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00:46 < fake> hm
00:46 < fake> who can think of cool features to add to the livecd target_
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00:49 < dsoul> fake how many pages do you want?:P
00:52 < fake> dsoul: just begin, i will stop ypu
00:53 < fake> 6 more one-liners
00:53 < fake> storm your brain
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00:56 < dsoul> fake what do you have already?
00:57 < fake> ok...
00:57 < fake> dsoul: do you speak german?
00:58 < dsoul> no :/
01:00 < fake> np
01:00  * fake switching to on-the-fly translation
01:00 < fake> (these morons insist on getting the docs in german.. blaeh)
01:01 < dsoul> :)
01:01 < fake> - saving user's setting on usb stick
01:01 < fake> - usage of XFree autoconfig instead of vesafb
01:01 < fake> - name of the default user configurable
01:02 < fake> - precalculation of estimated overall size
01:02 < fake> - support for powerpc liveCDs
01:02 < fake> - make removal of header files and static libraries configurable
01:03 < fake> - package preselection templates for specific purposes like rescue-cd, wardriving-cd,...
01:03 < fake> that's what i've got
01:04 < dsoul> - installation on disk?
01:05 < dsoul> - running from ramdisk?
01:05 < fake> installation is disk is good
01:05 < fake> running from ramdisk? huh?
01:05  * fake running from nothing
01:05 < fake> *g*
01:06 < dsoul> copying data from cd to ramdisk at runtime
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01:07 < fake> i don't get that
01:07 < fake> you mean to release the cd-rom drive?
01:07 < dsoul> something like that
01:08 < fake> that will be hard
01:08 < dsoul> you can create tempfs and copy files that are used the most
01:09 < fake> oh, i already have a tmpfs for /home and /var and /tmp
01:10 < fake> however, please continue
01:10  * fake mentally sucked dry
01:10 < dsoul> :)
01:15 < LowLander> fake hows the work going ?
01:15 < LowLander> already have something that others can try ?
01:17 < LowLander> oh well bed time
01:17 < fake> LowLander: yes
01:18  * fake just finishing the 14th page of documentation
01:18 < LowLander> oh cool
01:18 < LowLander> is it in svn ?
01:19 < fake> not yet
01:19 < fake> still needs a final polish
01:19 < fake> it will be in sm tomorrow or so
01:19 < LowLander> ok look forward to it to try it out
01:19 < LowLander> but now its sleep time
01:19 < LowLander> cya
01:21 < fake> n8!
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01:32 < dsoul> - saving/loading configuraiton from network?
01:38 < fake> woo
01:39 < fake> but how?
01:39 < fake> hard to it correctly automatically ;)
01:40 < dsoul> master server?
01:43 < fake> yeah, but how do i differ clients?
01:45 < dsoul> by logging to accounts on master server?
01:46 < fake> yp ?
01:47 < esden> yp you spoke one of the killer letter combinations fake 
01:47 < fake> hm, that is too specific i'm afraid. one can always do that by hand, just select yp packages and add config files to the usb stick
01:48  * fake reaind Javier Augusto's mail @rlml
01:48 < fake> *reading
01:48 < fake> ... (no comment)
02:10 < fake> 14 pages, proof-read and sent. enough.
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02:13 < esden> hi MadTux 
02:13 < MadTux> hi
02:16  * fake going sl33p0r1ng
02:17 < esden> n8 fake 
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03:32 < esden|zZz> n8 *
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04:34 < mnemoc> re
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07:35 < BoS_> moin moin
08:11 < rxr> moin
08:11 < rxr> hi BoS_ 
08:11 < BoS_> hi rxr 
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08:28 < netrunner> moin
08:29 < BoS> moin netrunner 
08:30 < rxr> hi netrunner 
08:31 < netrunner> hi u2 :)
08:57 < rxr> WiX installer
08:57 < rxr> oh my god
08:57 < rxr> only M$ morons can come up with such namges :-(
09:02 < netrunner> :)
09:02  * netrunner sings "... aba olle samma wixa, und a jeda woas wias geed"
09:05 < rxr> WiX - the leading installer for p0rn software
09:05 < netrunner> rxr: hehe, you install interesting things :)
09:05 < rxr> this is just reading /.
09:06 < rxr> and no - I have no hacked Wine on my iBook ... ,)
09:06 < rxr> this WiX installer is now free source - on sourceforge.net
09:07 < rxr> ah, no it is for soem time
09:07 < rxr> WTL is now free source ...
09:08  * netrunner trying opera
09:08 < rxr> (when one can consider the CPL free
09:09 < netrunner> looks nice, and is faster on my laptop.
09:09 < rxr> faster than konqueror?
09:09 < netrunner> what is wtl?
09:09 < netrunner> windows telefone library?
09:09 < rxr> just read slashdot
09:09 < rxr> nope
09:09 < rxr> windows template library
09:09 < rxr> btw, you know that when you need fast probably dillo is for you?
09:11 < netrunner> that's what I normally use and always update :) but some things need ssl or jscript.
09:11 < rxr> or css (...)
09:16 < netrunner> I think it can even do a subset of css. I read in the changelog that they added functionalities several times.
