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--- Log opened Wed May 26 00:00:01 2004 --- Day changed Wed May 26 2004 00:00 < owl> hi mn 00:00 < owl> mnemoc: 00:00 < mnemoc> have a nice vacation :) 00:02 < owl> thx :) 00:02 < owl> i will have - even if i am sad today (because i have to leave my birds, my hamster and my guitar (and my notebook) alone) 00:03 < mnemoc> .oO( roasted hamster ) 00:04 < owl> roasted? why roasted? 00:06 < mnemoc> tasty :) 00:06 < mnemoc> but don't worry, i don't live near you :p 00:07 < mnemoc> your hamster will be safe 00:07 < owl> and sometimes i think it's better :p 00:15 < mnemoc> why the guitar? 00:16 < owl> hmm. i dunno. maybe because it's one of those things i'm always using - when i'm happy, when i'm sad, even if i'm crying or just happy. you can express how you feel, not with words, but in the sound. and playing it, and writing songs - in impulse. 00:23 < mnemoc> you will have dance then ;) 00:24 < owl> dance? 00:25 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8F027.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:25 < mnemoc> to express what you feel without words 00:26 < owl> hmm. nah. guitar ;) 00:28 < mnemoc> i said dance! if you don't, i'll go to eat your hamster _roasted_ 00:28 < owl> O_o 00:28 * owl kicks mnemoc :P 00:29 < owl> i guess you don't want to see an elephant or mammut dancing? 00:30 < mnemoc> elephant or mammut, no. but an owlie, yes. 00:30 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@p548040EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:31 < owl> <- mammut, elephant, fat pig 00:32 * mnemoc disagree 00:32 < owl> mnemoc: you didn't see the last pics 00:32 < mnemoc> do you walk in four legs? 00:33 < mnemoc> if not, send them ;) 00:33 < owl> four legs? 00:34 < owl> https://the-null.de.vu/misc/private/null << normally there 00:35 < mnemoc> Lycos Tripod : Arbeiten am Service 00:35 < owl> yeah. they're still working because of something 00:35 < mnemoc> owl: elephants an mammut walk in four legs 00:35 < mnemoc> what's .vu? 00:36 < SMP> $ grep VU /usr/share/misc/countries 00:36 < SMP> 548:VU:VUT:Vanuatu:Port-Vila 00:37 < owl> hm. dunno how to explain 00:37 < owl> hi SMP 00:39 < mnemoc> hi SMP, what is that? 00:40 < owl> *shivers* shit. getting up in one hour... flight to spain in about 5 hours. waaaah. how to survive this day? O_o 00:40 < mnemoc> hablando castellano ;) 00:41 < owl> bllllllllllllllllllllllllll :P 00:41 < netrunner> n8 00:42 < owl> gn8 netrunner 00:42 < mnemoc> n8 netrunner 00:42 < owl> well. it will be - great :))) i mean - i have "friends" there :) cuz we where about 4 or 5 times in this hotel and so 00:45 < SMP> mnemoc: a chain of islands in the southern pacific ocean 00:46 < mnemoc> oh... i was thinking in africa ;) 00:47 < mnemoc> but oceania if more unknown than africa to me :) 00:48 < SMP> although it's closer ;) 00:52 < daja77> re 00:53 < owl> hi daja77 ! 00:53 < daja77> hi owl 00:59 < owl> how are you? 01:01 < daja77> fine thx 01:01 < daja77> just returned from a party? 01:01 < daja77> -? 01:03 < owl> hehe. i c. how was it? 01:04 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8F027.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Why?"] 01:04 < daja77> great 01:10 < owl> hehe :) with your gf? *eg* (no i'm not nosy (? neugierig ?) ) 01:11 < mnemoc> i'll have to add a 'macro' to query dict.leo.o :\ 01:11 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-083-043-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:12 < daja77> owl: yes with her 01:12 < daja77> n8 you all 01:13 < owl> gn8 daja77 01:24 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:25 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:26 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-207-144.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:26 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 02:00 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-238.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:00 < nzg> moin 02:02 < mnemoc> moin nzg 02:02 < nzg> hi mnemoc 03:04 -!- nookie [~nookie@M330P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:11 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M478P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:50 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD958F085.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801E67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:08 < MadTux> blindy! 04:25 < nzg> https://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html?menu=news.quirkies.sexlife <-- quite funny ;-) 04:25 < nzg> never heard of anyone that dumb before ;-) 04:36 < MadTux> nzg, geez! 04:36 < nzg> ;-) 04:37 < nzg> found it in a.s.recovery but it seems more like a joke than real 04:37 < MadTux> yes indeed 05:38 < mnemoc> rehi 05:39 < MadTux> mnemoc! 