--- Log opened Wed May 19 00:00:00 2004
00:01 < fake> TADA!
00:01 < LowLander> :-)
00:01 < fake> you made my day.. err.. night...
00:01 < fake> this is much cleaner than using select, it's overfeatured here
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00:28 < LowLander> fake so now you can finish ROCK-live ? ;-P
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00:53 < owl> someone has about 2200 EUR to give to me?
00:54 < LowLander> hmmmnope
00:54 < owl> crap :(
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02:39 < blokkie> compiling thunderbird takes ages .. darn
03:14 < mnemoc> *awn*
03:14 < mnemoc> y+
03:49 < rolla> re
03:55 < fake> strdup and strsep both suck big time
03:55 < fake> err
03:55 < fake> strtok and strsep
03:57 < rolla> :)
04:11 < mnemoc> :)
04:11 < fake> grrrr
04:13 < fake> i don't want to experience broken c library functions at 4:13 am
04:13 < fake> when i have to go to classes at 7:45
04:14 < mnemoc> strtok get's the string only once, don't forget that
04:14 < mnemoc> gets*
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04:24 < fake> mnemoc: i did.
04:24 < fake> the problem was that both failed in a completely different spot
04:24  * fake implemented hos own strsep :P
04:25 < mnemoc> we tend to do that :\
04:26 < mnemoc> i coded in bash sysvinit and net-tools to only have iproute2 and runit :)
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05:29 < demian> hi
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05:44 < cchamilt> hello I am back for a bit
05:52 < jsaw> g'morning
05:54 < demian> da u know a good doc to start using snmp agents and entities.. to diagnose and generate statisticals for network devices and services ?
05:54 < cchamilt> I have an extended proposal from the small discussion last night since pearpc has done a lot.
05:55 < demian> ouh.. bye !
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06:01 < cchamilt> Instead of trying to figure out how to run native versions of all non-native calls inside the build for full cross-compile.  We do virtualization for those instances.  It is not running virtualized all the way, just when there are non-build chain calls inside the system.  It is kind of like what we do now to override gcc, etc. with wrappers.  We have a native execution path for cross compile build chain and a virtulaized execution path for anything i
06:05 < cchamilt> It also shouldn't slow things down too much, yet give us multikernel/libc build capability.  There is pearpc for powerpc, bochs for x86, and I found an arm7 ulinux virtualizer available(would like something for mmu, especially xscale).
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07:16 < netrunner> moin
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07:21 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
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07:47 < BoS> moin moin
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07:54 < dsoul> hi BoS 
07:58 < BoS> hi dsoul 
07:58 < BoS> you are here at this time?
07:58 < dsoul> yes
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07:58 < dsoul> why are you asking?
07:59 < BoS> at work
07:59 < dsoul> i have an hour to start :>
07:59 < BoS> whitout any background
08:00 < BoS> <-/ must start at the next few minutes ;(
08:01 < dsoul> :/
08:03 < BoS> bbl
08:05 < BoS> dsoul: here is a url to software patents (in german) http://www.pro-linux.de/cgi-bin/NB2/nb2.cgi?show.6827.6010..
08:05 < BoS> nice
08:06 < dsoul> bye BoS 
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08:07 < dsoul> BoS i know the topic, last monday we have a conference with rms :>
08:07 < BoS> ah - the first step for us but ....
08:07 < BoS> a long way to target
08:07 < BoS> ok - bye dsoul 
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08:39 < blindy> moin
08:40 < dsoul> hi blindy 
08:47 < blindy> http://kwiki.ffii.org/?Cons040518En
08:48 < blindy> damn
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09:54 < rxr> re
09:56 < blindy> moin rxr 
09:56 < blindy> rxr: how are you today?
09:58 < rxr> better ...
09:58 < rxr> thanks
09:58 < blindy> ^^
10:01 < dsoul> hi rxr 
10:07 < rxr> was das:
10:07 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=5684262&forum_id=56484
10:07 < rxr> einer fon hier?
10:07 < rxr> oops - wrong LANG
10:08 < rxr> was the above text produced by someone in this channel=
10:08 < rxr> ? even
10:08  * rxr still seems to be slightly ill ... :-(
10:14 < LowLander> morning
10:17 < dsoul> hi LowLander 
10:26 < netrunner> re
10:26 < netrunner> now with the few fixes my 2nd build run goes much smoother :)
10:29 < blokkie_> morning
10:33 < netrunner> rock linux release manager :)
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10:43 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
10:44 < dsoul> hi blokkie_ 
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10:51 < rxr> cu later
10:52 < dsoul> bye rxr 
10:59 < netrunner> ts, someone just came in and complained that the server I am working on used 100G/h last night.
