--- Log opened Tue May 11 00:00:03 2004
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00:00  * LowLander thinks OS/X doesn't run on his PowerPC
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00:13 < fake> LowLander: m68k ?
00:15 < fake> ph34r m4 3v1l m41l
00:15 < fake> sk1llz
00:16 < Frederic> fak0r? *g
00:16 < Frederic> everything okay0r? :)
00:17 < fake> m3 l33t f4k3
00:17 < Frederic> lol
00:17 < fake> ;)
00:17 < Frederic> dass ich sowas noch erleben durfte
00:17 < Frederic> :>
00:17 < Frederic> are you on drugs?
00:18 < fake> no! drugs are bad, they make you mad! drugs are bad, they make you mad!
00:19 < Frederic> :)
00:19 < Frederic> I am on drugs
00:19 < fake> which?
00:19 < Frederic> drug is called Qt
00:19 < Frederic> :)
00:19 < LowLander> fake nope a 48MHz MPC860 with 1MB flash and 8MB SDRAM
00:19 < fake> woo!
00:20 < Frederic> woo?
00:20 < Frederic> :)
00:20 < Frederic> hi LowLander
00:20 < Frederic> has anyone seen madtux or miguel?
00:20 < LowLander> hey Frederic
00:20 < fake> Frederic: Qt is very addictive...
00:21 < Frederic> fake what you mean?
00:21 < LowLander> it is ?
00:21 < LowLander> i got a serious down from Qt
00:21 < Frederic> a serious down? :>
00:21 < Frederic> i don't understand those english expressions :>
00:22 < LowLander> from drugs you get an up , and afterwards you get a down
00:22 < Frederic> LowLander, yes :) 
00:22 < Frederic> but Qt is a drug which has only ups
00:22 < Frederic> :)
00:22 < LowLander> i only had the down part, since i really don't like Qt
00:23 < Frederic> why not LowLander?
00:23 < LowLander> bad object model , poor C++ , terible naming sceme, poor std::* use, non-C++ extentions etc. etc.
00:24 < Frederic> bad object model? why? why poor c++? why terrible naming sceme? 
00:24 < Frederic> examples please :)
00:25 < fake> rxr: *ping*
00:25 < Frederic> LowLander, ? :) 
00:27 < Frederic> hmmmm
00:29  * fake demands updated cache files
00:29 < Frederic> ahha :) 
00:29 < Frederic> whats this? 
00:29 < fake> in every package directory there are at least two files after a reference build
00:30 < Frederic> ahha
00:30 < fake> a .desc and a .cache
00:30 < fake> the .cache saves information that has been determined during the reference build like package size, build time and - most of all - dependencies
00:31 < Frederic> ahha
00:31 < fake> and in the current cache files there are references to packages like 'qt31', 'arts31', which have been renamed long ago to arts / qt
00:32 < Frederic> ahahhha :)
00:32 < Frederic> thanks 
00:32 < fake> they are very practical if you don't trust the automatic dependency resolval ;)
00:32 < LowLander> Frederic, for exampel they have a Qt::Key enum, but the KeyEvent's key() methode returns a unsigned short
00:33 < LowLander> so if you do Qt::Key k = e->key();   you get an error
00:33 < LowLander> you need to cast it first
00:33 < LowLander> thats just plain beginner bad C++
00:33 < Frederic> LowLander, hmh. But when you need this?
00:34 < Frederic> fake, is it possible with rock to keep the system up tp date like with debian?
00:34 < LowLander> when you want to handle some key-press release event
00:34 < Frederic> you mean if a button is pressed? :>
00:34 < LowLander> just one exalpme i bumped into yesterday
00:34 < LowLander> no a key
00:35 < LowLander> liek in KEYboard
00:35 < Frederic> never used it
00:35 < Frederic> ah okay
00:35 < fake> Frederic: yes, there is a 'scripts/Update-System', haven't tested it in a long time though
00:35 < Frederic> fake, hmmmhm
00:35 < Frederic> fake, when I used Rock it didnt work for me...
00:35 < fake> it basically updates the sources via rsync and then compares installed versions to availble versions
00:36 < Frederic> rsync.. mhmh let me google
00:36 < LowLander> Frederic, and i really dislike the  getBlaBla() names i like get_bla_bla() a lot better
00:36 < LowLander> but thats just taste
00:36 < fake> LowLander: get_bla_bla is c naming
00:36 < fake> LowLander: getBlaBla is correct C++/Java naming
00:36 < Frederic> LowLander, hmm most of c++ developers like the first one. i wrote it a long time with _ but now i have changed too
00:37 < Frederic> yeah. getBlaFromBla is C++ style. :) 
00:38 < Frederic> LowLander, Qt is done so clear - okay most of it. It is really fast. Easy to learn. Signals and slots are wonderful. And you can compile it on nearly every plattform...
00:38 < Frederic> gtk is rubbish :) *grrr* :) 
00:38 < LowLander> Qt signal and slots raped C++
00:38 < Frederic> fake, "rsync is an open source utility that provides fast incremental file transfer." ahhhh oki :)
00:38 < LowLander> gtkmm/libsig++ work perfect
00:39 < Frederic> LowLander, why?
00:39 < fake> i'm not into it, but from what i've seen, i'd say gui programming is ugly, no matter which toolkit *g*
00:39 < LowLander> Qt signal slots have poor to no compiltime error checking
00:39 < LowLander> they connect at runtime which is useless in most cases
00:39  * fake uses the HTML toolkit, if he has to gui-code
00:39 < LowLander> hehe
00:40 < LowLander> <--- gtkmm fan
00:40 < LowLander> i really like their use of the C++ language without funny extentions like Qt
00:40 < Frederic> LowLander, hmh okay. but if you have 5 connects you have 5 lines of code where the error could be. with other systems you are not as flexible with signals and slots and you have to write more code.
00:40 < LowLander> Frederic, have you ever looked at gtkmm
00:41 < LowLander> they don't need more code at all
00:41 < Frederic> never had a look at gtkmm :> i only flame around :) 
00:43 < Frederic> LowLander, but i will have a look at it
00:43 < LowLander> hehe
00:43 < LowLander> they did a really nice job
00:44 < Frederic> hmmmhm could be but i am to deep integrated into Qt :>
00:44 < Frederic> will never change :) 
00:44 < LowLander> what Qt did to C++ is nothing else than what Microsoft does to things like HTML
00:44 < LowLander> just use the language as is
00:44 < LowLander> don't created some extention to it
00:45 < Frederic> well the meta object compiler only generates c++ code :> so where is the problem. they dont have changed the compiler.
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00:45 < fourier> hi :)
00:45 < Frederic> fourier, hiiiiiiiii :)
00:46 < Frederic> how are you fourier
00:47 < fourier> i'm fine thanks and you frederic ?
00:47 < Frederic> I am fine too... 
00:47 < fourier> i'm just downloading the minimal binary distribution cd of rocklinux hoping that will install only a basic and very stable system to me to go on configuring it  (i dont have the patience for a linux from scratch)
00:47 < Frederic> have you got rock installed?
00:47 < fourier> and i have been a debian user for too many years
00:48 < Frederic> oh :) I AM a deb. user :>
00:48 < fourier> rotfl... :)
00:48 < Frederic> why rofl :)
00:49 < Frederic> LowLander, still alive? :) 
00:49 < fourier> because you are here and i thought that the ones here only used rocklinux
00:49 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden
00:49 < Frederic> hmmm no no :) I have used rock a few month...