05:39 < mnemoc> MadTux! 05:39 < nzg> moin 05:39 < mnemoc> nzg: moin again ;) 05:40 < MadTux> mnemoc, nice to see u here 05:40 < mnemoc> nice to see you here too 05:40 < MadTux> oh thanks.. 05:40 < MadTux> :) 05:41 < MadTux> I was having this crazy dream of seen rock linux powered by selinux... 05:43 < mnemoc> i have two rocklinux powered by rsbac ;) 05:44 < MadTux> bah.. 05:44 < mnemoc> :p 05:44 < MadTux> ;) 06:03 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-165.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 06:20 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-175.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:20 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 06:48 -!- germancho [~germancho@200.21.87.41] has joined #rocklinux 06:51 < MadTux> night 06:51 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 06:59 -!- germancho [~germancho@200.21.87.41] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:57 < rxr> rehi 07:58 < mnemoc> hi rxr 08:02 < nzg> moin 08:05 < rxr> moin mnemoc 08:05 < rxr> mnemoc: still awake? 08:06 < rxr> mh - ok maybe your 0 o'clock on your side ... 08:06 < rxr> mnemoc: I just do author grouping ... 08:06 < blindy> moin 08:07 < mnemoc> rxr: 2am :) 08:07 < rxr> 8am here 08:07 < mnemoc> rxR: is it raining? 08:09 < rxr> no 08:09 < rxr> just for the fun of it 08:12 < blindy> has anyone recently built for Pentium-MMX? 08:14 < rxr> I always do for my desktop build 08:15 < blindy> because 2-binutils fails with a broken pipe here 08:16 < rxr> not for me some days ago ... 08:21 < blindy> hmm 08:21 < blindy> strange 08:21 < blindy> /bin/sh ../../binutils/../ylwrap "flex" ../../binutils/arlex.l lex.yy.c arlex.c -- 08:21 < blindy> Broken pipe 08:29 < rxr> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/ChangeLog-rock-linux 08:29 < rxr> ^- groupped by author 08:29 < rxr> now I just have to optimize duplicate revision specifications away 08:30 < blindy> shouldn't be a problem :) 08:30 < rxr> I have not claimed it is one ... ,) 08:30 < blindy> hmm 08:31 < blindy> might be the glibc... 08:32 < blindy> rxr: do you have a x86 system with glibc 234? 08:33 < mnemoc> rxr: did you recover your perl skill with this little tool? 08:34 < netrunner> moin 08:34 < mnemoc> moin netrunner 08:34 < nzg> moin netrunner 08:34 < blindy> moin netrunner 08:34 < mnemoc> rxr: r3121Clifford Wolf: 08:34 < blindy> does anyone here have a running system with glibc 2.3.4? 08:35 * netrunner 08:35 < blindy> netrunner: can you do me a favor? 08:35 < netrunner> blindy: depends ... 08:35 < netrunner> 'send me the contents of your /etc/shadow' - no 08:35 < blindy> netrunner: apply the latest LVP and loop-aes patches from SM and try to build LVP for pentium-mmx 08:36 < blindy> It's enough to know if 2-binutils builds 08:36 < netrunner> blindy: that system is not thought for building :) 08:36 < blindy> damn 08:36 < netrunner> ... oki I'll try. 08:36 < blindy> ^_^ 08:36 * blindy gives netrunner a hug 08:36 < rxr> blindy: yes - my iBook has it for over a week now 08:36 < netrunner> blindy: only LVP or also the gcc34 stuff? 08:36 < rxr> blindy: and two builds on x86 survived, too 08:37 < blindy> netrunner: only LVP 08:37 < blindy> netrunner: plain trunk + the two patches 08:37 < blindy> rxr: hmm 08:37 < blindy> rxr: from 234 to 234 or 232 to 234? 08:37 < rxr> even one was pentium-mmx 08:37 < rxr> and clifford also build it before the commit ... 08:38 < blindy> netrunner: ok, nevermind 08:38 < blindy> found an easy workaround 08:38 < netrunner> oki 08:38 < blindy> linking flex statically solves the problem 08:39 < netrunner> checkout stalled anyway 08:39 < rxr> mnemoc: this one is because it really is one revision ... 08:39 < rxr> mnemoc: it is just pure luck that it now looks better now 08:40 < rxr> mnemoc: (with r* optimized away) - my parser has no way to guess there are stray names in commit texts ... 08:40 < mnemoc> it looks _lots_ better 08:41 < rxr> ok - any other thing to tune ? 08:41 < dsoul> what about gettext in bootdisk target? 08:43 < mnemoc> gettext in bootdisk target? 08:43 < dsoul> it's compilation is turned off by disable nls 08:43 < dsoul> this brakes the compilation of xfs_utilies 08:44 < mnemoc> that's a feature 08:44 < dsoul> xfs_progs sorry 08:44 < mnemoc> oh 08:47 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:01 < kasc> moin 09:04 < dsoul> hi kasc 09:04 < kasc> did anyone try to build HEAD with smart optimizations? 09:06 < blindy> no 09:06 < blindy> just size 09:08 < kasc> it worked during my last builds but since a few revisions it stopped working 09:09 < kasc> dont have the *.err files anymore, tho 09:14 < blindy> brb 09:44 < blindy> re 09:47 < kasc> wb 09:47 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:50 < rxr> oh - top ten hosts on rocklinux-consulting.de include: 09:50 < rxr> *.search.msn.com 09:51 < rxr> cool, sarch for "Linux Consulting" @ search.msn.