11:11 < dsoul> cool :)
11:24 < daja77> nice comment frpm smonkin whoever that is
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11:42 < owl> hi
11:42 < dsoul> hi owl 
11:42 < owl> hi dsoul :)
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11:43 < owl> hi Frederic , tfing_ 
11:44 < blindy> moin owl 
11:44 < owl> hi blindy :) 
11:44 < blokkie_> so if I have this straight , 1) Update-Src 2) Download 3) Update-System  ?
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11:48 < dsoul> blokkie_ should work :)
11:49 < daja77> no
11:50 < blokkie_> coz it looks like ./Download  want's to mirror the entire internet 
11:50 < daja77> blokkie_: co the src as I told you and use Emerger-Pkg for the packages you want to update
11:51 < blokkie_> daja77:  can you paste me that command again ? 
11:52 < daja77> 20:33 < daja77> svn co svn://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk
11:52 < blokkie_> this is my 4the reinstall .. I need to understand everything, if I want to help a bit with the AMD64 port
11:52 < daja77> :)
11:53 < blokkie_> thx for the link 
11:56 < netrunner> daja77: using trunk is not the best idea. gcc34 ist standard now iirc, and most packages have not yet had their fix applied.
11:57  * blokkie_ stares at netrunner 
11:57 < blokkie_> so .. I should svn  from another source ?
11:59 < netrunner> hm, no, seems ok. it is not yet applied.
11:59 < blokkie_> *phiew*
12:00 < netrunner> blokkie_: it depends on what you want. trunk is the bleeding edge, and might sometimes contain inconsistences.
12:00 < netrunner> blokkie_: if you want to go stable, stick to one of the releases.
12:00 < blokkie_> I'm adventurous :-)
12:04 < owl> do you have patches for lilo?
12:04 < netrunner> owl: with gcc34?
12:05 < owl> nope. with gcc-3.2.3
12:05 < netrunner> well, it build's fine with 34, so why shouldn'
12:05 < netrunner> t it with 323?
12:05 < owl> hrm. k. thx. 
12:05 < netrunner> bbl
12:06 < owl> it builds, but i get errors like "fatal: open /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1: no such file or directory" even with lilo-22.5.9
12:07 < blokkie_> is that device there ?
12:08 < owl> nope. of course _not_. because i don't have a HD there... but i'm wondering, why it tries to access it - cuz i don't have written into /etc/lilo.conf something ..
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12:17 < owl> hrm. /dev/ide/host0/bus0 and /dev/ide/host0/bus1 are on the same HD? not really...???
12:17 < blindy> no
12:17 < blindy> on the same controller
12:17 < owl> hmm... 
12:18 < owl> so the problem could be, that i've HD+cdrom, and HD+HD?
12:19 < blindy> what _is_ the problem
12:19 < owl> problem: "fatal: open
12:19 < owl>                /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1: no such file or
12:19 < owl>                directory" even with lilo-22.5.9
12:21 < blindy> yeah, there is no part1 on secondary master
12:21 < blindy> err
12:21 < blindy> yeah
12:21 < blindy> seconday master
12:22 < owl> hmm... i even don't see a secondary master there... 
12:22 < blindy> that's the problem
12:22 < owl> humn. *totally confused*
12:23 < blindy> why do you want to install lilo on the secondary master?
12:24 < owl> i want to install it on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc in the MBR........
12:25 < owl> but linux is installed on another device
12:34 < jsaw> owl: did you try lilo -A .../bus0/...
12:35 < blindy> owl: so put /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc into lilo.conf
12:37 < owl> blindy: i did... it's my _boot_
12:37 < owl> jsaw: hmm. not yet
12:37 < blindy> owl: paste me your lilo.conf, will you?