09:17 < rxr> hm - I have two builds running on my iBook
09:17 < rxr> and when I start rocknet it needs 6 seconds to parse my config ...
09:18 < rxr> (ok - well it is long ...)
09:18 < rxr> so if it would be idle this would still be 2 seconds
09:18 < rxr> I think I should profile rocknet a bit ...
09:20 < rxr> oh - ppp is expensive
09:20 < rxr> ppp_option, too
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09:25 < rxr> hi Frederic 
09:25 [Users #rocklinux]
09:25 [ Aard      ] [ esden|zZz] [ LowLander] [ owl    ] [ StefanG ] 
09:25 [ alanjwylie] [ fake     ] [ luckz    ] [ praenti] [ tfing   ] 
09:25 [ blindy    ] [ Freak    ] [ mistik1  ] [ rolla  ] [ th      ] 
09:25 [ BoS       ] [ Frederic ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr    ] [ valentin] 
09:25 [ daja77    ] [ jsaw     ] [ netrunner] [ SMP    ] 
09:25 [ dsoul     ] [ kasc     ] [ nookie   ] [ snyke  ] 
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09:42 < rxr> boring blender build
09:47 < rxr> our blender.conf get's messier and messier
09:47 < rxr> why do they munch their build system with each release a bit more
09:47 < rxr> do they want to sell prebuild binaries since nobody can buld them anymore
09:48  * rxr wonder if each blender developer does patch < ~/blender-secret-makefile-fixes.patch
09:56 < netrunner> no, they do svn up && scripts/Build-Pkg blender :)
09:56 < SMP> LOL
09:57 < rxr> #!AHGÖ'?!?!
09:57 < rxr> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/ROCK/src.blender.1084256757.17523.3543404218/blender-2.33/lib/linux-glibc2.3.3-powerpc/solid/lib/libsolid.a', needed by `/ROCK/src.blender.1084256757.17523.3543404218/blender-2.33/obj/linux-glibc2.3.3-powerpc/bin/blender'.  Stop.
09:57 < rxr> this gets broing
09:57 < rxr> boring even
10:03 < blindy> moin
10:04 < dsoul> hi blindy 
10:19 < blindy> ok, looks like LVP 0.4.1 is ready for primetime
10:20 < blindy> fake: here?
10:21 < rxr> anyone problems with this rocknet feature addition (helping joe users with ROCK Net)):
10:21 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 
10:21 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is already listed active, it is probably a good idea to
10:21 < rxr> take it down before activating it. Use -force to suppress this warning.
10:21 < rxr> # ./ifdown eth0 rlc 
10:21 < rxr> Interface / profile matched: eth0(rlc)
10:21 < rxr> iptables: Can't delete chain with refer
10:22 < rxr> -- the last line of course
10:23 < blindy> what would that mean?
10:23 < blindy> I am not that deep into iptables
10:23 < rxr> nah - ignore the iptables thing
10:23 < rxr> the error message is important
10:23 < rxr> many pieple do subsequent runs of ifup aka rocknet
10:24 < rxr> resulting in totally messed interfaces configurations because they never down them
10:24 < rxr> so why my current modifications you get a warning if you want to "up" (activate) and already active interface
10:24 < blindy> I think that's fine
10:25 < rxr> and if if you try to deactivate an unactive interface (normally resulting in tons of ip and iptables error messages anyway)
10:26 < blindy> I expected this to be true already >_<
10:26 < rxr> no clifford defined ROCK Net to silently ignore not existing interfaces / profiles
10:27 < rxr> as feature
10:27 < rxr> so, now you get:
10:27 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 
10:27 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is already marked active, it is probably a good idea to
10:27 < rxr> take it down before activating it. Use -force to suppress this warning.
10:27 < rxr> # ./ifdown eth0 rlc 
10:27 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is not listed active, it is probably a good idea to
10:27 < rxr> activate it before deactivating it. Use -force to suppress this warning.
10:28 < rxr> and rocknet tells what it did:
10:28 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 
10:28 < rxr> Interface / profile matched: eth0(rlc)
10:28 < rxr> and when the interface was not present:
10:29 < rxr> # ./ifup hackme0  
10:29 < rxr> Unknown interface for profile: 'hackme0'
10:29 < rxr> (silently ignored before)
10:29 < rxr> and then the profile does not exist:
10:29 < blindy> hmm
10:29 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 hackprofile
10:29 < rxr> Unknown profile: 'hackprofile'
10:29 < rxr> (sliently ingnored before:
10:29 < rxr> )
10:30 < blindy> it would probably be nice to add -q,--quiet
10:30 < blindy> for init-scripts or probing
10:30 < rxr> there is no probing case
10:30 < blindy> but when used from a commandline it should say that it failed
10:30 < rxr> and for the init script I want to see what it did
10:31 < SMP> yeah, wait till you have 200 vlan interfaces :>
10:31 < blindy> just add a -q, it doesn't hurt and doesn't need to do more than: `exec >/dev/null 2>/dev/null`
10:31 < rxr> SMP: do you have such configs?
10:31 < blindy> oh, cool
10:31 < blindy> svn segfaulted
10:31 < SMP> rxr: no. so?
