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00:12 < nzg> moin
00:15 < daja77> hi nzg 
00:18 < nzg> i hate being at home...
00:18 < daja77> why
00:18 < nzg> dad has his hands on the isdn-line => not much time online
00:18 < daja77> ic
00:20 < nzg> ic?
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00:21 < daja77> i see ...
00:22 < LowLander> hmmm thats a while back since my dad controlled my online time :-)
00:23 < nzg> when i'm at school, i control it myself because i must pay if im online too much, but here...
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00:51 < rxr> n8 all
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02:07 < giftnuss> Good evening!
02:07 < giftnuss> I need some with submaster.
02:09 < giftnuss> The "sm sync" does not work because there is a syntax error.
02:10 < giftnuss> The second revision is not present.
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03:21 < esden|bbl> hi ho everyone
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03:21 < esden> is someone alive
03:21 < esden> ?
03:24 < esden> humm seems not
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04:58 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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08:24 < jsaw> g'morning
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09:18 < fake> hm
09:19 < esden|zZz> good morning everyone
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09:19 < fake> moin esden
09:20 < esden> hi fake 
09:20 < fake> hum,breakfast... brb
09:20  * esden stands us so early only to realize that today is a holyday and that it was unnesseseray ... >_<
09:27 < blindy> moin
09:27 < esden> moin blindy 
09:27  * blindy has become fond of C++ as well as SDL_image ^^
09:28 < blindy> moin esden 
09:29 < netrunner> moin
09:31 < esden> hehe ... everybody comes to sanity ... that is good ;)
09:31 < esden> moin netrunner 
09:36 < blindy> esden: well, I need a Single-Player-Final-Fantasy-Legend-like Game-Engine
09:36 < blindy> esden: and haven't found a usable one that is still being worked on
09:36 < blindy> esden: so I needed to start my own
09:36 < blindy> esden: which was also a good reason to work a bit with C++
09:37 < esden> lol good blindy ... every day is a good day to learn a new language ;)
09:40 < daja77> moin
09:41 < netrunner> hi daja77 
09:41 < daja77> hi netrunner 
09:41  * netrunner walks downstairs looking for his eggs
09:41 < daja77> .oO (download skript has strange priorities)
09:43 < esden> ???
09:44 < daja77> i'd need linux26 before starnge kde apps to start my build >_<
09:46 < esden> lol
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09:46 < daja77> ah ic kernel.org is down and 2.6.6 is not on the mirror >_<
09:48 < blindy> well, it really is but a mix of C with some object orientated stuff that only compiles with g++
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09:51 < esden> rofl blindy you have no idea what you are talking about
09:51 < esden> really
09:51 < daja77> nice my university has a kernel.org mirror ...
09:52 < blindy> esden: correct ^^
09:52 < blindy> I started to code that while being "just a bit" drunk
09:52 < blindy> and it works :)
09:52 < daja77> blindy: you've searched sf for such a thing?
09:52 < blindy> daja77: yes, but the best I found was Adonthell which doesn't look maintained
09:52 < esden> blindy: just a bit? ... _JUST_ a _BIT_???
09:53 < blindy> esden: well... a zombie on an empty stomach, if you must know
09:53 < esden> hehe
09:54 < esden> I wanted to write a dependancy resolver some hours ago ... but I left it after I realyzed that I really feel zombielike
09:54 < esden> ok ... I watch "Wonderfull Days" now
09:54 < esden> cu l8er
09:54 < daja77> that reminds me that I still haven't got drunk with esden
09:54 < daja77> cu esden 
09:54 < esden> daja77: we still have to do that
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09:55 < daja77> yep cu
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10:15 < blindy> bbl
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10:16 < owl> ...
10:29 < fake> *yawn*
10:30 < fake> esden drunk is funnny
10:30 < fake> we once danced around a table to irish folk music
10:30 < fake> boy were we drunk
10:31 < fake> hi owl
10:32 < daja77> lol hi fake
10:53 < fake> http://antenne.vol.at/Cache/01010285.asp
10:53 < fake> could you please vote for 'kevins campfire' ?
10:53 < fake> just click on 'ueber das internet abstimmen' on the bottom of the page
10:53 < fake> it's a band of a friend
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11:31 < fake> now this is evil
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11:35 < fake> whenever i opened a fifo O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK (which fails cause noones got it open for readin), alle successive calls to open() it O_RDONLY does not block
11:35 < fake> why?
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11:36 < LowLander> morning
11:36 < fake> morning LowLander!
11:36 < fake> as you see, i've still got fifo problems ;)
11:36 < fake> O_RDWR is evil
11:37 < LowLander> why ?