* yields /me at rank 1 ... 09:51 < kasc> hehe 09:52 < blindy> nice 09:52 < rxr> and "Linux Handbook" also shows the ROCK Linux Handbook quite soon ... 09:52 < rxr> not as high as in Google ... but at least 09:56 < kasc> hmpf... binutils breaking in stage 2 again... 09:57 < blindy> kasc: link flex statically 09:57 < blindy> kasc: I'm typing a mail for that right now 09:58 < kasc> i worked around it with a symlink ;) 09:59 < blindy> how so? 10:00 < kasc> i symlinked the existing libgettextlib to the version flex wants to see 10:02 < kasc> i know its more of an ugly nasty hack, but it works for me and isnt much work ;) 10:02 < blindy> linking statically is a hack, too 10:03 < blindy> but only needed when compiling from glibc 2.3.2 to 234 10:03 < blindy> brb 10:03 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9530551.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:04 < kasc> wouldnt it be cleaner to link everything in stage 1 statically? *wondering* 10:08 < rxr> blindy: it is not needed here and likely to be a real bug somewhere .. 10:12 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-238.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 10:31 < blindy> back 10:41 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 10:45 < jsaw> re 10:46 < jsaw> anybody got a spare PC for me? ...mine is giving up... me() {return -EMONEYLOW;} 10:47 < blindy> STREES 10:47 < jsaw> hi blindy 10:47 < rxr> jsaw: Hm ... 10:47 < rxr> jsaw: only Pentium class stuff standing in corners 10:48 < rxr> but I have RAM to sell: 2x256MB DDR-200 und Laptop SO-DIMs: 64MB and 128MB 10:49 < jsaw> do these fit into an ThinkPad 770? 10:49 < rxr> ouhm - don't konw that ThinkPad 10:50 < rxr> the 128MB is a Kingston (--typos) 10:50 < rxr> just take a look into that laptops spec ... 10:50 < rxr> the laptop they have been in is 3 years old ... 10:51 < rxr> netrunner: do you have a free second to create a package for us? 10:51 < netrunner> sure 10:51 < rxr> tvtime - tvtime.sf.net 10:52 < rxr> in package/misc would be fine 10:58 < netrunner> failed 10:58 < netrunner> package tvtime belongs to stf! 10:59 < rxr> hm - we already have it 10:59 < rxr> sorry to waste your time 11:05 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M381P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:06 < jsaw> hehe: https://www.stanford.edu/~jstockdl/tmp/usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/ 11:07 < rxr> hm - those bandwith complaining admins have still not replied again ... 11:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M330P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:20 < daja77> mnemoc: sorry but I can't go to that speech :( 11:41 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 11:42 < esden> hi * 11:42 < rxr> hi esden 11:43 < rxr> esden: have you read my comment to remove your irc logs from your rock linux people directory yesterday, or so? 11:43 < rxr> esden: they confuse users ... 11:43 < esden> you can remove them ... if you have copied them to some other place ;) 11:43 < rxr> esden: I have no write access 11:43 < esden> or do I have to do it? 11:43 < rxr> you would rm -rf locally and rsync 11:44 < esden> kk 11:44 < rxr> the maitaner.sh thing 11:44 < rxr> (or what it was named) 11:44 < esden> will do it 11:44 < rxr> c. thansk! 11:44 < rxr> esden: btw, we now have cool svn meta-data generated ChangeLogs: 11:44 < rxr> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/ChangeLog-rock-linux 11:45 < esden> ahh nice 11:54 < rxr> ok 2.0.1 submitted to freshmeat 11:54 < rxr> ISO now in official dir ... 11:54 < rxr> m5sum done ... 11:56 < rxr> submitted to www.linuxiso.org 11:56 < rxr> https://www.linuxiso.org/ even 11:57 < esden> rxr: is it a stable release or not? 11:58 < rxr> sure 11:58 < rxr> 2.0.0 -> 2.0.1 -> 2.0.x ... 11:58 < rxr> stable 11:58 < rxr> svn trunk/ is development 11:58 < rxr> and will be branched into 2.1-stable branch in about a month I hope 12:00 < esden> ahh ok 12:01 < esden> so I should downlad 2.0.1 sources and run scripts/Upgrade? 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(I hope that will work ;)) 12:02 < rxr> Update-System ... 12:02 < rxr> when your system is not really really old this should work ... 12:03 < rxr> but it will update nearly all ... 12:03 < esden> I have 2.0.0 running here 12:05 < rxr> ah 12:05 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:05 < rxr> yes - then it should not update that much ... 12:07 < rxr> you could run a svn diff svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/tags/2.0.{0,1} | diffstat to get a feeling what changed 12:08 < rxr> but running this takes some time ... 