12:38 < owl> blindy: yeah, a second please. had to verify something
12:38 < owl> i have:
12:38 < owl> secondary master:
12:39 < owl> 1) western digital, 45 GB (win installed on it)
12:39 < owl> 2) samsung, 160 GB (nothing installed on it - it's just a 160 GB partition for data)
12:40 < owl> s/secondary master/master
12:40 < owl> now - secondary master: 
12:40 < owl> 1) maxtor, 20 GB - whole partition for linux, linux installed on it
12:40 < owl> 2) cd/dvd-drive
12:41 < blindy> ok
12:41 < owl> lilo.conf
12:41 < owl> boot = /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
12:42 < owl> message = /boot/boot_message.txt
12:42 < owl> prompt
12:42 < owl> timeout = 600
12:42 < owl> change-rules
12:42 < owl> reset
12:42 < owl> vga = 773
12:42 < owl> default = linux-devfs
12:42 < owl> image = /boot/vmlinuz-devfs
12:42 < owl> label = linux-devfs
12:42 < owl> read-only
12:42 < owl> - end of lilo.conf
12:45 < blindy> looks good
12:45 < blindy> now lilo -C /path/to/lilo.conf
12:45 < owl> yeah. works good with linux-2.4.2x too
12:46 < owl> same error as above
12:47 < owl> btw, i have: 
12:47 < owl> /dev/ide/host0/bus0
12:47 < owl> but not bus1
12:47 < owl> and i have:
12:48 < owl> /dev/ide/host1/bus0
12:48 < owl> but not bus1, there, too
12:49 < owl> (and kerm
12:49 < jsaw> owl: is your partition activated?
12:49 < owl> nel is 2.6.6.
12:49 < owl> activated?
12:49 < jsaw> with fdisk
12:49 < jsaw> (as boot dev)
12:50 < owl> boot dev:
12:50 < jsaw> otherwise, try the -A and the -M option
12:50 < owl> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 <- linux, ext2
12:51 < owl> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 <- windows, ntfs
12:52 < owl> lilo -A what -M what ? .oO("alter maulesel")
12:52 < jsaw> rtfm :)
12:52 -!- jsaw is now known as alter-maulesel
12:52 < owl> *lol*
12:53 < owl> not you, lilo
12:53 < alter-maulesel> "lilo -M /dev/ide/host0/... mbr"
12:53 -!- alter-maulesel is now known as jsaw
12:53 < jsaw> (but I am, ask my wife...)
12:53 < owl> *rofl* 
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12:53 < owl> thx, maulesel - scnr :p
12:54 < jsaw> :)
12:54 < owl> hrhr. if it worked now, i am able to go to "my maulesel" aeh horse ;)
12:55 < owl> crap. if it worked... now no lilo appears, but windows boots *puke
12:57 < jsaw> ride your horse (there you're at least sure you get always back to the stall (or should I say food)
12:58 < owl> *g* there 's no stall... just a "unterstand" more or less ;)
12:59 < blokkie_> shelter ..
12:59 < blokkie_> why you want to use lilo in the first place ?
12:59 < blokkie_> it's old .. depricated .. 
12:59 < blokkie_> grub has a nice "edit" funktion if it can't find a kernel or a root dev
13:00 < owl> yeah. but i'm too lazy to read the manpages of grub *cough*
13:00 < blokkie_> wha ?
13:00 < blokkie_> and you waste your time rebooting and testing ... ok /me has lost faith in mankind :-)
13:00 < owl> YEAH! i pressed a key and got a kernelpanik! !?!#~!
13:01 < owl> *ggg* yeah
13:01 < owl> no problem - i'm female - so it's natural, that you don't understand me *eg*
13:01 < jsaw> somebody around with time to security update svn, cvs and libneon?
13:04 < owl> gaaaah!!! now the pc even boots anymore. without beepcodes, without errormessages, without anything but a black screen 
13:04 < owl> .oO(might i should suggest my dad to buy a new pc....... - a running one)
13:05 < blokkie_> jsaw: sorry, I'm still upgrading my rock, and I don't think I have the skillz to help yet
13:07  * netrunner burning gcc34 bootdisk and gcc34 desktop build
13:07 < owl> thearfVCDY
13:07 < owl> FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!
13:08 < netrunner> hey!
13:08 < blokkie_> owl:  .... *sigh*
13:09 < owl> my dad... bilogical father. whatever
13:11 < owl> now i'm the person who he can blame. why his fscking old pc didn't boot
13:14 < owl> and now - " you will never touch this PC anymore! and: i will not buy an pc, even if this one will never work again!" ASSHOLE! I'M HATING HIM!
13:16 < netrunner> wonderful. I get "bad gzip magic numbers" when booting the cd :(
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13:22 < blokkie_> I'm glad s/he is gone 
13:25 < dsoul> :>
13:26 < blokkie_> what are bad gzip magic numbers ?
13:27 < netrunner> something that should not happen.
13:27 < blokkie_> :-)
13:27 < netrunner> magic patterns are used to determine file types. see /etc/magic
13:28 < netrunner> if they are bad, it meands the one found was not recognized.
13:28 < blokkie_> I don't have /etc/magic 
13:33 < netrunner> /usr/share/file/magic
13:35 < blokkie_> ah thx
13:37 < blokkie_> is a mais that like MIME type ?