11:37 < LowLander> actually i thinkO_RDWR is a linuxism
11:37 < fake> yep, that's the problem
11:38 < fake> openbsd doesn't like such linuxism ;)
11:38 < LowLander> well at that point i didn't know you were using BSD :-)
11:38 < fake> can i check wether an open() on a fifo would block?
11:38 < fake> access(...W_OK) doesn't work
11:39 < LowLander> hmm by trying a open i guess
11:40 < LowLander> btw what do you need the FIFO for in the first place ?
11:41 < fake> i have a daemon listening on a fifo, and i want to tell it stuff
11:41 < LowLander> so it is some sort of command fifo ?
11:41 < fake> yes
11:41 < LowLander> what kind of commands ?
11:42 < fake> its very hard to find good readings about this
11:42 < fake> just one command
11:42 < fake> <nick> <ip-address>
11:42 < LowLander> why not use a socket ?
11:42 < fake> security
11:42 < LowLander> that way you can send commands from another computer too
11:42 < fake> LowLander: i can ;)
11:43 < LowLander> use unix-domain sockets
11:43 < fake> i have a dumb user with a cat-into-fifo-program as shell
11:43 < fake> and i use libssh and prepropagated keys to acces it
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11:44 < fake> thus i can 1) assure the authency of a host and 2) don't need another open port
11:44 < fake> so noone knows i have such a daemon running
11:44 < owl> hi fake 
11:44 < LowLander> true, but you might wanna look into unix-domain sockets
11:44 < fake> LowLander: manpage?
11:45 < fake> hi owl!
11:45 < LowLander> socket, recv, send 
11:46 < fake> 7 unix ;)
11:49 < Lorini> hi fake
11:50 < daja77> hi Lorini 
11:50 < fake> hi Lorini
11:50 < Lorini> huhu daja
11:51 < fake> jackpot: http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~bentlema/unix/advipc/ipc.html
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12:31 < netrunner> how can I use more fonts in openoffice like the windows fonts?
12:38 < owl> hi esden 
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12:46 < LocalHero> rxr: Hi, still got problem with the isos?
12:50 < rxr> ah - now they are there ...
12:50 < blindy> rehi
12:50 < rxr> have you changed s.th.?
12:50 < owl> hi LocalHero , rxr , blindy 
13:09 < LocalHero> owl: hi :)
13:10 < LocalHero> rxr: i think a mount hade been unmounted :(.. Hmm, havent had time to do any work on the site for some time. But this summer i will be unemployed and then i will have lots of time for rocklinux :)
13:11 < fake> LowLander: boy, i should have used unix sockets from the beginning
13:12 < LowLander> fake :-) so it is doing what it should do now ?
13:13 < LocalHero> rxr: did you have new isos on its way. Just let me know when you baseline a new version and i will this time create one iso for every arch :)
13:15 < fake> LowLander: like a charm
13:16 < LowLander> cool :-)
13:17 < LowLander> fake so when do i get my live-cd ;-P
13:17 < dsoul> lol
13:18 < fake> LowLander: i could sm send it right now, but there's a bug in linuxrc left, i'm afraid
13:18 < LowLander> whats wrong ?
13:19 < fake> hm, a vital insmod fails if done inside the linuxrc, it succeeds in the static shell though
13:19 < LowLander> any idea why ?
13:19 < LowLander> search path or so ?
13:29 < rxr> LocalHero: you want to build a iso for each arch?
13:30 < LocalHero> rxr: Well that would be nice but i dont have any other arch than x86 :(.. So i thought that i could supply isos for 386,486,586 etc. I have the space but i dont want to build old stuff when new stuff is on its way in some days :)
13:30 < rxr> I think we should not build so many different x86 isos
13:30 < dsoul> LocalHero wait for my project of remote compilation :P
13:31 < rxr> dsoul: ?
13:31 < LocalHero> rxr: oki?
13:31 < rxr> if you have too much space we should rather extract the isos so people can officially do network installs ...
13:31 < dsoul> web form with compilation options
13:32 < rxr> dsoul: and then? you get one package or an iso
13:32 < rxr> ?
13:32 < dsoul> rxr as you choose
13:32 < LocalHero> rxr: that would be nice.. Hmm, i will put it on my todo list. In the begining of juni i will be free from school for this summer and then i will fix the ftp and all that so that everybody has got a nice workbench :)..
13:33 < LocalHero> By the way. How do you efficently update your rockinstallation when new security bugs are found?
