--- Log opened Sat May 15 00:00:02 2004
00:03 < daja77> re
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00:12 < rxr> rehi daja77 
00:12 < daja77> hi rxr
00:12 < daja77> sory for bein off so much this week :)
00:19 < mnemoc> work, univ, family or girl?
00:20 < daja77> forgot the family thing, the other three fit :)
00:20 < rxr> == 00:17:47 =[5]=> Building rene/evas [2004-04-15 2.1.0-DEV].
00:20 < mnemoc> =)
00:28 < rxr> == 05/15/04 00:26:50 =[5]=> Finished building package evas.
00:30 < netrunner> re
00:33 < netrunner> rxr: the only important change I did further than changing the target directory was renaming the scripts because they had so generic names.
00:33 < netrunner> rxr: if you do not agree I can revert that and just creeate the .conf
00:34 < netrunner> rxr: I _removed_ the -DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT because it is in the makefile to force you edit the makefile. 
00:36 < rxr> remove it using the GCC_WARPPER
00:36 < rxr> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT"
00:36 < netrunner> rxr: ok, will do so.
00:36 < rxr> the less patching the better
00:36 < daja77> GCC3_WRAPPER_REMOVE iirc
00:37 < rxr> nope - the is a unified one
00:37 < rxr> even CC should work (IIRC)
00:37 < daja77> ah nice
00:37 < rxr> the versioned are for gcc packge specific adaptoins ...
00:38 < netrunner> damn, I have a build with xorg here for 3 weeks and did not install it.
00:41 < netrunner> rxr: I smap'ed the gcc34 stuff and will start a build with it tomorrow, maybe I can help some bits now that I learned c++ a bit.
00:42 < rxr> cool that would be great
00:43 < rxr> gcc-3.4 builds should be quite fine now
00:43 < netrunner> hm, what can be the cause that my var_append makeopt " " "NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix" has no effect?
00:43 < rxr> the major think that might hit you is linux24 when you build a generic target
00:43 < rxr> (a desktop linux24 builds - this is driver selection optimization selection)
00:43 < rxr> haven
00:44 < rxr> 't I wrote var_insert ?
00:44 < rxr> it needs to before the make target ...
00:44 < netrunner> oh, yes. didn't know _insert yet.
00:44 < rxr> Handbook ;-)
00:45 < rxr> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch23.html
00:45 < netrunner> jaja :P
00:46 < rxr> ;-)
00:46 < rxr> me off into bed
00:46 < rxr> cu in some more hours
00:46 < netrunner> hm. still does not work.
00:46 < netrunner> n8
00:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: export it
00:47 < netrunner> arg. makeinstopt
00:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: hook_add premake 5 'export NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix'
00:47 < rxr> ah yes
00:47 < mnemoc> :p
00:47 < rxr> no export
00:48 < mnemoc> if makeinstopt works, much better
00:48 < rxr> netrunner: inject it in the makeopt and reset the makeinstopt
00:48 < rxr> makeinstopt="$makeopt install"
00:48 < rxr> or var_insert makeinstopt " " "..."
00:48 < rxr> I prefer the first
00:48 < mnemoc> that var must be splited
00:48 < netrunner> var_insert is fine. it is not needed in make.
00:48 < mnemoc> $makeopt, $makeallopt, $makeinstopt
00:49 < rxr> yes - I tought about this , too
00:49 < rxr> can you add it into flyspray ?
00:49 < netrunner> arg. that's what I didn't remember. it places the binaries in $(NETPERF_HOME)
00:49  * rxr off crawling into the bed - cu 
00:49 < mnemoc> anyone read that?
00:49 < mnemoc> ok
00:50 < rxr> yes
00:50 < netrunner> n8 rxr
00:50 < rxr> netrunner: then use ${bindir}
00:50 < netrunner> oki
00:50 < rxr> no $root needed - he dir ones are garuanteed to contain it ...
00:51 < netrunner> ah, fine now. comitting ...
00:51 < rxr> ;-=
00:51 < rxr> ;-) even
00:51 < mnemoc> flist checked?
