--- Log opened Mon May 10 00:00:49 2004
00:02 < fake> i use it every day, i have looked through several, i am happy with my choice.
00:02 < fake> courier imapd is from cyrus, iirc
00:03 < fake> :P
00:05 < daja77> well coded rofl
00:06 < fake> i never had to look at the source..
00:06 < fake> ssl as well as non-ssl
00:07 < daja77> me neither, read a report on dasr oce
00:08 < daja77> once
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00:47  * fake must be careful not to run 'linuxrc' in his running system now...
01:02 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 10.13% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot.
01:20 < rxr> 126 Patches in submaster - clifford will have fun appling them ...
01:22 < SMP> 126 patches useless to me as none of them fixes my KDE 3.2 madness ...
01:23 < rxr> :-( oh - you could either discuss this at #kde, fill their bugzilla or so ...
01:23 < fake> SMP: what's wrong?
01:24 < SMP> they capture the Windows-key to open the K-menu - without an obvious way to turn this off and use it in _useful_ key combos
01:27 < fake> hm, you could always rewrite the event the windows-key sends to something else with an .xmodmaprc ?
01:28 < fake> i.e. to a 'HELP' key, for example, most keyboards don't have that anyways
01:29 < SMP> I'm stubborn and I don't hack around stupid coders' code like that
01:30 < fake> then i agree with rene, go to #kde an flame a bit ;)
01:30 < SMP> besides, that's not the only thing wrong with the keyboard. layout switching also doesn't work (might be a problem with the way it's installed in Rock)
01:30  * fake testing...
01:31 < fake> works here...
01:31 < SMP> what works?
01:31 < fake> *uargh* uglz german kezmap
01:31 < fake> layout changing?
01:31 < SMP> with the little flag in the kicker bar?
01:31 < fake> jep
01:32 < fake> well, it just calls setxkbmap...
01:32 < SMP> I know
01:32 < fake> which layout are you trying to use?
01:32 < SMP> the problem is, the list of layouts in the control center is just empty
01:32 < fake> maybe it specific
01:33 < fake> oh, ive got loads of them
01:33 < fake> from bengali to vietnamese...
01:33 < SMP> I suspect it's because the path changed (/opt/kde31 -> /opt/kde)
01:33 < fake> mine is /opt/kde32 ?!
01:34 < SMP> the idiots store absolute pathes under $KDEDIR in the rc files
01:34 < SMP> fake: because you didn't tweak $ROCKCFG_KDE_CORE_PREFIX (or whatever it's called) ;)
01:34 < fake> argh!
01:35 < fake> i just screwed up my hyphen!
01:36 < fake> hm ''' there it is again
01:36 < SMP> that's no a hyphen?
01:36 < fake> whatever
01:37 < fake> i wanted to write my '
01:37 < fake> but that didn't work, obviously
01:38 < fake> how can i delete complete directories (with files in them) in C ?
01:38 < fake> unlink doesn't work
01:38 < SMP> system("/bin/rm -rf  bla ");
01:38 < daja77> hehe
01:38 < SMP> (only half a joke)
01:39 < daja77> you could implement it without it ...
01:39 < SMP> of course
01:39 < fake> hm, i already have a recursive directory walker, but do i really need that for such a small thing?
01:40  * fake beginning to think using shell isn't such a bad idea at all
01:40 < SMP> just use system(), it will only hurt the first time you do it
01:41 < SMP> or you can always just copy and paste a BSD rm.c in your source ;>
01:45 < fake> *sniff* why does the first time have to hurt so much?
01:45 < fake> ;)
01:53 < fake> i will have to work around it - i have no /bin/sh
01:54 < SMP> fork()/execl()
01:55 < fake> ah, ok
01:55 < fake> *douh*
01:58 < SMP> it *might* be easier to walk the tree yourself than using fork()/execl() in a clean way, though ...
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01:59 < fake> the fork/execlp stuff is used throughout the file anyways
02:03 < LowLander> hey anybody that has experiance with the AVM Fritz!box DSL ?
02:04 < daja77> no only with their isdn stuff
02:04  * LowLander has a absolutly crappy DSL router at the moment  and i am going to fix that with a big hamer
02:05 < LowLander> would not even want to sell it on ebay
02:05 < LowLander> piece of shit
02:05 < LowLander> so i am looking for a new one :-)
02:07 < daja77> .oO (6 desktops are not enough)
02:11 < daja77> n8 you all
02:19 < fake> n8 daja!
