--- Log opened Fri May 14 00:00:47 2004
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01:16 < MadTux> re
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01:35 < MadTux> hi SMP
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02:55 < nzg> moin 
02:57 < MadTux> moin nzg
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03:06 < MadTux> http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,63441,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
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03:18 < esden|zZz> hi ho everyone alive ;)
03:18 < nzg> ;-)
03:18 < esden|zZz> ohh ... someone still alive ... amazing!
03:19 < esden|zZz> hi nzg 
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03:19 < nzg> hi esden
03:19 < esden> hmm you seem to be new to this channel here?
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03:19 < esden> hi kasc!
03:20 < esden> or is it only a ghost?
03:20 < nzg> yes i am
03:20 < esden> tell me about yourself ;) ... (be aware that I am in a pretty bad shape at the moment ;) )
03:20 < nzg> but since my school is over i thought about getting deeper into rock
03:21 < esden> ahh nice!
03:22 < nzg> so i started hangig around here
03:22 < esden> have you already installed rock?
03:22 < nzg> yes, IIRC about for two years now
03:23 < esden> ohh so you are not new to rock
03:23 < esden> nice to know
03:23 < nzg> currently ist the isos of 2.0rc2 with some updates to kde sdl and wxWidgets
03:24 < nzg> at least not to using it
03:24 < nzg> i think it was may 02 when i was looking for a distibution that installed easily and that was fast
03:25 < nzg> i tried three or four until i found rock and stayed
03:25 < MadTux> hi esden
03:26 < nzg> moin  MadTux
03:26 < esden> that is mostly the way people take ... my way was ... suse, debian and then rock ... then fedora for my laptop but that is an other story
03:26 < esden> HI MadTux !!!!!
03:26 < esden> ahh very well apeiron is now compiling! ;)
03:27 < MadTux> esden, wtf are u doing up this late?
03:27 < esden> hehe ... I was at a party!
03:28 < esden> ;)
03:28 < MadTux> esden, drunken?
03:28 < esden> it was fun ... I am drunk but still able to code ;)
03:28 < nzg> hm lets recall i think it was suse, SoL, freebsd, debian on my server, and Suse, Rock on my Main PC
03:28 < MadTux> esden, well u must have been drunk when u diet the dietlibc target
03:28 < MadTux> or stoned :)
03:28 < esden> I have now rock on my main box and fedora on my laptop
03:28 < nzg> are you able to read the code in the next morning an understand what you wrote?
03:29 < esden> fedora has the positive side that it simply works after installing on a laptop ... without much hacking
03:29 < MadTux> esden, you did actually liked fedora didn't u ?
03:29 < nzg> rock on my desk, an very old suse (6.0) on my server
03:30 < esden> nzg: I am sure that I will read my code tomorrow and be very mad at myself what I coded ;)
03:30 < esden> about ... what I coded
03:30 < esden> *sigh* my natural language skills are bad now!
03:30 < esden> *grr*
03:31 < nzg> ;-) i've some pieces around that somehow worked the next morning and took me very long to understand why...
03:31 < esden> hehe ... that is the alcohol/weed that makes your code work but you do not understand next morning why ... 
03:31 < esden> that are very mad things ...
03:32  * esden commited a patch to apeiron ... I am sure I will be killed for that ;)
03:32 < nzg> jep ;-)
03:33 < esden> I am glad that I do not have write access to the e17 cvs ... otherwise I wiould be really dead next morning ;)
03:33 < nzg> why?
03:33 < esden> argh ... why don't they use svn on sf ... 
03:33 < esden> that is really ununderstandable
03:34 < nzg> don't use enlightenment
03:34 < nzg> i used blackbox till autumn and xfce since then
03:35 < esden> nzg: you have not seen what e17 is able to do!
03:35 < esden> that is why you do not use it
03:35 < esden> it is amazing 
03:35 < MadTux> esden, query?
03:35 < esden> raster is veeeeery ill ;) and cool... that stuff makes me nearly cum
03:36 < MadTux> omg...
03:36 < nzg> raster?
03:36 < MadTux> esden, some of us have a lot of imagination pleae be carefull with ur comments... u could cause me psico problems
03:37 < esden> ohh poor MadTux ;)
03:37 < esden> nzg: raster is the guy at enlightenment ... he wrote 70% of the code
03:37 < esden> he is the founder of the project
03:37 < nzg> ah
03:37 < esden> very very ill guy ... but cool!!!
03:40 < esden> is there dict in rock?
03:40 < nzg> xsteak
03:40 < esden> nzg: ?? o_O
03:40 < nzg> a dictionary
03:40 < nzg> thought you meaned that ;-)
03:41 < esden> is that querying online dictionarys?
03:41 < nzg> no, the dicts are on your disc
03:42 < esden> humm ... ok emerging it
03:42 < esden> let's see what it can do
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03:44 < nzg> it sufficient for most words
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03:44 < esden> what does 'iie' mean?
03:44 < esden> does anyone of you know?
03:45 < nzg> In Internet Explorer? ;-)
03:45 < esden> nzg: but I need acronymes
03:45 < nzg> hm
03:45 < esden> nzg: no .. that is not it
03:45 < nzg> If I Expect?
