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00:04 < netrunner> rxr: ibm x40
00:04 < rxr> take a look on the sharp one ;-)
00:04 < rxr> Transmeta Efficion
00:05 < netrunner> yeah well, I already went pregnant with the idea of an ibook for 2 weeks, but returned to x86
00:06 < rxr> the x40 seems to be rather expensive ...
00:06 < _Vr_> http://www.emperorlinux.com/sharp.php
00:07 < _Vr_> i think linux work ;)
00:09 < netrunner> rxr: I think it's worth it. I replace my vaio pcg-n505x with it, and it fits size and weight fine. even bigger display.
00:09 < rxr> the sharp is only 1kg ...
00:09 < netrunner> If the value even stays that constant as the vaio did ...
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00:11 < netrunner> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1548264,00.asp <- the sharp
00:11 < netrunner> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1517083,00.asp <- the x40
00:12 < netrunner> students price at ibm is about 300E off
00:28  * rxr now building gcc-3.3 for nearly the first time
00:39 < esden> cu guys ... and good night ;)
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00:40 < MadTux> night esden|zZz 
00:40 < rxr> ok - 2.0.1 submitted to http://www.symlink.ch/
00:42 < MadTux> rxr: btw I wanted to apolagize in public for my attitude in the past days with you for the sparc port stuff. Sorry if i ofended you in anyway or got into your nerves.
00:42 < rxr> MadTux: no problem
00:43 < rxr> my U5 is just running - and I hope tomorrow I can assembly the next test ISO
00:43 < rxr> when installble (hopefully really this week) it will contain nearly 2.0.0 (-rc5) packages
00:43 < rxr> a 2.0.1 build is currently running - but it takes over a week ...
00:44 < rxr> and more important is the boot CD stuff
00:45 < MadTux> yeah.. i read a bit on the 2.0.1 announcement
00:48 < rxr> dRock submitted to freshmeat ...
00:48 < rxr> (two packages for more PR ;-)
00:48 < MadTux> :)
00:53 < rxr> ok - and /. again
00:53 < rxr> maybe once they pick us ...
00:56 < rxr> ok - cu -> /me crawling into bed
00:57 < MadTux> night rxr
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03:08 < MadTux> re
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04:03 < MadTux> hiho blindy
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05:12 < mnemoc> rehiu
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05:27 < demian> hi
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05:53 < mnemoc> hi demian 
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08:16 < blindy> moin
08:52 < netrunne1> moin
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08:52 < blindy> man, does ircp suck
08:53 < netrunner> damn, forgot to switch on build server :/
08:55 < blindy> brb, gotta do some monkey-job for HP
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10:09 < esden|zZz> hi alll ... cool ... rocklinux mentioned on www.symlink.org ;)
10:10 < daja77> you mean symlink.ch?
10:10 < esden|zZz> erm ... yes ;)
10:10 < daja77> :)
10:13 < blindy> re
10:15 < blindy> Aus der de-do-do-do,de-da-da-da Abteilung
10:15 < blindy> :)
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10:15 < BoS> moin moin
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10:20 < _Vr_> hi all
10:20 < daja77> hi _Vr_ 
10:20 < _Vr_> :)
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10:57 < rxr> rehi
10:57 < daja77> hi rxr 
11:09 < blindy> moin rxr
11:10 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/
11:10 < rxr> ^- ok  we are on it 
11:13 < BoS> great :)
11:13 < BoS> and the pps iso ath the same version?
11:25 < rxr> yep  - but they rs/6k just finished - so they might appear tomorrow.
11:29 < blindy> rxr: btw, what is so great about RS/6k?
11:29 < blindy> I have some here and they take _ages_ to boot
11:29 < blindy> the fastest I've seen was 10 minutes
11:29 < blindy> with the others ranging in the 20-30 minutes range
11:30 < rxr> they do an extreme self-test w/ the onboard system processor
11:31 < rxr> when it comes up (after displaying the status at the LED disply) you can be sure it will run stable thereafter ...
11:31 < dsoul> in linux24.desc should'n be -r6.patch?
11:33 < netrunne1> blindy: not every computer is designed for continuously switching it on/off
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11:34 < blindy> netrunner: well, they are used as workstations here and they are turned off each day
11:35 < blindy> rxr: I see
11:38 < rxr> dsoul: yes - I did not commit the -r6 update because I wanted a "works" confirmation ...
11:39 < rxr> dsoul: do you wanna test it ? then I hit the commit button ...