00:49 < Frederic> hi esden
00:49 < fourier> and you didn't like very much i see
00:49 < LowLander> Frederic, yeah still here
00:50 < Frederic> hmmm it was okay. but i need always an up to date kde and an up to date qt... 
00:50 < fake> hi esden!
00:50 < esden> hi all
00:50 < Frederic> rock was to complicated for me
00:50 < fourier> so you use sarge or sid then...
00:50 < Frederic> yeh
00:50 < fourier> they are not always very stable
00:50 < esden> humm ... /me directing his eyes in direction of ewl and co
00:51 < Frederic> fourier, stable enougth.
00:51 < fourier> :)
00:51 < Frederic> my pc is always on. i never turn it of. 
00:51 < Frederic> always stable. :>
00:51 < fake> using debian because it is up-to-date ???
00:51 < fake> that sounds like a joke ;)
00:52 < Frederic> fake, noooooo :) 
00:52 < fake> what is the current kde-version in -stable ?
00:52 < Frederic> kde and qt are hmmm "up to date". 
00:52 < fake> 2.0 ?
00:52 < Frederic> could be. but I dont use unstable
00:52 < Frederic> dont use stable
00:52 < Frederic> :)
00:53 < fake> well, then you don't use a release ;)
00:53 < esden> does anyone know how current is the e17 stuff is in rocklinux?
00:53 < fake> esden: rene should
00:53 < Frederic> kde 3.2.1
00:53 < esden> humm ...
00:53 < Frederic> up to date :>
00:53 < fake> rock has 3.2.2...
00:53 < fake> ;P
00:54  * esden currently using his home brew script for building that stuff in a home subdirectory ...
00:54 < Frederic> fake, yeahhhhhh but i only need 3.2.1  :>
00:54  * fake laughs
00:54 < Frederic> has anyone seen minguel? :(
00:54 < fourier> i didnt.. :P
00:54 < fake> no... but i saw a report about costa rica yesterday
00:54 < Frederic> I wrote him an email weeks ago - got no answer.
00:54 < fourier> lol
00:54 < Frederic> fake, wuh
00:55 < fake> they get 73% of their energy from geothermal sources
00:55 < esden> last week he was around here ...
00:55 < Frederic> uff.
00:55 < Frederic> esden, you know what he is doing atm?
00:55 < esden> fake: but how much energy is it? ;)
00:55 < fourier> is 73%
00:55 < Frederic> yeah how much? :) 
00:55 < Frederic> 1 kw? :) 
00:55 < fourier> 73% is all you need to know
00:56 < esden> Frederic: humm ... he came back from usa to cr ... that is the last thing I know exactly from him ... but I think it is longer ago
00:56 < fake> i bet miguel's serverfarm alone eats more than 1 kw ;)
00:56 < Frederic> fake, lol
00:56 < fourier> 2kw eats my toaster
00:56 < Frederic> esden, thanks for information. i miss him :(
00:56 < fake> 2,5 kw my water cooker
00:56 < fourier> but it hasn't 24h/day uptime
00:57 < fourier> :)
00:57 < Frederic> fourier, lol
00:57 < fake> hey! i have a great new plan for destroying earth
00:57 < Frederic> fake, which one? :) 
00:57 < Frederic> now we will hear an interesting story :) 
00:57 < fourier> we all jump at the same time and the globe spins out of orbit
00:57 < Frederic> fourier, lol
00:57 < fake> like melmark, we just have to switch on all our toasters and microwaves and water cookers at the same time
00:58 < fourier> ..i was sooo close...
00:58 < Frederic> fake, ohhhhhhhhhhhh :)
00:58 < esden> I knew that it is something like that ... fake you are predictable ;)
00:58 < fake> with that much energy released we will become an evil day star
00:58 < esden> .oO(that will hurt)
00:58 < fake> (i know the existance of the evil day star is not confirmed...)
00:59 < Frederic> esden, what you you think about Qt?
00:59 < fake> (but even my doctor says it exits and i should absorb some of it's waves)
00:59 < esden> yuck ... die Qt die ... ;)
00:59 < Frederic> :(
00:59 < esden> Frederic: but to be serious I have not used the api much by myself ... the one thing that is cool about it is that it is c++
01:00 < Frederic> it seems that every hardcore geek dont likes qt
01:00 < esden> that is a very big plus point
01:00 < esden> that it what sux in efl :(
01:00 < esden> it is in C :(
01:00 < fake> Frederic: i guess that's still because of the long-resolved licensing woes
01:00 < esden> fake: you are most likely correct
01:00 < Frederic> fake, well Trolltech is a company.
01:01 < esden> but I think that if I would like to write a serious graphical application I would choose Qt
01:01 < Frederic> esden, good boy :) wanna get a cake?
01:01  * fake too
01:01 < fake> esden: /usr/lib/libbz2.a(bzlib.o)(.note+0x10): undefined reference to `__you_tried_to_link_a_dietlibc_object_against_glibc'
01:01 < fake> *rofl*
01:01 < fake> i love this
01:02 < esden> muahaha very nice
01:02 < fake> esden: want to crack a really hard nut?
01:02 < fake> esden: dietlibc/libshell/realpath.c
01:02 < fake> realpath(pathwitksymlinks,realpathreturned)
01:02 < esden> no fake ... I prefere soft nut's ... just like mine became in the last months ;) 
01:03 < fake> it's b0rken, i alreay mailed fefe and he confirmed it
01:03 < esden> lol ... he confirmed that ... very nice of him
01:03 < fake> but the code is too much for me to handle
01:03 < esden> will, or has he, fixed that?
01:03 < fake> he wrote he 'should' implement that again
01:03 < esden> ok fefe is a bad boy ;)
01:03 < fake> didn't sound like it will be ready soon
01:03 < Frederic> wuhuu I get every minute a new spam mail :((( 
01:04 < Frederic> terrible
01:04 < fourier> do you think that rocklinux is hard enough (what a beautiful joke i've made) to be used on a heavy load server?
01:04 < esden> fake: ohh god ... I think the code in there is not really a nice task to do
01:04 < fake> esden: *nod* *nod*
01:05 < fake> esden: the glibc code is about 3 times longer
01:05 < esden> fake: was it implemented earlier and removed? or has this function never been there?
01:05 < fake> esden: what you see is the 3rd implementation
01:05 < esden> argl ... ok
01:05 < fake> the bug is that it stops resolving as soon as it hits a symlink
01:05 < esden> and it does not work? if I understand you correctly
01:05 < esden> ROFL
01:05 < fake> as an example
01:06 < esden> very reliable code ;)
01:06 < esden> and have you tried to debug it?
01:06 < fake> glibc realpath() /usr/src/linux/include returns /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/include
01:06 < fake> but dietlibc returns /usr/src/linux
01:06 < esden> bleah ... bad code bad code ... *bash* *bash*
01:07 < fake> it's evil becaus /lib is a symlink in the livecd target
01:07 < Frederic> bash is bad code? :)
01:07 < esden> no I am only bashing the code ;)
01:07 < Frederic> oh I see :)
01:07 < esden> or better spanking it ;)
01:07 < esden> on the neck
01:07 < esden> humm ... 
01:07  * esden getting dietlibc from cvs
01:07 < esden> *sigh*
01:08 < fake> esden: no, i did not debug it yet, it was very early yesterday
01:09 < esden> will you try to debug it?