13:40 < netrunner> argl. 5-bootdisk went fine even without gzip. it just didn't create a kernel
13:40 < blindy> *lol*
13:40 < netrunner> how amusing.
13:42  * netrunner now has a coffee-automate in his kitchen.
13:42 < dsoul> netrunner im still patching glibc :)
13:42 < dsoul> now in stage 5 :)
13:43 < netrunner> dsoul: what for?
13:44 < dsoul> becouse its not compiling :)
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13:44 < netrunner> dsoul: what weird things are you trying? compile for casio pocket watch?
13:45 < dsoul> for athlon xp :)
13:45 < netrunner> that should go straight.
13:45 < dsoul> and its now fuuny :P
13:45 < dsoul> not funny 
13:46 < dsoul> should but its not
13:46 < netrunner> dsoul: maybe some prerequisite failed?
13:46 < blokkie_> it compiled ok here ( amd 2400+ XP
13:48 < dsoul> netrunner no
13:48 < dsoul> first error was connected with optimisation
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13:49 < dsoul> i've removed 1 line of assembly code and it worked
13:49 < dsoul> now i have smoe problem with makefile
13:50 < netrunner> ey, this cannot be. I built for Athlon-MP several times and it works fine. The optimisation is quite similar.
13:52 < dsoul> netrunner it happened after upgrade do 2.3.4
13:57 < blokkie_> netrunner: about that magic number , your error, does it mean that the gzip is not a gzip coz the magic number is fscked ? 
13:58 < daja77> jsaw: security update again?
13:59 < netrunner> blokkie_: something like that. I had no gzip at this point :)
13:59 < netrunner> daja77: what=
13:59 < netrunner> ?
13:59 < blokkie_> ah , ok, I was just trying to understand the magic thing
14:00 < daja77> netrunner: jsaw asked for help on security update of cvs svn and neon
14:00 < netrunner> ah. do they have flaws?
14:01 < daja77> have to look that up, guess i could ugrade and patch this evening
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14:04  * netrunner updating subversion
14:05 < daja77> k.
14:05 < daja77> <- chatting from a macosX box >_<
14:05 < dsoul> :)
14:06 < jsaw> daja77: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47493
14:07 < jsaw> (but maybe it's already fixed? me <- lost overview)
14:11 < daja77> no this new
14:12 < daja77> netrunner: please update libneon first, it is used by subversion as well
14:13 < jsaw> no,
14:13 < jsaw> http://subversion.tigris.org/svn-sscanf-advisory.txt
14:13  * netrunner updating the four
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14:27 < netrunner> updates sent
14:42 < blokkie_> could it be esound is broken ?
14:46 < blokkie_> make cannot find esd.h 
14:49 < jsaw> thx netrunner
14:50 < rolla> re
14:52  * netrunner waiting for his gcc34 build to install
14:53 < daja77> oh you have a finished build, nice
14:53  * daja77 should start a new to see if the games are working now
14:53 < netrunner> quite a few built, only some not.
14:54 < netrunner> what shall we do with all the gcc34 patches btw? does rene send them all?
14:54 < blokkie_> waht windowmanagers do you all use ?
14:54 < daja77> in case of sdl i would wait for a new release
14:55 < daja77> they've spotted the problem, just posted crap patches 
14:55 < netrunner> blokkie_: wmx
14:55 < link_> fluxbox
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15:03 < netrunner> prima. "Autocreated fstab-file: <empty>"
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15:20 < rxr> rehi
15:21 < rxr> blokkie: waimea, windowmaker, kde ...
15:21 < blokkie> I just found waimea , and it's nice 
15:22 < rxr> (it has some minor oddities ... - I might one day fix them)
15:22 < rxr> (but the project seems to be dead - the decender is kahakai - but it does not work for me ...)
15:25 < netrunner> what would I use to create cd labels? (alternative to cdlabelgen?)
15:26 < netrunner> oh, the stone network config is nice
15:29 < rxr> now I believe there are mostly really dump people in the heise forum
15:30 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=5696740&forum_id=56484
15:30 < rxr> I do not respond to this Computer newbies any further - this is an extreme waste of time
15:30 < netrunner> rxr: oh, you didn't know?
15:31  * blindy puts on his premium I-told-you-so-face
15:31 < rxr> I knew there are many dump people - but this is rediculous
15:31  * rxr knows why he develops most of the time and skips forum crap ...
15:33 < netrunner> oh nice, stone asks if it should reboot :)
15:33  * netrunner likes it.
15:38 < rxr> netrunner: so we soon hould be ready for world-domination - eh? ;-)
15:38 < rxr> netrunner: do you have a @rocklinux.org email address?