11:40 < dsoul> rxr i'm still with gcc-3.3.3 :)
11:41 < dsoul> but the problem is that there is not -try5.patch file there :)
11:42 < rxr> yes
11:42 < rxr> intentionally
11:42 < rxr> committed
11:42  * blindy starting last LVP build ^_^
11:46 < dsoul> ok i'll try build with gcc-3.4
11:47 < rxr> dsoul: you do not need to
11:47 < rxr> if the patch applies and linux builds all is better then w/ -try5 ...
11:48 < rxr> but ok - the patch applies I already tested this  - this time ...
11:51 < dsoul> :>
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12:06 < blokkie> where can I get a tarball with the scripts in ?
12:06 < blokkie> the website is a bit confusing
12:18 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html
12:18 < rxr> -> 
12:18 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/
12:18 < rxr> ok - only once
12:24 < blokkie> thx
12:27 < blokkie> mv: cannot stat `src/rockdialog.bin.12236': No such file or directory
12:27 < blokkie> Creating configuration script ...
12:27 < blokkie> Running ROCK Linux 2.0.1 configuration ...
12:27 < blokkie> unknown returncode: 127
12:27 < blokkie> this is after  .Config
12:28 < blokkie> ./Config
12:28 < blokkie> [blokkie@localhost scripts]$ pwd && find . | grep rockdialog.bin
12:28 < blokkie> [blokkie@localhost scripts]$
12:30 < blokkie> lot's off .c errors
12:30 < blokkie> this is prolly coz I have gcc for 64bit
12:34 < blindy> blokkie: do you have /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd ?
12:45 < blokkie> $ ls -al /dev/fd
12:45 < blokkie> lr-xr-xr-x  1 root root 13 May 27 12:27 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd/
12:47 < blokkie> sorry
12:47 < blokkie> I need to go
12:47 < blokkie> I'll be back this evening
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13:08  * rxr is now building a:
13:08 < rxr> O gcc3
13:08 < rxr> O glibc23
13:08 < rxr> X gcc2
13:08 < rxr> X glibc22
13:08 < rxr> build...
13:08 < blindy> rxr: crazy guy :)
13:08 < netrunner> you are bizzarre :)
13:09 < rxr> no - I just want to assure it's functionality
13:10 < rxr> (and I need it for a benchmark)
13:10 < rxr> == 13:09:32 =[0]=> Building base/glibc22 [2.2.5 2.1.0-DEV].
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13:14 < rxr> == 05/27/04 13:13:34 =[0]=> Finished building package glibc22.
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13:18 < tfing> 4 minutes to build glibc ?
13:20 < rxr> header extraction
13:34 < rxr> ohm - w/ this olds pkgs linux24 failed:
13:34 < rxr> !> cpp0: output pipe has been closed
13:41 < _Vr_> how to clean up compilation tree ?
13:43 < _Vr_> rxr: ?
13:43 < rxr> cleanup in what form ?
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13:46 < _Vr_> ./scripts/Build-Target
13:46 < _Vr_> i have stop it
13:46 < _Vr_> and i would like to recompil
13:46 < _Vr_> rebuild
13:47 < kramer1980> Hello
13:47 < kramer1980> I have a question on booting Rock linux cd. Am I in the right place for that?
13:47 < _Vr_> hello kramer1980 
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13:48 < kramer1980> hello _Vr_
13:48 < rxr> _Vr_: rebuild the whole thing?