00:51 < rxr> binary started *g*
00:51 < rxr> n8
00:51 < mnemoc> n8 
01:04 < mnemoc> aarg... posix said nothing about halt,reboot,shutdown,... :(
01:14 < daja77> n8
01:14 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
01:14 < netrunner> n8 daja77, mnemoc and self
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01:16 < BoS> re
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01:17 < mnemoc> re BoS_ 
01:17 < BoS_> 4hi mnemoc 
01:17 < BoS_> sry, hi
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01:41 < MadTux> grettings
01:41 < MadTux> i need a php .gem for x86 anyone can share it with me please?
01:43 < mnemoc> i have one for p4
01:44 < MadTux> mnemoc, mm... i can see if it works
01:44 < MadTux> please upload it to master
01:44 < mnemoc> wait a second
01:46 < mnemoc> MadTux: rsyncing to ~amery/bridge/
01:47 < MadTux> gracias.
01:47 < mnemoc> listo
01:49 < MadTux> gracias mnemoc
01:49 < mnemoc> :)
01:49 < mnemoc> de nada
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02:32 < nzg> re
02:33 < BoS> hi
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03:35 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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10:30 < rxr> moin
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11:17 < netrunner> moin *
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15:21 < nzg> moin 
15:48 < valentin> moin nzg
15:52 < nzg> moin  valentin
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16:03 < mnemoc> moin
16:04 < valentin> moin mnemoc
16:06 < mnemoc> thx valentin 
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17:30 < mnemoc> rxr: packages looking for sendmail at usr/sbin should be patched or sendmail symlinked?
17:44  * blindy votes for symlinking
17:44 < blindy> that way I can continue to use the ROCK tree on non-ROCK machines
17:48 < mnemoc> ok
17:50 < mnemoc> any other vote?
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18:10 < owl> moin
18:12 < nzg> moin  owl
18:16 < owl> hi nzg 
18:23 < mnemoc> hi owl, nzg 
18:24 < nzg> moin mnemoc
18:26 < mnemoc> moin nzg 
18:26 < owl> hi mnemoc 
18:33 < mnemoc> how is it going owl?
18:44 < owl> hmm... being alive. thx. and in your life?
18:45 < mnemoc> broken but well :)
18:46 < owl> why broken?
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19:30 < mnemoc> owl: low income, high outcome
19:31 < mnemoc> hi ${daniel%77}, Lorini
19:31 < daja> hi mnemoc 
19:34 < owl> mnemoc: welcome in the club
19:34 < owl> hi daja 
19:34 < daja> hi owl
19:40 < owl> <- off again. bye
19:40 < daja> cu
19:42 < mnemoc> cu owl 
20:08 < rxr> re
20:08 < daja> wb rxr
20:08 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
20:08 < rxr> vote: symlink
20:09 < netrunner> 890 builds total, 118 completed fine, 2 with errors. ... quite good so far, only linux24 failed.
20:09 < rxr> oh - was a active #rocklinux day ...
20:09 < rxr> :-(
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20:09 < daja> http://www.antville.org/img/ungepl/Werner.jpg
20:09 < rxr> netrunner: gcc-3.4 ?
20:09 < netrunner> rxr: jup, desktop for k6-2
20:09 < rxr> sure - do you think I propose it when it is totally broken ?
20:09 < rxr> only the toy stuff and linux24 needs fixing
20:10 < rxr> (linux24 onl in some optimization combinations - compiled for pentium-mmx here ...)
20:10 < netrunner> rxr: do you think I'd apply it if I wouldn't trust in your work?
20:10 < rxr> netrunner: btw. did you apply all my patches ?
20:10 < netrunner> rxr: all I saw. and other updates lingering around up there.
20:12 < rxr> good ;-)
20:21 < daja> .oO (real life got me)
20:21 < netrunner> daja: got hungry?
20:22 < daja> that too
20:22 < netrunner> ah, and the usual electricfence. but that's nothing new to me.
20:22 < daja> lol
20:24 < nzg> daja: you can also buy it on a t-shirt
20:25 < daja> nah
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21:03 < rxr> ok - a gcc-3.4 hacked blender does work
21:03 < rxr> (at least start - no idea how to use blender - dragging transparent menues around does work, too)
21:17 < netrunner> the tree gcc34 patch does not apply ...