13:35 < dsoul> rxr i've got a spare serv, with some free horsepower :)
13:36 < rxr> LocalHero: either do manual Emerge-Pkg or Update-System when you re inside a stable series
13:39 < LocalHero> rxr: sounds like a lot of compiling :)
13:40 < rxr> LocalHero: no - inside a stable series not too much changes
13:41 < LocalHero> rxr: thats true but i tried it
13:41 < LocalHero> cd /usr/src/rock-src/ 
13:41 < LocalHero> ./scripts/Update-System
13:41 < LocalHero> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found!
13:41 < LocalHero> so i guess that the config for building the system was not submitted on the isos :(..
13:42 < rxr> it should be in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG or so
13:42 < rxr> yep there it is
13:44 < LocalHero> rxr: oki, thanx :)
13:45 < LocalHero> rxr: Are there any plan for a network based solution for package updates. Like if you have a whole lot of system and want them to be uptodate?
13:45 < fake> LowLander: not yet.
13:45 < fake> LowLander: but once i can finally finish the other stuff, i'll have a look at it
13:45 < daja77> there is a first version of rocket, haven't tried yet
13:47 < LocalHero> daja77: oki, any info on where to find it?
13:50 < rxr> in mine
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14:06 < LocalHero> cya all
14:06 < dsoul> bye LocalHero 
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14:33 < rolla> re
14:36 < daja77> hi rolla, still here?
14:46 < dsoul> hi rolla 
14:59 < rolla> daja77: yes
14:59 < daja77> so you start tomorrow?
15:00 < rolla> yes :)
15:01 < daja77> 1good :)
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16:38 [ blindy    ] [ dsoul] [ kasc   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rolla  ] [ tfing   ] 
16:38 [ blokkie_  ] [ esden] [ link_  ] [ netrunner] [ rxr    ] [ th_     ] 
16:38 [ cchamilt  ] [ fake ] [ lowy   ] [ nookie_  ] [ SMP    ] [ togg    ] 
16:38 [ christian_] [ Freak] [ luckz  ] [ owl      ] [ snyke  ] [ valentin] 
16:38 [ daja77    ] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1] [ ringo    ] [ StefanG] 
16:38 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal]
16:45 < ringo> hmmm quiet around here.
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16:52  * ringo must wait 3hr for new rock distro ...
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16:57 < mnemoc> moin
16:58 < ringo> moin mnemoc
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17:00 < mnemoc> hi ringo
17:01 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
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17:01 < dsoul> hi ringo 
17:03 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
17:04 < ringo> hi dsoul 
17:04 < rxr> hi ringo mnemoc 
17:04 < dsoul> hi rxr 
17:05 < ringo> hi rxr
17:07 < mnemoc> hi rxr
17:07 < ringo> 44% of ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/official/stable/2.0.0/desktop/drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso ...
17:08 < valentin> mnemoc: what exactly was broken by undefing yy_set_bol, the generated scanner ?
17:08 < mnemoc> clip
17:08 < mnemoc> but know the tarball includes an updated .lex then lex is not called on build time
17:09 < valentin> yes, but what. did yy_set_bol apear in the scanner or elswhere in clip ?
17:09 < mnemoc> s/know/now/
17:09 < valentin> i still do not get why flex people undef all that stuff in the header
17:10 < valentin> at least undefing yy_textptr breaks generated scanners
17:10 < mnemoc> i consider that undefines as human stupidity
17:11 < valentin> i consider unsing to much macros as stupidity
17:12 < mnemoc> clip use, in the third block of clic.lex a couple of calls to yy_set_bol
17:12 < mnemoc> that's true too :)
17:12 < valentin> with argument ?
17:12 < mnemoc> boolean
17:12 < valentin> like yy_set_bol(position)
17:12 < mnemoc> 0 and 1
17:12 < mnemoc> iirc bol means begin of line
17:13 < valentin> yes
17:14 < valentin> flex defines this macro as:
17:14 < valentin> "#define yy_set_bol(at_bol) \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "     { \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "     if ( ! YY_CURRENT_BUFFER ){\\",
17:14 < valentin>   "        yyensure_buffer_stack (M4_YY_CALL_ONLY_ARG); \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "             YY_CURRENT_BUFFER_LVALUE =    \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "            yy_create_buffer( yyin, YY_BUF_SIZE M4_YY_CALL_LAST_ARG); \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "     } \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "     YY_CURRENT_BUFFER_LVALUE->yy_at_bol = at_bol; \\",
17:14 < valentin>   "     }",
17:14 < valentin>   "]])",
17:14 < valentin> (still do not get why they use a macro instead of an inline function)
17:15 < valentin> but in flex evrythings a macro...
17:15 < mnemoc> didn't lex do the same?
17:15 < valentin> maybe, i never took a look at lex
17:17 < mnemoc> flex is almost abandon-ware, i don't expect to see modern code technics there ;)
17:20 < valentin> but we are all stuck with it
17:20 < mnemoc> there is any 1:1 replacement?