15:40 < jsaw> gotta go, cu later...
15:40 < netrunner> rxr: yes. :) no
15:40 < rxr> hi jsaw; and cu jsaw 
15:41  * netrunner booting ...
15:41 < dsoul> bye jsaw 
15:41 < netrunner> ciao jsaw
15:41 < netrunner> rxr: have you seen the security updates jsaw pointed out?
15:41 < rxr> netrunner: oehm - no
15:41 < rxr> netrunner: gcc340-fixes-v2.4.26-try4.patch
15:42 < rxr> is ready - could you give it a try? So I push a linux24 update into submaster
15:42 < netrunner> rxr: subversion, neon and cvs affected. patches are in submaster.
15:42 < daja77> thought 2.4 is already fixed
15:42 < rxr> (or you push the submater patch if you like
15:42 < rxr> )
15:42 < netrunner> daja77: patchwork :)
15:42 < daja77> netrunner: ?
15:42 < rxr> daja77: it was mostly - some bits for other optimizations than I used had to be fixed
15:42 < daja77> ah k.
15:42 < daja77> worked for me
15:43 < daja77> rxr: nice flame war
15:43 < rxr> the -try3 depended on optimizaion setting
15:43 < rxr> -try4 shoudl work more often
15:44  * daja77 browsing submaster with safari
15:44 < netrunner> rxr: have you done anything else besides the stuff I did?
15:45 < daja77> rxr: do you think this kdelibs security patch is ok?
15:50 < rxr> netrunner: for linux24? I appended your chunk and added our three names to the top
15:50 < rxr> please retest just to be sure for reference
15:50 < rxr> daja77: yes - I read it on the kde list and so on
15:50 < netrunner> rxr: build started
15:51 < rxr> daja77: I would like release early often policy for this things so we would just pull the next kde version
15:51 < netrunner> rxr: I think the reboot feature forgets to clear /etc/mtab, had to manually empty it ...
15:51 < rxr> daja77: pushing patches around for such things just suck - I do not know why release early release often is such a problem for some projects ... :-(
15:51 < daja77> rxr: well but there is no new release atm
15:52 < rxr> yeah - I know I just wanted to stat this ... this is why I begun with "yes - " ;-)
15:52 < daja77> *gg* ok
15:52 < daja77> the original patched did not apply, wihich sucked most
15:52 < daja77> patches even
15:53 < daja77> cvs diffed stuf is considered evil
15:53 < rxr> .oO(CVS is consider evel ...)
15:53 < daja77> hehe for sure
15:55 < netrunner> damn, gottago
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15:58 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47504
15:58 < rxr> ^- /me off writing a fuse <-> {pop3,imap} module
15:59 < rxr> (me never going to invest in local storage again ,-)
16:00 < daja77> hehe
16:02 < rxr> Gmail does not currently support your browser.
16:02 < rxr>  See browser requirements for Gmail
16:02 < rxr>  or sign in anyway. 
16:03 < netrunner> rxr: build seems to work so far, kde crashes at login (no time to debug, maybe the driver for the graka (via))
16:03 < netrunner> bbl
16:04 < daja77> supporting a browser, what a crap
16:04 < rxr> netrunner: kde w/ gcc-3.4 does work on my iBook ...
16:04 < rxr> in fact I had not a single problem (aside the patches I had to create) with the gcc-3.4 based build, yet
16:04 < rxr> anything is running smothly
16:05 < rxr> gpri
16:05 < daja77> you fixed all kde packages?
16:06 < rxr> ^- oops
16:06 < rxr> daja77: ah no - some build erors still remain - I meant just the stuff that now builds
16:06 < daja77> k. :)
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16:24 [ blindy  ] [ dsoul   ] [ kasc     ] [ mnemoc   ] [ SMP    ] [ th_     ] 
16:24 [ blokkie ] [ fake    ] [ link_    ] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] [ togg    ] 
16:24 [ BoS     ] [ Freak   ] [ LowLander] [ nookie   ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 
16:24 [ cchamilt] [ Frederic] [ luckz    ] [ rolla    ] [ tcr    ] 
16:24 [ daja77  ] [ jsaw    ] [ mistik1  ] [ rxr      ] [ tfing  ] 
16:24 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
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17:07 < blokkie> see you all tomorrow
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17:30 < tiefengrund> hello @ all
17:33 < dsoul> hi tiefengrund 
17:34 < tiefengrund> das rocklinux macht mir kopfschmerzen
17:34 < tiefengrund> will nicht installieren
17:34 < tiefengrund> die secondstage hängt
17:35 < rxr> which version? which archtecture?