01:09 < Frederic> LowLander, I have asek bjane stroustrup - he doesnt like the moc system too :)
01:09 < fake> i can, if you don't want to
01:09 < fake> i though you might like to ;)
01:11 < esden> I take a short look ...
01:11 < esden> If it is my lucky day then I may fix it fast *muahaha*
01:12 < fake> esden: wait a second
01:12 < fake> esden: there has been a change today
01:12 < esden> o_O?
01:13  * Frederic goes sleep0rn
01:13 < Frederic> night all
01:13 < fourier> sleep well frederic 
01:14 < Frederic> thanks :) see you tomorrow again :) 
01:14 < fourier> yes.. it can happen :)
01:14 < Frederic> it will happen fourier - I feel it :)
01:15 < fake> yeag
01:15 < fake> esden: it's fixed
01:15 < fake> esden: i love fefe *g*
01:16 < esden> humm ... ok
01:16 < esden> then I can stop ;)
01:16 < esden> good
01:16  * esden closing terminal with dietlibc debug environment and continuing looking at efl stuff ;)
01:19 < esden> argh ... something is wrong with libpng :(
01:20 < esden> humm
01:20 < esden>   There is no "configure" script for Libpng-1.2.5.  Instead, please
01:20 < esden>   copy the appropriate makefile for your system from the "scripts"
01:20 < esden>   directory.  Read the INSTALL file for more details.
01:20 < esden> is it fixed now?
01:20 < esden> I have the stable sources here ...
01:20 < esden> the `stable` sources of rock
01:21 < fake> hu?
01:22  * fake compiled it yesterday succesfully?
01:32 < esden> argh ... it is compiling successfully ... but when I try to use it I get a link error
01:32 < esden> stating that some deflate crc32 and other functions are not defined >_<
01:32 < esden> an example: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux-gnu/3.3.2/../../../libpng.so: undefined reference to `deflate'
01:33 < esden> and I really have no idea why
01:34 < fake> -lz ?
01:34 < fake> or -lcompress
01:35 < fake> libpng-config --libs
01:35 < fake> -lpng12 -lz -lm
01:35 < fake> there we've got it ;)
01:35 < esden> ahh very nice ... thanks fake ... it is somehow missing -lz ...
01:35 < esden> humm
01:36 < esden> ok ... I test that on the other evil bluish system that was red before
01:36 < esden> if there is the same error
01:36 < esden> if yes then there is a bug in eplylon
01:37 < esden> that would be not surprising ;)
01:43 < esden> uarrrrgh ... how stupid how terribly stupid ... /me wants to spank someone badly ;)
01:43 < fake> me me me!
01:44 < esden> no not you ... rasta!!!!
01:44 < esden> argl
01:45 < esden> this very intelligent and pretty ill guy is not using libpng-config to get the arguments for his libraries ... *sigh*
01:48 < esden> humm ... strange ... but on redhat it is compiling without complaining ... o_O
01:48 < esden> have they linked everything static in libpng? o_O
01:48 < fake> maybe they have patched libpng to use... err what was it
01:48 < fake> -rsomething
01:49 < fake> iirc
01:50 < fake> -E to ld
01:50 < esden> -rsomething o_O
01:50 < fake> iirc
01:51 < esden>        -E  Stop after the preprocessing stage; do not run the compiler proper.
01:51 < esden>            The output is in the form of preprocessed source code, which is
01:51 < esden>            sent to the standard output.
01:51 < esden>            Input files which don't require preprocessing are ignored.
01:51 < esden> that is a nice fix ;)
01:51 < fake> nooo
01:51 < fake> to ld!
01:51 < fake> -XE
01:52 < fake> -Xlinker -E
01:52 < esden> ahh ok
01:52 < fake> i am not sure though
01:52 < esden> that one is adding all symbols to the library 
01:53 < esden> that the library is refering to
01:53 < fake> yes
01:53 < fake> it's not what you want, usually
01:53 < esden> no not really
01:53 < esden> but it is redhat ;)
01:54 < fake> the usage of libpng-config is the 'right thing to do(tm)'
01:54 < esden> ACK ... /me bashing someone in #edevel ;)
02:00 < esden> humm ... but there is nobody
02:01 < esden> humm ... perhups I should write an email to the mailinglist
02:01 < fake> or better a patch
02:02 < esden> yes ... I am working on it
02:02 < esden> but I have to fix all configure scripts for that ... *sigh* otherwise it is not a clean patch ;)
02:05 < esden> and they are not using include guards in their header files ... THAT HURTS!!!!
02:05 < esden> that code neeeeeds revisioning!!!
02:05 < esden> but really hard revisioning
02:05 < esden> argh
02:05 < fake> from the 2.6.6 ChangeLog:
02:05 < fake> <akpm@osdl.org>
02:05 < fake> [PATCH] laptop mode
02:06 < fake> Adds /proc/sys/vm/laptop-mode: a special knob which says "this is a laptop".
02:06 < fake> In this mode the kernel will attempt to avoid spinning disks up.
02:06 < fake> cool!
02:06  * fake trying ;)
02:06 < esden> ROFL!!!
02:06 < esden> muahaha!!!
02:06  * esden dying
02:08 < esden> "und ich habe gedacht ich bin schlampig" !!! !!! /me is really getting furious
02:08 < fake> hu?
02:08  * fake getting foog
02:08 < fake> food
02:08 < esden> that is better then getting furious for sure ;)
02:37 < fake> boy... kde takes aaaaages...
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02:46 < esden> and some people really should learn how to write software ... *sigh*
02:47  * esden cleaning up a small app ... after that I will probably start to clean up other things if my cleaning will be accepted
02:47 < esden> IF ;)
02:48 < fake> puh, finished reading kernel changelog
03:14 < fake> now FINALLY kdelibs finished...
03:16 < esden> ok ... my autogen.sh rewrite to autoreconf seems to be finished
03:16  * esden -> bed
03:17 < esden> good night fake and anyone else that is still up but hides himself in the dark
03:27 < esden> ahh ok
03:27 < esden> ich habe rasta erwischt
03:27 < esden> also ... anscheinend es ist doch ein rocklinux problem
03:27 < esden> ups
03:27 < esden> wrong language
03:27 < esden> ok ... rasta says that it may be a rocklinux problem
03:28 < esden> ld libraries can also make dynamic link library dependancies
03:28 < esden> so using -lpng on the commandline should pull -lz and -lm automatically after that
03:28 < esden> and somehow the -lpng in rocklinux is not doing it
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04:42 < mnemoc> re
04:43 < fake> hi mnemoc 
04:56  * fake making more c0ff33
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04:58 < MadTux> hi.
04:59 < mnemoc> hi MadTux, fake 
05:00 < MadTux> mnemoc, hello! up this late?
05:00 < mnemoc> 28.8 powered :)
05:00 < MadTux> ? 
05:00 < MadTux> dialup?
05:00 < mnemoc> fake: realpath was very complex
05:00 < MadTux> brb
05:00 < mnemoc> MadTux: yeah
05:10 < fake> mnemoc: yes
05:10 < fake> hi MadTux!
05:11 < fake> MadTux: <Frederic> has anyone seen minguel? :(
05:12 < MadTux> hi fake how are u ?
05:13 < MadTux> Frederic, whenever u read this.. I'm here.. almost alive.
05:14 < fake> MadTux: i have no timestamps, but that was about 3 hrs ago i guess
05:15 < MadTux> fake, thanks for letting me know.