17:21 < valentin> no, as far as i'm concerned
17:22 < valentin> maybe someone should write some - but it would be inconsistent to the original flex in many ways. There are too many projects that rely on some oddities of flex
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17:24 < nzg> moin
17:24 < valentin> moin ngz
17:24 < mnemoc> valentin: macros tend to produce that
17:24 < mnemoc> mon nzg 
17:25 < dsoul> hi nzg 
17:25 < nzg> moin valentin,mnemoc,dsoul
17:25 < valentin> mnemoc: thats why i hate them. I'm still thinking about wether we should un-undef all 7 macros instead of the two
17:26 < valentin> but lets be conservative - i'll vote for your patch as it is now
17:26 < mnemoc> :)
17:26 < mnemoc> thanks
17:30 < valentin> The flex mailinglist is dead, too - every two or three weeks there is some mail from some people complaining about a bug or sending in a fix, but there is no reply from the maintainers
17:31 < valentin> i once thought about taking over flex maintance, but it's all those macro shit that keeps me away from doing so
17:33 < rxr> do it anyway
17:33 < mnemoc> :)
17:33 < rxr> review a patch every three weeks is not that much work
17:34 < mnemoc> you can set the macros to call inline and keep compatibility
17:34 < rxr> you do not need to make the most modern parser out of it ...
17:34 < mnemoc> ack
17:34 < valentin> rxr: my prob is that there is no documentation about all those macro stuff, but half of the world is using it anyway
17:35 < valentin> i would rather reimplement flex following the "oficial" documentation from the info page
17:36 < mnemoc> that's a big job
17:36 < valentin> but then i guess there will be > 300 errors in the reference build
17:36 < valentin> and even more errors on runtime :(
17:37 < mnemoc> start from current and fix it
17:37 < mnemoc> and _clean_ it :p
17:37 < valentin> i thought so - but fixing becomes guessing
17:37 < valentin> about semantic
17:38 < mnemoc> true too
17:38 < valentin> as you see, i even did not manage to find out why flex undefs those 7 macros - as a maintainer i would simply kick those lines but maybe that breaks it
17:39 < valentin> i have the feeling thats why the current maintainers gave up
17:39 < rxr> you do not need a full ROCK Linux builds as regressions test
17:40 < rxr> just maintaining a list of the flex using - or intensively flex using packages and rebuilding them into your system should be sufficient ..
17:41 < valentin> maybe i should register flex-consulting.com ,)
17:42 < mnemoc> lol
17:43 < valentin> strange, the flex info page even names yy_set_bol as a public function - so that undef is realy wrong
17:56 < netrunner> xorg is nice.
18:08 < rxr> netrunner: ?
18:11 < owl> someone from IN has free time today?
18:13 < owl> blindy, esden, fake - someone of you maybe?
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18:44 < blokkie> re
18:56 < blokkie> I've ran ./Download && ./Update-System  but when I want to do ./Emerge-Pkg -dep mplayer  it still wants to upgrade all kinds of stuff I don't need . What is the best way to install gnome with all deps , or at least upgrade my entire system with gnome2 ?
19:00 < rxr> blokkie: Update-System already updated nearly any package on your system?
19:01 < blokkie> nope
19:01 < blokkie> it did nothin
19:01 < blokkie> I still have gcc332
19:02 < blokkie> now when I run ./Update-System it jsut comes back with a new prompt, which means all is OK  right ?
19:02 < rxr> what gcc do you expect to have after an update?
19:03 < blokkie> 3.4
19:03 < blokkie> I also still have the old kernels
19:03 < rxr> 3.4 is not yet in svn - is it queued in submaster
19:03 < blokkie> 2.4.22  for example
19:03 < rxr> you also should not do this in your running system - you also need a glibc update for this and so on ...
19:04 < blokkie> ok .. fine, I can live with that, but how do I install gnome2 with all it's deps automaticly ?
19:04 < rxr> what ROCK version did you initially install?
19:04 < blokkie> 2.1
19:04 < rxr> 2.1 from CD ?
19:04 < blokkie> yes
19:05 < rxr> did we had 2.1 with a 2.4.22 kernel ?
19:05 < blokkie> minimal cd, then grabbed the svn repo like you said from trunk , then started upgrading parts from trunk
19:05 < rxr> ic
19:05 < blokkie> I don't know what the default kernel is on the CD :'(
19:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-UpdList 
19:06 < rxr> does yield s.th. on your system ?
19:06 < blokkie> Sec , should I run that script now ?