12:08 < rxr> (still not finished) - ah now 12:09 < esden> ok ... I have to go to uni ... work waiting for me ;) 12:09 < esden> cu 12:09 < rxr> 352 files changed, 4160 insertions(+), 1377 deletions(-) 12:09 < rxr> cu esden 12:09 < esden> rxr: do you want a svn statistic tool? 12:09 < esden> svnstat? 12:10 < esden> I wrote one for my project at the uni 12:10 < esden> you can have it ... I will release it under gpl at some time 12:10 < esden> ... 12:11 < rxr> for me the activity graph is enough - but when you release it I'll take a look when I have a free minute ;-) 12:11 < esden> ok 12:12 < esden> now off 12:13 -!- esden is now known as esden|bbl 12:28 < blindy> back 12:29 < blindy> ok 12:29 < blindy> with the flex-static-thing LVP 0.4.1 now compiles fine ^^ 12:44 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 12:44 < LocalHero> Hi all 12:45 < blindy> moin LocalHero 12:49 < blindy> rxr: just read your mail on rock-user wrt. DVDs 12:49 < blindy> rxr: I think we should also provide DVDs for official releases for the following reasons: 12:49 < blindy> a) DVD-Writers are more common these days (even the ALDI-PCs have DVD+/-Writers) 12:49 < blindy> b) the support for them is already there 12:50 < blindy> and c) people want them 12:51 < blindy> also, we could put a desktop and a minimal (and maybe a generic also, if we're lucky) onto a single DVD 12:51 < blindy> instead of at least 3 CDs 13:03 < LocalHero> blindy: I agree :) 13:09 < blindy> ^^ 13:19 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:20 < nzg> moin 13:21 < dsoul> hi nzg 13:25 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:44 < rxr> hi LocalHero 13:44 * rxr shortly consuming lunch - cu in some mintues 13:48 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-040.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 13:53 < blindy> rxr: an guadn 13:55 < daja77> *gg* 13:55 < blindy> moin daja77 13:56 < daja77> hi blindy 13:57 < rxr> ook 14:01 < daja77> O_o 14:03 < blindy> rxr: could you please apply 2004052614024119542 2004052508384210355 and 2004052508360110311 (the LVP update) 14:03 < blindy> rxr: it works flawlessly now with a vanilla tree 14:05 < rxr> I pefer non-vital non-critical stuff for clifford 14:05 < rxr> I do not want to get him upset just because I apply too much ... 14:05 < daja77> ... 14:07 < blindy> rxr: ok 14:07 < blindy> then I'll just build up the various pre-compilations for LVP and wait with the announcement until it's applied 14:07 < blindy> anyone here who can help me out with athlon builds? 14:12 < rxr> blindy: just announce it 14:12 < rxr> blindy: I mailed clifford several things and still have no reply 14:12 < rxr> blindy: just anounce your tarball and so on and point to the submaster patches ... 14:14 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:16 < tfing> |svn: Commit failed (details follow): 14:16 < tfing> |svn: Out of date: '/WORK' in transaction '1v' 14:16 < tfing> what can i do for this ? 14:16 < tfing> during a svn commit -m "SM Sync 3131:3148" 14:17 < daja77> tfing: how old? 14:17 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 < daja77> clifford changed the layout some weeks ago 14:17 < tfing> i had followed that change 14:17 < daja77> hm 14:18 < tfing> a did several sm sync since then 14:18 < daja77> screwed up clock? 14:19 < tfing> nope 14:21 < rxr> https://freshmeat.net/ 14:21 < rxr> ^- ROCK Linux 2.0.1 14:22 < jsaw> tfing: try "svn up" and "svn cleanup" 14:22 < rxr> oh - and we now have 1246 packages - only some weeks and I can announce the 1300 mark .. 14:22 < jsaw> tfing: and then commit again 14:22 < daja77> jsaw: svn up ins submaster? 14:23 < jsaw> yep 14:23 < rxr> jup 14:23 < blindy> rxr: ok, will do 14:23 < daja77> what does it to it 14:23 < tfing> svn upping, hope it won't create a complete mess 14:24 < jsaw> I usually do that, haven't seen a problem so far, but 14:24 < rxr> daja77: update . to the latest revision so svn allows commits again 14:24 < jsaw> if u want to be sure, you can save the output from svn diff... 14:25 < daja77> ah k. 14:25 < tfing> svn diff is quite long, since it contains the update of 3131:3148 14:26 < tfing> ok, went fine, thx 14:26 < jsaw> s/if u want to be sure/if u want to be 200% sure/ 14:29 * rxr canceled c't subscription ... 14:30 < daja77> hehe this is on my todo ... 14:31 < dsoul> blindy what help do you need with athlon? 14:35 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5b52.g.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:38 < blindy> dsoul: a complete LVP 0.4.1 build optimised for Athlon and Athlon XP 14:38 < blindy> dsoul: and from those the directory build/*/ROCK/lvp_* 14:39 < blindy> rxr: why canceled? 