAL should be set to 1 ? this is not an official build i think 14:24 < tfing> for the firefox package 14:26 < tfing> although i never build firefox so i don't really know what i am talking about :) 14:28 < rxr> tfing: on the home they say for distribution builds ... it shoudl be set 14:28 < rxr> it mostly changes some installation and update behaviour 14:28 < rxr> we always did it in mozilla anyway ... 14:29 < tfing> ok 14:29 < tfing> forget what i said :) 14:33 < rxr> hm - can't find it anymore 14:33 < rxr> but the build instructions are widely spread over the mozilla page - I read this yesterday or the day before there ... 14:33 < daja77> in short these instructions suck :) 14:35 < rxr> daja77: my plan is to try to avoid bashing other projects here 14:35 < rxr> daja77: so I used the polite long variant 14:35 < daja77> ah a new strategy :) 14:36 < rxr> too bad that www.sxc.hu is so slow 14:40 < BoS> rxr: ist this the latest ppc iso https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-rc2/desktop/drock-2.0.0-rc2+fixes-ppc_cd1.iso ? 14:41 < rxr> I think so (if I would not have accidently optimized my last one for mixed Power / PowerPC which only the 601 can execute we alredady would have an newer one ... 14:41 < rxr> .-( 14:42 < BoS> no this is a imac 2,1 - ok 14:42 < netrunne1> rehuepf 14:42 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 14:43 < netrunner> rxr: I went to the store in the city on saturday. they had an ibook12" with geforce for ~1.7k ... the one on the apple website has radeon and costs 1.3k, is that an older model? 14:44 < rxr> what your 1.7k "iBook" made of aluminium and so a /PowerBook/ ;-) ? 14:45 < netrunner> hm, I only looked for the display size, but I don't think so. 14:46 < netrunner> rxr: but I wouldn't put my had in the fire for that :) 14:46 < rxr> hm - I would need to rethink and look if there have been nvidia iBooks ... 14:46 < rxr> especially at this price it should have been a PowerBook 12" 14:47 < netrunner> rxr: browsing on the apple hp it seems you're right. then they probably had no ibooks in store. 14:47 < rxr> ah - finally 14:47 < rxr> == 05/10/04 14:46:50 =[5]=> Finished building package koffice. 14:48 < netrunner> rxr: does a ibook suffice or are there strong arguments to take a powerbook? 14:48 < rxr> iBooks are white (or wihte tranparent) plastic 14:48 < rxr> netrunner: I find my iBook sufficient 14:48 < rxr> only when I rebuild large parts of ROCK I wish I had a PowerBook 14:49 < netrunner> rxr: that's what I have a dual athlon for :) 14:49 * rxr even wishes more to have a dual-core G5 PowerBook (which to bad do not exist yet) 14:49 < netrunner> hm ... brings to my mind that crossbuild does not work :/ 14:50 < daja77> ack 14:52 < rxr> cross-buld more will work sooner or later 14:52 < rxr> you could use distcc to pass the builds to the athlon box ... 14:53 < rxr> to a cross compiler 14:53 < daja77> distcc is built-in in rock? 14:53 < daja77> i still did not get this fscking hppa cross compiler to work :( 14:56 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D7DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:56 < daja77> Linux Kernel 2.6.6 Released 14:57 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D3A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:58 < netrunner> rxr: do you think this applecare thing is neccessary? (do they brake often? 14:58 < rxr> I would invest in apple-care of cours ethe cheaper academic thing (APCL or what is was) 14:59 < rxr> normally I like the quality - but some had some series flaw (ok - which they exchange without apple care during the next three years) 15:02 < netrunner> 258eur ... 15:07 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:12 < blindy> hi 15:13 < netrunner> rxr: sorry for bothering you with stupid questions about apple ;) 15:21 * blindy wonders what he should do with this SuSE portal account 15:21 < daja77> hack them 15:22 < daja77> ^^ 15:22 < blindy> daja77: well, then I'll possibly get fired... 15:22 < blindy> Got this account from my employer 15:22 < blindy> because we're now some kind of SuSE partner... 15:22 < daja77> j/k 15:23 < daja77> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00104.html ^^ 15:26 < blindy> the IRC-"log"? 15:28 < daja77> this is not a log 15:28 < daja77> this is just written as a log 15:29 < daja77> like this #os chan log where sco was kicked out 15:29 < blindy> yes, I know, that's why --> " 15:29 < daja77> it is quite cool to post it on rh mal 15:29 < daja77> ml 15:30 < blindy> more brave than cool :) 15:30 < blindy> it'q just like joining a distribution IRC-Channel and then shouting that this distribution sucks :) 15:38 * rolla yawns 15:39 < daja77> I follow rxr's wise plan not to rant about other projects here, and drop my fedora rants 15:53 < daja77> strange scripts/CreatpkgUpadtePatch only patched [V] tag but not the related tarball url 16:06 < daja77> nice cdlabelgen now works for dvd boxes too 16:22 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-179.