19:06 < rxr> jups
19:07 < blokkie> ok .. hold on 
19:07 < rxr> but do not post the full output here ...
19:07 < blokkie> (ps: thx for your time)
19:07 < rxr> it should yields quite a lot (normally)
19:07 < blokkie> mplayer is still compiling , sec
19:08 < rxr> you can run it in parallel
19:08 < blokkie> yep .. a HUGE list insdeed
19:08 < rxr> Create-UpdList is non instrusive it just generates output
19:08 < blokkie> do I need to emerge 'em one by one ?
19:08 < rxr> no - this is data used by Update-System
19:09 < blokkie> wich doesn't work atm
19:09 < fake> *ARGH*
19:09 < rxr> do you only get "Not installed." or do you also get version updates and checksum changs?
19:09 < fake> SMP: are you here?
19:09 < SMP> yeah
19:09 < blokkie> only "Not Installed"
19:10 < fake> SMP: now my isakmpd is driving me mad
19:10 < rxr> ok - Update-System does not install stuff not installed
19:11 < fake> SMP: all it keeps saying is "dropped message from 'other peer', no_proposal_chosen"
19:11 < blokkie> :-) obvious and clear , I'll install all listed one by one then
19:11 < rxr> it is intended to keep remote boxes on sync where you just want to have security stuff of installed packages to be rebuild ...
19:11 < rxr> blokkie: no
19:11 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2
19:11 < rxr> if you want gnome2
19:11 < blokkie> ow ow ow 
19:11 < fake> SMP: and 'no response on 'sent message id', maybe dropped blabla
19:12 < rxr> and "-dep" if you want to ensure all the build requirements are built, too
19:12 < rxr> (but -dep is still a bit experimental often builds too much ...)
19:12 < SMP> fake: /query
19:12 < blokkie> -dep  also installes mysql etc .. which I don't need
19:12 < rxr> then try without -dep and rebuild single dependencies when you see packages failing because of them :-(
19:12 < blokkie> rxr: you are my hero of the day !! I was not feeling into grabbing all the deps one by one :-)
19:13 < blokkie> rxr:  where can I find a lsit of -repository 's .?
19:13 < rxr> when you have a normal system with X most gnome2 should build
19:13 < rxr> blokkie: "ls -l package/"
19:13 < blokkie> Blackbox runs, thunderbird too , it was just that big gnome2
19:13 < rxr> or better just "ls package/"
19:14 < blokkie> okelidokeli
19:14 < rxr> just try "./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2" then
19:14 < blokkie> yes
19:14 < blokkie> allready running :-)
19:15 < blokkie> do I also need to compile 2.6 myself and grab the source from kernel.org , or is there a kernel-2.6.x package patched etc for rock ?
19:15 < blokkie> same for OO.o 
19:17 < blokkie> this is great info !! I'll use all this stuff for building AMD iso next week
19:17 < blokkie> AMD64 that is ;-)
19:19 < tfing> rxr: liferea requires gtkhtml-2 and with gnome2, you have upgraded to gtkhtml 3, should i create a new package or compile gtkhtml-2 in liferea or sthg else ?
19:20 < rxr> tfing: no inpackage comilation
19:20 < rxr> create the usual compat package gtkhtml2 or so
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19:23 [ blindy    ] [ fake         ] [ lowy     ] [ ringo  ] [ tfing   ] 
19:23 [ blokkie   ] [ Freak        ] [ luckz    ] [ rolla  ] [ th_     ] 
19:23 [ christian_] [ jsaw         ] [ mistik1  ] [ rxr    ] [ togg    ] 
19:23 [ daja77    ] [ juniorwailing] [ mnemoc   ] [ SMP    ] [ valentin] 
19:23 [ dsoul     ] [ kasc         ] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] 
19:23 [ esden     ] [ link_        ] [ nookie_  ] [ StefanG] 
19:23 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
19:34 < netrunner> rxr: nice as it works fine and supports my exotic hardware
19:35 < rxr> but XFree did the same
19:35 < rxr> X.org is a cp Xfree86 ...
19:37 < netrunner> svn: Unknown hostname 'svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de ??
19:37 < netrunner> stupid telekom with their nameserver probably
19:38 < netrunner> rxr: afaik they applied some patches that were rejected on the other side.
19:40 < netrunner> now the connection times out :/
19:41 < blokkie> glut needs tcsh  ./Emerge-Pkg -repository x11  fails on this dep , is it wurth that I mention these hickups here ?
19:42 < netrunner> rxr: your svn2 does not reply. also tested from uni.