14:40 < rxr> no money left for such fun - and the content degraded 14:40 < dsoul> blindy i'll build for athlon xp 14:40 < blindy> hmm... can't say that it wouldn't ;/ 14:40 < daja77> cancelled what? 14:41 < blindy> dsoul: thanks ^_^ 14:42 < dsoul> :) 14:42 < blindy> dsoul: just tar up the directory and have it either mailed to me or put it up on a web or ftp-server 14:42 < blindy> dsoul: I can also create an FTP-Server here if you want 14:43 < dsoul> blindy when it'll be ready i'll send you a mail with web address 14:45 < blindy> dsoul: cool, thanks 14:48 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 15:09 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-92-157.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 15:09 < blokkie> hey all 15:09 < blokkie> I'm back , and loaded with the amd-64 laptop 15:09 < blokkie> how mutch free space do I need for a descent rocklinux build from scratch ? 15:10 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 15:11 < daja77> > 10gb 15:11 < esden> re 15:11 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5b52.g.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:11 [Users #rocklinux] 15:11 [ blindy ] [ fake ] [ LowLander] [ nookie_] [ tfing ] 15:11 [ blokkie] [ Freak ] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ th_ ] 15:11 [ daja77 ] [ Frederic] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 15:11 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ SMP ] [ valentin] 15:11 [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ Worf ] 15:11 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal] 15:12 < daja77> hi esden 15:18 < rxr> with gcc-3.2.3 and gcc-3.4.0 svn:HEAD does enter stage-5 just fine (generic x86 optimization) 15:24 < blokkie> I gave rock 35gig , just to be on the safe side 15:24 < daja77> :) 15:25 < blokkie> I'm loading up a basic mandrake , with devel tools, then after boot I'm grabbing the scripts and start building from scratch 15:27 < daja77> yep try that 15:35 * blindy --> train station, need to pick up some thing 16:21 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-92-157.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:43 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5b52.g.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:52 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5b52.g.pppool.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:53 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8DAA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:56 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 < blindy> back 17:16 * blindy --> dancing 17:18 < daja77> hf 17:29 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:29 < MadTux> Moin. 17:29 < dsoul> hi MadTux 17:29 < MadTux> yo dsoul 17:34 < nookie_> Heya MadTux :)) 17:34 < MadTux> 'lo n00k13! 17:35 < rxr> hi MadTux 17:36 < MadTux> oh.. Good day rxr :) 17:58 < daja77> why are these strange ppl discussing on our mailinglist 18:00 < rxr> which strange people? 18:00 < rxr> rock-user? 18:00 < daja77> yes 18:00 < rxr> because I CC'ed rock-user when I first replied to linux-kernel 18:01 < daja77> ic 18:01 < rxr> btw. I also got nice replies from other - one or two are even more linux-core people - liking the idea of ROCK and scheduling a try ... 18:01 < daja77> cool 18:02 < daja77> a pity that such post did not make it to the list 18:02 * rxr tracking ugly linux-header mess on PowerPC 18:02 < rxr> daja77: the ones who know replied in private ... 18:02 < rxr> daja77: the trolls to all lists ... ;) 18:02 * daja77 hasn't finished his kernel patching for 2.4 hppa >_< 18:02 < daja77> hehe 18:03 < rxr> can't those hppa people push their stuff into mainline ? 18:03 < daja77> they are in talk with the kernel.org about this 18:03 < daja77> but their patch is intrusive 18:04 < daja77> anyway what bothers me is not their patch but gcc-3.4 inling crap 18:04 < rxr> what that intrusive do they do? 18:04 < rxr> does it inline too much too less? 18:04 < rxr> (btw, just not take it right now for hppa when compiling it alone is fun enought ...) 18:04 < daja77> hehe 18:04 < rxr> and --inline-limit and firends might be your friend 18:05 < daja77> well the thing is that the inline calls cannot be resolved 18:05 < daja77> /scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/include/linux/fsfilter.h:86: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'filter_c2cdiops': function body not available 18:05 < daja77> dir.c:264: sorry, unimplemented: called from here 18:05 < daja77> stuff like that 18:06 < daja77> /scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/include/linux/fsfilter.h:92: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'filter_c2udops': function body not available 18:06 < daja77> dir.c:306: sorry, unimplemented: called from here 18:06 < daja77> when I threw out the inline keywords it worls 18:06 < rxr> hm - interesting - never saw those until now - so I have no receipe at hand 18:07 < daja77> the gcc folks say the kernel is broken, not our problem ... 