03:46 < nzg> mmh, i had a big arconym-site once...
03:46 < nzg> mmh
03:48 < nzg> integrated information environment
03:49 < esden> 'iie' (in roman letters) means in japanese 'no'
03:50 < nzg> IIe - type of Apple microcomputer (also II+, IIc, IIgs) 
03:50 < nzg> ;-)
03:50 < esden> lol!
03:51 < nzg> and a lot of things about emmigration etc
03:51 < esden> I think I have to create a rocklinux packet of dict anyways
03:51 < nzg> ;-)
03:55 < nzg> by the way, how do I create patches for new packages
03:56 < nzg> i have some one may find interesting
03:58 < esden> ahh nice there is a dict client in ruby
04:00 < esden> nzg: you create a submaster account .. chkeck out with submaster the newest rock tree ... and create the package .. then commit the patch using submaster ... 
04:00 < esden> but I have not created rock patches for a long time and that was before submaster was there ... so I think that I am the wrong person to ask :)
04:01 < esden> I only hope that it is the one thing that is good documented in rock
04:01 < nzg> i think i even dont have submaster installed...
04:01 < esden> MadTux: do you know something more exact?
04:01 < nzg> the documentenation ho to create the desc is quite good
04:01 < MadTux> mm.. ? scrolling back
04:02 < MadTux> well esden there have always been a rock linux patch guide..
04:02 < esden> o_O really? ;)
04:03 < MadTux> esden, well the fact the we don't need it doesn't mean that there isn't one
04:03 < MadTux> esden, remeber that u and i have been around for a long time already
04:04 < esden> but still I only know the old ways to submit patches ... I have never used submaster to commit a patch
04:04  * esden checking out the newest rl tree with submaster ... I have to test it ;)
04:04 < MadTux> esden, and u think i have?
04:04 < MadTux> i've been to busy for rock work in a long time
04:06 < esden> o_O there is no package for submaster in the stable release? o_O
04:06 < MadTux> huh!?
04:07 < nzg> == 05/14/04 04:06:00 =[9]=> Package submaster does not exist
04:08 < esden> nzg: yes that is what I mean
04:08 < nzg> ;-) i think i understand
04:08 < esden> nzg: http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html
04:09 < nzg> going to install it
04:10 < esden> argh fuck that damn machine went off once more ... that damn powersaving
04:10 < esden> I really have to switch it off tomorrow
04:12 < esden> ahh nice I still have an sm account
04:20 < nzg> Dumping revision 2880 from master (may take some time)...
04:22 < esden> huh???? why does 2.0 rock have subversion 0.35? o_O
04:23 < nzg> seems outdated...
04:23 < esden> yes pretty outdated!
04:23 < nzg> but iirc is submaster not that old
04:24 < esden> humm I think I have to update my rock to the unstable rock version ... then I am more up to date ;)
04:25 < esden> ok compiling subversion 0.35
04:25 < esden> that may take some time
04:25 < esden> ;)
04:26 < esden> hehe ... MadTux checked my time ;)
04:27 < nzg> should be around end of the week  ;-)
04:28 < esden> what should be around the end of the week? o_O
04:28  * esden too stupid for anything currently
04:28 < nzg> the time ;-)
04:28 < esden> yes that may be right ;)
04:28 < MadTux> esden?
04:29 < esden> nzg: hehe ... you are also in germany ... so your time is also pretty nasty ;)
04:29 < esden> finally:  Dumping revision 2880 from master (may take some time) ...
04:30 < esden> ahh ... Digitally Imported Chillout channel is very nice!!!
04:30 < nzg> ;-)
04:31 < nzg> just put some rolls in my oven... getting hungry now ;-)
04:33 < esden> 4
04:33 < esden> pus
04:33 < esden> ups
04:33 < esden> rolls?
04:33 < mnemoc> rehi
04:33 < nzg> "brötchen" 
04:33 < nzg> moin 
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04:34 < MadTux> mnemocy
04:35 < esdentem> re ... damn vserver
04:35 < esdentem> mnemocy?
04:35 < MadTux> yeah u know like esdy.. blindy
04:36 < esdentem> ahh ... ok
04:36 < mnemoc> what did i do?
04:36 < esdentem> mnemoc: you ... everything ... you are the root of all evil ;)
04:37 < mnemoc> me me me
04:38 < MadTux> yeah always u 
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04:39 < esdentem> why is the 'ROCK Linux Config - Package List' not sorted?!?!?!
04:39 < mnemoc> :(
04:39 < nzg> i want dsl...
04:39 < esdentem> I have a hardlink ... that is better then dsl ;)
04:41 < nzg> i have isdn, just better than modem or whistling in the phone
04:41 < esdentem> hehe ... wait a moment I have to get my email 
04:41  * esdentem whistling in a cellphone
04:42 < nzg> hey, thats mobillity ;-)
04:42 < mnemoc> i'm using a cool 28.8 modem
04:42 < esdentem> ahh nice ... that makes fun connecting to an ssl secured ppp deamon through whistling ;)
04:42 < esdentem> mnemoc: that is not leet ... you should use a 9600 modem ;)
04:43 < esdentem> hmm ... Configure is still so slow ...