05:16 < fake> you're welcome ;)
05:22 < mnemoc> MadTux: why _almost_ alive?
05:23 < MadTux> mnemoc, too tired... damn work keeps getting in the way
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05:26 < mnemoc> who is the girl and the family?
05:26 < mnemoc> how*
05:27 < MadTux> GREAT :)
05:28 < mnemoc> great to ear that :)
05:33 < mnemoc> i'll  hang up :) ... cu tomorrow
05:33 < mnemoc> try to sleep MadTux
05:33 < mnemoc> good luck fake 
05:34 < MadTux> oyasumi mnemoc-chan
05:34 < MadTux> sleep is for dialup mortals.
05:34 < MadTux> :P
05:34 < mnemoc> s/chan/san/
05:34 < MadTux> CHAN
05:34 < MadTux> :)
05:34 < mnemoc> :\
05:34 < mnemoc> cu
05:34 < MadTux> :)
05:34 < MadTux> sleep well my friend
05:36 < fake> thanks, n8!
05:36 < fake> .oO( good luck with what? )
05:38 < MadTux> :)
05:47 < fake>  Speaker after speaker at the conference denied the near-term feasibility of the silicon transistor. Teal, next to last on the agenda, took his turn. TI cofounder Erik Jonsson recalled that Teal, "a quiet man," put everyone to sleep until, at the end of his speech, he calmly remarked, "Contrary to what my colleagues have told you about the bleak prospects for silicon transistors, I happen to have a few here in my pocket."
05:47 < fake> smartass ;)
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07:01 < fake> booooring...
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07:10 < owl> moin
07:11 < MadTux> Sandra!
07:11 < MadTux> christian_, !
07:12 < owl> hi Miguel :)
07:12 < owl> how are you?
07:12 < MadTux> great, and u ?
07:12 < owl> hmm. sleepy ;)
07:12 < MadTux> me too
07:12 < blindy> moin
07:13 < MadTux> blindy!
07:13 < owl> hi blindy
07:14 < owl> aaargh. what are handkerchieves doing in my cake-box? O_o
07:15 < owl> s/cake/cookie
07:16 < blindy> MadTux: hi! got the gems already?
07:16 < blindy> owl: interesting storage place for those :)
07:16 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,299269,00.html <- no comment
07:17 < owl> blindy: yeah ;)
07:17 < owl> you can be sure nobody finds them. but - aehm. it's not money. damnit :)
07:17 < MadTux> blindy, oh shit! i had forgot :S
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07:19 < blindy> MadTux: well, get them while they're hot :)
07:20 < blindy> I'll be at work the next dozes hours, so feel free to leech :)
07:20 < MadTux> ok will do so thx blindy
07:20  * blindy thinks about setting up a gem-fserv :)
07:21 < blindy> in addition to sonar :)
07:21 < MadTux> :)
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07:27 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,298410,00.html <- dogs under voltage
07:31 < owl> <- off again. bye
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08:03 < blindy> rehi
08:05 < fake> re hi
08:08 < blindy> moin fake
08:08 < blindy> fake: still awake? or again?
08:15 < fake> still
08:15 < fake> i have to shift my daytime layout
08:15 < fake> i have to go to school tomorrow, still ;)
08:17 < blindy> oh
08:17 < blindy> sucks :)
08:17 < blindy> why don't stay up through today, might be the easiest way
08:19 < fake> that's what i intend to do
08:19 < fake> and i won't dare falling asleep before i watched 24 tonight
08:19 < SMP> 24? on TV?
08:20 < blindy> brb, getting brakfast
08:21 < fake> SMP: sure
08:21 < fake> season 2 on rtl2
08:21 < fake> 20:15
08:21 < fake> 2 or 3 eps in a row each tuesday
08:22 < fake> .oO( 'brakfast' sounds klingon )
08:23 < blindy> fake: adjust by common sense :)
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08:31 < blindy> hmm
08:31 < blindy> does wake-on-lan work with wlan?
08:32 < SMP> 'yeah, right'
08:33 < SMP> OTOH I'm pretty sure you can _send_ the magic frame from WLAN across a bridge
08:34 < fake> you can use openvpn layer-2 vpn and bridge one end to the internal lan
08:34 < blindy> ok, guess that's a no :)
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08:55 < Frederic> moin
08:55 -!- Frederic is now known as ChristianQt
08:55 < ChristianQt> OHHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
08:55 < ChristianQt> minguel was here and i not :(((((((((((((((((((
08:55 < blindy> well, shit happens
08:56 < ChristianQt> DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
08:57 < ChristianQt> blindy, how are you?
08:58 < blindy> ChristianQt: a little bit tired cause of being at the gym yesterday for the first time in three weeks, but fine otherwise :)
08:58 < blindy> today seems to be a lazy day at work
08:58 < ChristianQt> what is your job?
08:59 < ChristianQt> nice to hear that you are fine
09:00 < blindy> taking care of HP and SGI Workstations and Servers
09:00 < ChristianQt> oh nice.
09:01 < ChristianQt> is there rock running? :) 
09:01 < blindy> no, HP-SUX and IRIX
09:01 < blindy> but that was a nice chance to port transconnect to HP-SUX :)
09:02 < ChristianQt> transconnect?
09:02 < ChristianQt> whats this?
09:02 < blindy> freshmeat.net/transconnect
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09:03 < ChristianQt> moin rr_adsl
09:03 < ChristianQt> blindy, moment please
09:03 < ChristianQt> blindy, oh nice sounds interesting
09:03 -!- rr_adsl is now known as ringo
09:04 < ringo> morning ChristianQt 
09:04 < blindy> moin ringo 
09:04 < ChristianQt> how are you ringo? :) 
09:04 < ringo> moin blindy 
09:04 < ChristianQt> blindy, have you rewritten the sourcecode? 
09:04 < ChristianQt> or what does porting mean in this context?
09:04 < ringo> fine thx ... on mirc on windows xp at the moment ... 
09:05 < ChristianQt> ringo, gooooooooo hoooooooomeeeeeeee     :)))
09:05 < ringo> ChristianQt sorry for asking but whats is your reg nick ?
09:06  * ChristianQt <---
09:06 < ringo> ok :) 
09:06 < ChristianQt> why?
09:06 < blindy> ChristianQt: getting it to compile on HP-UX
09:07 < ChristianQt> blindy, oki :)
09:07 < ringo> just  a question, thought maybe you were someone else.
09:07 < blindy> ChristianQt: involved a bit of #ifdefs and API-adaptions (connect(2) on HP-UX is quite different from connect(2) on Linux and Solaris)
09:07 < ChristianQt> ringo, bu bu :)
09:07 < ChristianQt> I see blindy :) 
09:08 < ChristianQt> do you are familar with socket programming under linux?
09:08 < ringo> Does not matter.
09:08 < ringo> A little ... 
09:08 < blindy> not at all :)
09:08 < ringo> I got a book about gthe
09:08 < ringo> oops "that"
09:08  * ChristianQt hast a problem
09:09 < ChristianQt> -t :)about socketprogramming
09:09 < ringo> speak :)
09:10 < ChristianQt> oh okay mom - searching my sourcecode
09:10 < netrunner> ChristianQt: are you happy with qt or what? 
09:10  * netrunner moins the channel
09:10 < ChristianQt> netrunner, of course
09:10 < ChristianQt> moin :)
09:10 < ringo> trolltech  rulez 
09:10 < ChristianQt> ringo, absolutely
09:10 < ChristianQt> they are really cool
09:10 < ChristianQt> especially matthias ettrich he is so smart
09:11  * ringo fetching socketbook
09:11 < ChristianQt> int getUrl = socket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0); -> here i generate a tcp socket with streaming. 0 means that the kernel does the rest...  
