--- Log opened Wed May 26 00:00:01 2004
--- Day changed Wed May 26 2004
00:00 < owl> hi mn
00:00 < owl> mnemoc: 
00:00 < mnemoc> have a nice vacation :)
00:02 < owl> thx :)
00:02 < owl> i will have - even if i am sad today (because i have to leave my birds, my hamster and my guitar (and my notebook) alone)
00:03 < mnemoc> .oO( roasted hamster )
00:04 < owl> roasted? why roasted?
00:06 < mnemoc> tasty :)
00:06 < mnemoc> but don't worry, i don't live near you :p
00:07 < mnemoc> your hamster will be safe
00:07 < owl> and sometimes i think it's better :p
00:15 < mnemoc> why the guitar?
00:16 < owl> hmm. i dunno. maybe because it's one of those things i'm always using - when i'm happy, when i'm sad, even if i'm crying or just happy. you can express how you feel, not with words, but in the sound. and playing it, and writing songs - in impulse. 
00:23 < mnemoc> you will have dance then ;)
00:24 < owl> dance?
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00:25 < mnemoc> to express what you feel without words
00:26 < owl> hmm. nah. guitar ;)
00:28 < mnemoc> i said dance! if you don't, i'll go to eat your hamster _roasted_
00:28 < owl> O_o
00:28  * owl kicks mnemoc :P
00:29 < owl> i guess you don't want to see an elephant or mammut dancing?
00:30 < mnemoc> elephant or mammut, no. but an owlie, yes.
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00:31 < owl> <- mammut, elephant, fat pig
00:32  * mnemoc disagree
00:32 < owl> mnemoc: you didn't see the last pics
00:32 < mnemoc> do you walk in four legs?
00:33 < mnemoc> if not, send them ;)
00:33 < owl> four legs?
00:34 < owl> http://the-null.de.vu/misc/private/null << normally there
00:35 < mnemoc> Lycos Tripod : Arbeiten am Service
00:35 < owl> yeah. they're still working because of something 
00:35 < mnemoc> owl: elephants an mammut walk in four legs
00:35 < mnemoc> what's .vu?
00:36 < SMP> $ grep VU /usr/share/misc/countries
00:36 < SMP> 548:VU:VUT:Vanuatu:Port-Vila
00:37 < owl> hm. dunno how to explain
00:37 < owl> hi SMP 
00:39 < mnemoc> hi SMP, what is that?
00:40 < owl> *shivers* shit. getting up in one hour... flight to spain in about 5 hours. waaaah. how to survive this day? O_o
00:40 < mnemoc> hablando castellano ;)
00:41 < owl> bllllllllllllllllllllllllll :P
00:41 < netrunner> n8
00:42 < owl> gn8 netrunner 
00:42 < mnemoc> n8 netrunner 
00:42 < owl> well. it will be - great :))) i mean - i have "friends" there :) cuz we where about 4 or 5 times in this hotel and so
00:45 < SMP> mnemoc: a chain of islands in the southern pacific ocean
00:46 < mnemoc> oh... i was thinking in africa ;)
00:47 < mnemoc> but oceania if more unknown than africa to me :)
00:48 < SMP> although it's closer ;)
00:52 < daja77> re
00:53 < owl> hi daja77 !
00:53 < daja77> hi owl
00:59 < owl> how are you?
01:01 < daja77> fine thx
01:01 < daja77> just returned from a party?
01:01 < daja77> -?
01:03 < owl> hehe. i c. how was it?
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01:04 < daja77> great
01:10 < owl> hehe :) with your gf? *eg* (no i'm not nosy (? neugierig ?) )
01:11 < mnemoc> i'll have to add a 'macro' to query dict.leo.o :\
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01:12 < daja77> owl: yes with her
01:12 < daja77> n8 you all
01:13 < owl> gn8 daja77 
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02:00 < nzg> moin
02:02 < mnemoc> moin nzg 
02:02 < nzg> hi mnemoc
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04:08 < MadTux> blindy!
04:25 < nzg> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html?menu=news.quirkies.sexlife <-- quite funny ;-)
04:25 < nzg> never heard of anyone that dumb before ;-)
04:36 < MadTux> nzg, geez!
04:36 < nzg> ;-)
04:37 < nzg> found it in a.s.recovery but it seems more like a joke than real
04:37 < MadTux> yes indeed
05:38 < mnemoc> rehi
05:39 < MadTux> mnemoc!
05:39 < mnemoc> MadTux!
05:39 < nzg> moin
05:39 < mnemoc> nzg: moin again ;)
05:40 < MadTux> mnemoc, nice to see u here
05:40 < mnemoc> nice to see you here too
05:40 < MadTux> oh thanks..
05:40 < MadTux> :)
05:41 < MadTux> I was having this crazy dream of seen rock linux powered by selinux...