04:44 < esdentem> Download required running
04:45  * nzg is gettin envious
04:46 < nzg> i think im going to copy my damn old downloads-folder once more
04:49 < esdentem> damn 300 kb/s download rate ... that is damn slow!!!
04:49 < esdentem> argh
04:50 < nzg> i would be satisfied with the half
04:51 < mnemoc> i would be satisfied with 10% of that
04:51 < esdentem> nzg: the server I am downloading from is practically in my internal network
04:51 < esdentem> I am in the dfn and the server too
04:51 < mnemoc> rxr: here
04:52 < esdentem> or even better ... I am connected directly to LRZ network and the server too
04:52 < nzg> hm
04:53 < nzg> i should go to university
04:54 < nzg> just for the internet connection ;-)
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04:56 < esdentem> nzg: that is one of the nice sides of being a student ;)
04:56  * esdentem brb
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04:56 < esden> re
04:57 < nzg> hm, yes but only with no costs for traffic
04:57 < nzg> wb
04:57 < esden> the server is back online
04:57 < esden> that is the negative side of that damn vservers ... they are cheep ... but pretty unreliable
04:59 < esden> *gnarf* how do I switch that pover saving on a sun machine!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:59 < MadTux> just change it on the BIOS ...
04:59  * MadTux waits for reaction
05:00  * esden makes a beauty operation with a chainsaw on MadTux's face ;)
05:00 < MadTux> :P
05:00 < MadTux> what did i do?
05:00 < esden> MadTux: that is called openbios or ok prompt
05:00 < MadTux> i'm just trying to help u 
05:00 < esden> and NO that is not in the ok prompt
05:00 < esden> but somewhere else
05:00 < MadTux> google it?
05:01 < esden> yes ... damn google ... I will try it
05:01 < MadTux> :)
05:06 < nzg> hm, sm seem to be really slow... it takes quite long for a few(about 10) files
05:11 < mnemoc> nzg: svn is slow, sm is built upon it
05:12 < nzg> mnemoc: mmh, k
05:12 < MadTux> AARRGGG!!! I can't concentrate!
05:13 < mnemoc> ravotril?
05:13 < MadTux> wtf?
05:13 < esden> humm ... I do not really find something ... 
05:13 < esden> damn google ... I thought they are the internet ... ;)
05:14 < mnemoc> MadTux: http://www.farmaciasahumada.cl/stores/fasa/html/Mft/producto/p3216.htm
05:14 < MadTux> mnemoc, i don't use pills
05:15 < mnemoc> well, you should try :)
05:15 < MadTux> no :)
05:15 < MadTux> I'm way TOO hyperactive for pills..
05:16 < mnemoc> go outside and run for couple of kilometers
05:18 < MadTux> haha
05:18 < esden> ok I have to edit /etc/power.conf
05:19 < esden> that seems to be the solution
05:19 < mnemoc> google finaly answer your question?
05:20 < mnemoc> uhm... i have to go :|
05:20 < mnemoc> cu esden, MadTux 
05:21 < MadTux> cu mnemoc-chan
05:21 < mnemoc> cu Tuxie
05:21 < MadTux> Maddy :)
05:22 < nzg> esden: got it..., thx
05:24 < esden> cu mnemoc 
05:24 < esden> nzg: what did you get?
05:24 < nzg> submitting packages
05:24 < esden> humm ... that is nasty ... there is no way to get the system up remotely ... 
05:24 < esden> I thought sun is better then intel
05:24 < esden> but _no_
05:24 < esden> :(
05:25 < esden> nzg: nice
05:25 < esden> nzg: what do you submit?
05:25 < nzg> giFT/Apollon and xrootconsole, more coming the need to be a bit cleared up before
05:26 < esden> what are that packages?
05:26 < nzg> arts for xmms / splint / zvbi
05:26 < nzg> kdetv
05:27 < nzg> just everything i found on the net i can use and what was not in a repo already
05:28 < esden> hehe ... pills ... I tryed some legal pills from a good rocklinux friend ... and master ... but as I saw that they produce a slight indication on a anfetamine test I stopped ;)
05:28 < esden> I hate to get problems with police!
05:29 < nzg> i keep with my caffeine...
05:29 < esden> even though the working chemical is only a legal derivate of amfetamine ...
05:29 < esden> _legal_!
05:30 < nzg> yea, but it seems to be similar
05:30 < esden> yes ... it is not indicated so well as amfetamine but still ...
05:30 < nzg> uh, there's light coming through my window ;-)
05:31 < esden> nzg: yours too?
05:31 < esden> ;)
05:31 < nzg> yep, i left it open because sun was already on the otherside of my house
05:32 < esden> nzg: you do not have clouds at your place?
05:32 < nzg> not exactly clouds, the sky is dark grey on the whole
05:33 < esden> so one big clout ... just like here at my place
05:33 < esden> nzg: where are you located exactly?