10:32 < rxr> I do not think the init scripts should be quite per default
10:32 < rxr> I expect the init script to tell me what it activated
10:32 < blindy> no, but they should support silence
10:33 < rxr> for load balancing the workload, you are free to add it
10:34 < blindy> ok, I will add the following line to argument parsing: q) exec >/dev/null 2>/dev/null ;;
10:34 < rxr> I would reject
10:34 < rxr> it 
10:35 < rxr> critical errors shoudl still be displayed
10:35 < rxr> including errors during parsing (unknown keywords)
10:35 < blindy> *shrugs*
10:35 < blindy> hmm
10:35 < blindy> ok, I'll think of something
10:35 < rxr> slient=1
10:35 < rxr> and conditional the warnings ...
10:36 < rxr> but rocknet does not yet include argument parsing (it hard uses the first 3 arguments
10:36 < rxr> although is also no problem to add the while loop, I alrady have enough on the TODO
10:36 < blindy> either that, or open a third fd for critical error messages... nah... that would be messy
10:37 < blindy> I'll think of something as soon as I have submitted the LVP update to 0.4.1-final
10:37 < blindy> have to update svn before that (already running)
10:52 < rxr> aha:
10:52 < rxr> Auto*
10:52 < rxr> 2004/02/15 20:40:45 CET: the automake/autoconf system has been removed from CVS due to lack of maintenance (and interest thereof among the active developers). This system has been replace by SCons, which is capable of building Blender on several systems, also those where auto* can't be found. 
10:52 < rxr>  
10:52 < rxr>  
10:52 < rxr> Both the NAN_* makefiles and SCons (and the project files for MSVC) are actively maintained and they will be for now the only build systems that are supported.
10:53 < dsoul> lol
10:59 < blindy> damn... hit a svn bug >_<
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11:03 < rxr> hi Lorini 
11:03 < Lorini> hi rxr
11:05 < blindy> moin Lorini 
11:05 < dsoul> hi Lorini 
11:05 < Lorini> hi blindy, dsoul :)
11:18 < blindy> tagging LVP 0.4.1
11:27 < daja77> re
11:31 < dsoul> hi daja77 
11:31 < netrunner> hi Lorini 
11:31 < Lorini> huhu netrunner
11:40 < rxr> oh my - I have to edit blender ...
11:40 < daja77> sounds like fun ...
11:41 < rxr> yes - big fun
11:41 < rxr> fixing other peoples vector remplates
11:41 < daja77> hrhr
11:41 < netrunner> how can I do linebreaks in latex \[ ... \] env ?
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11:44 < daja77> netrunner: \\?
11:48 < rxr> hm - the gcc34 patch for blender will nto be that small
11:50 < netrunner> daja77: doesn't break, is simply ignored.
11:50 < daja77> iirc \\ is just a shortcut, but forgot the long version
11:52 < rxr> error: no matching function for call
11:52 < rxr> how I love this one
11:52 < rxr> (the next GCC major update that required code changes will be fixed my me only warning about it - so the people can fix their code alone ...)I
11:53 < daja77> remember blender has been a commercial project ...
11:57 < rxr> yeah - extern/solid has built now
12:37 < th> daja77: \\[*][margin]
12:39 < th> uhh seems that we don't have necessary userland tools for LVM2
12:54 < rxr> uhh - the beldern peoüple shoudl really clean and rewrite this Makefile mess ...
12:55  * th donates rxr a new keyboard...
12:55 < rxr> oh ...
12:55 < rxr> I shoudl actually take a look on the screen before I hit enter
12:56 < rxr> should even - *lol*
12:56 < th> ;0]
12:56 < rxr> those Makefiles drive me crazy ..
13:00  * daja77 gives rxr some pills to relax
13:03 < rxr> oh my - now linking fails with:
13:03 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/python2.2/config/libpython2.2.a: No such file or directory
13:04 < daja77> O_O
13:04 < rxr> oh - my - this is python_2.3_
13:04 < rxr> damn crap hardcoded and missing crap all over those files
13:04 < rxr> who is suppost to compile this :-(
13:04  * daja77 notes that rxr does not follow his plan any longer
13:04 < rxr> ah yes forgot, the harder it is to build the better it can be slod
13:05 < rxr> daja77: ah yes - this nice plan sure it is great
13:05 < rxr> but not when I waste too much time fixing a single package to build ...
13:05 < daja77> it is more fun to rant :D
13:06 < rxr> ah $(NAN_PYTHON_VERSION)
13:07 < rxr> oh my - THIS IS HARDCODED IN A ifeq ($(OS),xyz) monster table
13:08 < rxr> different for each os ...
13:08 < rxr>  :-(((((((((((((
13:08 < LowLander> no wonder NaN went broke :-)
13:08 < daja77> waah
13:08  * LowLander waits on fake's live-Cd :-)
13:08 < daja77> guess even autoconf would have been smarter
13:09  * rxr hardcodes this to PYVER as used in ROCK :-(
13:12 < rxr> ah no - just overwrite it .. 
13:13 < rxr> wow - lots of undefined references
13:13  * rxr why have I feared this ...
13:14 < rxr> hm - openal's fault
13:14 < rxr> ah - not openal is linked ok ...