21:19 < netrunner> rxr: did you say that the airport in the ibook does not work under linux?
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21:25 < rxr> netrunner: only the airport extreme does not work
21:25 < rxr> the normal airport works very well (pre G4 iBooks ...)
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21:44  * netrunner found a nice way to detach a prozess from the xterm where the binary was executed from: kill -9 $$
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22:12 < esden> netrunner: that is called killing ... not detatching ... you can detatch screen ... but it is not dead after detatch ;)
22:12 < esden> hi all sbtw ;)
22:12 < esden> ahh ... ok ... you killed the xterm ... sorry ... I misread ...
22:12 < dsoul> hi esden 
22:13 < esden> hi dsoul 
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22:16 < rxr> == 05/15/04 21:39:36 =[5]=> Finished building package blender.
22:16 < rxr> needed 39 minutes to build ...
22:17 < rxr> (with mplayer and other builds in parallel ...)
22:18 < netrunner> esden: I therefore assume you do not believe in a life after death?
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22:21 < esden> netrunner: erm ... not when it comes to programs ...
22:22 < esden> if they are dead they are dead ... or zombies ... and that is pretty equasl to zombie
22:23 < netrunner> rxr: I just commited my first gcc-3.4 patch. rediffed the tree one.
22:24 < rxr> clifford aready said he did so ...
22:24 < rxr> strange that I have an different tree tarball then you all have ...
22:26 < rxr> netrunner: dillo Web browser 0.8.1 - do you wanna update ?
22:29 < netrunner> rxr: immediately :)
22:30 < rxr> cool thanks
22:30  * netrunner fighting with fam + gcc 3.4
22:30 < rxr> this is already fixed
22:30 < rxr> should be in submaster
22:31 < netrunner> ah :)
22:31 < rxr> my shit f*cking - damn this agh?!?!?!
22:32 < rxr> Apple: Apple Files Patent for Translucent Windows
22:32 < rxr> ^- http://slashdot.org/
22:32 < netrunner> seems I missed some of the gcc 3.4 patches :/
22:33 < rxr> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20040090467.PGNR.&OS=dn/20040090467&RS=DN/20040090467?TjmKotMo
22:34 < rxr> reading this crap hurts my brain
22:34 < rxr> he computer system of claim 8, wherein said first translucent state is 20% translucent and said second translucent state is 40% translucent. 
22:34 < rxr> ^- this means if I use other translucent values my App is not affected by the patent ?
22:37 < netrunner> dillo update tested and committed
22:38 < rxr> thansk
22:38 < rxr> thanks -  ;-)
22:39 < rxr> I did nearly nothing on computers to day and now I get headache
22:43 < netrunner> called turkey or sth like that :)
22:47 < valentin> rxr: did they patent the alpha blending formula, too ?
22:48 < rxr> does not look so
22:48 < rxr> I get headache reading patents ...
22:48 < rxr> have you taken a look?`This is written so ugly ...
22:48 < valentin> do they explain formaly what the term "window" refers to ?
22:49 < valentin> as long as we use X, we cannot have translucent windows anyway ..
22:49 < mnemoc> rehi
22:50 < valentin> or does the patent claim rights on screenshot based pseudo-translucency ?
22:50 < rxr> seems they claim on real transparency - no pseudo one
22:50 < rxr> but my brain has some problems parsing this *pseudo* enlgish
22:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:51  * rxr off for tee
22:51 < netrunner> rxr: have you come across the tcpdump problem? http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2004-02/msg01185.html
22:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:51 < mnemoc> rxr: common places for sendmail usr/{lib,sbin,bin}. we use usr/bin, should i symlink both or only sbin?
22:52 < esden> n8
22:52 < mnemoc> n8 esden 
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22:54 < rxr> only sbin
22:54 < rxr> having this in ilb is rediculous ...
22:54 < mnemoc> ack :p
22:55 < rxr> netrunner: if you encoutner a gcc-3.4 problem first take a look in submaster again
22:55 < rxr> most obvious important stuff is fixed
22:56 < rxr> hm - if filling boiling water into a glass container with minz leafs is patanted I now have a problem having patent lawyers in my house, soon
22:56 < rxr> ah mint even
22:56 < rxr> # svn status | wc -l
22:56 < rxr>      34
22:57 < rxr> hm - some stuff to cleanup and send ...