09:11 < ChristianQt> right?
09:12 < ChristianQt> ringo, what have you to do with trolltech?
09:12 < ChristianQt> 0 means that the kernel choose the protocol from tcp/ip
09:13 < ChristianQt> af_inet means -> tcp/ip
09:13 < ChristianQt> and sock_stream means that he shouldnt make it with udp? 
09:13 < blindy> moin netrunner 
09:13 < ringo> nothing I just like the widgetset 
09:13 < ChristianQt> ringo, good :) 
09:14 < ChristianQt> it seems that we are alone with this opinion here :)
09:14 < ChristianQt> no protest about my explanation? then lets go on:
09:15 < ringo> I also like tk .. 
09:15 < ChristianQt> ringo, isnt it only for little dirty programms?
09:15 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I'd now throw qt questions at you as I just began playing with it ...
09:15 < ChristianQt> netrunner, feel free to ask :) 
09:16 < ChristianQt> sockaddr_in addr_in; // hmm what is this? i know which kind of information we will save there - but why? what are we going to save there in detail? in my book only stands what we will save there - not why!
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09:16 < ChristianQt> hi Worf - pach pa pach pea :) 
09:16 < ringo> I like to make simple guis with perl .. .
09:17 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmmmmm making guis with qt designer is simple too :)
09:17 < fake> pear sucks
09:17 < ChristianQt> and what you get is really fast :) 
09:17 < ChristianQt> perl not pear :) 
09:17 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I want a QGroupBox around a QListBox. but the listbox gets only very small. when I create it in the parent widget it gets bigger ...
09:17 < fake> i mean PEAR
09:18 < netrunner>  .o( much traffic here ... )
09:18 < ChristianQt> fake, sorry :)
09:18 < fake> CPAN wannabe...
09:18 < ringo> fake qhat module do you want to write ?
09:18 < ChristianQt> netrunner, got a screenshot?
09:19 < Worf> ChristianQt: nuqneH :)
09:19  * Worf crawls out of bed
09:19 < ChristianQt> nuqneH? :) 
09:19 < ringo> ChristianQt could you set your code somewhere web ftp ?
09:19 < ringo> moin Worf
09:19 < Worf> ChristianQt: http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html :-)
09:19 < fake> ringo: none! never!
09:19 < ChristianQt> ringo, yes of course. moment please. hehe but this code works perfek. i only have some problems to understand it
09:20 < ringo> its just plain klingon ... 
09:20 < fake> netrunner: mornin' !
09:20 < ringo> fake thought you wanted to be on the wall of cpan fame :)
09:20 < ChristianQt> http://nopaste.php.cd/15109
09:20 < fake> ringo: i've just said that PEAR is a lousy CPAN wannabe
09:20 < ChristianQt> netrunner, ? :) still alive?
09:21 < ChristianQt> ringo, seen my paste? :) 
09:22  * blindy making coffee
09:22 < ChristianQt> have fun blindy
09:22 < ringo> ChristianQt yups its in word right now no syntax highlighting though ..
09:22 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmhn... i will upload mom
09:23 < ChristianQt> www.qtforum.org/members/christian/main.cpp
09:25 < ChristianQt> ringo, got it?
09:26 < ringo> yups :)
09:27 < ChristianQt> nice
09:29 < ringo> http://home.netcom.com/~jsnader/etcpsrc.tgz some nice examples ... 
09:29 < ChristianQt> ringo, mom
09:29 < blindy> heh, nothing like problems solving themselves :)
09:29 < ringo> ChristianQt ?
09:30 < ChristianQt> ringo, hm? :) 
09:30 < ringo>  ringo, mom ... "?"
09:31 < ChristianQt> downloading takes some time here ringo :) 
09:31 < ringo> ChristianQt ok thought you were yelling mommmy, sorry ... 
09:32 < ringo> 28kb .... 
09:32 < ChristianQt> ringo, lol no :) 
09:33 < ChristianQt> yeah :) got it
09:34 < ChristianQt> hmmm heavy examples :>
09:35 < ringo> just tha
09:35 < ringo> take the first example. ...
09:36 < ringo> Effetive tcp/ip programming 
09:37 < ChristianQt> ah this are the examples from this book?
09:37 < ChristianQt> ringo, have you read it? is it good?
09:38 < ringo> its very nice yesterday began with the first page ... I am on page 3 ... 
09:38 < ChristianQt> ringo, applause :) 
09:39 < ChristianQt> okay then I will buy it too.
09:39 < ChristianQt> and will move the socket part a little bit in our project.
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09:39 < ringo> I found it a little expensive ... You could also go for a pdf on kazaa .. 
09:40 < ChristianQt> ringo, no this sucks
09:40 < ChristianQt> but i have to finish 3 other books first :(
09:40 < ringo> I have dld about 300Mb of pdfs from kazaa I like it a lot... 
09:41 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmmm I need something i my hand.
09:41 < ringo> If you wish to use kazaa on linux goto #gift
09:41 < ChristianQt> to every book i have i have a relationship :) 
09:41 < ChristianQt> no no no :) 
09:41 < ringo> Yes that is what I like also ... 
09:42 < ChristianQt> my books are really important in my life :) 
09:42 < ChristianQt> my books are my only friends :) 
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09:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, ree
09:43 < ringo> I also like books more but I am reading a pdf on php in Pdf form its also nice. You could go to a copyshop they will print a pdf for a small fee.
09:44 < ChristianQt> ringo, could be... not my prefered way :) 
09:44 < blindy> is that xfree86-mention-us-in-your-documentation thingie still there?
09:45 < blindy> I need a new subtitle for the next LVP-version :)
10:08 < daja77> moin
10:09 < blindy> moin daja77 
10:09 < ChristianQt> hi daja77
10:09 < daja77> hi blindy & ChristianQt 
10:11 < blindy> daja77: do you know the answer to my above question?
10:11 < daja77> no
10:12 < daja77> i mean i don't know :)
10:13 < blindy> hmm... ok
10:18 < ringo> hi daja77
10:19 < daja77> ringo!
10:20 < netrunner> re. stupid disconnects.
10:20 < netrunner> our webserver caches the ip for my dyndns name, so the update takes long to propagate :(
10:20 < ringo> hi daja77 :)
10:20 < daja77> :)
10:20 < netrunner> ChristianQt: sorry, got no screenshot atm, not @home.
10:35 < netrunner> what do people here use to backup their personal data? 
10:37 < ringo> netrunner tripwire && cdrecord ... 
10:37 < daja77> daily copy to /dev/null
10:38 < ringo> my /dev/null is not that big ... 
10:38 < daja77> hehe
10:38 < ringo> I need to upgrade it 
10:39 < blindy> netrunner: taper
10:39 < daja77> yeah do that
10:39 < ringo> sorry to much coffee ... 
10:39  * ringo afk :(
10:39 < valentin> moin
10:39 < blindy> netrunner: http://freshmeat.net/taper
10:42 < netrunner> ringo: tripwire is not really a backup system iirc
10:43 < netrunner> daja77: I recently moved stuff to /dev/null, this is why I realised that raid is not enough :)
10:43 < daja77> :)
10:43 < netrunner> bacula looks good.