02:51 < fake> hm... if have 2 kiss shells, both version 0.21
02:52 < fake> one accepts execlp(... "-c" , "rm -rf /lib"), one doesn't... :(
02:56 < fake> must be a dietlibc thing...
02:58 < fake> but when i do it _in_ the shell, it works -_-
03:00 < fake> that's it, i'll implement rm -r myself. bleh.
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03:33 < fake> finished ;)
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03:46 < fake> ha! livecd now boots into non-static sh without chroot and 2nd_stage cloop-mounted from cd
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04:35 < fake> where / when is /dev/initctl created?
04:39 < fake> a hm... i see...
04:44 < mnemoc> hi fake
04:52 < fake> hi menmoc!
04:54 < fake> hehe. sysvinit almost working in livecd target...
04:56 < mnemoc> how are you handeling the readonly-ness?
05:04 < fake> like knoppix does
05:04 < fake> i have a ramdisk by using tmpfs
05:04 < fake> i create /ramdisk/var, /ramdisk/home, /ramdisk/tmp
05:05 < fake> then i symlink write-needing dirs to that
05:05 < fake> others are in a cloop-mounted /ROCK/usr, /ROCK/bin...
05:09 < mnemoc> ugly :\
05:11 < mnemoc> knoppix target :p
05:14 < fake> why ugly?
05:14  * fake open for advices
05:14  * mnemoc can't think anything better right now ;)
05:15 < mnemoc> you have 3 places (/;/ramdisk;/ROCK) but i wounder if it can be done with only two ;)
05:16 < mnemoc> or even one =D
05:16 < fake> it could
05:16 < fake> i could pivot_root into a ramdisk mounted on /
05:17 < fake> after-pivotroot-/
05:18 < fake> then i'd only need /ROCK
05:18 < fake> but that wouldn't help much
05:18 < mnemoc> i didn't said wrong, less-optimial or soemthing like that... i only said ugly ;)
05:19 < mnemoc> it would be really cool to see the livecd file hierarchy identical to a hd-based one =)
05:25 < fake> it is. almost... only an additional /ROCK and /ramdisk
05:25 < mnemoc> let's wait and see what you create :)
05:25 < fake> i don't want to hide the way it works
05:26 < mnemoc> good point
05:29 < fake> hmmmm....
05:29 < fake> insmod pcnet32.o failed: can't get realpath for /lib/modules.....
05:30 < mnemoc> because of the symlinked /lib ?
05:31 < fake> yes
05:31 < fake> this isn't nice :(
05:33 < fake> the perror-message is "no space left on device" o_O
05:34 < mnemoc> wtf?
05:36 < fake> hm, on knoppix this works
05:39 < mnemoc> a hacked version of modutils to solve something odd you don't know yet :)
05:44 < mnemoc> i'll go to study... cu :) good luck
05:44 < fake> bye!
05:46 < fake> from the realpath manpage:
05:46 < fake> BUGS
05:46 < fake> Never  use this function. It is broken by design
05:48 < fake> hm, insmod is linked again dietlibc
05:53 < fake> ha!
05:53 < fake> dietlibc is to blame ;)
05:55 < fake> it simpy stops resolving when it hits a symlink
05:55 < fake> *simply
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06:11 < fake> oh my god... who should understand that code? *staring*
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06:21 < fake> but i have to admit it's significantly smaller than glibc's realpath
07:01 < fake> *fixed*
07:08 < blindy> moin fake 
07:11 < fake> moin!
07:12 < blindy> fake: you pinged?
07:21 < blindy> anyway, gotta go to work
07:21 < blindy> bye!
07:21 < fake> blindy: still about the booth stuff...
07:48  * fake opening up a beer in 8am
07:48 < blindy> fake: like I said, contact praenti
07:48 < fake> s/in/on/
07:48 < blindy> beer? GIMMEGIMMEGIMME!
07:48 < fake> blindy: *throws*
07:48 < blindy> *catches*
07:48 < fake> augustiner edelstoff *yummy*
07:49 < blindy> ah, with this I can get through the day :)
07:49  * fake will get to the bed soon
07:49 < blindy> heh
07:49 < blindy> strange sleeping rhythm you have there
07:49 < fake> no, perfectly geek compatible
07:50 < blindy> but not earn-money-by-working-at-$company compatible
07:50 < fake> after a short discussion with my mum about when one should sleep and when not, she told me it is 'usual' to go to bed at around 23:00. so i 'adjusted' my ntp-server ... and it's now 22:51 here.