13:15 < rxr> argh - they link statically?
13:16 < fake> moin
13:16 < rxr> argh
13:16 < rxr>   ifeq ($(OS),$(findstring $(OS), "freebsd linux windows"))
13:16 < rxr>     ifeq ($(CPU),$(findstring $(CPU), "i386 powerpc"))
13:16 < rxr> wow - you only get openal support on i386 and powerpc
13:17 < rxr> neither alpha, arm, mips, ia64 ...
13:17 < fake> but on windows/ppc, too!
13:17 < fake> ;)
13:17  * rxr is at the ponit considering rm -rf blender*
13:18 < fake> rxr: before you do that, we could use the binary packages
13:18 < rxr> I do not want to use it
13:18 < rxr> I wanted the pacakge to build w/ gcc-3.4
13:18 < fake> iirc, there even is a binary package for mips?
13:18  * rxr does not care about binaries
13:19 < fake> *AHEM* syslinuxmurmel
13:20 < LowLander> hey fake hows things going ?
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13:21 < Lorini> wb netrunner
13:21 < daja77> hi Lorini 
13:22 < Lorini> huhu daja :)
13:22 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/libGL.a: No such file or directory
13:22 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/libGLU.a: No such file or directory
13:23 < blindy> sounds reasonable
13:23  * blindy remembers these problems with LVP
13:25 < daja77> /usr/X11/lib/libGL.a perhaps
13:25 < rxr> we have do not have static versions of those
13:25  * rxr now patched away the blenderstatic target
13:25 < rxr> I do only want a dynamic version anyway ...
13:25 < rxr> ok
13:25 < rxr> linked
13:25 < rxr> done
13:25 < rxr> finally
13:26  * rxr creating a huge patch
13:27 < dsoul> rxr more than 10mb?:)
13:27 < rxr> no
13:27 < dsoul> so its small :P
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14:04 < netrunner> rxr: I want to package netperf ... it puts the binaries to /opt/netperf/ by default, shall I change this?
14:04 < netrunner> (to /usr/bin eg)
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14:15 < rxr> yes
14:15 < rxr> honor $prefix
14:17 < netrunner> is ${prefix} valid in a makefile?
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14:31 < rxr> $(prefix) should be
14:33  * daja77 trying to apply this garbeld patchfile from the libsdl ppl
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14:48 < daja77> damn why the hack someone posts a patch in quoted-printable
14:59 < rxr> and me not why people laik da wrait za kool
15:00 < rxr> rdml
15:01 < LowLander> because da ppl watch da MTV to much
15:01 < daja77> huh?
15:02 < LowLander> its like the trolls on heise
15:02 < LowLander> if you can't spell you hide it by talk da c00l
15:02 < rxr> rock-devel mailing list
15:03 < LowLander> rxr the funny thing is always that ppl get pissed and offended when you say something and in the end still want something from you
15:04 < LowLander> "yer an ass for pointing out my spelling, now give me the software"
15:04 < rxr> ,-)
15:05 < LowLander> its like "those fucking open source programmers don't even want to add my feature that i need and don't want to program myself"
15:06 < LowLander> so fake where is my live-CD ;-)
15:07 < rxr> ;-)
15:08 < tcr> Is google responding very slowly to you, too?
15:08 < tcr> It just answered a ping after >200ms
15:08 < LowLander> google.de feels kind of slow yeah
15:08 < daja77> rxr: *shrug* don't care about javito anyway
15:09 < rxr> daja77: do you know him?
15:09 < LowLander> google.com is a lot faster
15:10 < daja77> he was in this chan before
15:10 < daja77> according to mike, a hacker wannabe with no clue
15:10 < daja77> he is from .cr too
15:10 < LowLander> rxr is the live-cd stuff from fake going to be added to svn ?
15:10 < tcr> LowLander, Well, I'm automatically redirected to .de
15:11 < LowLander> oops add a "when" there
15:11 < daja77> and if he is fine with gentoo why is he bothering us with that shit
15:11 < rxr> LowLander: I think so
15:11 < LowLander> tcr click the link to .com on the page
15:12  * LowLander hates that from google, that they redirect you to a .de or .nl or where ever
15:12 < LowLander> if i type.com i want .com
15:13 < tcr> Well, you have to consider that a service
15:13 < tcr> at least for the majority of people, anyway :)
15:13 < LowLander> rxr cause the live-CD sounds like a good base for what i want, and i would rather build on that that start from scratch and do work double
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15:14 < rxr> LowLander: yep - a live-cd is on our todo for a too long time now
15:15 < nzg> moin 
15:15 < rxr> fakes code should go in - if not his, at least a reviewed one - but I'm confident that fake's code will ok
15:16  * LowLander is just randomly collecting stuff for his project, now i am playing with postnuke
15:16 < tcr> LowLander, What for?
15:17 < LowLander> tcr how do you mean "what for"
15:17 < tcr> LowLander, What you think you need postnuke for?
15:17 < LowLander> website
15:18 < LowLander> not in ROCK , just in general
15:18 < tcr> Oh, I thought as toilet paper... ;) Of course, for a website, but I think postnuke is overrated and mostly inappriate
15:19 < tcr> So my question is what you need postnuke for. As content manager?