13:48 < rxr> _Vr_: ok just continue the build
13:48 < rxr> kramer1980: yes sure
13:49  * rxr is busy doing commercial article work - so my resonse time might be a bit higher than usual
13:49 < _Vr_> ok :)
13:49 < _Vr_> but how to rebuild all package
13:50 < rxr> for all just do
13:50 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -full
13:50 < kramer1980> rxr: ok great. I have this old mac powerpc G3, and just burned cd 1, but it doesn't boot. When the machine starts, it tries, but it automatically reboots. Should the cd be working, or is my hardware too old
13:50 < rxr> but you loose all your build results - I hople this is what you really want
13:51 < rxr> kramer1980: oh - cool interesting
13:51 < _Vr_> rxr: yes
13:51 < _Vr_> tis is what i want
13:51 < _Vr_> :)
13:51 < rxr> kramer1980: which cd did you use
13:51 < rxr> (filename)
13:51 < kramer1980> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/desktop/ <<= here I downloaded PPC cd 1
13:51 < rxr> ah ok
13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: then your hardware is not yet supported
13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: I'm interested in supporting oldworld macs, too
13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: I just have none here
13:52 < kramer1980> rxr: what is this "oldworld" and "newworld"
13:53 < kramer1980> I'm pretty newbie to mac, though not to linux
13:53 < rxr> kramer1980: when I have more time on the weekend I read thru docs and improve ROCK Linux too be bootable (if possible)
13:53 < rxr> and would notify you then
13:53 < rxr> kramer1980: this classifies the general hardware revision - in the combination of hardware and firmware
13:53 < kramer1980> rxr: wow, that would be great
13:54 < rxr> kramer1980: could you mail to rene@rocklinux.org so i have you mail address to notify you when I worked out some stuff=
13:54 < rxr> ? even ;-)
13:54 < kramer1980> rxr: I already did :-)
13:55 < kramer1980> But I saw this irc address, so I thought, maybe there are some people with much knowledge of this stuff
13:55 < rxr> ah - ic 
13:55 < kramer1980> rxr: I didn't know you were rene :-)
13:56 < rxr> oldworld does not mean your hardware is bad - it is just the older generation PowerPC stuff from Apple
13:56 < rxr> w/ NewWorld OpenFirmware and so changed (I need to reread the details, too - since I never had OldWorld hardware)
13:56 < rxr> but Linux runs on it just fine - it is just a matter to add the proper boot infrastructure to the cd
13:57 < kramer1980> rxr: ok. thanks a lot for your trouble! I appreciate it
13:57 < kramer1980> rxr: ah I see (the booting matter)
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14:19 < rxr> ok - cool, gcc2/glibc22:
14:19 < rxr> == 05/27/04 14:09:45 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
14:19 < daja77> nice
14:20 < rxr> hm - the linux24 failure is:
14:20 < rxr> filemap.c: In function `sys_sendfile64':
14:20 < rxr> filemap.c:1949: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
14:20 < rxr> intesting ....
14:20 < daja77> had an error in filemap.c too for hppa target
14:21 < rxr> this is more likely a real ICE in gcc-2.95.3:
14:21 < rxr> (insn 358 447 367 (set (reg/v:SI 5 %edi)
14:21 < rxr>         (asm_operands/v ("1:    movl %%eax,0(%2)
14:21 < rxr> 2:      movl %%edx,4(%2)
14:21 < rxr> 3:
14:21 < rxr> .section .fixup,"ax"
14:21 < rxr> 4:      movl %3,%0
14:21 < rxr>         jmp 3b
14:21 < rxr> .previous
14:21 < rxr> .section __ex_table,"a"
14:21 < rxr>         .align 4
14:21 < rxr>         .long 1b,4b
14:21 < rxr>         .long 2b,4b
14:21 < rxr> .previous") ("=r") 0[
14:21 < rxr> ...
14:23 < daja77> sure the error I had was different
14:53 < _Vr_> hum
14:53 < _Vr_> i've build error
14:53 < _Vr_> for linux24-src
14:54 < daja77> which
14:54 < _Vr_> Extracting the Linux Kernel Sources [2.4.25] ...
14:54 < _Vr_> !> tar: dl-open.c:395: dl_open_worker: Assertion `new->l_se ..
14:54 < _Vr_> !> /home/vr/work/rocklinux/2.0-stable/scripts/Build-Pkg: li ..
14:54 < _Vr_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux24-src.out -> 1-linux24-src.err
14:54 < _Vr_> == 05/27/04 14:10:05 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux24-src.
14:55 < daja77> seems that your tar is broken
14:56 < _Vr_> hum
14:56 < _Vr_> checksum ok
14:57 < rxr> ouhm
14:57 < rxr> what glibc do you have on your debian
14:57 < rxr> and what debian is this?
14:58 < _Vr_> libc6          2.3.2.ds1-12
14:58 < _Vr_> debian testing
14:59 < _Vr_> is there a pb ?
15:00 < rxr> does not seem to be very stable when you get such dl_open assertion
15:00 < rxr> I have used many libc - but never got such deeper errors ...
15:00 < _Vr_> :-/
15:00 < rxr> preliminary data - without much meaning - just for entertainment:
15:01 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/compile-speed4.png
15:01 < rxr> very preleminary - copyright /me
15:02 < daja77> hm sometimes faster, sometimes slower, right?
15:02 < rxr> sadly yes
15:02 < rxr> but this war run on my main build box - also running apache and such
15:03 < rxr> I do not yet know how much I can trust this data
15:03 < rxr> I will rebuild them at least a third time ..
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15:28 < blokkie> yo rxr , I got that error figured out
15:28 < blokkie> :-)
15:28 < blokkie> ncurses header missing
15:29 < rxr> what error ?