07:51 < blindy>  *lol*
07:51 < fake> i did not find my config file, so i used ntpd.conf...
07:51 < fake> however, being self-employed helps much
07:51 < blindy> sure does :)
07:52 < blindy> but I'm not that lucky
07:52 < blindy> well, at least I have nice machines to work with
07:52 < fake> blindy: 'jeder ist seines glueckes schmied'
07:52 < fake> see ;)
07:52 < blindy> the smallest one being an Octane2 and a Fuel, ranging to Onyx3000 serias and beyond
07:52 < blindy> and HP machines on the other side :)
07:52 < fake> *sabber*
07:53 < fake> nah, forget HP
07:53 < fake> .. if you can get SGI that is!
07:53 < blindy> well, I may not tamper with the HP machines anyway.
07:53 < blindy> Because HP says: You haven't taken our courses so yuo are not capable of using a screwdriver!
07:53 < fake> do they have real (r) original(tm) hp(c) ux on them?
07:54 < blindy> yeah, HP-[JS]UX 11
07:54  * fake once administered a hp/ux 11 N9000-Series
07:54 < blindy> I'm sitting at one right now. Had to port transconnect to HP-UX before I could do anything here :)
07:54 < fake> and i didn't need a course to know using 'sam' is evil
07:55 < blindy> well, if one of the HP machines die, I just take them away from the user, call HP, make them send a screwdriver-manager here and have him take care of the poblem
07:56 < blindy> while I replace the mainboard of a Fuel
07:56 < fake> of course you watch him carefuly, so you once can become a screwdriver-manager for yourself and earn a lot mor $$$$ while being cheaper than he is?
07:56 < fake> oh.
07:57 < blindy> yeah, something like this :)
07:57 < blindy> at least I'm a Audi, so I haven't got to drive a long way to work
07:58 < fake> mkay i'm gonna watch andromeda 4x21 now and then try to get some sleep. i'll call brandy regarding that booth stuff tom... later today...
07:58 < fake> cya!
07:58 < blindy> *g*
07:58 < blindy> good night!
08:10 < BoS> re
08:13 < blindy> moin
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08:19 < BoS> moin
08:39 < valentin> moin
08:44 < valentin> who knows Quadrupoltensors ?
09:51 < netrunner> 4-part sensor for the comedian Polt?
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10:25 < rxr> hi
10:25 < rxr> hi valentin alanjwylie *
10:25 < alanjwylie> hi rxr
10:26 < alanjwylie> gnome26 seems to have serious problems - loads of packages won't build
10:30 < rxr> lots - here it are only some - if lots fail there might be some tiny build order tweak missing ...
10:37 < alanjwylie> the first few log files from a generic build are at http://www.wylie.me.uk/static/rockerrs/genericP3/?C=M;O=A
10:38 < alanjwylie> full list of stage 5 build failures is
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-hercules.err          5-libgail-gnome.err   5-gswitchit.err         5-vstserver.err    5-nautilus-media.err     5-mgt.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gatos-drm-kernel.err  5-gpdf.err            5-sylpheed.err          5-ladspa-vst.err   5-gucharmap.err          5-ocs.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gatos-km.err          5-at-poke.err         5-sawfish.err           5-regexxer.err     5-rhythmbox.err          5-gnomesword.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-gens.err              5-gnome-spell.err     5-nautilus-gtkhtml.err  5-slidentd.err     5-gjiten.err             5-gnome-cups-manager.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-rep-gtk.err           5-metatheme.err       5-gnomeicu.err          5-tetradraw.err    5-mono-debugger.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libbonobomm.err       5-devhelp.err         5-gatos-ati-remote.err  5-gtkam.err        5-subversion-static.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libbonobouimm.err     5-gnome-vfs-sftp.err  5-gedit-plugins.err     5-kismet.err       5-linphone.err
10:38 < alanjwylie> 5-libgnomeuimm.err      5-hotapplet.err       5-gst-plugins.err       5-gnome-media.err  5-scribus.err
10:39 < tfing> fix for gtkam is in submaster
10:39 < tfing> same for gjiten
10:40 < rxr> hm - I think even with gcc-3.4 I have not so many errors ...