05:43 < mnemoc> i have two rocklinux powered by rsbac ;)
05:44 < MadTux> bah..
05:44 < mnemoc> :p
05:44 < MadTux> ;)
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06:51 < MadTux> night
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07:57 < rxr> rehi
07:58 < mnemoc> hi rxr
08:02 < nzg> moin
08:05 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
08:05 < rxr> mnemoc: still awake?
08:06 < rxr> mh - ok maybe your 0 o'clock on your side ...
08:06 < rxr> mnemoc: I just do author grouping ...
08:06 < blindy> moin
08:07 < mnemoc> rxr: 2am :)
08:07 < rxr> 8am here
08:07 < mnemoc> rxR: is it raining?
08:09 < rxr> no
08:09 < rxr> just for the fun of it
08:12 < blindy> has anyone recently built for Pentium-MMX?
08:14 < rxr> I always do for my desktop build
08:15 < blindy> because 2-binutils fails with a broken pipe here
08:16 < rxr> not for me some days ago ...
08:21 < blindy> hmm
08:21 < blindy> strange
08:21 < blindy> /bin/sh ../../binutils/../ylwrap "flex" ../../binutils/arlex.l lex.yy.c arlex.c --
08:21 < blindy> Broken pipe
08:29 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/ChangeLog-rock-linux
08:29 < rxr> ^- groupped by author
08:29 < rxr> now I just have to optimize duplicate revision specifications away
08:30 < blindy> shouldn't be a problem :)
08:30 < rxr> I have not claimed it is one ... ,)
08:30 < blindy> hmm
08:31 < blindy> might be the glibc...
08:32 < blindy> rxr: do you have a x86 system with glibc 234?
08:33 < mnemoc> rxr: did you recover your perl skill with this little tool?
08:34 < netrunner> moin
08:34 < mnemoc> moin netrunner 
08:34 < nzg> moin netrunner
08:34 < blindy> moin netrunner 
08:34 < mnemoc> rxr: r3121Clifford Wolf:
08:34 < blindy> does anyone here have a running system with glibc 2.3.4?
08:35  * netrunner 
08:35 < blindy> netrunner: can you do me a favor?
08:35 < netrunner> blindy: depends ...
08:35 < netrunner> 'send me the contents of your /etc/shadow' - no
08:35 < blindy> netrunner: apply the latest LVP and loop-aes patches from SM and try to build LVP for pentium-mmx
08:36 < blindy> It's enough to know if 2-binutils builds
08:36 < netrunner> blindy: that system is not thought for building :)
08:36 < blindy> damn
08:36 < netrunner> ... oki I'll try.
08:36 < blindy> ^_^
08:36  * blindy gives netrunner a hug
08:36 < rxr> blindy: yes - my iBook has it for over a week now
08:36 < netrunner> blindy: only LVP or also the gcc34 stuff?
08:36 < rxr> blindy: and two builds on x86 survived, too
08:37 < blindy> netrunner: only LVP
08:37 < blindy> netrunner: plain trunk + the two patches
08:37 < blindy> rxr: hmm
08:37 < blindy> rxr: from 234 to 234 or 232 to 234?
08:37 < rxr> even one was pentium-mmx
08:37 < rxr> and clifford also build it before the commit ...
08:38 < blindy> netrunner: ok, nevermind
08:38 < blindy> found an easy workaround
08:38 < netrunner> oki
08:38 < blindy> linking flex statically solves the problem
08:39 < netrunner> checkout stalled anyway
08:39 < rxr> mnemoc: this one is because it really is one revision ...
08:39 < rxr> mnemoc: it is just pure luck that it now looks better now
08:40 < rxr> mnemoc: (with r* optimized away) - my parser has no way to guess there are stray names in commit texts ...
08:40 < mnemoc> it looks _lots_ better
08:41 < rxr> ok - any other thing to tune ?
08:41 < dsoul> what about gettext in bootdisk target?
08:43 < mnemoc> gettext in bootdisk target?
08:43 < dsoul> it's compilation is turned off by disable nls
08:43 < dsoul> this brakes the compilation of xfs_utilies
08:44 < mnemoc> that's a feature
08:44 < dsoul> xfs_progs sorry
08:44 < mnemoc> oh
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09:01 < kasc> moin
09:04 < dsoul> hi kasc 
09:04 < kasc> did anyone try to build HEAD with smart optimizations?
09:06 < blindy> no
09:06 < blindy> just size
09:08 < kasc> it worked during my last builds but since a few revisions it stopped working
09:09 < kasc> dont have the *.err files anymore, tho
09:14 < blindy> brb
09:44 < blindy> re
09:47 < kasc> wb
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09:50 < rxr> oh - top ten hosts on rocklinux-consulting.de include:
09:50 < rxr> *.search.msn.com
09:51 < rxr> cool, sarch for "Linux Consulting" @ search.msn.* yields /me at rank 1 ...