23:12 < mnemoc> : a few more packages for the desktop target <-- ?? is that a proper description? 
23:15 < rxr> hm - why not ?
23:18 < mnemoc> kinding... but it can be i little more verbose :)
23:18 < rxr> ok - I try to stay more verbose
23:18 < mnemoc> ./rene -vv
23:19 < rxr> oh yes - I need some forks
23:19 < rxr> hm - scribus needs a glibc-2.3.4 fix ...
23:21  * netrunner fixing tcpdump for gcc-3.4
23:22 < netrunner> rxr: do you send those patches upstream?
23:22 < rxr> I should do - but this already costs so much time ...
23:23 < mnemoc> sm send --upstream <--- based on [A] :)
23:25 < netrunner> mnemoc: submaster should automatically notify authors :)
23:25 < mnemoc> that's risky :)
23:26 < rxr> I just added to the handbook that the [A] should at least contain one valid email address taht accepts patches
23:26 < rxr> we should keep more care with the A tag so we can send patches upstream more easily
23:26 < rxr> (e.g. not visiting each homepage first ...)
23:27 < rxr> I just updated and fixed blender 2.33 - and 2.33a fails again ...
23:27 < rxr> (with a different new problem ...)
23:27 < netrunner> rxr: ... and for the kernel you add extra chapters that describe the procedure ;)
23:28 < rxr> ,))
23:28 < rxr> oh my - the blender guys seem to have added specializations to the templates ...
23:29 < rxr> this is not that easy to get correct for gcc-3.4 .:-(
23:29  * rxr fixed this properly for gsmp-ng - but I do not want to do this for blender .... :-(
23:29 < rxr> 2.33a update canceled ...
23:35 < rxr> hm - clifford invent s.th. long ago I jsut reinvented
23:35 < rxr> damn that nobody knows ...
23:36 < rxr> but I do this cleaner now ... :-(
23:37 < rxr> did anyone here used bkef and xdiff ?
23:37 < rxr> mked even ...
23:37 < netrunner> my first own gcc-3.4 fix comitted. it's more a workaround, since the configure.in should be fixed ... but it works for rock
23:40 < mnemoc> anyone knows where hostname is on /proc ? or a url with /proc explained :)
23:41 < mnemoc> /proc/sys/kernel
23:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: /usr/src/linux/Documentation :)
23:41 < mnemoc> i was thinking in something more browser-friendly :p
23:42 < rxr> mnemoc: hostname is not in kernel
23:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: file:///usr/src/linux/Documentation
23:42 < rxr> it is determined by libc from /etc/hosts (IIRC)
23:42 < mnemoc> cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname
23:42 < netrunner> rxr: there is a /proc/sys/kernel/hostname that holds the one
23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - yes messed it with the domainname
23:43 < mnemoc> it's there too :p
23:43 < rxr> the in-kernek-one is just for some NIS whatever stuff
23:43 < rxr> # cat /proc/sys/kernel/domainname 
23:43 < rxr> (none)
23:43 < mnemoc> but i don't doubt glibc takes it from there
23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: domainname foo.com; cat /proc/sys/kernel/domainname
23:45 < rxr> hm - the last time I reviewed this it has not been this way
23:45  * rxr puzzled
23:45 < mnemoc> :p
23:46 < rxr> cool - gens
23:46 < rxr> was this sonic thingi for the megadrive ?
23:47 < mnemoc> rxr: hostname takes /etc/HOSTNAME into kernel, but domainname? resolv.conf?
23:47 < mnemoc> what's the standard place to leave the domainname?
23:48 < netrunner> rxr: it's a very cool game
23:49 < netrunner> rxr: sonic the hedgehog ... a jumpnrun where you collect coins, idea like mario.
23:51 < rxr> I know
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23:51 < rxr> this is why I wondered if it was for the megadrive
23:51 < rxr> it is
23:51 < rxr> I just looked on the gens homepage
23:51 < rxr> but somehow I have better graphic in memory - as usual with this old games
23:54 < netrunner> tv games are not always best shown on a monitor. the graphic was quite ok ... and fast :)
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