05:33 < nzg> "königswinter"
05:34 < nzg> at least during schooltime
05:34 < esden> o_O ... where is it? o_O
05:34 < nzg> but thats finally over in a few weeks an then i'll get back home
05:34 < nzg> near bonn
05:34 < esden> ahh ok
05:34 < esden> I am in munic
05:35 < esden> ok ... now I start a film and go to bed
05:35 < nzg> good choice, i've relatives near munich
05:35 < nzg> what film?
05:35 < esden> so ... cu and good night ... the package download should be ready when I wake up ;)
05:35 < esden> nzg: Reservoir Dogs
05:36 < esden> the one film by Quentin Tarantino that nearly noone knows ;)
05:36 < nzg> ah, need to see that one in my remainig time here
05:36 < nzg> i knew it exists but i haven't watched it
05:36 < esden> ok you know that one ;)
05:37 < nzg> i watched the oter ones already
05:37 < nzg> s/oter/other
05:37 < esden> there are only 4 ...
05:37 < esden> ok ... now I am off
05:37 < esden> cu 
05:37 < nzg> jep
05:38 < nzg> k, cya
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06:12 < MadTux> n8
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08:00 < blindy> moin
08:02 < netrunner> moin, 2
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08:39 < BoS> moin @ all
08:39 < BoS> rxr?
09:00 < BoS> the ppc installing has start whit some errors: minix and nls_iso8859-1 modules are missing
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09:05 < daja77> BoS: just ignore
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10:18 < owl> moin
10:21 < blindy> moin moin
10:26 < owl> hmm. you're also still alive *think*
10:28 < blindy> yeah, looks like I am
10:33 < BoS> i c
10:37 < owl> someone knows a _good_ tool for creating pdfs (windows, linux - i don't care) --> incl. hyperlinks etc
10:39 < blindy> OOo
10:39 < blindy> Adobe Acrobat :-)
10:40 < BoS> or openoffice
10:40 < owl> hmmm. openoffice als can create hyperlinks which are clickable
10:41 < owl> blindy: why are you wondering? 
10:42 < netrunner> latex
10:43 < owl> hmmm. not really wysiwyg -> not fast to edit
10:43 < blindy> OOo == OpenOffice.org
10:44 < netrunner> owl: lyx
10:44 < owl> ah so
10:45 < owl> yeah. but it's - aehm. - not very comfortable ;)
10:59  * netrunner updating linux26
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11:05 < blindy> moin Lorini 
11:05 < netrunner> hi Lorini
11:05 < Lorini> moin moin
11:09 < netrunner> so, how's life? :)
11:10 < LowLander> morge
11:10 < Lorini> bah.. tired :)
11:11 < Lorini> i should have been at university 3 hours ago..
11:13  * netrunner came too late today, 2
11:13 < Lorini> came too late - well. im still at home ;)
11:14 < netrunner>  .o( who comes to late is sued by life - who comes to early is sued by wife ;)
11:17 < Lorini> lol
11:26  * blindy makes a mental note to commit his patches more regularly
11:32 < owl> guys - what am i doing wrong? i want to mount mithras:/temp over nfs, but - aehm - permission denied by server... (/temp is chmoded 777, /etc/export is shared to my whole network)
11:33 < owl> and all other shares are accessible
11:36 < blindy> can you paste the line from exports?
11:37 < owl>  /temp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw)
11:42 < owl> exportfs: /etc/exports [4]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0:/temp".
11:42 < owl>   Assuming default behaviour ('sync').
11:42 < owl>   NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions
11:42 < owl> thor.foo.bar:/temp (deleted): No such file or directory
11:43 < owl> ^^  could this be the problem??? i  mean - it's on thor, not on mithras... *confused*
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11:45 < blindy> where do you want to mount it?
11:46 < owl> on /mnt/nfs/temp
11:46 < blindy> strange
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11:47 < owl> yep. my words....
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11:53 < owl> HAEH?!!! why is my sshd now not working??? *doesn't understand something now...*
11:53 < blindy> filesystem ful?
11:56 < owl> nope. 15 % used... but the sshd-problem was easy... forgot to set the correct ip-adress... *cough*
12:00 < owl> gnaaaaaaaaarf. it works... without changing anything!
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12:16 < owl> hi tiefengrund 
12:16 < tiefengrund> mahlzeit owl
12:18 < owl> .oO(mahlzeit sounds quite bavarian...?)
12:19 < tiefengrund> mahlzeit is german and means "dinner"
12:20 < owl> yeah, i know what it means... but imho it's mainly used in bavaria... (at least i have never heared saying my collegues from northern germany "mahlzeit")
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12:22 < owl> gaaaah. blindy - please shoot me! 
12:22  * netrunner hands out the guns
12:23 < owl> hihi. thx, netrunner 
12:23 < owl> <- has a bad magic, today... .oO(now the cdrom from a travelling app, i bought about 2 weeks ago is defect!)
12:24 < blindy> ?
12:24 < blindy> bad karma
12:24 < owl> or so.. yeah... 
12:24 < owl> blindy: want some "brause", too? ;)
12:25 < blindy> nah, doesn't fit with salt
12:26 < owl> with salt?