09:51 < kasc> hehe
09:52 < blindy> nice
09:52 < rxr> and "Linux Handbook" also shows the ROCK Linux Handbook quite soon ...
09:52 < rxr> not as high as in Google ... but at least
09:56 < kasc> hmpf... binutils breaking in stage 2 again...
09:57 < blindy> kasc: link flex statically
09:57 < blindy> kasc: I'm typing a mail for that right now
09:58 < kasc> i worked around it with a symlink ;)
09:59 < blindy> how so?
10:00 < kasc> i symlinked the existing libgettextlib to the version flex wants to see
10:02 < kasc> i know its more of an ugly nasty hack, but it works for me and isnt much work ;)
10:02 < blindy> linking statically is a hack, too
10:03 < blindy> but only needed when compiling from glibc 2.3.2 to 234
10:03 < blindy> brb
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10:04 < kasc> wouldnt it be cleaner to link everything in stage 1 statically? *wondering*
10:08 < rxr> blindy: it is not needed here and likely to be a real bug somewhere ..
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10:31 < blindy> back
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10:45 < jsaw> re
10:46 < jsaw> anybody got a spare PC for me? ...mine is giving up... me() {return -EMONEYLOW;}
10:47 < blindy> STREES
10:47 < jsaw> hi blindy 
10:47 < rxr> jsaw: Hm ...
10:47 < rxr> jsaw: only Pentium class stuff standing in corners
10:48 < rxr> but I have RAM to sell: 2x256MB DDR-200 und Laptop SO-DIMs: 64MB and 128MB 
10:49 < jsaw> do these fit into an ThinkPad 770?
10:49 < rxr> ouhm - don't konw that ThinkPad
10:50 < rxr> the 128MB is a Kingston (--typos)
10:50 < rxr> just take a look into that laptops spec ...
10:50 < rxr> the laptop they have been in is 3 years old ...
10:51 < rxr> netrunner: do you have a free second to create a package for us?
10:51 < netrunner> sure
10:51 < rxr> tvtime - tvtime.sf.net
10:52 < rxr> in package/misc would be fine
10:58 < netrunner> failed
10:58 < netrunner>         package tvtime belongs to stf!
10:59 < rxr> hm - we already have it
10:59 < rxr> sorry to waste your time
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11:06 < jsaw> hehe: http://www.stanford.edu/~jstockdl/tmp/usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/
11:07 < rxr> hm - those bandwith complaining admins have still not replied again ...
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11:20 < daja77> mnemoc: sorry but I can't go to that speech :(
11:41 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden
11:42 < esden> hi *
11:42 < rxr> hi esden 
11:43 < rxr> esden: have you read my comment to remove your irc logs from your rock linux people directory yesterday, or so?
11:43 < rxr> esden: they confuse users ...
11:43 < esden> you can remove them ... if you have copied them to some other place ;)
11:43 < rxr> esden: I have no write access
11:43 < esden> or do I have to do it?
11:43 < rxr> you would rm -rf locally and rsync
11:44 < esden> kk
11:44 < rxr> the maitaner.sh thing
11:44 < rxr> (or what it was named)
11:44 < esden> will do it 
11:44 < rxr> c. thansk!
11:44 < rxr> esden: btw, we now have cool svn meta-data generated ChangeLogs:
11:44 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/ChangeLog-rock-linux
11:45 < esden> ahh nice
11:54 < rxr> ok 2.0.1 submitted to freshmeat
11:54 < rxr> ISO now in official dir ...
11:54 < rxr> m5sum done ...
11:56 < rxr> submitted to www.linuxiso.org
11:56 < rxr> http://www.linuxiso.org/ even
11:57 < esden> rxr: is it a stable release or not?
11:58 < rxr> sure
11:58 < rxr> 2.0.0 -> 2.0.1 -> 2.0.x ...
11:58 < rxr> stable
11:58 < rxr> svn trunk/ is development
11:58 < rxr> and will be branched into 2.1-stable branch in about a month I hope
12:00 < esden> ahh ok
12:01 < esden> so I should downlad 2.0.1 sources and run scripts/Upgrade? ... (I hope that will work ;))
12:02 < rxr> Update-System ...
12:02 < rxr> when your system is not really really old this should work ...
12:03 < rxr> but it will update nearly all ...
12:03 < esden> I have 2.0.0 running here
12:05 < rxr> ah
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12:05 < rxr> yes - then it should not update that much ...
12:07 < rxr> you could run a svn diff svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/tags/2.0.{0,1} | diffstat to get a feeling what changed
12:08 < rxr> but running this takes some time ...