15:19 < netrunner> LowLander: .com has nothing to do with the language. .us and .uk are english countries. .com is just company, and even non-english spoken countries have companies :)
15:19 < LowLander> netrunner, i know ;-P
15:20 < LowLander> netrunner, i just wanted to point out i don't like to be redirected from .com to .de and than have to click a link to get back at .com
15:20 < daja77> netrunner: the focus is us companies, companies in other countries should have sth like .co.uk, but that's all theory of course
15:20 < LowLander> tcr hmmm postnuke is pretty easy to setup
15:21 < LowLander> tcr but i am just looking at CMS stuff , typo3 seemed like a serious overkill
15:21 < LowLander> some other were just crap
15:21 < tcr> LowLander, I'd most probably just set up a small wiki with generic template stuff. That suffices for most things
15:22 < LowLander> tcr whats wrong with postnuke ? :-)
15:23 < tcr> I personally find it blowed up; don't like sites running it. Of course, this is a purely personal opinion. YMMV
15:23 < LowLander> well it is not really a CMS, but does most things i like to have
15:24 < LowLander> like msg-board, news, downloads, and multiperson management
15:25 < tcr> I don't know about your project, but I'd say that you won't need neither of those for close time :) 
15:26 < tcr> I'm a little purist on such things and like to evolve from simple things to more advanced one. 
15:26 < tcr> Howsoever, don't wanna to get into the stuff of yours ;)
15:27 < LowLander> well i have the experiance that the start simple and move to more complex is the "i want to do everything myself" syndrome and costs more time in the end ;-)
15:27 < tcr> That's why I suggested using a wiki. Most come with a simple user authorization scheme
15:28  * netrunner getting fluent in c++/qt :)
15:28 < LowLander> netrunner, poor you ;-)
15:29 < netrunner> LowLander: why? 
15:29 < LowLander> cause i don't like Qt :-)
15:29 < LowLander> C++ is good though
15:30 < tcr> I disagree heartly (about the latter). :)
15:34 < LowLander> :-P
15:35  * LowLander sends tcr back to his VB ;-P
15:35 < tcr> Visual Basic?
15:37  * netrunner thinks it's ok. 
15:37 < LowLander> yeah i mean most of the time i hear ppl don'T like C++ they end up being VBS "programmers"
15:37 < LowLander> or they end up being those pesky C purists ;-)
15:37 < tcr> I can't remember having anytime had anything to do with visual basic
15:38 < tcr> Don't be too narrow-bounded
15:38 < LowLander> just kidding
15:39 < rxr> tcr: yes - all mighty leader  - you are the best and only one
15:39 < LowLander> everything has its place (not sure about VB though)
15:39 < rxr> now sit down
15:39 < tcr> LowLander, Oh sorry didn't see the smiley :)
15:39 < tcr> rxr: Eh, what's your problem?
15:40  * LowLander slowly back away from rxr and tcr :-)
15:40 < LowLander> backs
15:41 < tcr> There are far too many out there believing that the world only consists of C/C++ 
15:42 < netrunner> well, it's based on it :)
15:43 < rxr> Exception handling is not my problem, tcr.
15:44 < tcr> rxr: Sorry, I do not understand ?
15:44 < LowLander> tcr i like Python too :-P
15:44 < LowLander> perl is not my thing though
15:46 < rxr> tcr: Oh , you do not understand? Narrow minded?
15:47 < rxr> oh - this are many releases in short time:
15:47 < rxr> http://www.sparc-boot.org/pub/silo/
15:51 < tcr> rxr: I'm sorry but my understanding of narrow-minded doesn't match to yours. 
15:51 < tcr> rxr: Could you please tell me why you keep on being rush to me? 
15:52 < tcr> I don't remember having offended you in any way. Did I?
15:52 < rxr> because of your unqualified comments on rock-user, tcr?
15:58 < tcr> Why do you think was my mail unqualified?
16:00 < tcr> And why didn't you replied to the places which considered unqualified or which you didn't agree to instead of being pesky to me here?
16:00 < daja77> it is e.g. quite unprofessional to say in public that you don't think rock is a meta distro, without having ever said why in public too, instead asking people to join your private club, besides from not having contributed for a long time either
16:01 < rxr> because I see no point in flaming rock-user just to speak to somewone who is not listen anyway
16:02 < tcr> rxr: Actually it was my intent to stop the flaming between you and the other guy
16:03 < rxr> might it be the case that you have some farther syndrome 
16:03 < tcr> daja77, I don't think that has anything to do with professionality in any way, and I didn't say that
16:04  * rxr has no time for this talking
16:04 < tcr> I actually neither atm
16:05  * rxr wonder why you then started this "I'm the best leader of the world and anyone else narrow minded thing again ...)
16:05 < daja77> If you, dear Ryan, happen to be nontheless interessed in some
16:05 < daja77> meta-distribution concept far beyond Gentoo, then contact myself
16:05 < daja77> privately and I think we could have some nice chat about.
16:05 < daja77> from your mail ...
16:06 < tcr> So what's wrong with that? 