12:27 < blindy> yeah, I'm having some brezen for lunch
12:28 < owl> i c. hehe ;) 
12:29 < owl> .oO(hopefully the stings of my guitar won't reissen..........)
12:46 < blindy> bbl
12:59 -!- BoS is now known as BoS^afk
13:06  * LowLander stops with software engineering and becomes a lawyer : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47359
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13:30 < netrunner> hehehe http://www.42.nu/~oli/caravan.mpeg
14:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M309P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:14 < netrunner> hi nookie 
14:17 < link_> hi all
14:17 < link_> find / -name MadTux
14:19 < link_> hm
14:19 < link_> whereis MadTux
14:19 < link_> history | grep MadTux
14:20 < netrunner> [06:12] < MadTux> n8
14:20 < netrunner> [06:12] ::: MadTux!~mike@196.40.25.179 has left #rocklinux: "Leaving"
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14:21 < nookie> Heya netrunner :)
14:21 < link_> cool, i've got my own bot, da netrunner :)
14:21 < nookie> netrunner: how are you?
14:22 < netrunner> nookie: tall :)
14:22 < netrunner> nookie: and you? 
14:23 < netrunner> ms broke samba. samba updated. patch in submaster.
14:24 < owl> ms broke samba???
14:24 < link_> hi owl
14:24 < netrunner> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15850
14:27  * netrunner away 
14:28 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden
14:28 < esden> hi ho everyone
14:33 < blindy> moin esdi
14:34 < link_> moin?
14:35 < link_> it's 14.35
14:36 < rxr> hi
14:37 < link_> hi blindcoder
14:41 < owl> hi esden 
14:41 < owl> .oO(some students of informatic are acting like the first person touching linux... *screams*)
14:42 < BoS^afk> hi rxr
14:43 < BoS^afk> the yaboot hasn`t install at hdd 
14:43 < link_> owl: :) 'in the land of the blind, is the one-eyed man the king'
14:43 < BoS^afk> and the system can't install from hdd :(
14:47 < rxr> blindy: you should get a slap for:
14:47 < rxr> [O] srcdir="libmatroska-0.6.2/make/linux"
14:47  * rxr *slaps* blindy 
14:48 < owl> link_: hm?
14:51 < rxr> This presentation contains content that your browser may not be able to show properly. This presentation was optimized for more recent versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer.
14:51 < rxr>  
14:51 < rxr> If you would like to proceed anyway, click here.
14:51 < rxr> and the presentation is quite a normal html thingy even using old style frames ... ?!?!?!
14:52 < rxr> showing not that bad in konqueror ...
14:55 < blindy> *ouch*
14:56 < blindy> rxr: but I didn't think about that directory structure >_<
14:56  * blindy cries
14:59 < rxr> I hope you already realized that I speak about the hardcoded version?
15:01 < blindy> yes >_<
15:03 < esden> *sigh* ... why is all open source software c and not c++ I really do not usderstand that ... besides kde of course ...
15:04 < esden> and why are all people writing such a crappy messed up code ... >_<
15:04 < alanjwylie> and dansguardian <http://dansguardian.org/?page=faq#3>
15:05  * esden does not understand the world ...
15:05 < rxr> == 05/14/04 15:02:26 =[5]=> Finished building package libmatroska.
15:05 < alanjwylie> though dansguardian has a very odd license - GPL, except commercial distributors, when only the first download is GPL
15:07 < rxr> esden: what is your exact current problem? I can not parse your posting in all it's facets ...
15:07 < mnemoc> moin!
15:08 < owl> esden: why?
15:09 < rxr> mnemoc: hi
15:11 < esden> rxr: the problem is that when I find a cool and interesting oss project (like xmms2 or e17) they are all written in C ... now ... when I look at the code of these projects I see how bad choice C is ... and how much nicer and cleaner it would be if they would use C++ ... 
15:11 < rxr> ah - I see
15:11 < rxr> then I have failed parsing some details of your posting
15:11 < daja77> .oO (that's what rxr says all the time ...=
15:11 < rxr> but I'm happy that this is your view
15:12 < esden> but besides the language choice ... the code is messed up ... not well structured ... and without any coding guidelines ... that _SUX_ and makes me somewhat sad and mad ...
15:12 < esden> daja77: yes ... I know he is
15:12 < rxr> when you need a new music player you can use GSMP/Player in some weeks
15:13 < rxr> even coded in modern C++ ...
15:13 < esden> it took me some time to realize that he is right
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15:13 < rxr> except some library dependecies (E17/Evas, libmad, libalsa, libvorbis)
15:13 < daja77> well it is not impossible to write structured in C ...
15:13 < esden> daja77: but noone is doing it
15:13 < daja77> ack
15:14 < rxr> but it is impossible to write as elegeant and readable code as it would be possible with C++
15:14 < daja77> and if this all breaks up the sampe people rewrite it in perl ...
15:14 < esden> the only thing that I know that is somewhat structured (but far from being perfect) is gtk+ and companions
15:14 < esden> rxr: full ack
15:15 < esden> rxr: but you really need coding guidelines ... otherwise the code get's inconsistant ... and that is not pretty
15:16 < rxr> we have a CODING document
15:16 < esden> that is good
15:16 < rxr> (alhtough we improved it over the time so some parts could be reviewed for strict matching ...