10:43 < netrunner> but I have no tape robot :)
11:04 < netrunner> blindy: why is there no rock package taper? *plonk*
11:06 < blindy> netrunner: because... because... I mean... err... *cries*
11:07  * netrunner throws windows cd's after blindy
11:07 < blindy> WAAAH
11:07  * blindy runs away
11:07  * blindy picks up some HP-SUX disks and throws them back at netrunner 
11:09 < BoS> re
11:15 < daja77> id'd really like to know why rock builds always screw my ext3 up
11:18 < SMP> they do? then something is really wrong with your hardware or kernel
11:19 < daja77> upgrading the kernel is on my todo :)
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11:21 < daja77> http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,92934,00.html
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11:24 < blindy> daja77: nice rant
11:26 < daja77> this one is better http://humorix.org/articles/2004/05/transition/
11:28 < blindy> renders strangely with netscape
11:30 < blindy> hehe, nice :)
11:30 < blindy> someone should really make a distro nlike that :)
11:32 < daja77> .oO (I follow rxr's paln not to bash other projects here ...)
11:32 < blindy> daja77: convincing yourself?
11:33 < daja77> otherwise i would have given you a hint which distro aims on that ^^
11:35 < blindy> ah :)
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11:48 < ChristianQt> re
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11:53 < BoS> re
11:53 < ChristianQt> hi be
11:53 < ChristianQt> hi bos
11:54 < BoS> hi ChristianQt 
11:54 < ChristianQt> how are ya?
11:58 < owl> remoin
11:58 < ChristianQt> hi owl
11:58 < owl> hi ChristianQt 
11:58 < ChristianQt> havent seen you a long time
11:58 < ChristianQt> how are you?
11:58 < owl> hmmmmmmmmmm. alive. and you?
11:58 < ChristianQt> fine thanks :) 
11:59 < owl> <- just opened the eyes about 2 minutes ago, so - aehm - no status available *fg*
12:00 < ChristianQt> owl, hihi :) today no work waiting at your company?
12:00 < owl> i'm not in my company because i
12:00 < owl> 'm ill since december
12:01 < ChristianQt> ill since devember?
12:01 < ChristianQt> oh my god!
12:01 < ChristianQt> what have you got if i am allowed to ask?
12:01 < owl> borderline + depression -> not able to concentrate. 
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12:02 < ChristianQt> :(((
12:02 < ChristianQt> moin esden
12:02 < blindy> moin owl
12:02 < blindy> moin esden 
12:02 < ChristianQt> poor owl _( 
12:02 < owl> esdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:03 < owl> hmm. not really
12:05 < esden> morning
12:06  * owl throws a wet waschlappen into esdens face 
12:06 < esden> :P
12:06  * blindy throws some work at esden
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12:24 < owl> hi LowLander 
12:24 < LowLander> morge
12:24 < LowLander> or mittag
12:26 < owl> guten hunger ;p
12:32 < owl> hmmmmmmmm. how do i X package, O package and - package in targets?
12:36 < blindy> there see target/bootdisk/config.in
12:37 < owl> thx. shame on my blindness. 
13:07 < fake> how can i tell mkisofs that setuid is a flag i do NOT want to loose?
13:09 < fake> -R ?
13:09 < fake> -r doesn't work
13:09 < LowLander> hay fake hows the live-CD going ?
13:09 < LowLander> hey even
13:10 < fake> hm, i just noticed that /usr/X11R6/bin/X is not setuid-root
13:10 < rxr> -hi
13:10 < fake> to, i just wanted to start X ;)
13:10 < fake> hi rxr!
13:10 < blindy> moin rxr
13:11 < rxr> moin all
13:11 < fake> i've got a complete system with X and KDE 3.2.2 (all packets in kde/) in 300MB
13:11 < fake> i thought it would be bigger
13:12 < blindy> fake: compressed with UPX?
13:13 < rxr> compressed with cloop I guess
13:13 < blindy> cloop?
13:13 < rxr> compressed loop device|
13:14 < blindy> ah
13:17 < fake> blindy: noo.. i don't want small size. speed gets more important here
13:17 < fake> yep, cloop
13:17 < blindy> how does cloop compare to upx in terms of size and speed?
13:17 < fake> but i want to make that optional
13:17 < rxr> cloop already is small size - and all is compressed data, libs not only binaries
13:18 < blindy> i see
13:18 < fake> yes, but cloop is fast
13:18 < blindy> upx is fast in decompression, too
13:18 < rxr> fake: do you think additional UPX to the cloop will get a higher compression?
13:18 < fake> rxr: i don't know
13:18 < blindy> rxr: no, that won't work
13:19 < blindy> even compressing an upx-binary with bzip2 doesn't make it any smaller
13:19 < blindy> however, compressing a kernel bzImage with UPX _does_ make that one smaller
13:19 < fake> but it wouldn't harm
13:19 < fake> cloop compresses everything non-executable
13:19 < fake> and the already-compressed executables from upx are already small
13:19 < rxr> fake: huh?
13:20 < rxr> fake: shouldn't it be transparent and just compress all|
13:20 < rxr> ? even
13:20 < fake> rxr: yes. i mean a combination of cloop and upx would be useful nontheless upx'd executables don't get smaller anymore
13:21 < fake> but i didn't even start to shrink it
13:21 < fake> that's just what came out of the build
13:21 < rxr> fake: sorry miss read you writing ...
13:21 < rxr> forget my comment
13:21 < fake> *nods* ;)
13:21 < fake> rxr: btw: the .cache files are veeeery old
13:21 < SMP> indeed
13:22 < rxr> yes
13:22 < rxr> hi SMP 
13:24 < fake> -R = setuid files on cd. fine!
13:47 < netrunner> argl. I cannot update subversion because I cannot update python because I have no X :(
13:48 < blindy> ?
13:48 < blindy> I update subversion on my server regularly, and there is no X on that machine
13:50 < netrunner> blindy: it wants Python.h . python wants Xlib.h
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13:51 < blindy> hmm
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14:03 < esden> humm
14:05 < rxr> hi esden 
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14:14 < owl> <- off for therapy. bye *waves*
14:15  * rxr *waves* back
14:15 < rxr> cu owl
14:32 < netrunner> blindy: http://www.selfesteemgames.mcgill.ca/
14:34 < blindy> yeah, read about that.
14:34 < blindy> I prefer nethack
14:35 < netrunner> :)
14:36 < daja77> urgs flash games
14:38 < LowLander> flash games from good looking women aren'T that bad :-P
14:38 < rolla> re
14:38 < LowLander> so called UPS, that was enough work for today
14:40 < daja77> how can women look good in flash?
14:42 < LowLander> not that kind of flash :-P
14:44 < netrunner> http://www.ghadzoeux.net/divers/1.mpg
14:45 < LowLander> wow typo3 looks really impressive
14:46  * LowLander really needs to update his webpage
14:46 < LowLander> wonder if typo3 will work at stratot
14:46  * daja77 downloding netrunner's pr0n :)
14:46 < daja77> at what?
14:46 < LowLander> strato
14:46 < netrunner> daja77: pst, don't tell :)
14:46 < LowLander> isp
14:46 < LowLander> better know as stratot
14:47 < daja77> hehe
14:50 < netrunner> blindy: how do you build python without x?
14:51 < daja77> python needs X?