16:06 < daja77> and a bit earlier you said that rock linux does not match your personal standards for meta distribution
16:07 < tcr> I thought it's far better not contributing anything more to that thread and let it die 
16:08 < daja77> it sounds like you are the wise guy, inviting ppl to your private party, and let the other dumb ppl continueing their wrong way
16:08 < tcr> And not to force him to claim his personal position to the rock ml with which he had a conflict (bad term, sorry can't think of a better one now)
16:09 < tcr> Well, it's right that I don't think ROCK as it is at the moment is a Real DBK. What's wrong with that? Given that you and me also think that Gentoo isn't a Real DBK and Rock is far closer to it. Why would you want to claim that right to you only what is when a Real DBK (which is a kind of platonic ideal)
16:11 < tcr> And for the record he didn't ever contact me privately; so he really isn't interested in a far more interesting concept of a metadistribution than gentoo. Well, then let him stuck and die with it :)
16:11 < daja77> i don't care if you think it is or not, I'd like to know why and i want it to hear in public, this pretending to know better without supplying info sounds quite jerky to me
16:12 < tcr> If you're fine with it, what's your problem with me then anyway?
16:13 < daja77> could yous start reading whole sentences
16:13 < daja77> please
16:13 < tcr> I'm sorry have to go
16:14 < rxr> yes as always "I know all better" "Yes, what?" "Oh - I have to go now."
16:15 < tcr> I don't think as always is in any way justified
16:15 < tcr> I'll write my issues down but not now, ok please? :) 
16:15  * LowLander gets some popcorn and enjoys the show
16:16 < tcr> You should also look around me and ask others what their issues are
16:16  * rxr already smilles with a cup tea in one hand, too
16:16 < daja77> what?
16:16 < rxr> issues with what?
16:16 < tcr> Anyway. See you later
16:16 < LowLander> cy
16:16 < LowLander> cya
16:16 < daja77> if ppl have issues with us, they are welcome to tell us
16:17 < daja77> sheeesh what a nonsense
16:17 < tcr> Yeah, like mnemoc or jimmy. Both raised things recenlty and in past without much feedback
16:17 < tcr> That's very sad 
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16:17 < LowLander> hmm what was his problem ?
16:17 < rxr> hopefully for a longer time - pugh
16:18 < daja77> i have no idea
16:18 < LowLander> doesn't like current "management" or something like that ?
16:18  * rxr does not know his problems either - but I can not stand ranitng people without any value ...
16:19 < rxr> "I do not want svn - I want arch; I don't like ROCK, I want me own" ...
16:19 < LowLander> so whats the problem, just do that than
16:19 < netrunner>  .o( blindy does not like blindy, bot what does he want ? ;)
16:20 < rxr> LowLander: what was a citation
16:20 < daja77> we could ask mnemoc if he feels ignored
16:20 < rxr> I can only imagine this local thing - but I see no need for it
16:20 < rxr> and many other don't seem to, too
16:20 < rxr> if they need it they can keep this 5 line modification in a branch ...
16:20 < rxr> no big deal
16:21 < daja77> and i remember having read discussions with jimmy on ml too, so what's this shit all about
16:21 < rxr> aside that I think this local proposal does not fit into the framework in any way
16:21  * LowLander is kind of lost now
16:21 < daja77> LowLander: don't worry
16:22 < rxr> mabe just that this 16 year old need to demonstrate itself
16:22 < LowLander> from an embeeded point of view better cross-building would  be nice 
16:22 < rxr> yes
16:22 < rxr> this is why it is on the TODO ... ;-)
16:22 < daja77> :)
16:22 < LowLander> good
16:22 < rxr> well discussed just waiting for someone with some time to spend
16:23 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/
16:23 < LowLander> well i am not deep enough in it to do anything "useful"
16:23 < daja77> ah hat reminds me
16:24 < daja77> oh no forget it 
16:24 < daja77> <- coffee nervous
16:24 < LowLander> rxr hows the manual for target building going ? :-)
16:25 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&id=2
16:25 < rxr> cross compile is so high on the todo that it was the 2nd bug/feature entered in flyspray ;-)
16:26 < rxr> ah - no the first ;-) there does not seem to be an id=1 ...
16:26 < daja77> *gg*
16:26 < LowLander> hehe
16:26 < LowLander> rxr is there any problem with x-compiling (ppart from time)
16:27 < rxr> we need to restructe some things and need some more infrastructure for this (e.g. helper programs need to be available in an host version uic and so
16:27 < LowLander> yeah
16:27 < rxr> this just needs some ROCK developer do add it ... ;-)
16:29  * rxr starting to hate blender
16:29 < rxr> the day started so productive - and then came blender
16:30 < daja77> i know that feeling
16:31 < rolla> re
16:31 < daja77> hi rolla 
16:31 < rolla> hallo
16:31 < rxr> hi rolla 
16:34 < LowLander> rxr so skip blender
16:34  * daja77 agrees
16:35 < LowLander> ok guy have to get some "real" work done ,cya
16:38 < togg> mnemoc: how can i enable runit + socklog?