15:16 < rxr> )
15:17 < mnemoc> anyone else has expirienced dialog problems in `stone setup`? 
15:18 < mnemoc> i installed a rock-2.0 yesterday and it was a 'not do it in public' thing
15:18 < esden> rxr: we have a 67 pages latex document about coding standards ... 
15:19 < esden> for apeiron
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15:19 < rxr> hm - I think this is overspecified
15:19 < daja77> what is apeiron
15:20 < esden> rxr: ohh no ... I use it ... and it is far from being over specified ... in some places it is even under specified
15:20 < esden> daja77: a soft realtime transaction based object oriented middleware
15:21 < rxr> esden: do you have an url handy ?
15:21 < esden> in short a object oriented dynamic database
15:21 < esden> rxr: no sorry ... that is still in internal :(
15:22 < daja77> esden: thx for translating the buzzwords
15:22 < blindy> esden: look at nethack
15:22 < blindy> C, easy to read, simple to enhance
15:22 < esden> but I think that in not very long time it will be avalable
15:22 < rxr> even the coding document?
15:23 < rxr> blindy: average C code is less easiy to extend
15:23 < esden> blindy: but nasty to write big projects
15:24 < blindy> rxr: suce. just wanted to give a positive example to esden :)
15:24 < blindy> esden: why?
15:24 < esden> blindy: nethack is a seldom example of good C code
15:25 < blindy> indeed :)
15:25 < blindy> rxr: could you please add the checksum for the new libmatroska tarball?
15:26 < esden> when you use C++ you are forced to structure the code a bit better ... ... but writing clean and nice code still lyes in the hands of a programmer ... and you can also mess it up in C++ ... so my argumentation contains two things
15:27 < esden> 1) C++ is nicer then C for the projects I have seen in the _last few weeks_
15:28  * mnemoc raise c# on his shoulders
15:29 < esden> 2) oss is not written well (in all projects I have seen in the last few days) ... and in most cases it is messed up code
15:29 < esden> mnemoc: I will noc comment that otherwise we have a blut bad at our hands ;)
15:30 < mnemoc> :)
15:30 < esden> "blood bath" <- that is the right english expression ;)
15:30 < blindy> esden: Blutbad == bloodshot
15:30 < blindy> IIRC
15:31 < esden> carnage and massacre are also valid english expressions
15:31 < mnemoc> bloodshot sounds senseless to me :|
15:31 < esden> at least what dict.leo says
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15:36 < nzg> moin 
15:36 < mnemoc> moin mz
15:36 < mnemoc> nzg too
15:36 < nzg> ;-)
15:38 < mnemoc> :p
15:38 < owl> hi nzg 
15:38 < nzg> moin  owl
15:39 < mnemoc> hi happyOwl
15:39 < esden> hi nzg 
15:39 < nzg> moin  esden
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15:41 < MadTux> Greetings
15:42 < mnemoc> Tuxie!
15:42 < MadTux> mny :)
15:43 < mnemoc> uhm
15:43 < MadTux> too lazy to tab :)
15:44 < esden> ahh MadTux also came back from dead ;)
15:46 < owl> hi MadTux 
15:46 < mnemoc> oh... MS added his wtl s.th to sf's cvs too
15:47 < rolla> re
15:47 < mnemoc> re rolla
15:48 < esden> wtl???
15:49 < mnemoc> esden: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/13/005254
15:50 < MadTux> hi owlita, rolla and esdy
15:50 < mnemoc> owlita *g*
15:51 < blindy> moin maddy
15:51 < MadTux> hey the owlita thing is EXCLUSIVE.
15:51 < MadTux> blindy: !!
15:51 < MadTux> blindy: i got all the .gems now thanks.
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15:53 < esden> mnemoc: perfect ... that is what all world wants ... *sigh*
15:53 < mnemoc> yeah
15:54 < MadTux> what about the things that _I_ want?!?
15:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: i want an alpha.
15:54 < mnemoc> money?
15:54 < owl> hi christian_ 
15:54 < mnemoc> :)
15:55 < MadTux> i can make my own money :)
15:55  * esden is making also his own money ... my laser printer is working on full power ;)
15:56 < MadTux> esden: don't forget my bday is near
15:57 < rxr> arhg - how I hate people limiting the mind to x86:
15:57 < rxr> ==> 5-gens.err <==
15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%eax' in `asm'
15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%edi' in `asm'
15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%esi' in `asm'
15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register
15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register
15:57 < esden> MadTux: do not worry ... I will forget it when the right time comes ;)
15:57 < mnemoc> LOL
15:57 < MadTux> hi pissed-rxr :)
15:57 < esden> erm ... eax edi esi unknown? o_O
15:57 < MadTux> esden: Good.
15:58 < rxr> esden: PowerPC
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: no not pissed
15:58 < esden> rxr: ahh ok ... 
15:58 < esden> then it is understandable ;)
15:58 < mnemoc> s/mnemoc/MadTux/
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16:01 < esden> ok ... downloading snes images ;)
16:03 < rxr> oh - you have free time again?