18:07 < rxr> yeah - might well be 18:07 < rxr> mabe just use gcc-3.2 or so for hppa now ... 18:08 < rxr> or did you expperience the same for x86 or so ? 18:08 < daja77> nah I threw out most of the inling stuff already 18:08 < daja77> no I did not 18:08 * rxr on x86 and PowerPC neither .. 18:08 < MadTux> bbl 18:08 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has left #rocklinux [] 18:09 < rxr> even 2.4-vanilla does compile w/ gcc-3.4.0 on PowerPC IIRC 18:09 < daja77> maybe this inling calling is not possible to do in this way on hppa, dunno 18:09 < rxr> hm 18:10 < daja77> not with gcc-3.4 at least 18:10 < daja77> now I am working on modules only, the vmlinux binary has already been created 18:10 < rxr> AFAIK the kernel people use some "attribute always inline" hackery 18:11 < rxr> gcc-3.4 might just be more strict about when it is not possible to always inline it ... 18:11 < daja77> ok I threw out reiserfs because it had too much errors on this crap and just pissed me off 18:11 < daja77> maybe I fix that in a second run 18:12 < daja77> but now I am off for a birthday party 18:12 < daja77> cu 18:13 < rxr> oh - much fun 18:13 < rxr> cu 18:15 < rxr> ok a minimal+xfree does compile on x86 for generic with both gcc-2.3.2 and gcc-3.4.0 here 18:15 < rxr> I just fixed the only error: apmd ... 18:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D466.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:23 < rxr> and /me again debugging libtool 18:23 * rxr does not like when history repeats 18:26 < rxr> those damn Gnome people 18:26 < rxr> # find -name '*.la' | xargs grep -H '\-pthread' | cut -d : -f 1 | uniq 18:27 < rxr> Simon says: "-pthread" is no lib folks over there 18:27 -!- georg_s [~georg@M472P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:31 < rxr> maybe we should write a libtool wrapper 18:31 < rxr> replacing this dummy implementation with s.th. sane 18:35 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:36 < rxr> ok - PowerPC 2.0.1 install target finished 18:36 < rxr> now I wait for some system rebuild and off the ISO can go 18:51 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=45 18:51 < rxr> ^- suggestions ? 19:04 -!- nookie [~nookie@M302P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:22 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M381P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:59 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBF137.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:19 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBE10D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:32 < blindy> rxr: yeah: correct chronological order of Related News 20:37 < rxr> I saw this - I'm too lazy 20:37 < rxr> this sucks in typo3 and I refuse to shuffle them around until it likes them 20:37 < rxr> even the preview was correct 20:37 < rxr> thiy typoscript thing should be fixed to either use the one I enter 20:38 < rxr> or _preferably_ sort them itself 20:40 < blindy> better use the order you gave it 20:44 < rxr> the problem is anyway that reordering them in typo3 sucks 20:45 < rxr> so sorting is preferable 20:47 < rxr> today is a cool day - freshmeat has so few announcements that ROCK Linux is very long on the front page ... 20:47 < rxr> ,-) 20:49 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:04 * blindy bed 21:34 -!- _Vr_ [~vr@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #rocklinux 21:34 < rxr> hi _Vr_ 21:35 < _Vr_> hi rxr :) 21:35 < _Vr_> hi all 21:35 < _Vr_> it seems that rock rox, is it right ? :) 21:37 < rxr> well - I'm too much a core developer so my answer would be quite subjective ... 21:37 < _Vr_> :) 21:39 < tcr> _Vr_, Like every tool it depends on what you're trying to do with it 21:40 < _Vr_> yes 21:40 < _Vr_> i would like to do embedded linux 21:40 < _Vr_> what size can i approach with rock ? 21:41 < tcr> Pretty much what's possible without rock ;) Eh, no idea about absolute numbers, but several lightweigth c-libs are partially supported, so you could easily go from that 21:42 < tcr> I think it's been reported that ROCK works quite well for embedded jobs. Not sure by whom 21:42 < rxr> by me - and others 21:42 < rxr> we fully support dietlibc 21:42 < lowy> well for true embedded you need real cross compilation 21:42 < rxr> uclibc is partial - tho ... 21:43 < tcr> "partially supported" mostly because many program do not work with them 21:43 < rxr> lowy: we have real cross compilation of the basic stuff 21:43 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 21:43 < rxr> LowLander: most other stuff might just work when enabled - just that nobody tried further, yet 21:43 < tcr> LowLander, could you keep being named lowy? :) 21:44 < LowLander> huh ? 