14:51 < rolla> re all
14:51 < blindy> netrunner: I can't remember having needed X to build python
14:52 < blindy> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ mine -q python
14:52 < blindy> python 2.3.2 2.0.0-rc5
14:52 < blindy> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ mine -q xfree
14:52 < blindy> While reading GEM file xfree: No such file or directory
14:52 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:55 < daja77> another of these stupid folding videos
15:05  * rxr firmware updating some dump wireless lan AP
15:18 < rxr> hm
15:18 < rxr> at least it works a bit better now 
15:18 < rxr> damn small office home office hardware crap
15:38 < rolla> cool
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15:52 < rxr> hm - disabling encryption speeds the netgear crap a bit up
15:52  * rxr will bring it back in some mintues
15:52 < rxr> damn crap hardware
15:52  * rxr wondering why those manfatures are living with those defect products 
15:52  * rxr and why they can not produce working hardware ...
15:57 < blindy> they can, but at 3x the times
16:03 < fake> hrmpf
16:04 < rxr> blindy: who care - I need working products
16:04 < rxr> and the AP I have here has a firmware from May 2003 - so they could ship it now in some working state
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16:04 < fake> if i include vesafb in the kernel and set the video= accordingly, i guess another framebuffer will never be used, right?
16:05 < rxr> don't know
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16:06 < fourier> hi :)
16:07 < fake> hi fourier 
16:07 < fourier> how are you fake ?
16:09 < fourier> silent i see :)
16:11 < fake> busy...
16:11 < fourier> :)
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16:15 < fourier> i have downloaded and burned rock 2.0.0 but in the i have a directory called 2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert
16:15 < fourier> is it rc5 or is the stable and final version?
16:20 < rxr> which was the download URL?
16:20 < fourier> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/%7Edrock/stable/2.0.0/minimal/rock-minimal-2.0.0-rev2366-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
16:20 < rxr> (it might be possible that my official 2.0.0 included this build-id, since it was the working target ad we tagged it 2.0.0 at the end)
16:20 < rxr> yep - this should be the final release
16:20 < fourier> i see
16:20 < rxr> -rc5 was never released but labelled 2.0.0
16:21 < rxr> so - my new AP is working now
16:21 < fourier> thank you :)
16:21 < rxr> only wasted the last hours flashing firmwares ...
16:21 < rxr> fourier: no problem ;-)
16:25 < fourier> i'll be right back
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16:25 < mnemoc> moin
16:27  * blindy gone
16:41 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
16:41 < mnemoc> moin rxr
16:44 < fake> hey, i *slowly* get a clue of SER routing entries
16:54 < mnemoc> hi fake, how is livecd target going?
17:12 < fake> mnemoc: very well
17:12 < mnemoc> good :)
17:13 < mnemoc> fake: why are you using dietlibc?
17:16 < fake> mnemoc: only for initrd
17:16 < fake> hey, X with twm already works ;)
17:20 < mnemoc> =D
17:24 < rxr> http://www.rockslidephoto.com/
17:24 < rxr> just from osnews.com - due to rock in name ...
17:25 < mnemoc> uhm?
17:28 < rxr> http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story.php?news_id=4049
17:35 < rxr> hm - for my self-made boxes and amplifier I have to increate the bass on my iBooks audio out ...
17:35  * rxr refactored his flat yesterday evening and this morning
17:36 < rxr> too much embedded stuff, ICs and so on got spread in my libving room - I have a dedicated working room now ...
17:37 < mnemoc> pics?
17:37 < fake> wee!
17:37 < fake> kde works
17:37 < rxr> no digicam (anymore) ...
17:37 < rxr> I could add them to my analog camera and scan them as soon as the film is filled ...
17:37 < rxr> fake: congrats
17:38 < fake> only thing left to do is level-up the volume...
17:38 < rxr> hm - for alsa I guess ...
17:38 < fake> rxr: how can i do that genericaly for any sound card in an init script?
17:38 < rxr> (OSS does this ...)
17:39 < rxr> fake: ALSA?
17:39 < fake> yes
17:39 < fake> sure
17:40 < rxr> hm - I quickly took a look, but have not found alsactl nor alsamixer seem to privde needed control access ...
17:40 < fake> *nod*
17:40 < rxr> I could write a C++ prog if you want
17:40 < fake> i could load snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss
17:40 < rxr> this does not do this
17:40 < fake> and then use umix or s/th like that
17:40 < rxr> only the native OSS drivers set the mider
17:41 < rxr> hm - a bit ugly
17:41 < rxr> but it would do ...
17:41 < fake> i'll leave all the l33t hackish stuff to you ;)
17:42 < rxr> fake: amixer
17:42  * rxr just hacking on the powrepc alsa dirver
17:43 < rxr> driver even
17:43 < rxr> when I gixed the 2.6 kernel one I can play with amixer ....
17:43 < fake> j0
17:44 < fake> amixer is fine
17:44 < fake> i can use Master and PCM
17:44 < fake> they seem to be pretty generic
17:44 < rxr> and bass and treble should be set to 50%, too
17:47 < fake> i don't have controls for that *g*
17:48 < rxr> no?
17:48 < fake> nope
17:48 < rxr> what sound-card/chip whatever is this?
17:48 < fake> nvidia nforce audio junk
17:49 < fake> but the vmware emulated ens1370 also has no bass/treble
17:50 < rxr> oeh - aha
17:50 < rxr> and your nvidia nforce audio junk ?
17:51 < fake> both
17:51 < Worf> nvidia nforce audio works great here - no junk! ( my soundblaster is junk! :-)
17:51 < fake> Worf: do you have Bass/Trebel ALSA controls?
17:52 < fake> rxr: should i start X/kde on boot?
17:52 < rxr> this is your live-cd
17:52  * fake not sure
17:52 < rxr> on some desktop demo live cd I would do so
17:52 < fake> it would be nice for showing off
17:52 < rxr> you use the new xfre86 -configure s.th. auto-detection ?
17:52 < Worf> hmm... fake: weird, i don't seem to have em right now...
17:52 < fake> rxr: no, vesafb *g*
17:53 < Worf> there are damn lot controls - so i didn't notice 2 of em missing :-)
17:53 < fake> rxr: X -configure ?
17:53 < rxr> s.th. like this - do not know off hand
17:54 < fake> last time i tried, it hung the vm
17:54 < rxr> hm
17:54 < fake> j00 have to be r00t to be able to run X -configure
17:54 < fake> that sucks
17:57 < mnemoc> it's expectable
17:58 < fake> X is suid root
17:58 < BoS> rxr: the http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de isn't available at the moment, whats up whit him?
17:59 < rxr> oh - my again a problem there ...
17:59 < rxr> hm - responds to pings here
17:59 < BoS> ah, ic
17:59 < rxr> works here
17:59 < BoS> sh...
18:00 < BoS> download from server was broken (ppc -iso)
18:00 < rxr> in which way broken ?
18:00 < daja77> wget -c
18:00 < rxr> if it has corrupted bits, I also have running rsync there ...
18:01 < rxr> to fix tiny jitters without much transfered bits ...
18:01 < BoS> server not responsed
18:02 < BoS> ok - new downlad start whit wget
18:02 < rxr> new?
18:02 < rxr> how much did you got?
18:02 < rxr> you could rsync the rest ...
18:03 < rxr> kernel people getting on my nerves the renamed _TASK -> _WORK somwhere for 2.6
18:03 < rxr> INIT_TASK -> INIT_WORK
18:03 < rxr> schedule_task -> schedule_work
18:03 < rxr> task_struct -> work_struct
18:03 < rxr> as if we all have too much time for such playing ...