12:08 < rxr> (still not finished) - ah now
12:09 < esden> ok ... I have to go to uni ... work waiting for me ;)
12:09 < esden> cu
12:09 < rxr>  352 files changed, 4160 insertions(+), 1377 deletions(-)
12:09 < rxr> cu esden 
12:09 < esden> rxr: do you want a svn statistic tool?
12:09 < esden> svnstat?
12:10 < esden> I wrote one for my project at the uni
12:10 < esden> you can have it ... I will release it under gpl at some time
12:10 < esden> ...
12:11 < rxr> for me the activity graph is enough - but when you release it I'll take a look when I have a free minute ;-)
12:11 < esden> ok
12:12 < esden> now off
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12:28 < blindy> back
12:29 < blindy> ok
12:29 < blindy> with the flex-static-thing LVP 0.4.1 now compiles fine ^^
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12:44 < LocalHero> Hi all
12:45 < blindy> moin LocalHero 
12:49 < blindy> rxr: just read your mail on rock-user wrt. DVDs
12:49 < blindy> rxr: I think we should also provide DVDs for official releases for the following reasons:
12:49 < blindy> a) DVD-Writers are more common these days (even the ALDI-PCs have DVD+/-Writers)
12:49 < blindy> b) the support for them is already there
12:50 < blindy> and c) people want them
12:51 < blindy> also, we could put a desktop and a minimal (and maybe a generic also, if we're lucky) onto a single DVD
12:51 < blindy> instead of at least 3 CDs
13:03 < LocalHero> blindy: I agree :)
13:09 < blindy> ^^
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13:20 < nzg> moin
13:21 < dsoul> hi nzg 
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13:44 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
13:44  * rxr shortly consuming lunch - cu in some mintues
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13:53 < blindy> rxr: an guadn
13:55 < daja77> *gg*
13:55 < blindy> moin daja77 
13:56 < daja77> hi blindy 
13:57 < rxr> ook
14:01 < daja77> O_o
14:03 < blindy> rxr: could you please apply 2004052614024119542 2004052508384210355 and 2004052508360110311 (the LVP update)
14:03 < blindy> rxr: it works flawlessly now with a vanilla tree
14:05 < rxr> I pefer non-vital non-critical stuff for clifford
14:05 < rxr> I do not want to get him upset just because I apply too much ...
14:05 < daja77> ...
14:07 < blindy> rxr: ok
14:07 < blindy> then I'll just build up the various pre-compilations for LVP and wait with the announcement until it's applied
14:07 < blindy> anyone here who can help me out with athlon builds?
14:12 < rxr> blindy: just announce it
14:12 < rxr> blindy: I mailed clifford several things and still have no reply
14:12 < rxr> blindy: just anounce your tarball and so on and point to the submaster patches ...
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14:16 < tfing> |svn: Commit failed (details follow):
14:16 < tfing> |svn: Out of date: '/WORK' in transaction '1v'
14:16 < tfing> what can i do for this ? 
14:16 < tfing> during a svn commit -m "SM Sync 3131:3148"
14:17 < daja77> tfing: how old?
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14:17 < daja77> clifford changed the layout some weeks ago
14:17 < tfing> i had followed that change
14:17 < daja77> hm
14:18 < tfing> a did several sm sync since then
14:18 < daja77> screwed up clock?
14:19 < tfing> nope
14:21 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/
14:21 < rxr> ^- ROCK Linux 2.0.1
14:22 < jsaw> tfing: try "svn up" and "svn cleanup"
14:22 < rxr> oh - and we now have 1246 packages - only some weeks and I can announce the 1300 mark ..
14:22 < jsaw> tfing: and then commit again
14:22 < daja77> jsaw: svn up ins submaster?
14:23 < jsaw> yep
14:23 < rxr> jup
14:23 < blindy> rxr: ok, will do
14:23 < daja77> what does it to it
14:23 < tfing> svn upping, hope it won't create a complete mess
14:24 < jsaw> I usually do that, haven't seen a problem so far, but
14:24 < rxr> daja77: update . to the latest revision so svn allows commits again
14:24 < jsaw> if u want to be sure, you can save the output from svn diff...
14:25 < daja77> ah k.
14:25 < tfing> svn diff is quite long, since it contains the update of 3131:3148
14:26 < tfing> ok, went fine, thx
14:26 < jsaw> s/if u want to be sure/if u want to be 200% sure/
14:29  * rxr canceled c't subscription ...
14:30 < daja77> hehe this is on my todo ...
14:31 < dsoul> blindy what help do you need with athlon?
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14:38 < blindy> dsoul: a complete LVP 0.4.1 build optimised for Athlon and Athlon XP 
14:38 < blindy> dsoul: and from those the directory build/*/ROCK/lvp_*
14:39 < blindy> rxr: why canceled?
14:40 < rxr> no money left for such fun - and the content degraded 
14:40 < dsoul> blindy i'll build for athlon xp
14:40 < blindy> hmm... can't say that it wouldn't ;/
14:40 < daja77> cancelled what?