19:45 < rxr> oehm
19:47 < rxr> ach damn sh*t f*ck
19:47 < rxr> I got some mail that the uni closed nearly all ports due to windows worms
19:47 < rxr> damn - maybe my svn port is now rejected in the global firewall
19:48 < blokkie> yeah .. incidents.org (insecurity's mailinglist about wurms etc) has had alot of traffic the last couple of days 
19:53  * netrunner adding svn as svn2 in /etc/hosts :)
19:55  * netrunner found svn resolved
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19:58  * rxr wrote angry letter to uni sysadmins
19:58 < rxr> incl. offer of replace of Windows machines with ROCK Linux incl. free Administration ...
19:58 < rxr> damn crap
19:58 < rxr> every month the network there get's less usable
19:59 < rxr> someday it is not a network anymore ...
20:02 < blokkie> where is doxygen ?
20:02 < blokkie> it's not in the packages
20:03 < rxr> should be
20:04 < blokkie> ah sorry
20:04 < blokkie> :-)
20:11 < tfing> rxr: forget about the gtkhtml compat stuff, i was mixing gtkhtml and libgtkhtml
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20:49 < kasc> has anyone else problems building the new glibc?
20:51 < daja77> re
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20:56 < rxr> 2.3.4-cvs ?
20:56 < kasc> yep
20:57 < kasc> got some errors in memcmp.S
20:57 < rxr> you use gcc-3.4 for ti ?
20:58 < kasc> gcc-3.2
20:58 < kasc> gcc-3.4 didnt work for some reason i didnt try to find out, yet ;)
20:58 < rxr> hm - I have not tested this - w/ gcc-3.4 nobody complained here
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21:00 < dsoul> kasc .section .rodata?
21:01 < kasc> something like that, yes
21:01 < dsoul> i had the same problem
21:01 < dsoul> removing this line helps
21:01 < dsoul> but there was other problems with makefiles in stage 3
21:02 < kasc> ../sysdeps/i386/i686/memcmp.S: Assembler messages:
21:02 < kasc> ../sysdeps/i386/i686/memcmp.S:390: Error: can't resolve `.rodata' {.rodata section} - `memcmp' {.text section}
21:02 < kasc> make[2]: *** [/update/trunk/src.glibc23.1085073868.11431.2887588441/glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01/objdir/string/memcmp.o] Error 1
21:02 < kasc> i dont think, removing it is a good choice
21:03 < dsoul> why?
21:03 < dsoul> in older cvs version memcmp.S didnt have this line
21:05 < rxr> what was the commit text for the commit adding it ?
21:06 < daja77> strange the kdetv package is scheduled right aufter linux24, but build priority seems to be ok
21:07 < dsoul> rxr "Move table to .rodata."
21:08 < dsoul> and only this line was added
21:09 < dsoul> kasc i know its not good that the problem exists but its good that not only i have it :P
21:09 < kasc> hehe
21:10 < rxr> hm
21:10 < dsoul> i thought that its my local problem with some specific config
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21:16 < MadTux> yo.
21:16 < daja77> sup
21:18 < MadTux> the sky.. and alot of rain, and storms..
21:18 < MadTux> looks like the end of the world here.
21:18 < MadTux> :)
21:18 < MadTux> there?
21:19 < daja77> sunset, nice and cool
21:19 < MadTux> oh... sprry to hear that.
21:19 < MadTux> sorry*
21:20 < esden> hi ho everyone
21:21 < MadTux> hey esden :)
21:21 < dsoul> hi esden 
21:21 < esden> hi MadTux *hug* ;)
21:21 < dsoul> hi MadTux 
21:21 < daja77> hi esden 
21:21 < esden> hi daja77 
21:21 < esden> argl
21:21 < esden> i mean dsoul
21:21 < daja77> ts
21:21 < esden> hi daja77  ... too ;)
21:21 < dsoul> :)
21:22 < esden> sorry ... my brain has currently problems fighting ethanol ;)
21:23 < daja77> *hehe*
21:23 < dsoul> :P
21:23 < esden> how are you guys?
21:24 < daja77> <- fine
21:25 < dsoul> not counting glibc, good :)
21:25 < daja77> glibc never counts
21:28 < kasc> and gcc34 doesnt seem to find my libiberty ...
21:29 < esden> ohh .. glibc is a thing that always has to be filtered out ;)
21:29 < daja77> ack
21:29 < blindy> esden: ethanol? and I was not invited?
21:29 < esden> blindy: it was spontanous ... 
21:29 < blindy> esden: I'd have come to munich spontaneous >_<
21:29 < esden> reutter came by ... at my place ... you are always invited ... you know that!!!
21:30 < blindy> yes, I know
21:30 < esden> you can come by whenever you want to ... you are always welcome!