16:38 < togg> mnemoc: i use sysvinit atm
16:39 < togg> if I add them to package selection they are still not built
17:46 < mnemoc> togg: Config -> pkgsel -> X runit \n X socklog \n X ipsvd
17:46 < mnemoc> rxr: hi
17:46 < mnemoc> i got the old damn mount problem with a jsut created bootdisk (2.0-stable)
17:47 < togg> mnemoc: ipsvd?
17:47 < mnemoc> inetd/tcpserver replacement :)
17:48 < togg> i just want an stable remote logger :)
17:48 < togg> with local logging when no remote is available
17:48 < daja77> mnemoc: have we ignored you?
17:48 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
17:48 < togg> i dont know if it is easy to change from sysvinit to runit???
17:48 < mnemoc> daja77: what do u mean?
17:49 < mnemoc> easy enough
17:49 < daja77> just wondering, tcr said we were ignoring you
17:49 < mnemoc> oh
17:50 < mnemoc> togg: on a rock?
17:53 < mnemoc> daja77: i don't know, at least i don't feel ignored :)
17:53 < daja77> good :)
17:56 < togg> mnemoc: of course on rock
17:56 < togg> i saw your package ;) thats why I ask u 
17:57 < mnemoc> if you are building a new rock, and you enable ruint and disable sysvinit it just work :p
17:57 < mnemoc> Emerging it will work too
17:57 < togg> ;)
17:57 < mnemoc> but you will need to do the symlinks yourself
17:57 < togg> symlinks in etc/init.d ? 
17:58 < togg> does runit restart crashed services?
17:59 < togg> I cant change too easy to runit since I use SuSe Init Scripts :D
17:59 < mnemoc> just as daemontools
18:00 < mnemoc> runit (on rock) installs it's ow init scripts for the services i have added :)
18:01 < togg> I will first try to run the socklog without runit
18:01 < mnemoc> it uses svlogd from runit
18:01 < togg> hmm but it doesnt require to be startet from runit?
18:02 < togg> I mean does it required that the whole system is bootet with runit
18:02 < mnemoc> i think you can run runsv by hand
18:04 < mnemoc> socklog output /dev/log to be catched by svlogd, then a ./run ./log/run schema is needed
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18:13 < MadTux> moin.
18:13 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
18:13 < daja77> args
18:13 < mnemoc> :)
18:13 < daja77> hi MadTux 
18:14 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 
18:14 < MadTux> hi mr gates..
18:14 < MadTux> i mean daja77 
18:14 < MadTux> hello mnemoc-chan
18:14 < daja77> gates?
18:14 < MadTux> it will come to u 
18:14 < MadTux> :)
18:14 < daja77> waaah
18:14 < MadTux> :P
18:14 < daja77> this day is cursed
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18:15 < MadTux> hallo tiefengrund 
18:15 < MadTux> daja77: why?
18:15 < daja77> everything fscks up here
18:16 < tiefengrund> hallo MadTux 
18:16 < MadTux> daja77: huh?! what's wrong?
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18:33 < togg> is anybody using gcc33 yet for rock ?
18:33 < daja77> MadTux: i tell you when i found out
18:33 < MadTux> ok daja77 
18:33 < MadTux> btw good news... my ultra is powered by rock linux since last night
18:33 < daja77> cool
18:35 < MadTux> rock 1.5.17-Mike
18:37 < MadTux> not many here will understand the meaning of using that specific version... i guess rolla will remember
18:38 < MadTux> plus to the fact that i still have no 1.7 / 2.0 iso from rxr
18:42 < rxr> MadTux: that should "the meaning" of this version bee ?
18:44 < mnemoc> improved sparc support?
18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: the damn mount bug still present :|
18:45 < daja77> which mount bug=
18:45 < MadTux> rxr: basically it was a very stable personal tree of mine :)
18:45 < MadTux> hi rxr btw
18:47 < rxr> yeah - hi MadTux 
18:49 < MadTux> rxr: i guess u haven't get the chance to do sparc stuff yet
18:49 < mnemoc> daja77: bootdisk which can mount cd even after it boot from it
18:49 < daja77> i thought you got newr stuff by blindy
18:50 < daja77> oh haven't tried recent bootdisks
18:51 < daja77> why the heck I stumble over a autoconf issue from 2001!!!1
18:52 < MadTux> daja77: i'm getting blindy's sparc gem as we speak..
18:52 < daja77> ah good
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19:00 < rxr> anyone interested fixing gcc-3.4's:
19:00 < rxr> error: label at end of compound statement
19:00 < rxr> only these are left:
19:01 < rxr> ßammonite10.err:sock.c:711
19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:58
19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:76
19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:94
19:01 < rxr> gnome
19:01 < rxr> guppi.err:guppi
19:01 < rxr> mjpegtools.err:lavpipe.c:585
19:01 < rxr> quick
19:01 < rxr> soundtracker.err:keys.c:768
19:01 < rxr> xconq.err:tkmain.c:1384
19:01 < togg> mnemoc: why do you use such crappy pathes for your packages?
19:01 < togg> why not /usr/bin ?
19:01 < rxr> oops - slightly crippled if anyone wants to see the correcct list just ask ...