21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: size can be done to 2-4 MB when you just need a barebone kernel 21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: up to 6-7MB when you need a full fledged router, with ssh and such 21:44 < _Vr_> hum 21:44 < tcr> LowLander, the shorter the more pleasant for the eyes, IMHO. 21:44 < _Vr_> ok 21:44 < rxr> _Vr_: what are you requirements ? 21:44 < _Vr_> that's be great 21:44 < tcr> the shorter the nick 21:45 < rxr> _Vr_: and which architecture are you targetting ? 21:45 < _Vr_> rxr: just for information 21:45 < _Vr_> :) 21:45 < _Vr_> i386 for begenning 21:45 < LowLander> nah i use LowLander for about 10 years now, lowy only shows up because of the t-offline disconnects 21:46 < tcr> LowLander, Not sure, but didn't conventional irc server limit the max. nick length to 8? 21:47 < LowLander> nope 9 21:47 < LowLander> just fitted 21:47 < LowLander> highlander didn't fit 21:47 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M332P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 < tcr> You're such a badass :] 22:03 < esden> huarrrrrrrr ... 22:03 < esden> hi all sbtw 22:03 < esden> ;) 22:07 -!- nookie [~nookie@M302P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:10 < rxr> hi esden 22:14 < _Vr_> hum 22:14 < _Vr_> how can i download router ? 22:14 < _Vr_> is this minimal ? 22:15 < rxr> no 22:15 < rxr> maybe we do not have public router releases 22:15 < rxr> maybe someone here could build one - or yo just build it yourself 22:15 < rxr> minimal is quite a normal installable CD - just with a minimal package set ... 22:16 < _Vr_> hum ok 22:16 < _Vr_> but what i must download to build it ? 22:16 < rxr> either checkout the source from Subversion 22:16 < rxr> or grab a release tarball 22:16 < rxr> 2.0.1 was released today: 22:17 < _Vr_> ok 22:17 < _Vr_> what size ? 22:17 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.1.tar.bz2 22:17 < rxr> 1.4MB 22:17 < _Vr_> ok 22:17 < _Vr_> that's be cool 22:17 < rxr> runt the Configure ./scripts/Config 22:17 < _Vr_> thx rxr 22:17 < rxr> and download ./scripts/Dowload -requird 22:17 < rxr> -required even 22:18 < rxr> that just downloads stuff for the router if you selected it 22:18 < rxr> (maybe 50 or 100MB or so ...) 22:18 < rxr> and then ./scripts/Build-Target 22:18 < _Vr_> ok 22:18 < rxr> that should result in the router thing 22:18 < _Vr_> live cd ? 22:18 < rxr> (-- the errors you might encounter in your distribution when you do not build ROCK on ROCK ...) 22:18 < _Vr_> with ramdrive ? 22:19 < rxr> ouhm - we have a LiveCD target in the 2.1-DEV tree since a few days 22:19 < rxr> fake might be happy to tell about it 22:20 < _Vr_> The system is run entirely in a ramdisk. So the CD is not needed after the bootup and the floppy is only needed for booting and saving the configuration.The system is run entirely in a ramdisk. So the CD is not needed after the bootup and the floppy is only needed for booting and saving the configuration. 22:20 < _Vr_> hum double :) 22:20 < _Vr_> is this right ? 22:20 < rxr> you mean the router one? 22:21 < rxr> think so 22:21 < _Vr_> great 22:21 < rxr> when clifford wrote this somewhere it will be right ... 22:21 < _Vr_> i test and re for feedback 22:23 < fake> rxr: huh? 22:23 < fake> *readreadread* 22:23 < fake> the livecd does not run in RAM 22:24 < _Vr_> hum ? 22:24 < fake> livecd != router 22:24 < _Vr_> yes 22:24 < _Vr_> but the router run in ram ? 22:24 < fake> i guess so, never tried it ;) 22:24 < _Vr_> lol 22:24 < fake> very limited space, though 22:24 < _Vr_> ok i test 22:25 < _Vr_> what size for router ? 22:25 < fake> me want colorful kde 22:25 < _Vr_> :) 22:25 * fake evil 22:25 * _Vr_ hate kde 22:25 < rxr> _Vr_: the router is 6-7 MB in size IIRC 22:25 < fake> it's kind of a hate love 22:25 < _Vr_> rxr: gret 22:25 < _Vr_> i'm in love :) 22:26 < esden> _Vr_: full ack 22:26 < esden> _Vr_: about kde ;) 22:26 < rxr> esden: huh? 22:27 < esden> rxr: I hate kde because of the interface ... it is crap if you ask me ... I prefere currently enlightenment ;) 22:27 < _Vr_> kahakai for me ;) 22:27 < _Vr_> is ther a doc to add a target ? 22:28 < esden> but my choice of window manager varies from time to time .. but never kde ... I tryed to use it ... and it only sucked ... 22:28 < esden> it is unstable bloated and slow 22:28 < esden> when I use a comparable environment then it is gnome 22:29 < fake> _Vr_: Documentation/Developer/* 22:29 < _Vr_> thx 22:29 < fake> i think there is even a special file about adding targets... or some such 22:31 < fake> .oO( should have read it i guess... *g* ) 22:32 < esden> rxr: I only think that it is sad that only kde and blackbox (and it's children) are written in C++ ;) 22:34 < rxr> blackbox is crap C++ 22:35 < rxr> I do not know what you find so ugly w/ the KDE interface 22:37 < esden> Its stability ... and its look 22:38 < esden> I do not really know why ... but it is ugly 22:38 < esden> the look is ugly I mean 22:38 < _Vr_> hum 22:38 < _Vr_> gawk command not foun 22:38 < _Vr_> d 22:38 < esden> rxr: can be that the code of blackbox is ugly, I have not looked at it 22:38 < _Vr_> is this necessary ? 