14:41 < blindy> dsoul: thanks ^_^
14:42 < dsoul> :)
14:42 < blindy> dsoul: just tar up the directory and have it either mailed to me or put it up on a web or ftp-server
14:42 < blindy> dsoul: I can also create an FTP-Server here if you want
14:43 < dsoul> blindy when it'll be ready i'll send you a mail with web address
14:45 < blindy> dsoul: cool, thanks
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15:09 < blokkie> hey all 
15:09 < blokkie> I'm back , and loaded with the amd-64 laptop
15:09 < blokkie> how mutch free space do I need for a descent rocklinux build from scratch ?
15:10 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden
15:11 < daja77> > 10gb
15:11 < esden> re
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15:11 [ daja77 ] [ Frederic] [ mistik1  ] [ rxr    ] [ togg    ] 
15:11 [ dsoul  ] [ jsaw    ] [ mnemoc   ] [ SMP    ] [ valentin] 
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15:12 < daja77> hi esden 
15:18 < rxr> with gcc-3.2.3 and gcc-3.4.0 svn:HEAD does enter stage-5 just fine (generic x86 optimization)
15:24 < blokkie> I gave rock 35gig , just to be on the safe side
15:24 < daja77> :)
15:25 < blokkie> I'm loading up a basic mandrake , with devel tools, then after boot I'm grabbing the scripts and start building from scratch 
15:27 < daja77> yep try that
15:35  * blindy --> train station, need to pick up some thing
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17:01 < blindy> back
17:16  * blindy --> dancing
17:18 < daja77> hf
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17:29 < MadTux> Moin.
17:29 < dsoul> hi MadTux 
17:29 < MadTux> yo dsoul 
17:34 < nookie_> Heya MadTux :))
17:34 < MadTux> 'lo n00k13!
17:35 < rxr> hi MadTux 
17:36 < MadTux> oh.. Good day rxr :)
17:58 < daja77> why are these strange ppl discussing on our mailinglist
18:00 < rxr> which strange people?
18:00 < rxr> rock-user?
18:00 < daja77> yes
18:00 < rxr> because I CC'ed rock-user when I first replied to linux-kernel
18:01 < daja77> ic
18:01 < rxr> btw. I also got nice replies from other - one or two are even more linux-core people - liking the idea of ROCK and scheduling a try ...
18:01 < daja77> cool
18:02 < daja77> a pity that such post did not make it to the list
18:02  * rxr tracking ugly linux-header mess on PowerPC
18:02 < rxr> daja77: the ones who know replied in private ...
18:02 < rxr> daja77: the trolls to all lists ... ;)
18:02  * daja77 hasn't finished his kernel patching for 2.4 hppa >_<
18:02 < daja77> hehe
18:03 < rxr> can't those hppa people push their stuff into mainline ?
18:03 < daja77> they are in talk with the kernel.org about this
18:03 < daja77> but their patch is intrusive
18:04 < daja77> anyway what bothers me is not their patch but gcc-3.4 inling crap
18:04 < rxr> what that intrusive do they do?
18:04 < rxr> does it inline too much too less?
18:04 < rxr> (btw, just not take it right now for hppa when compiling it alone is fun enought ...)
18:04 < daja77> hehe
18:04 < rxr> and --inline-limit and firends might be your friend
18:05 < daja77> well the thing is that the inline calls cannot be resolved
18:05 < daja77> /scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/include/linux/fsfilter.h:86: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'filter_c2cdiops': function body not available
18:05 < daja77> dir.c:264: sorry, unimplemented: called from here
18:05 < daja77> stuff like that
18:06 < daja77> /scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/include/linux/fsfilter.h:92: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'filter_c2udops': function body not available
18:06 < daja77> dir.c:306: sorry, unimplemented: called from here
18:06 < daja77> when I threw out the inline keywords it worls
18:06 < rxr> hm - interesting - never saw those until now - so I have no receipe at hand
18:07 < daja77> the gcc folks say the kernel is broken, not our problem ...
18:07 < rxr> yeah - might well be
18:07 < rxr> mabe just use gcc-3.2 or so for hppa now ...
18:08 < rxr> or did you expperience the same for x86 or so ?
18:08 < daja77> nah I threw out most of the inling stuff already
18:08 < daja77> no I did not
18:08  * rxr on x86 and PowerPC neither ..
18:08 < MadTux> bbl
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18:09 < rxr> even 2.4-vanilla does compile w/ gcc-3.4.0 on PowerPC IIRC
18:09 < daja77> maybe this inling calling is not possible to do in this way on hppa, dunno
18:09 < rxr> hm
18:10 < daja77> not with gcc-3.4 at least
18:10 < daja77> now I am working on modules only, the vmlinux binary has already been created
18:10 < rxr> AFAIK the kernel people use some "attribute always inline" hackery
18:11 < rxr> gcc-3.4 might just be more strict about when it is not possible to always inline it ...