17:36 < tiefengrund> 2.0.0 stable and x86
17:39 < rxr> the official desktop one?
17:39 < tiefengrund> yes
17:39 < tiefengrund> ahh
17:39 < rxr> ahh?
17:39 < tiefengrund> one of the files are buggy
17:39 < rxr> md5sum check? or in which way buggy?
17:40 < tiefengrund> 2nd_stage.tar.gz
17:40 < tiefengrund> this is the file
17:41 < tiefengrund> md5sum 2nd_stage.tar.gz
17:42 < tiefengrund> error processing 2nd_stage.tar.gz: fehlgeschlagen in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler
17:42 < rxr> hm - badly burned cd ?
17:42 < tiefengrund> maybe
17:43 < tiefengrund> and if i create the floppys ?
17:44 < rxr> you would need a functional cd for all the packages anyway
17:46 < tiefengrund> hm
17:46 < tiefengrund> and if i  choose the small installation ?
17:47 < rxr> to install packages you either need a CD, or ftp/http server to get the packages ...
17:47 < rxr> (and the 2nd stage)
17:47 < tiefengrund> f**
17:47 < rxr> I would just make sure the CDs are valid
17:47 < rxr> on the server are .md5 files
17:47 < tiefengrund> yes, i have checked them
17:48 < tiefengrund> they are ok
17:48 < rxr> just compare md5sum /dev/cdrom (or what it is on your system) with those files
17:48 < rxr> but why do you get IO errors accessing the 2nd_stage* file then ...
17:48 < tiefengrund> ii dont know
17:48 < tiefengrund> maybe a bad cdr ...
17:49 < rxr> have you really checked the md5sum of your _burned_ CD-R?
17:50 < rxr> if you get a corrupted 2nd_stage a md5sum must also not match ...
17:50 < tiefengrund> hm
17:50 < tiefengrund> i dont know what it is ...
17:50 < tiefengrund> the sums are ok
17:51 < tiefengrund> maybe my cd-drive is damaged
17:53 < rxr> tiefengrund: do you work @ km3 ?
17:53 < tiefengrund> no
17:53 < tiefengrund> thats my ISP
17:54 < rxr> aha
17:54 < tiefengrund> why?
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17:56 < rxr> because it is your hostname ... ?!
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18:21 < armijn> pork linux!
18:22 < SMP> pork soda!
18:22 < armijn> that sounds gross
18:23 < armijn> www.rocklinux.org down?
18:23 < armijn> or just a problem on my side?
18:23 < SMP> not for me
18:24 < armijn> hmm
18:24 < SMP> "pork soda" - song by Primus
18:25 < armijn> ah.
18:25 < armijn> hmm, it works on another machine, so it must be something here that's rotten
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18:30 < armijn> ah well
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19:04 < mnemoc> moin
19:07 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
19:08 < mnemoc> hi rxr
19:09 < mnemoc> i add your rocknet patch, it screams because i don't have a 'default' profile
19:11 < mnemoc> rxr: your boot.msg is almost empty using klog -f or dmesg > ?
19:11 < rxr> using the current code - so klog ...
19:13  * mnemoc wonders about moving dmesg -n 3 to the top of system.init
19:15  * rxr building a PowerPC valgrind
19:15 < mnemoc> :)
19:16 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C993.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:16 < mnemoc> question: clifford votes after a package builds or when adding it to his jornal?
19:17 < rxr> it seems when he adds the next chunk to his build journal
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19:18 < mnemoc> then i can replace un-voted packages without putting him in troubles, and i have to send incremental patches to voted ones?
19:18 < rxr> I do not know how cliffords likes to get thos
19:18 < rxr> e
19:23 < mnemoc> fdxms driver from bootdisk fail to load on some new machines, updating it solves the problem. has mdlbl svn repo? 
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19:34 < kasc> hiyas
19:41 < mnemoc> hi kasc 
19:44 < kasc> just wanted to say that i'm kinda back ;)
19:44 < kasc> currently updating my repos
19:44 < rxr> cool - wb kasc
19:44 < kasc> thx
19:44 < mnemoc> =D
19:44 < kasc> hope the patches are ok...
19:45 < mnemoc> using submaster?
19:45 < kasc> i dont have submaster installed here, but i've submitted my patches via submaster frontend
19:46 < mnemoc> -p0 and description in the top of the .patch :)
19:47 < mnemoc> oh, don't forget an empty line after description
19:47 < kasc> the patches are the way clifford liked them before i took my time off... 
19:47 < mnemoc> omg! you are flooding
19:48 < kasc> -p1 and one patch for every update...