22:38 < rxr> just click on the plastik theme ... 22:39 < _Vr_> i've another awk 22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: ohm - yes 22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: ah - oehm: alias or symlink it ... 22:39 < rxr> _Vr_: are you on Linux ? 22:39 < _Vr_> yes 22:39 < _Vr_> debian 22:40 < _Vr_> i apt-get it 22:40 < _Vr_> :) 22:40 < _Vr_> nopb 22:40 < rxr> be warned - you need sed 22:40 < rxr> and curl 22:41 < _Vr_> i've sed 22:41 < _Vr_> i apt-get curl 22:42 < _Vr_> other things ? 22:43 < rxr> $ ./scripts/Check-System 22:43 < rxr> is your friend 22:43 < _Vr_> kool 22:44 < rxr> Check-System is run in Build-Target - but not for Download or Config ... 22:44 < _Vr_> no output 22:45 < _Vr_> great ? 22:45 < rxr> should be 22:46 < _Vr_> :) 22:48 < _Vr_> i've configured 22:48 < _Vr_> i download 22:49 < _Vr_> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror 22:49 < _Vr_> great !! :) 22:50 < esden> rxr: ok will try 23:02 -!- georg_s [~georg@M472P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:04 < daja77> re 23:05 < _Vr_> hum 23:05 < _Vr_> how to search a package in the tree ? 23:05 < daja77> grep? 23:06 < _Vr_> hum 23:06 < _Vr_> good idea :) 23:07 < esden> _Vr_: find packages -name "*package*" is what I use ;) 23:07 < _Vr_> ok :) 23:08 < daja77> grep name package/*/*/*desc 23:08 < daja77> :p 23:08 < _Vr_> hum 23:08 < _Vr_> does not exist 23:09 < _Vr_> :-( 23:09 < _Vr_> vtun.sf.net 23:09 < daja77> add it :) 23:09 < _Vr_> how to :) 23:10 < daja77> well if you only want to add it to your system you could 23:11 < daja77> mkpkg packagename make install 23:11 < daja77> which will add all copied files to package databse 23:11 < rxr> nah - he wants it on his embdedded router 23:11 < daja77> and for creating a rocklinux packge read the handbook 23:11 < rxr> _Vr_: we have a really cool handbook 23:12 < daja77> sorry did not know this 23:12 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/ 23:12 < rxr> daja77: no problem ;-) 23:12 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch21.html 23:13 < _Vr_> thx daja77 rxr 23:13 < _Vr_> it really rox 23:13 < daja77> :) 23:14 < rxr> hm 23:14 < rxr> [an error occurred while processing this directive] 23:14 < rxr> 23:14 < rxr> Besucher 23:14 < rxr> nice site 23:14 < daja77> O_o 23:15 < _Vr_> what site ? 23:16 < rxr> print companies (or what it is called in english) 23:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:16 < rxr> I do some research for my handbook - need it hard-copies w/ cover and such on paper 23:17 < daja77> rxr: have you tried to ask o'reilly? 23:20 < rxr> yeah - they think the user base might be too small right now 23:20 < rxr> I'm in negotiation with them about two other things 23:20 < daja77> could be true :\ 23:22 < daja77> btw I successfully installed rocklinux on a prototype computer we'll use at a school soon 23:22 < daja77> and now I am really tired 23:22 < daja77> n8 23:22 < rxr> prototype of? new hardware - or as software prototpye to deplay more boxes ? 23:22 < rxr> n8 daja77 23:23 < daja77> no they just gave us one box to test if the hw runs well on linux 23:23 < daja77> and it does 23:23 < daja77> n8 rxr 23:24 < rxr> n8 daja77 23:24 < _Vr_> hum 23:24 < _Vr_> download is very slow 23:29 < rxr> hm - then you might like to rm download/Mirror 23:30 < rxr> and restart it (so it redetects the mirror ...) 23:31 < _Vr_> checksum error 23:31 < _Vr_> hum hum 23:32 < _Vr_> retrying 23:32 < _Vr_> WARNING: Unkown file extension: download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt 23:32 < _Vr_> cksum-test (raw): download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt 23:32 < _Vr_> Cksum ERROR: download/base/sysfiles/services-20030730.txt.cksum-err (1673710515) 23:33 < rxr> hm - do you use a mirror ? Or did you disabled it now completely ? 23:35 < _Vr_> no touch to the mirror 23:35 < _Vr_> INFO: https://rock.inode.at/ROCK-2.0 23:36 < rxr> hm - not good 23:36 < rxr> however for this file it is uncritical just rename it to not have the cksum-err 23:37 < rxr> for other non-text-info files checksums errors should not happen and if treat with care 23:51 * netrunne1 about to spend 2kE 23:53 < _Vr_> Compil in progress 23:54 < rxr> nookie_: spend for what ? 23:56 < rxr> netrunne1: even .. 23:56 < rxr> damn completion 23:56 < rxr> btw - if lapotp, this one might be nice: 23:56 < rxr> https://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/mm/20/ 23:56 < rxr> no linux ganruante ... 23:57 < _Vr_> asus m5200n 23:57 < _Vr_> it's great 23:57 < _Vr_> very great 23:57 < _Vr_> linux compatible --- Log closed Thu May 27 00:00:09 2004