16:05  * mnemoc trying to understand the meaning of 'free' and 'time' joined
16:05 < rxr> oh my - what do people smoke while coding:
16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:704: error: assignment of read-only member `cols'
16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:712: error: assignment of read-only member `rows'
16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:722: error: assignment of read-only member `expr'
16:07 < rxr>  warning: command line option "-fno-rtti" is valid for C++/ObjC++ but not f
16:07 < rxr> or C
16:16 < mnemoc> Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.rocklinux.net 
16:17 < rxr> worked here some minutes ago
16:17 < MadTux> mnemoc: ur ISP sucks..
16:17 < mnemoc> :(
16:17 < MadTux> :)
16:17 < mnemoc> i _only_ (but frecuently) have problems with rl.net
16:20 < rxr> 865 builds total, 759 completed fine, 105 with errors.
16:22 < mnemoc> rxr: what are you building?
16:23 < mnemoc> rl.net is back
16:24 < rxr> gcc-3.4 / 2.1-DEV / PowrePC
16:24 < rxr> desktop
16:24 < MadTux> no sparc :(
16:25 < mnemoc> rxr: does your patch for rocknet returns a happy face?
16:27 < rxr> hm?
16:27 < rxr> MadTux: the sparc thing just needs some iso creation - not a full experimental gcc-3.4 build
16:28 < mnemoc> rxr: rocknet + previous patch for rocknet do the work but init shows sad face :)
16:28 < MadTux> well u have a point.. now why would ppc need that?
16:29 < MadTux> anyways i think i will give up trying to get rock 2.X isos for my ultra
16:30 < rxr> MadTux: because my main and fastest box here is PowerPC
16:30 < rxr> MadTux: do you think I use a 270Mhz + SPARC slowness CPU to fix gcc-3.4 convered crappy code?
16:30 < mnemoc> nzg: splint=extra/game
16:30 < rxr> I know better ways to waste my time
16:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I test this
16:31 < nzg> ups
16:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I also know a bug in my ROCK Net code that I need to fix (now)
16:31 < nzg> must have overseen this one
16:31 < mnemoc> good :)
16:31 < nzg> when i created the i used some other pkgs as templates...
16:31 < MadTux> rxr: ok.
16:31 < nzg> seems like this one is based on q2
16:32 < mnemoc> nzg: try using misc/archive/newpackage.sh 
16:32 < nzg> mnemoc: k
16:36 < mnemoc> rxr: how many todo-items there are between gcc34 and 2.0-STALLED ?
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16:38 < nzg> re
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: any other comments to the ROCK Net patch? Like like / like not ...
16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: i like the idea, but haved tested it
16:42 < MadTux> i'm fscking out of here.
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17:00 < mnemoc> .oO( coooooold )o
17:01 < daja77> yep it is cold here too
17:02 < mnemoc> i don't feel my fingers
17:02 < nzg> are you sitting outside?
17:03 < mnemoc> no, inside
17:03 < daja77> nice one of our professors tells about his work in mexico and chile, next wednesday
17:03 < mnemoc> in the third world heating systems are not common
17:04 < mnemoc> chile: i would like to know what outsiders think of us :)
17:05 < mnemoc> daja77*
17:06 < daja77> well if i'll watch this I'll tell you
17:06 < nzg> hm, k
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17:07 < mnemoc> chile: 60 hours of work per week, very low productivity, too much 'talk-of-someone-from-behind', not followed processes, everything is ad-hoc.
17:08 < daja77> hm
17:08 < mnemoc> sucks :(
17:08 < daja77> indeed
17:09 < mnemoc> we incresed our 'trust' from 17% to 22% in the last 10 years =)
17:11 < mnemoc> only 20% of executives places and 8% of high level places ocvered by women
17:15 < mnemoc> submaster: 174 Patches .... my next patch flood will lead us over the 200 mark :)
17:15 < rxr> oh cool
17:31 < rxr> me off shortly ...
17:32 < mnemoc> cu
17:32 < rxr> just shortly - buying foods ...
17:41 < link_> what is a nice tcl+ssl-capable command line mail client?
17:45 < mnemoc> why tcl?
17:46 < link_> donno *g* , i'm not really sure what i've got installed recently. maybe i don't know details.. just installed it yet..
17:47 < link_> pine seems to be a good solution?
17:48 < mnemoc> pine is not a 'command line mail client' to me
17:48 < link_> no?
17:49 < link_> mnemoc: someone said, it was =/
17:49 < mnemoc> it's 'console mode' but iirc it's not command line
17:50 < mnemoc> btw, mailx is the only command line mail client i know
17:51 < link_> mnemoc: hm, maybe it's a defenition problem. i want to read messages in a console ssh session.
17:51 < mnemoc> :)
17:51 < mnemoc> pine, mutt ... i prefer the last
17:54 < link_> what's the diffrentes between mutt and pine?
17:54 < link_> i try mutt
17:54 < mnemoc> pine is much lest custimizable
17:54 < mnemoc> less*
17:55 < link_> mnemoc: okay, i try mutt
17:55 < link_> mnemoc: how about html'rised mails, does it display it good?