19:49 < mnemoc> one patch per update is ok :)
19:50 < rxr> well smap accepts -p1 - at least clifford claims
19:50 < rxr> kasc: just diff the next ones as -p0 applyable and add a comment in the form
19:50 < rxr> Author:
19:50 < rxr>         * what the patch does
19:51 < rxr> in front of the patch
19:51 < mnemoc> don't forget the empty line :)
19:51 < kasc> i just saw i forgot some... will change them before i submit them ;)
19:52 < mnemoc> =)
19:58 < kasc> is there an easy way to check which packages depend on package x?
19:59 < rxr> kasc: grep (...)
19:59 < kasc> grep through the .cache files?
20:00 < rxr> yep
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20:02 < rxr> egrep "\[DEP\] .*freetype.*" package/*/*/*.cache
20:02 < rxr> or so should do it
20:03 < kasc> seems only pingus depends on clanlib...
20:04 < kasc> didnt more packages used to be dependend on clanlib?
20:11 < rxr> I also grepped for this recently in error logs and also only found pingus
20:11 < rxr> there was clanbomber - but the last times I took a look it was quite broken ...
20:17 < rxr> oh my is this 270Mhz box slow
20:17  * rxr rotating thumbs while waiting for g++
20:18 < kasc> i'd like to upgrade from 0.6 to 0.7 in the near future, but maybe i'd better wait till i check'ed if it also builds with gcc34...
20:22 < netrunner> re
20:22 < netrunner> rxr: your patch built fine, I sm sent it
20:22 < rxr> cool - thanks
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20:38 < netrunner> stupid tail has no option +skip any more :/ 
20:39 < rxr> but I guess some -something equivalent =
20:39 < rxr> ? even
20:40 < netrunner> doesn't help anyway, I tried the blackdown java packages but they are for gcc 3.2 :(
20:40 < rxr> ouch
20:45  * daja77 hates this java binary crap
20:47 < rxr> thus the big ouch ;-)
20:49 < daja77> i recently stumbled over a piece of crap which is distributed with the install_anywhere stuff, which comes with a bundled java vm which crashes on recent linux and you can't replace it simply
20:50 < daja77> works on rh7.0 and so on >_<
20:52  * netrunner needs the java stuff ... :(
20:53 < netrunner> well, I'll leave my build server on the gcc3.2 build for now. But the epia runs nice and smooth.
20:53 < rxr> hm? someone needs Java? *g*
20:53 < rxr> ,)
20:54 < daja77> yes for some so called cross paltform applications
20:56 < tcr> Hmm, tonline is going to dismiss the current flatrate tariff?
20:56 < netrunner> rxr: see, I take the point that each language has it's justification and that I don't flame but use languages each for what they are best.
20:57 < netrunner>  .o( and that ist mostly defined by where the money lives ;)
20:57 < rxr> me was just joking
20:57 < rxr> but I only use free languages - and if I ever should need Java for anything I would take gcj
20:58 < blindy> moin
20:59 < rxr> *lol*
20:59 < rxr> gsmp-obsolete/GSMP/examples$ ./ExtIOStreamTest 
20:59 < rxr> ExtIOStreamTest
20:59 < rxr> MADHelper::Open: 
20:59 < rxr> FrameCache: CTor: 0x38d70
20:59 < rxr> Stream can't open the file ... returning.
20:59 < rxr> FrameCache: DTor: 0x38d70
20:59 < rxr> vi ExtIOStreamTest.cc
20:59 < rxr> oh - lots of hardcoded files from my 3 years old /home layout *g*
20:59 < tcr> What do all the t-online users right here intend to do?
20:59 [Users #rocklinux]
20:59 [ blindy   ] [ dsoul   ] [ kasc     ] [ mistik1  ] [ rxr    ] [ tfing   ] 
20:59 [ blokkie  ] [ fake    ] [ link_    ] [ mnemoc   ] [ SMP    ] [ th_     ] 
20:59 [ cchamilt ] [ Freak   ] [ Lorini   ] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] [ togg    ] 
20:59 [ connyosis] [ Frederic] [ LowLander] [ nookie   ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 
20:59 [ daja77   ] [ jsaw    ] [ luckz    ] [ rolla    ] [ tcr    ] 
20:59 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal]
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21:02 < LowLander> what should we do ?
21:02 < blindy> tcr: hoeh?
21:03 < blindy> tcr: kill my firstborn? Well, it's a long-time goal, but still :)
21:03 < blindy> long-term
21:03 < tcr> Well, aren't they gonna increase the prices or something?