18:11 < daja77> ok I threw out reiserfs because it had too much errors on this crap and just pissed me off
18:11 < daja77> maybe I fix that in a second run
18:12 < daja77> but now I am off for a birthday party
18:12 < daja77> cu
18:13 < rxr> oh - much fun
18:13 < rxr> cu
18:15 < rxr> ok a minimal+xfree does compile on x86 for generic with both gcc-2.3.2 and gcc-3.4.0 here
18:15 < rxr> I just fixed the only error: apmd ...
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18:23 < rxr> and /me again debugging libtool
18:23  * rxr does not like when history repeats
18:26 < rxr> those damn Gnome people
18:26 < rxr> # find -name '*.la' | xargs grep -H '\-pthread' | cut -d : -f 1 | uniq
18:27 < rxr> Simon says: "-pthread" is no lib folks over there
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18:31 < rxr> maybe we should write a libtool wrapper
18:31 < rxr> replacing this dummy implementation with s.th. sane
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18:36 < rxr> ok - PowerPC 2.0.1 install target finished
18:36 < rxr> now I wait for some system rebuild and off the ISO can go
18:51 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=45
18:51 < rxr> ^- suggestions ?
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20:32 < blindy> rxr: yeah: correct chronological order of Related News
20:37 < rxr> I saw this - I'm too lazy
20:37 < rxr> this sucks in typo3 and I refuse to shuffle them around until it likes them
20:37 < rxr> even the preview was correct
20:37 < rxr> thiy typoscript thing should be fixed to either use the one I enter
20:38 < rxr> or _preferably_ sort them itself
20:40 < blindy> better use the order you gave it
20:44 < rxr> the problem is anyway that reordering them in typo3 sucks
20:45 < rxr> so sorting is preferable
20:47 < rxr> today is a cool day - freshmeat has so few announcements that ROCK Linux is very long on the front page ...
20:47 < rxr> ,-)
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21:04  * blindy bed
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21:34 < rxr> hi _Vr_ 
21:35 < _Vr_> hi rxr :)
21:35 < _Vr_> hi all
21:35 < _Vr_> it seems that rock rox, is it right ? :)
21:37 < rxr> well - I'm too much a core developer so my answer would be quite subjective ...
21:37 < _Vr_> :)
21:39 < tcr> _Vr_, Like every tool it depends on what you're trying to do with it
21:40 < _Vr_> yes
21:40 < _Vr_> i would like to do embedded linux
21:40 < _Vr_> what size can i approach with rock ?
21:41 < tcr> Pretty much what's possible without rock ;) Eh, no idea about absolute numbers, but several lightweigth c-libs are partially supported, so you could easily go from that
21:42 < tcr> I think it's been reported that ROCK works quite well for embedded jobs. Not sure by whom
21:42 < rxr> by me - and others
21:42 < rxr> we fully support dietlibc
21:42 < lowy> well for true embedded you need real cross compilation
21:42 < rxr> uclibc is partial - tho ...
21:43 < tcr> "partially supported" mostly because many program do not work with them
21:43 < rxr> lowy: we have real cross compilation of the basic stuff
21:43 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander
21:43 < rxr> LowLander: most other stuff might just work when enabled - just that nobody tried further, yet
21:43 < tcr> LowLander, could you keep being named lowy? :)
21:44 < LowLander> huh ?
21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: size can be done to 2-4 MB when you just need a barebone kernel
21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: up to 6-7MB when you need a full fledged router, with ssh and such
21:44 < _Vr_> hum
21:44 < tcr> LowLander, the shorter the more pleasant for the eyes, IMHO.
21:44 < _Vr_> ok
21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: what are you requirements ?
21:44 < _Vr_> that's be great
21:44 < tcr> the shorter the nick
21:45 < rxr> _Vr_: and which architecture are you targetting ?
21:45 < _Vr_> rxr: just for information
21:45 < _Vr_> :)
21:45 < _Vr_> i386 for begenning
21:45 < LowLander> nah i use LowLander for about 10 years now, lowy only shows up because of the t-offline disconnects
21:46 < tcr> LowLander, Not sure, but didn't conventional irc server limit the max. nick length to 8?
21:47 < LowLander> nope 9
21:47 < LowLander> just fitted
21:47 < LowLander> highlander didn't fit
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21:47 < tcr> You're such a badass :]
22:03 < esden> huarrrrrrrr ... 
22:03 < esden> hi all sbtw
22:03 < esden> ;)
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22:10 < rxr> hi esden 
22:14 < _Vr_> hum
22:14 < _Vr_> how can i download router ?
22:14 < _Vr_> is this minimal ?