10:40 < rxr> (or is this gcc-3.4.0?)
10:41 < rxr> hm - ccache seems to be suboptimal
10:41 < rxr> even when I rebuild firefox the 4th time now I sill get far too many cache misses
10:48 < alanjwylie> standard build from a checkout late last week, gcc version 3.2.3
10:49 < SMP> actually that number of failures doesn't surprise me
11:00 < daja77> moin
11:05 < rxr> hi daja77 
11:05 < daja77> hi rxr 
11:06 < valentin> netrunner: tensor, not sensor
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11:44 < rxr> ccache sucks majorly !
11:44 < rxr> I compiled the synaptics package two tims in teh same gcc-3.4 target system
11:44 < rxr> 1st: -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 42.86% (21 hits, 28 misses)
11:45 < rxr> 2md: -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 63.89% (23 hits, 13 misses)
11:45 < rxr> 1st [BUILDTIME] 3018 (5)
11:45 < rxr> 2nd [BUILDTIME] 2400 (5)
11:46 < rxr> why the hack do hits + misses are not equal?
11:46 < rxr> and why are there still 13 misses ?!?!?
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12:04 < tfing> rxr: synaptics in x11/ added to sm
12:11 < rxr> thanks - an ok and svm mv would have been ok as well ;-)O
12:11 < LowLander> morning
12:11  * rxr thinks we should get away from this name repositories they look so unprofessional, one never knows where packet x is in and so on ...
12:12 < tfing> i did the svn mv on my side
12:12 < BoS> rehi
12:13 < LowLander> rxr you mean the personal names in ROCK ?
12:13 < tfing> anyway, i had a version update to make, there was a serious bug in previous version
12:15 < tfing> name repositories would be fine if the maintainer was able to directly commit in his repository ...
12:15 < rxr> I do not think they are fine
12:16 < LowLander> it looks like a "bastler" project
12:16 < tfing> "would be ... if ..."
12:16 < rxr> most business people look rather reluctant when they see this (e.g. on fair or whatever)
12:16 < rxr> it is not worth nothing - it even makes finding packages harder
12:17 < rxr> LowLander: yes - ack
12:17 < tfing> completely true
12:17 < LowLander> things like "base"  "X11" etc. are fine
12:17 < daja77> yep category repos would be better
12:17 < LowLander> even "router" etc. for target specific stuff
12:17 < daja77> and that would prevent things like that mostly unmaintained kasc repo e.g.
12:17 < rxr> I'm also to open write access - but we do not need named repositories for this
12:18 < rxr> yes, like base, base-extra, x11, x11-extra, kde, kde-extra, ...
12:18 < daja77> exactly
12:18 < LowLander> or base and base/extra  ?
12:19 < daja77> base-extra
12:19 < rxr> is a subdir - that does not match well in the directory layout
12:19 < LowLander> just brainstorming
12:20 < LowLander> good thing you can move things around in svn :-)
12:21 < daja77> yeah
12:23 < SMP> < rxr> most business people look rather reluctant when they see this (e.g. on fair or whatever)
12:23 < SMP> this is not the layer where business people have anything to say
12:23 < SMP> < rxr> it is not worth nothing - it even makes finding packages harder
12:23 < SMP> how so?
12:24 < LowLander> cause how shoudl i knwo package-X is in the rene directory ?
12:24 < SMP> why do you need to know that?
12:24 < LowLander> there is no "connection" between a persons name and a package
12:24 < daja77> grep would find this out for you ...
12:24 < th> you don't even need grep
12:24 < th> cd packages/*/X
12:24 < SMP> cd package/*/packagename
12:24 < LowLander> yeah bla bla :-P
12:25 < SMP> heh
12:25 < th> SMP: hehe
12:25 < SMP> gread minds think alike ;>
12:26 < LowLander> but still i don't think personal names should be in things like that
12:27 < LowLander> it looks very "childish", its like those rappers on MTV that always have to say there name in their songs
12:27 < rxr> SMP: when you show thnigs those names are somewhere, either in build output, config, or when you show them how sorted / clean the packages are
12:27 < th> LowLander: but it makes access-control easier and responsability more transparent
12:27 < rxr> and skilled technicans also roll the eyes
12:27 < rxr> th: it is not used for access control at all
12:28 < SMP> I'm not exactly a fan of the current repository either, but for better reasons
12:28 < rxr> and since my packages are spread in base and x11, too
12:28 < LowLander> th it also kind of makes it "your little project" instead of a community project
12:28 < SMP> but I'm way too tired to explain them now ;>
12:29 < rxr> for access control matching the [M] tag is more accurate and advanced
12:29 < th> rxr: i did not say it would...