21:04 < blindy> tcr: didn't they already with T-DSL [123]000?
21:04 < LowLander> yeah thats what i thought
21:04 < tcr> I haven't cared about tariffs since I got this t-online flatrate... and I just incidentally got to know that they're going to increase the prices yet another time
21:05 < tcr> blindy, I think that's just going to come. What's up with all those numbers anyway?
21:05 < tcr> I'm a bit puzzled
21:05 < daja77> ringo: ?
21:05 < blindy> tcr: that's the downstream in kBit/s
21:06 < blindy> they have introduced three new speeds, obsoleting the old offers
21:06 < blindy> T-DSL 768 -> T-DSL 1000, 1536 -> 2000, N/A -> 3000
21:06 < blindy> downstream stays as low as before
21:06 < blindy> erm
21:06 < blindy> upstream
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21:08 < ringo> daja77 hi :)
21:08 < tcr> blindy, and a flatrate for 30 ;- euro seems to be provided for 1000 only?
21:08 < blindy> tcr: correct
21:08 < LowLander> upstream goes up a bit too i thought
21:08 < blindy> LowLander: only for 2000 and 3000
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21:08 < LowLander> ahh
21:08 < blindy> for 1000 it stays at 128, 2000 == 192 and 3000 == 256
21:08 < blindy> companies can get 512
21:09 < LowLander> well 2mbit and 3mbit are not worth the money yet
21:09 < tcr> blindy, Sorry for the dumb question but what has been the tariffs for the prior standard one?
21:09 < tcr> 25 or something like that iirc?
21:09 < blindy> 768/128 1536/256
21:09 < blindy> 29,94
21:09 < blindy> for 768
21:09 < LowLander> only bitch is those 24hour disconnects
21:09 < blindy> no idea for 1536
21:09 < daja77> hi ringo ...
21:09 < LowLander> but thats what dyndns is for
21:09 < blindy> LowLander: I softreboot my router every night at 04:00 so I don't really care
21:10 < ringo> I was just clicking in Mirc. Must get some theme ... 
21:10 < LowLander> wow i got a higher upload than download bitrate for FC2 
21:10 < tcr> blindy, Eh, you say the old tariffs was 30 euro already, too?
21:10 < blindy> tcr: yes
21:10 < blindy> tcr: that's what I pay for the T-Online Flatrate
21:11 < LowLander> well you have your ADSL line from the telekom and yer flatrate from t-online
21:11 < blindy> to that 20 EUR for the DSL-"Anschluss"
21:11 < blindy> which increases to 40 EUR for 2000 and IIRC 60 for 3000
21:12 < blindy> and another 20 EUR for 512 kB upstream
21:12  * blindy having a zombie
21:12 < tcr> Well, I'm just asking because my father is just looking up for alternatives. All he has so far come up with was crap with traffic volumne limitation
21:12 < blindy> anyone else want one?
21:12 < LowLander> 11,19 dsl + 25,81 t-online
21:13 < tcr> And I'm not sure why he's actually looking for alternatives. I should maybe ask him ;)
21:13 < ringo> blindy what is ... ?
21:13 < LowLander> + VAT
21:13 < ringo> I am feeling like it .... 
21:13 < blindy> ringo: three flavors of rum and several fruit juices mixed together for fast alcoholic intoxication
21:13 < blindy> s/fast/quick/
21:14 < blindy> you shouldn't have more than two of those per evening
21:14 < ringo> blindy sounds great Ill have a couple ... 
21:16 < blindy> or you might go blind
21:17 < blindy> that thing has just over 20% vol. and lots of fruit sugar to pump it directly into your bloodstream
21:17 < ringo> hmm dont like to go blind, my braille is not so good.
21:17 < blindy> I like this stuff :)
21:20 < LowLander> ok there was a bit to much pepper in my food
21:24 < rxr> oh my - a poket calculator must be faster than this U5 :-(
21:25 < daja77> rxr: feeling better?
21:25 < rxr> you mean due to the U5 or my illness?
21:27 < daja77> the illness of course
21:27 < rxr> yeah - thanks - better, but different and not yet 100% perfect ...
21:27 < rxr> but good enough to acompany Susan to the airport and hack a bit ...
21:30 < daja77> ;-)
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22:25 < daja77> http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/patch-orgy.png
22:27 < rxr> ...
22:28 < netrunner> daja77: oh, you too :)
22:28 < netrunner> my net is so slow today ...
22:31 < daja77> :)
22:31 < daja77> for some strange reasons the samba patch did not apply
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22:33 < daja77> did manually
22:38  * blindy --> bed
22:39 < rxr> n8 blindy 
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