17:56 < link_> whatis jade
17:56 < rxr> or {X,}Emacs {VM,Mew}
17:56 < rxr> I use XEmacs/Mew on the console
17:57 < link_> i somehow don't like emacs
17:59 < link_> i've got weekend knocking :)
17:59 < link_> cu , and thank you
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19:17 < MadTux> re
19:17 < MadTux> METAL: http://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls
19:30 < mnemoc> .oO( i should consider to buy a sound card )o
19:30 < MadTux> OMG..
19:31 < mnemoc> what? i listen radio, and i don't play games
19:32 < mnemoc> and i don't have money :p
19:32 < MadTux> what do u need a radio for?
19:32 < mnemoc> to make noise
19:32 < MadTux> with a computer u can forget about phone, fax, tv, radio, ...
19:33 < mnemoc> with a computer and lot of money :P
19:33 < MadTux> i don't have a lot of money.. and i have all this.
19:34 < mnemoc> :)
19:39 < mnemoc> bbl
19:39 < MadTux> ok
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21:01 < rxr> ok - the mot important package built:
21:01 < rxr> == 05/14/04 20:46:19 =[5]=> Finished building package flightgear.
21:01 < rxr> http://www.linuxtag.org/2004/index.html
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21:22 < MadTux> hi blindy
21:32 < rxr> hm - rsync traffic shaping sucks
21:32  * rxr needs to setup real in-kernel traffic shaping on the router ...
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22:25 < mnemoc> re
22:26 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:27 < MadTux> hola Alejandro
22:27 < MadTux> Ale-chan i mean :)
22:28 < mnemoc> hi mikey
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22:30 < MadTux> so i wrote an email to javito letting him know hot to properly run gentoo 2004.1 on his blade.. as it wouldn't be fair to have him for some isos that should probably not happen.
22:32 < MadTux> i guess must of u folks will hate me for this.. but hey I'm just trying to be realistic and forget about the dream i once had.
22:33  * MadTux getting some coffee.
22:34  * mnemoc getting some coke
22:35 < netrunner> rxr: sorry for the linelength ;)
22:37 < mnemoc> netrunner: [ "$prefix_auto" = 1 ] && prefix="opt/netperf"
22:38 < mnemoc> netrunner: set_confopt
22:38 < mnemoc> that way you can change it smoothly from you target
22:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: the makefile uses NETPERF_HOME as directory where it places it's binaries. no prefix and other stuff. 
22:40 < mnemoc> you can build it based on prefix ;)
22:40 < mnemoc> build the var i mean
22:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: I changed it so NETPERF_HOME get's set to $root$prefix/bin 
22:41 < mnemoc> $root/$prefix
22:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: $root/$prefix became //usr in my test.
22:42 < mnemoc> if $root != / it doesn't end with / making troubles
22:43  * mnemoc need more coke
22:43 < netrunner> mnemoc: //usr didn't work with some test iirc.
22:43 < mnemoc> that's bad
22:45 < netrunner> hm ... since I also remember I wanted to use $root/$prefix I'll retest, maybe I confused something else...
22:46 < netrunner> hm, works. I'll recommit it with $root/$prefix ... that's the 4th discard of netperf :)
22:47 < mnemoc> *g*
22:48 < netrunner> ok. now gf want's me to watch some video ... bbl
22:48 < mnemoc> girl-power :|
22:52 < rxr> netrunner: come back!
22:54 < rxr> you need no patch!
22:55 < mnemoc> :p
22:55 < rxr> var_insert makeopt " " "NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix"
22:55 < rxr> and if you need this "-DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT" inject it there, too
22:57 < mnemoc> i tryed to say that but my english is worse than usual today :(
22:57 < rxr> and why you patch the rest is not really obvous now
22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: too hot over there ?
22:57 < mnemoc> too cold
22:57 < rxr> hmgmp.
22:57 < rxr> how much degree ?
22:57 < rxr> °C please no °F ...
22:57 < mnemoc> 8ºC :p
22:58 < rxr> ohch
22:58 < rxr> is °C your official unit?
22:58 < mnemoc> yep
22:58 < rxr> ;-)
22:58 < mnemoc> only rolla has ºF :p
22:58 < rxr> .(
23:05 < LowLander> how do i get the version number of my svn client ?
23:05 < LowLander> svn help  doesn'T show anything usefull
23:06 < mnemoc> svn --version ?
23:07 < mnemoc> | head -n 1
23:07 < LowLander> *doh*
23:08 < LowLander> svn --verion     <--- thats what i typed :-)
23:08 < LowLander> than tried -v 
23:08 < LowLander> etc.
23:08 < LowLander> it really helps when you can type :-)
23:09 < LowLander> tnx
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23:09 < mnemoc> hit those bad fingers with a wood-ruler
23:28 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
23:29 < rxr>  sure
23:29 < rxr> just eating
23:30 < mnemoc> :)
23:30 < mnemoc> http://www.drugphish.ch/~ratz/iproute2/ <--- to iproute2's $docdir?
23:36 < rxr> hm - I'm not a server junkie better ask SMP or clifford
23:39 < mnemoc> ok
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