12:29 < rxr> th: 12:27
12:29 < LowLander> i must say, my first look at the package dir i thought it was very confusing
12:29 < th> rxr: read it over
12:30 < LowLander> you know it is bad for the "first sight" looks
12:30 < rxr> th: I did
12:31 < th> rxr: i just said it makes it easier...
12:31 < th> rxr: and you are right. [M] is more accurate
12:31 < SMP> there is one great pro about the current scheme: it's easy to disable packages by people who I don't like or who produce junk ;->
12:31 < rxr> SMP: ;-)
12:31 < LowLander> if ppl really need a personal dir why not add  .developers/name/
12:32  * rxr hoping SMP does not disable rene globally ;-)
12:32 < th> SMP: hey - do you dislike MY tiny repo?
12:32 < SMP> $ grep -c ^o config/desktop/pkgsel
12:32 < SMP> 22
12:33 < SMP> hmm, I don't actually have a repository name in there anymore ;-(
12:33 < daja77> yeah that blacklisting is nice
12:34 < th> SMP: what about package/stefanp/psi?
12:34 < SMP> what about it?
12:35 < th> isn't that in a stefanp-repo?
12:35 < SMP> yes. so?
12:35 < th> so isn't that in conflict with "I don't actually have a repository name in there anymore"
12:35 < SMP> of course I use 'x stefanp' pkgsel
12:36 < th> ahh in your selection...
12:36 < SMP> but I don't pkgsel-o on a repo anymore
12:36 < LowLander> ok time to gert some real work (the kind that brings in money) done, cya
12:37 < rxr> cu LowLander 
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13:30 < nzg> moin 
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14:19 < rxr> hm
14:19 < rxr> == 10:23:11 =[5]=> Building x11/firefox [0.8 2.1.0-DEV].
14:19 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 12.64% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot.
14:19 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 34.64% (1318 hits, 2487 misses)
14:19 < rxr> == 05/10/04 14:16:07 =[5]=> Finished building package firefox.
14:19 < rxr> (and no - my iBook is not that slow - concurrent builds running in parallel ...)
14:24 < tfing> rxr: are you sure BUILD_OFFICIAL should be set to 1 ? this is not an official build i think
14:24 < tfing> for the firefox package
14:26 < tfing> although i never build firefox so i don't really know what i am talking about :)
14:28 < rxr> tfing: on the home they say for distribution builds ... it shoudl be set
14:28 < rxr> it mostly changes some installation and update behaviour
14:28 < rxr> we always did it in mozilla anyway ...
14:29 < tfing> ok
14:29 < tfing> forget what i said :)
14:33 < rxr> hm - can't find it anymore
14:33 < rxr> but the build instructions are widely spread over the mozilla page - I read this yesterday or the day before there ...
14:33 < daja77> in short these instructions suck :)
14:35 < rxr> daja77: my plan is to try to avoid bashing other projects here
14:35 < rxr> daja77: so I used the polite long variant 
14:35 < daja77> ah a new strategy :)
14:36 < rxr> too bad that www.sxc.hu is so slow
14:40 < BoS> rxr: ist this the latest ppc iso http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-rc2/desktop/drock-2.0.0-rc2+fixes-ppc_cd1.iso ?
14:41 < rxr> I think so (if I would not have accidently optimized my last one for mixed Power / PowerPC which only the 601 can execute we alredady would have an newer one ...
14:41 < rxr> .-(
14:42 < BoS> no this is a imac 2,1 - ok
14:42 < netrunne1> rehuepf
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14:43 < netrunner> rxr: I went to the store in the city on saturday. they had an ibook12" with geforce for ~1.7k ... the one on the apple website has radeon and costs 1.3k, is that an older model?
14:44 < rxr> what your 1.7k "iBook" made of aluminium and so a /PowerBook/ ;-) ?
14:45 < netrunner> hm, I only looked for the display size, but I don't think so.
14:46 < netrunner> rxr: but I wouldn't put my had in the fire for that :)
14:46 < rxr> hm - I would need to rethink and look if there have been nvidia iBooks ...