21:31 < esden> and we will drink till our brains contain no gray cells anymore ... only ... erm ... black ... or something similar ;)
21:31 < blindy> heh, I have enough alcohol for about 5 people to get completely wasted
21:31 < esden> hehe ... nice!
21:32 < esden> I really have to visit you another time I am in IN ;) ... we willl have fun ... ;) ... you invite the girls ;)
21:32 < daja77> .oO (#drunklinux)
21:32 < blindy> ok
21:33 < blindy> guess I can get around 3-4 girls
21:33 < esden> ohh nice!
21:33 < blindy> daja77: nah, just been a lousy day, that's all :)
21:33 < daja77> agreed
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21:40 < nzg> moin
21:40 < daja77> hi ng
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21:41  * daja77 wondering why two of packages are scheduled between linux24 and linux26 on stage 5
21:41 < daja77> of your
21:41 < blindy> mine?
21:41 < daja77> no nzg
21:41 < blindy> oh
21:42 < nzg> ?
21:43 < nzg> daja77: which ones?
21:43  * blindy --> bed
21:43 < esden> n8 blindy 
21:43 < rxr> oh - /me just notices my gcc34 build was w/ debugging symbols ...
21:43 < nzg> n8 blindy
21:43 < rxr> no onder my /home partition is full ...
21:43 < esden> hi nzg 
21:44 < daja77> kdetv and splint
21:44 < nzg> moin esden
21:44 < nzg> k, will fix it
21:44 < nzg> thx
21:44 < daja77> np
21:45 < fake> so...
21:45 < fake> livecd sm send only minutes away
21:46 < daja77> nice!
21:46 < daja77> fake: got an order for a special live cd based on rock yesterday
21:48 < lowy> daja77, stop talking to fake , and let him finish his work ;-P
21:48 < daja77> hey lowy 
21:48 < lowy> evening :-)
21:48 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander
21:48 < dsoul> hi LowLander 
21:49 < fake> LowLander: your long-awaited sm send is coming...
21:49 < esden> ok ... I go off to bed now too
21:49 < esden> cu all
21:49 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz
21:49 < dsoul> bye esden|zZz 
21:52 < nzg> n8 esden
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22:08 < mnemoc> rehi
22:08 < daja77> re mnemoc 
22:09 < mnemoc> daja77! :)
22:17 < netrunner> re friom da beergarden :*)
22:18 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:20 < mnemoc> what's a beer garden?
22:20 < netrunner> it's like a garden where the beer flows in rivers :)
22:21 < mnemoc> oh =)
22:21 < daja77> no place for me then
22:21 < netrunner> http://www.biergarten.com/
22:22 < rxr> this damn gdb
22:22 < rxr> how can a debugger be that crappy
22:22 < daja77> rxr: because of the g ...
22:23 < mnemoc> ms makes nice debuggers ;)
22:23 < netrunner> somebody sm sent a whole bunch of updates without cksum to submaster :( now I have to resolve tons of conflicts.
22:23 < daja77> ah you too
22:25 < netrunner> argl. now my dog sits on my lap:/
22:26 < daja77> rofl
22:26 < daja77> +h 
22:26  * daja77 hides
22:27 < nzg> mnemoc: ACK
22:27 < daja77> why they don't use them :D
22:28 < nzg> yes they should, and the should port it to linux
22:28 < mnemoc> yeah :)
22:28 < daja77> ms visual studio on linux *shudder*
22:28 < rxr> I worked with the v6 debugger it sucked, too
22:28 < rxr> daja77: I would not use this crap
22:29 < rxr> daja77: my commercial time writing aircraft CAD stuff with it was my unproductivst developer time
22:29 < rxr> this damn studio sucked mayorly
22:29 < nzg> rxr: why? it has all features one want to have in a debugger
22:29 < daja77> debuggers are for whimps *gd&r*
22:29 < rxr> maybe the newer ones are better - that was v6
22:30 < nzg> i use v6 mostly for debugging
22:30 < blokkie> si there a place where I can find more info about the creation of a config file to build a ISO ? 
22:31 < rxr> the version 6 things sucks even more than gdb
22:32 < nzg> i prefer to see all current vars when the debugger fires up instead of typing something at the gdb-prompt
22:32 < daja77> for my last project i could not use a debugger anyway
22:33 < nzg> it saves time if you get the information you want without doing anything
22:35 < netrunner> damn, shouldn't commit stuff after beergarden ... "added a gscheides Makefile" ;)
22:39 < nzg> ;-)
22:39 < nzg> offline again
22:40 < nzg> cya
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22:43 < daja77> lol netrunner 
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22:48 < ringo> can I download individual binary  packages from ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/official/stable/2.0.0/desktop/drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso somewhere ? 