19:02 < mnemoc> that crappy pathes are the choosen by DJB
19:03 < mnemoc> togg: on config you can disable his file hierarchy
19:03  * MadTux .oO( i never though iw ould live to see someone tell that to mnemoc )
19:04 < mnemoc> rock honors author desitions ... by default :p
19:04 < togg> you use lol ok
19:04 < togg> -you use
19:06 < mnemoc> =)
19:07 < MadTux> --> < hardave> Hell, I had someone take a scsi u5 and use it as an oracle
19:07 < MadTux>                  server!
19:07 < daja77> hehe
19:07 < MadTux> and i though i had seen crazy things..
19:11 < togg> mnemoc: your djb-config looks weird :)
19:11 < togg> can you give me a hint which line to add the thing to build normal pathes?
19:11 < daja77> huh, strange thing the gtk.m4 files for aclocal seems to be missing in this rock here O_o
19:13 < netrunner> $root=/ ?? or is $prefix=/usr and $root='' ?
19:13 < mnemoc> togg: you don't want to read it :p
19:14 < mnemoc> togg: Config -> expert -> DJB s.th -> don't use /package, blah blah blah
19:14 < mnemoc> togg: but i have never tested it :p
19:15 < togg> so easy? ;)
19:15 < togg> kewl
19:15 < mnemoc> that's why i needed that weird djb-config :p
19:16 < togg> you bash nerd ;)
19:16 < mnemoc> me? :(
19:16 < togg> nono :) 
19:16 < togg> its nice work :)
19:16 < MadTux> togg: u do realize that rock src is mostly made in bash right?
19:16 < togg> MadTux: Thats why i like it ;)
19:17 < MadTux> good.
19:17 < MadTux> hi nety btw
19:18 < togg> I took the wrong word, i didnt meant nerd but sthg like expert
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19:26 < togg> mnemoc: i get an error?
19:26 < togg> Copying commands to $altdir...
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:97 (last $?=0)> pkg_djb_commanddir=/sbin
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:98 (last $?=0)> y=pkg_djb_safecopy
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:100 (last $?=0)> mkdir -p /sbin
19:26 < togg> ====[pkg_djb_installpackage:1 (last $?=0)> cat package/commands
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:102 (last $?=0)> pkg_djb_safecopy /admin/runit-1.0.0/command /sbin chpst
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:56 (last $?=0)> echo ''\''/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst'\'' -> '\''/sbin/chpst'\'''
19:26 < togg> '/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst' -> '/sbin/chpst'
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:57 (last $?=0)> rm -f '/sbin/chpst{new}'
19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:58 (last $?=0)> cp -p /admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst '/sbin/chpst{new}'
19:26 < togg> cp: cannot stat `/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst': No such file or directory
19:26 < togg> --- BUILD ERROR ---
19:29 < netrunner> hi Maddy btw, 2 :P
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20:09 < MadTux> re.
20:10 < daja77> wb
20:10 < MadTux> thx
20:11 < MadTux> daja77: so any updates on ur gcc-3 work?
20:12 < Lorini> hi MadTux
20:12 < daja77> i still struggle with libsdl
20:12 < MadTux> Lorini: !!!
20:12 < Lorini> :))
20:12 < MadTux> daja77: mm... guess u are not having fun anymore
20:12 < MadTux> Lorini: how are u ?
20:12 < Lorini> great :)
20:13 < daja77> MadTux: no one of there devs created a patch from cvs, which is a autgenerated mess and does not apply
20:13 < MadTux> i see
20:15 < daja77> will see if i fix that crap myself
20:15 < MadTux> yeah show them how it must be done
20:15 < MadTux> :)
20:16  * daja77 off now eating and driving home
20:17 < MadTux> cya daja77 
20:18 < blindy> hi
20:18 < MadTux> hi blindy
20:18 < blindy> hi MadTux 
20:18 < MadTux> blindy: i'm almost done getting the .gems
20:20 < blindy> nice
20:20 < blindy> I got more upstream on monday
20:20 < blindy> netrunner: I don't like me? hoeh?
20:20 < MadTux> blindy: but we still need bootable isos..
20:21 < netrunner> blindy: uh don't do that :)
20:23 < blindy> netrunner: what? reading backlog?
20:27 < netrunner> jup :)
20:27 < blindy> why?
20:28 < blindy> you're badmouthing me and I want to know
20:28 < blindy> simple as thath
20:28  * MadTux ready to see blood
20:36 < netrunner> MadTux: you vampire!
20:37 < MadTux> .oO( OMG.. he knows.. )
20:37 < mnemoc> re
20:37 < mnemoc> this build stinks :\
20:38 < blindy> yeah, I can smell it
20:38 < MadTux> its not the build ... its the box..
20:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: take the cheese out, it's from last week!
20:44  * blindy getting another beer
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20:53 < mnemoc> aaarg!!! this s.th sucks
20:55 < MadTux> mnemoc: stop complaining.. code!
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21:20 < owl> moin
21:20 < MadTux> owlita!
21:21 < owl> hi Miguel
21:21 < blindy> moin moin owly
21:22 < owl> hi blindy
21:27 < owl> hmmmmm.... ripperx is sweet... 
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21:34  * blindy getting himself another beer
22:09 < blindy> n9
22:09 < blindy> n8
22:09 < daja77> re
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23:57 < daja77> n8 you all
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