22:15 < rxr> no
22:15 < rxr> maybe we do not have public router releases
22:15 < rxr> maybe someone here could build one - or yo just build it yourself
22:15 < rxr> minimal is quite a normal installable CD - just with a minimal package set ...
22:16 < _Vr_> hum ok
22:16 < _Vr_> but what i must download to build it ?
22:16 < rxr> either checkout the source from Subversion
22:16 < rxr> or grab a release tarball
22:16 < rxr> 2.0.1 was released today:
22:17 < _Vr_> ok
22:17 < _Vr_> what size ?
22:17 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.1.tar.bz2
22:17 < rxr> 1.4MB
22:17 < _Vr_> ok
22:17 < _Vr_> that's be cool
22:17 < rxr> runt the Configure ./scripts/Config
22:17 < _Vr_> thx rxr 
22:17 < rxr> and download ./scripts/Dowload -requird
22:17 < rxr> -required even
22:18 < rxr> that just downloads stuff for the router if you selected it
22:18 < rxr> (maybe 50 or 100MB or so ...)
22:18 < rxr> and then ./scripts/Build-Target
22:18 < _Vr_> ok
22:18 < rxr> that should result in the router thing
22:18 < _Vr_> live cd ?
22:18 < rxr> (-- the errors you might encounter in your distribution when you do not build ROCK on ROCK ...)
22:18 < _Vr_> with ramdrive ?
22:19 < rxr> ouhm - we have a LiveCD target in the 2.1-DEV tree since a few days
22:19 < rxr> fake might be happy to tell about it
22:20 < _Vr_> The system is run entirely in a ramdisk. So the CD is not needed after the bootup and the floppy is only needed for booting and saving the configuration.The system is run entirely in a ramdisk. So the CD is not needed after the bootup and the floppy is only needed for booting and saving the configuration.
22:20 < _Vr_> hum double :)
22:20 < _Vr_> is this right ?
22:20 < rxr> you mean the router one?
22:21 < rxr> think so
22:21 < _Vr_> great
22:21 < rxr> when clifford wrote this somewhere it will be right ...
22:21 < _Vr_> i test and re for feedback
22:23 < fake> rxr: huh?
22:23 < fake> *readreadread*
22:23 < fake> the livecd does not run in RAM
22:24 < _Vr_> hum ?
22:24 < fake> livecd != router
22:24 < _Vr_> yes
22:24 < _Vr_> but the router run in ram ?
22:24 < fake> i guess so, never tried it ;)
22:24 < _Vr_> lol
22:24 < fake> very limited space, though
22:24 < _Vr_> ok i test
22:25 < _Vr_> what size for router ?
22:25 < fake> me want colorful kde
22:25 < _Vr_> :)
22:25  * fake evil
22:25  * _Vr_ hate kde
22:25 < rxr> _Vr_: the router is 6-7 MB in size IIRC
22:25 < fake> it's kind of a hate love
22:25 < _Vr_> rxr: gret
22:25 < _Vr_> i'm in love :)
22:26 < esden> _Vr_: full ack
22:26 < esden> _Vr_: about kde ;)
22:26 < rxr> esden: huh?
22:27 < esden> rxr: I hate kde because of the interface ... it is crap if you ask me ... I prefere currently enlightenment ;)
22:27 < _Vr_> kahakai for me ;)
22:27 < _Vr_> is ther a doc to add a target ?
22:28 < esden> but my choice of window manager varies from time to time .. but never kde ... I tryed to use it ... and it only sucked ... 
22:28 < esden> it is unstable bloated and slow 
22:28 < esden> when I use a comparable environment then it is gnome
22:29 < fake> _Vr_: Documentation/Developer/*
22:29 < _Vr_> thx
22:29 < fake> i think there is even a special file about adding targets... or some such
22:31 < fake> .oO( should have read it i guess... *g* )
22:32 < esden> rxr: I only think that it is sad that only kde and blackbox (and it's children) are written in C++ ;)
22:34 < rxr> blackbox is crap C++
22:35 < rxr> I do not know what you find so ugly w/ the KDE interface
22:37 < esden> Its stability ... and its look
22:38 < esden> I do not really know why ... but it is ugly
22:38 < esden> the look is ugly I mean
22:38 < _Vr_> hum
22:38 < _Vr_> gawk command not foun
22:38 < _Vr_> d
22:38 < esden> rxr: can be that the code of blackbox is ugly, I have not looked at it
22:38 < _Vr_> is this necessary ?
22:38 < rxr> just click on the plastik theme ...
22:39 < _Vr_> i've another awk
22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: ohm - yes
22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: ah - oehm: alias or symlink it ...
22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: are you on Linux ?