22:50 < netrunner> youp. mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount -o loop /drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso; descend into /mnt/tmp/*/pkgs and go on :)
22:51 < ringo> yups know that but I dont want to download the whole iso. 
22:52 < ringo> I thought  maybe they are somewhere online...
22:52 < netrunner> probably not. you can download the src and build it yourself.
22:53 < ringo> sounds fun ... The IŽll have to wait untill tomorrow to get some cdŽs to packup an allmost unused part.
22:54 < blokkie> :-)
22:54 < blokkie> I like the /opt/e17  dir 
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22:56 < ringo> copying 3,5 gig then IŽll have an empy part ... 
22:59 < fake> LowLander: it's up
23:00 < LowLander> cool :-)
23:05 < rxr> fake: livecd somewhere?
23:18 < fake> rxr: in sm
23:19 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004052021514904062
23:19 < fake> and
23:19 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004052022023504269
23:20 < mnemoc> i think he was asking for an iso :)
23:23 < rxr> yes - I was
23:24 < rxr> I think I just tag 2.0.1 now
23:25 < rxr> and then we can finally pull all the other wanna haves from trunk and rebuild our ISOs ...
23:31 < blokkie> some people say building from source is not wurth the effort, well, rocklinux proves the diff. Thunderbird and firefox are super fast and all other apps I've tried are 2/3 faster then  anything I've seen before
23:31  * daja77 currently rebuilding
23:32 < rxr> blokkie: this is nice to hear ;-)!
23:32 < rxr> maybe I add your comment to the "Happy user" part of the homepage ?
23:32 < blokkie> oh, maybe , but for me it's extremely nice to see the big diff !! 
23:33 < blokkie> yes, please do , it's so obvious :-)
23:33 < daja77> oh i fear i have to fix gcc2 soon
23:33 < rxr> for gcc-3.4 ?
23:33 < daja77> yes
23:33 < rxr> blokkie: you use the exact optimizaion setting for your CPU?
23:33 < rxr> daja77: also saw this ... ,)
23:34 < blokkie> yes , I used  32lib  and replaced GENERIC with AMD athlon XP
23:34 < rxr> clifford asked if it is worth it - or if we just should kick gcc-2.95 ...
23:34 < daja77> rxr: well I'd like to kick this crap out, thing is I still need it :(
23:34 < rxr> yeah - I also would like to keep it for reference
23:34 < rxr> blokkie: you did not changed the expert settings I guess?
23:35 < blokkie> nope
23:35 < blokkie> I'm no expert dear
23:35 < blokkie> I've just changed the CPU parameters 
23:36 < blokkie> when I'm chrooting into my AMD64 hw , I'll poke the expert part , but that is for later this week
23:37 < rxr> so you optimize for size (-Os instead of -O2) - unlike other people always pretend this is normally a major performance boost, due to increased binary size and less CPU cache dirtyness)
23:37 < blokkie> yes
23:37 < rxr> ouhm - amd64 might not yet compile very nicely - cause onone here has the hardware to devel on ...
23:38 < blokkie> rxr:  My idea was, as I was here before asking about amd64 bit stuff, that I make a chrooted env, build the basics and setup sshd , then give ssh access to those who need it here 
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23:39 < mnemoc> that can work :)
23:39 < blokkie> if I cannot commit code , or help debugging coz I just don't understand everything, I just might help rock by giving access to HW 
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23:41 < blokkie> My intention is, to make a 30 Gig slice for rock , put on 10 gig Mandrake-AMD64 , and chroot into the 30 gig , then set up the base and reboot in rock once it's build
23:43 < rxr> you could just install a 32bit ROCK ...
23:43 < rxr> or I could finally fix cross-compiling for amd64 ...
23:43 < rxr> so it finally has no build errors anymore ...
23:44 < rxr> (and at the same time add PowerPC64 ...)
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23:47 < blokkie> well , I just mkfs a big HD slice , cp the scripts etc to it , and chroot . Then ./Emerge-Pkg from there  after the ./Config 
23:47 < blokkie> or I don't know if there is a better way , to get a _native_ 64bit version ?
23:48 < blokkie> sshd can be set up in the mdk32 bit version 
23:48 < blokkie> just a matter of what is best
23:53 < mnemoc> cross build only include stages 1-2
23:54 < mnemoc> then a native build is far more complete
23:57 < rxr> blokkie: Emerge-Pkg always builds into the running system
23:57 < rxr> for new stand-alone builds you want Build-Target
23:58 < blokkie> ok
23:58 < blokkie> I might ask some stuff when I set the env up , I hope you all dont mind 
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