15:30 < daja77> make[1]: Entering directory `/scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/arch/parisc/math-emu'
15:30 < daja77> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `modules'.
15:30 < daja77> weee finished
15:30 < rxr> cool daja77 is becomming our hppa person
15:31 < rxr> btw, do you have a hppa or hppa64 ?
15:31 < blokkie> rxr , I could not run  ./Config , and you asked about /dev/df stuff
15:31 < daja77> 32
15:31 < daja77> need additional 3h to assemble everything for rock scripts I guess
15:33 < rxr> daja77: do not do this for the kernel yet
15:33 < daja77> hm?
15:33 < rxr> daja77: when you need so many patches better wait for a pkgform linux package so you can safly add hppa quirks ..
15:33 < rxr> pkgfork even
15:33 < rxr> or split
15:34 < rxr> whatever clifford nameed it ..
15:34 < daja77> ah that
15:34 < daja77> guess he is busy with linuxwochen atm
15:34 < netrunner> until then the patches can be appended in a seperate target or in arch ...
15:34  * netrunner about to leave to linuxwochen
15:34 < daja77> yep sth like
15:34 < daja77> that
15:34 < rxr> not a target
15:34 < daja77> no arch, not target
15:35 < daja77> I did not mean target
15:35 < rxr> but I guess those patches are not always available for each kernel
15:35 < rxr> so pkgfork and conditional version number is the thing to do for hppa
15:35 < daja77> they are, even for 2.4.27-pre and 2.6.7-pre
15:35 < rxr> oh
15:36 < daja77> guess hp pays some devs for it
15:38 < rxr> has there been a FTP connection tracking bug in 2.4.21 ?
15:39 < rxr> (yeah - I know I should update this RS/6k ...)
15:42 < mnemoc> moin
15:43 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
15:43 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:43 < mnemoc> hi rxr, daja77 
15:45 < mnemoc> what is a linuxwochen?
15:45 < rxr> linux days
15:45 < rxr> some kinda meeting fair - where people meet and such
15:45 < mnemoc> and that means?
15:45 < mnemoc> like a camp?
15:46 < daja77> it means linux weeks, and there several events all over austria grouped together by that name
15:46 < daja77> atm there is an event at vienna where clifford is involved
15:47 < mnemoc> how many days?
15:47 < daja77> 26th-29th may
15:47 < mnemoc> several events? in paralel or like LT?
15:48 < daja77> there have been other events before that and there is another one after that iirc
15:48 < daja77> no not in parallel
15:49 < daja77> oh seems to be that crossbuilds to hppa can only be made on x86
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15:54 < daja77> args the parisc ppl do not create tarballs of palo, will need cvs
16:02 < mnemoc> aarg... the default config said 'use utc instead of localtime', and init.d/system does hwclock --localtime :|
16:03 < mnemoc> daja77: building for parisc on a ppc?
16:04 < daja77> might not worl
16:04 < daja77> work
16:04 < daja77> no I have no ppc atm
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16:16 < blokkie> bugger bugger
16:17 < blokkie> OOo from source is giving me a headage
16:18 < mnemoc> java problem?
16:19 < daja77> OOo src is the headache
16:22 < blokkie> no java errors
16:22 < blokkie> even apache-ant works
16:23 < blokkie> configure is fine .. but when it builds a configure.status it bails out 
16:23 < blokkie> configure: creating ./config.status
16:23 < blokkie> config.status: creating set_soenv
16:23 < blokkie> Setting up the environment for building OpenOffice.org
16:23 < blokkie> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at ./set_soenv line 464.
16:23 < blokkie> and it go's on like that
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16:25 < nzg> moin
16:25 < daja77> this parisc-linux project is really anoying sometimes
16:25 < daja77> Since Debian is the only distribution supporting PA-RISC architecture, if you want to use the Super Cow powers, you need to have some basic knowledge about the Debian packaging system.
16:26 < daja77> hello guys there is a gentoo port available for a while, and installing packages can be much easier when not using debian crap
16:27 < blokkie> :-)
16:27 < daja77> guess this howto needs soem rewrite
16:27  * blindy going home
16:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ntw, output is:
16:27 < rxr> tail: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1'
16:27 < rxr> Try `tail --help' for more information.
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16:38 < MadTux> good day.
16:38 < blokkie> greetings MadTux
16:38 < daja77> rxr: is there a arch flag for hppa already?
16:44 < rxr> what kind of arch flag do you mean ?