18:04 < rxr> ok - my ppc/tumbler.c modifications compile again
18:04 < BoS> rxr: only 350 mb from the first iso
18:04 < rxr> speak up if you need rsync to fix some ISO in some way ...
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18:05 < BoS> mhh ..
18:06  * rxr injecting patched snd-powerpc into my running iBook ...
18:06 < BoS> rxr: thx
18:07 < rxr> snd-powermac even
18:08 < BoS> cool - works whit better sound output for imac?
18:09 < rxr> BoS: ?
18:09  * rxr rebooting
18:10 < BoS> yes - my imac has probs whit sound output - newworld 2,1
18:16 < fake> hm... if i use X -configure with vesafb installed, it detects the gfxcard correctly
18:17 < fake> but i can't start it, because vesafb is  'in the way'
18:17 < fake> if i start without vesafb, X -configure hangs
18:27 < blindy> rehi
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18:35 < rxr> rehi
18:36 < rxr> BoS: on which OS - what kind of sound problems?
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18:52 < mnemoc> submaster: 138 Patches
18:53 < rxr> :-)
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18:53 < rxr> ok - I found why my overworked snd-powermac module oopsed ...
18:54 < mnemoc> why?
18:56 < rxr> because some autoupdate function w/ my schedule_work was called before I actually INIT_WORK'ed the work_struct
18:57 < rxr> ok - seems to work
19:00 < rxr> yep works
19:00 < mnemoc> there is any magic tool to trace the flow of a C++ program?
19:00 < rxr> now diffing this beast gets ugly
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19:14 < netrunner> oh, 2.6.6 ... I am late :)
19:14 < netrunner> iirc it should include laptopmode patch ...
19:14 < mnemoc> laptopmode?
19:15 < netrunner> mnemoc: jup, it delays write access for a defined time to let the hdd spin down
19:16 < mnemoc> cool feature
19:17 < netrunner> jup
19:17 < netrunner> a bit dangerous, but cool.
19:18  * rxr thinks this ugly bit of code should never had been gone into the kernel
19:18 < rxr> especially this rediculous /proc entry to enable/disable it ...
19:18 < rxr> this laptop tuning should be done thru the normal vm / io scheduler behabviour controls 
19:19 < rxr> not with some big ugly hack of crap code patching even filesystems
19:19 < rxr> and the last time I looked only some (ext?) filesystems got patch - e.g. not ReiserFS ...
19:19 < rxr> make it only half functional with it ...
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20:04 < rxr> I just heopfully imporoved mail routing of rocklinux-consulting.de - please notify me if you notice oddities ...
20:10 < fake> woo - first real pc just booted fine 
20:10  * fake now trying 2nd
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20:20  * fake now chatting from live cd
20:20 < daja77> cool
20:21 < fake> in konsole in kde 3.2.2...
20:21 < fake> damn this is fast
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20:23 < netrunne1> rxr: isn't the proc interface thought exactly for cases like that?
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20:32 < rxr> yes - but not not for /proc/make-the-wohle-kernel-different
20:33 < rxr> we already have /proc/sys/vm
20:33 < rxr> for fine tuning - some tiny additions are sufficent
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20:48 < fake> the 60 Hz are getting on my nerves
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23:14 < ChristianQt> owl, there?
23:18 < fake> http://media.hugi.is/hahradi/fyndnar/maestro_1.wmv
23:18 < fake> you MUST see this
23:18 < fake> (mplayer can handle wmv, no flames plz)
23:20 < fake> hrmpf - berlios cvs is b0rken
23:27 < netrunner> ChristianQt: still want to answer qt questions? ;)
23:27 < ChristianQt> netrunner, yeh
23:28 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I have a method called through a slot. after it ends, cpu consumption goes to 100% and it does not react any more.
23:28 < netrunner> ChristianQt: how do I debug this? :)
23:28 < ChristianQt> omg :) 
23:28 < ChristianQt> qDebug? :)
23:28 < netrunner> what might that be?
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23:29 < ChristianQt> MadTux, 
23:29 < ChristianQt> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
23:29 < MadTux> hallo.
23:29  * netrunner *hugs* maddy
23:29 < MadTux> ChristianQt: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:29 < ChristianQt> netrunner, qDebug("some debuggin messages"); 
23:29 < ChristianQt> qDebug will send everything to stdout netrunner
23:29 < ChristianQt> MadTux, how are you?
23:29 < MadTux> hello nety :) how are u ?
23:29 < MadTux> ChristianQt: good, and happy to see u around after all this time
23:30 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I already have guards around all methods and con/destructors. they all exit.
23:30 < SMP> anyone here who does _not_ yet know about the newly released PowerPC emulator?
23:30 < SMP> pearpc.sf.net
23:30 < netrunner> MadTux: fine, besides qt is driving me mad
23:30 < ChristianQt> netrunner, can I have the sourcecode?
23:30 < daja77> i posted ybout it yesterday
23:30 < daja77> who does the package ;)
23:30 < netrunner> ChristianQt: if you'd like :)
23:31 < ChristianQt> christian@qtforum.org
23:31 < ChristianQt> thx
23:31 < MadTux> netrunner: i never had problems with qt..
23:31 < MadTux> hi daja77 
23:31 < daja77> hi MadTux 
23:31 < netrunner> ChristianQt: http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/download/nxfront.tar.bz2
23:32 < netrunner> MadTux: never used it, hey? ;)
23:32 < ChristianQt> netrunner, in which file is the bug?
23:33 < MadTux> netrunner: nope i don;t
23:33 < netrunner> ChristianQt: that if I'd knew :) the qgui.cpp builds up the gui ... if you press the new button, you see (nothing happen but debug messages that tell you) that a connection gets created and passed a bit further.
23:34 < netrunner> ChristianQt: after this, file_new exits and then it hangs.
23:34 < fake> can someone confirm that berlios anonymous cvs is broken?
23:34 < ChristianQt> netrunner, wait
23:36 < ChristianQt> netrunner, file new?
23:37 < netrunner> jup. in qgui
23:37 < ChristianQt> hmmm wait
23:37 < netrunner> but it exits. _after_ that, something happens. 
23:38  * netrunner browsing to qtforum.org ... :)
23:40 < ChristianQt> netrunner, :)
23:42 < ChristianQt> oh a german one :) 
23:42 < netrunner> ChristianQt: oh, sorry. nothing important in there, just my notes :)
23:43 < netrunner> ChristianQt: found something? have you tried it?
23:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, same here. cpu 100% - I have aborted it
23:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, what would you like to do in this slot?
23:44 < netrunner> ChristianQt: create a connection and add it's graphical representation into the listbox. 
23:45 < ChristianQt> netrunner, you cant create a connection at runtime...
23:45 < netrunner> ChristianQt: qconnection is derived from QListBoxText for that.
23:45 < SMP> rotfl. rocklinux 5 sites (including #1) on the first page when googling for "nx-x11"
23:45 < netrunner> ChristianQt: connection is a name of my class 
23:45 < ChristianQt> ah i see
23:45 < netrunner> SMP: ugh, I think I should really soon fix that package :)
23:46  * SMP still doesn't know exaclty what it does? something like VNC?
23:51 < netrunner> SMP: it is a X server with builtin nx-compression. 
23:52 < SMP> you mean like Xvnc?
23:53 < SMP> or it compresses the connection to the clients?
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23:58 < fake> SMP: a proxy
23:58 < fake> it kills roundtrips
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