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:36 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8DA58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:39 < mnemoc> moin 16:39 < daja77> hi mnemoc 16:39 < rolla> ah so a german boy is the one who created this worm 16:40 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rolla, blindy 16:40 < daja77> hail, thunder and storm here atm, nice 16:41 < rolla> :) 16:48 * netrunne1 has a jumpy connection today 16:49 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-059.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:49 < nzg> re 16:50 * netrunne1 finally found the solution to his iterator problem 16:54 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D3A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:07 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 17:09 < netrunne1> anybody wise in qt around? 17:26 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 17:29 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-059.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 17:42 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 17:48 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-167.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:58 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 18:10 -!- Lorini__ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB5B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:28 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:33 -!- nookie_ is now known as nookie 18:34 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 < rxr> hi Worf 18:35 < Worf> hi all 18:35 * Worf greets the gang - and especially clifford - in case he listens 18:51 -!- ChristianQt [~christian@p54808FA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:00 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:02 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, th, Worf, StefanG, snyke 19:03 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39B26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: th 19:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rolla 19:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: StefanG 19:08 -!- nookie [~nookie@M471P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:08 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839967.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:09 -!- nookie [~nookie@M471P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:11 -!- ChristianQt [~christian@p54808FA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:11 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB5B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:13 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39B26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:15 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9530026.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:18 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839967.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:21 < daja77> urgs 19:22 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39551.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:27 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9530026.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:37 < mnemoc> *yawn* 19:38 -!- _snyke is now known as snyke 19:44 < rxr> hi mnemoc 19:45 < mnemoc> hi rxr 20:02 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39551.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:06 < mnemoc> rxr: are --delete and --partial compatible on rsync? 20:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB795.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:20 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39A36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39A36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Operation timed out] 20:49 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Operation timed out] 20:50 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:00 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 21:00 -!- Lorini__ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: good quesiton - I'm also only a rsync user ... 21:30 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB795.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:32 -!- Nebukadneza|mac [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-010.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:40 -!- Nebukadneza|mac [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-010.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:07 -!- Frederic is now known as ChristianQt 22:11 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M327P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 -!- nookie [~nookie@M471P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:29 < LowLander> evening 22:51 -!- ChristianQt [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:04 < daja77> https://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ 23:42 < fake> daja77: the website design alone is sw33t 23:42 < fake> oh and good morning 23:42 < daja77> hehe 23:42 < daja77> hi fake :) 23:43 < fake> Mac OS X 10.3: Runs well with some caveats 23:43 < fake> woo 23:44 < LowLander> doesn'T OS/X always run well with some caveats ? :-) 23:44 < valentin> daja:who needs a ppc emulator, everyone is supposed to have a ppc ;) 23:45 < daja77> pah yeah when i got rich --- Log closed Tue May 11 00:00:03 2004