14:46 < rxr> especially at this price it should have been a PowerBook 12"
14:47 < netrunner> rxr: browsing on the apple hp it seems you're right. then they probably had no ibooks in store.
14:47 < rxr> ah - finally
14:47 < rxr> == 05/10/04 14:46:50 =[5]=> Finished building package koffice.
14:48 < netrunner> rxr: does a ibook suffice or are there strong arguments to take a powerbook?
14:48 < rxr> iBooks are white (or wihte tranparent) plastic
14:48 < rxr> netrunner: I find my iBook sufficient
14:48 < rxr> only when I rebuild large parts of ROCK I wish I had a PowerBook
14:49 < netrunner> rxr: that's what I have a dual athlon for :)
14:49  * rxr even wishes more to have a dual-core G5 PowerBook (which to bad do not exist yet)
14:49 < netrunner> hm ... brings to my mind that crossbuild does not work :/
14:50 < daja77> ack
14:52 < rxr> cross-buld more will work sooner or later
14:52 < rxr> you could use distcc to pass the builds to the athlon box ...
14:53 < rxr> to a cross compiler
14:53 < daja77> distcc is built-in in rock? 
14:53 < daja77> i still did not get this fscking hppa cross compiler to work :(
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14:56 < daja77> Linux Kernel 2.6.6 Released
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14:58 < netrunner> rxr: do you think this applecare thing is neccessary? (do they brake often?
14:58 < rxr> I would invest in apple-care of cours ethe cheaper academic thing (APCL or what is was)
14:59 < rxr> normally I like the quality - but some had some series flaw (ok - which they exchange without apple care during the next three years)
15:02 < netrunner> 258eur ...
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15:12 < blindy> hi
15:13 < netrunner> rxr: sorry for bothering you with stupid questions about apple ;)
15:21  * blindy wonders what he should do with this SuSE portal account
15:21 < daja77> hack them
15:22 < daja77> ^^
15:22 < blindy> daja77: well, then I'll possibly get fired...
15:22 < blindy> Got this account from my employer
15:22 < blindy> because we're now some kind of SuSE partner...
15:22 < daja77> j/k
15:23 < daja77> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00104.html ^^
15:26 < blindy> the IRC-"log"?
15:28 < daja77> this is not a log
15:28 < daja77> this is just written as a log
15:29 < daja77> like this #os chan log where sco was kicked out
15:29 < blindy> yes, I know, that's why --> "
15:29 < daja77> it is quite cool to post it on rh mal
15:29 < daja77> ml
15:30 < blindy> more brave than cool :)
15:30 < blindy> it'q just like joining a distribution IRC-Channel and then shouting that this distribution sucks :)
15:38  * rolla yawns
15:39 < daja77> I follow rxr's wise plan not to rant about other projects here, and drop my fedora rants 
15:53 < daja77> strange scripts/CreatpkgUpadtePatch only patched [V] tag but not the related tarball url
16:06 < daja77> nice cdlabelgen now works for dvd boxes too
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16:39 < mnemoc> moin
16:39 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
16:39 < rolla> ah so a german boy is the one who created this worm
16:40 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rolla, blindy 
16:40 < daja77> hail, thunder and storm here atm, nice
16:41 < rolla> :)
16:48  * netrunne1 has a jumpy connection today
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16:49 < nzg> re
16:50  * netrunne1 finally found the solution to his iterator problem
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17:09 < netrunne1> anybody wise in qt around?
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18:35 < rxr> hi Worf 
18:35 < Worf> hi all
18:35  * Worf greets the gang - and especially clifford - in case he listens
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19:21 < daja77> urgs
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19:37 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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19:44 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
19:45 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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20:06 < mnemoc> rxr: are --delete and --partial compatible on rsync?
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21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: good quesiton - I'm also only a rsync user ...
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22:29 < LowLander> evening
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23:04 < daja77> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/
23:42 < fake> daja77: the website design alone is sw33t
23:42 < fake> oh and good morning
23:42 < daja77> hehe
23:42 < daja77> hi fake :)
23:43 < fake> Mac OS X 10.3: Runs well with some caveats
23:43 < fake> woo
23:44 < LowLander> doesn'T OS/X always run well with some caveats ? :-)
23:44 < valentin> daja:who needs a ppc emulator, everyone is supposed to have a ppc ;)
23:45 < daja77> pah yeah when i got rich
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