22:39 < _Vr_> yes
22:39 < _Vr_> debian
22:40 < _Vr_> i apt-get it
22:40 < _Vr_> :)
22:40 < _Vr_> nopb
22:40 < rxr> be warned - you need sed
22:40 < rxr> and curl
22:41 < _Vr_> i've sed
22:41 < _Vr_> i apt-get curl
22:42 < _Vr_> other things ?
22:43 < rxr> $ ./scripts/Check-System
22:43 < rxr> is your friend
22:43 < _Vr_> kool
22:44 < rxr> Check-System is run in Build-Target - but not for Download or Config ...
22:44 < _Vr_> no output
22:45 < _Vr_> great ?
22:45 < rxr> should be
22:46 < _Vr_> :)
22:48 < _Vr_> i've configured
22:48 < _Vr_> i download
22:49 < _Vr_> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror
22:49 < _Vr_> great !! :)
22:50 < esden> rxr: ok will try
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23:04 < daja77> re
23:05 < _Vr_> hum
23:05 < _Vr_> how to search a package in the tree ?
23:05 < daja77> grep?
23:06 < _Vr_> hum
23:06 < _Vr_> good idea :)
23:07 < esden> _Vr_: find packages -name "*package*" is what I use ;)
23:07 < _Vr_> ok :)
23:08 < daja77> grep name package/*/*/*desc
23:08 < daja77> :p
23:08 < _Vr_> hum
23:08 < _Vr_> does not exist
23:09 < _Vr_> :-(
23:09 < _Vr_> vtun.sf.net
23:09 < daja77> add it :)
23:09 < _Vr_> how to :)
23:10 < daja77> well if you only want to add it to your system you could
23:11 < daja77> mkpkg packagename make install 
23:11 < daja77> which will add all copied files to package databse
23:11 < rxr> nah - he wants it on his embdedded router
23:11 < daja77> and for creating a rocklinux packge read the handbook
23:11 < rxr> _Vr_: we have a really cool handbook
23:12 < daja77> sorry did not know this
23:12 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/
23:12 < rxr> daja77: no problem ;-)
23:12 < rxr> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch21.html
23:13 < _Vr_> thx daja77 rxr 
23:13 < _Vr_> it really rox
23:13 < daja77> :)
23:14 < rxr> hm
23:14 < rxr> [an error occurred while processing this directive]
23:14 < rxr>  
23:14 < rxr> Besucher
23:14 < rxr> nice site
23:14 < daja77> O_o
23:15 < _Vr_> what site ?
23:16 < rxr> print companies (or what it is called in english)
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23:16 < rxr> I do some research for my handbook - need it hard-copies w/ cover and such on paper
23:17 < daja77> rxr: have you tried to ask o'reilly?
23:20 < rxr> yeah - they think the user base might be too small right now
23:20 < rxr> I'm in negotiation with them about two other things
23:20 < daja77> could be true :\
23:22 < daja77> btw I successfully installed rocklinux on a prototype computer we'll use at a school soon
23:22 < daja77> and now I am really tired
23:22 < daja77> n8
23:22 < rxr> prototype of? new hardware - or as software prototpye to deplay more boxes ?
23:22 < rxr> n8 daja77 
23:23 < daja77> no they just gave us one box to test if the hw runs well on linux
23:23 < daja77> and it does
23:23 < daja77> n8 rxr
23:24 < rxr> n8 daja77 
23:24 < _Vr_> hum
23:24 < _Vr_> download is very slow
23:29 < rxr> hm - then you might like to rm download/Mirror
23:30 < rxr> and restart it (so it redetects the mirror ...)
23:31 < _Vr_> checksum error
23:31 < _Vr_> hum hum
23:32 < _Vr_> retrying
23:32 < _Vr_> WARNING: Unkown file extension: download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt
23:32 < _Vr_> cksum-test (raw): download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt
23:32 < _Vr_> Cksum ERROR: download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt.cksum-err (1673710515)
23:33 < rxr> hm - do you use a mirror ? Or did you disabled it now completely ?
23:35 < _Vr_> no touch to the mirror
23:35 < _Vr_> INFO: http://rock.inode.at/ROCK-2.0
23:36 < rxr> hm - not good
23:36 < rxr> however for this file it is uncritical just rename it to not have the cksum-err
23:37 < rxr> for other non-text-info files checksums errors should not happen and if treat with care
23:51  * netrunne1 about to spend 2kE
23:53 < _Vr_> Compil in progress
23:54 < rxr> nookie_: spend for what ?
23:56 < rxr> netrunne1: even ..
23:56 < rxr> damn completion
23:56 < rxr> btw - if lapotp, this one might be nice:
23:56 < rxr> http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/mm/20/
23:56 < rxr> no linux ganruante ...
23:57 < _Vr_> asus m5200n
23:57 < _Vr_> it's great
23:57 < _Vr_> very great
23:57 < _Vr_> linux compatible
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