16:44 < daja77> [R] + hppa <- sth like that
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16:52 < nzg> re
16:56 < _Vr_> little question
16:57 < _Vr_> what time for router target compilation ?
16:58 < MadTux> what are the specs of the box u are going to use to build it?
16:59 < MadTux> _Vr_: ?
17:00 < _Vr_> hum
17:00 < _Vr_> intel P4 2.8
17:00 < _Vr_> 512Mo ram
17:00 < _Vr_> hyperthreading
17:00 < MadTux> _Vr_: around 6 hours the most.
17:00 < _Vr_> ok
17:00 < _Vr_> thx
17:00 < MadTux> u are very welcome.
17:00 < MadTux> :)
17:02 < _Vr_> :)
17:05 < _Vr_> what is process named "3" ?
17:10 < _Vr_> ?
17:13 < tcr> _Vr_, ps -fl -p 3
17:14 < tcr> oh, /named/ 3?
17:14 < _Vr_> yes
17:14 < _Vr_> 99.9  0.0  82:35.55 3
17:14 < _Vr_> hum hum
17:15 < _Vr_> %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
17:15 < _Vr_> 99.9  0.0  82:35.55 3
17:15 < _Vr_> it's the building process
17:15 < _Vr_> but what parts ?
17:16 < _Vr_> hum
17:16 < _Vr_> emacs -batch -q -eval (while load-path (princ (concat (car load-path) "\n")) (
17:16 < _Vr_> what emacs is in building process ?
17:16 < _Vr_> s/what/why/
17:17 < tcr> _Vr_, what's the parent process of it?
17:18 < tcr> (do you know the --forest option of ps?)
17:18 < _Vr_>  /bin/sh ./configure --prefix=/home/vr/work/rocklinux/2.0-stable/build/default-2.0.2-x86-penti
17:18 < _Vr_> tcr: i ps -fax
17:18 < _Vr_> can i paste the tree ?
17:19 < _Vr_> 12 lines
17:19 < tcr> _Vr_, No, not needed. Just the whole invocation line of that command
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17:19 < tcr> (you cutted it by -penti...; the intersting stuff comes after that)
17:20 < _Vr_> hum
17:20 < _Vr_> little terminal
17:20 < _Vr_> :)
17:20 < tcr> less -S
17:22 < _Vr_> hum
17:22 < _Vr_> very very long line
17:22 < _Vr_> how to copypaste it ?
17:23 < _Vr_> this is base/gettext
17:23 < _Vr_> that compil
17:23 < tcr> So we have the cause
17:24 < _Vr_> ???*
17:24 < tcr> _Vr_, This answers your question. Gettext seems to make use of it in some way or another
17:25 < tcr> It's only indirectly related to Rock
17:25 < _Vr_> ok
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18:06 < daja77> args this hppa shit gives me the creeps
18:10 < blokkie> what is hppa ?
18:10 < daja77> parisc based workstations by hp
18:10 < daja77> I am trying to push our port a bit forward
18:12 < blokkie> ah great :-)
18:12 < blokkie> I'm working on that amd port 
18:12 < blokkie> at least .. trying atm 
18:13 < blokkie> not much luck though, the env of Mandrake is _evil_
18:13 < _Vr_> mdk sux
18:13 < blokkie> a subtile remark :-)
18:13 < daja77> blokkie: amd64 is not that sick
18:13 < _Vr_> blokkie: :)
18:14 < blokkie> I'm still learning daja77 , give me time and I will confirm your statement :-)
18:15 < daja77> *gg*
18:17 < mnemoc> re
18:18 < daja77> re mnemoc 
18:18 < mnemoc> daja77!
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18:45 < rxr> hey - cool - we are on osnews.com - again
18:45 < daja77> thx to valentin
18:46 < rxr> seems we have a news rock-devel contributor
18:46 < daja77> rxr: do you have two minutes for me in query?
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19:04 < daja77> <- off
19:25 < rxr> cu da
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19:30 < rxr> oh mygod
19:30 < rxr> we really should keep us in news sites
19:31 < rxr> freshmeat + osnews + symlink makes my rocklinux-consulting.de hits go up like crazzy ...
19:33 < mnemoc> but we have never been slashdoted :(
19:34 < _Vr_> :)
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19:46 < esden> hi all
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19:51 < _Vr_> hi esden 
19:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I think this is difficult with a minor release
19:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I think 2.1-stable is the next /. chance ...
19:51 < mnemoc> i hope so 
19:52 < rxr> at least rocklinux-consulting.de will not withstand the /. effect
19:52 < rxr> hopefully at least the rocklinux.{orig,net} will
19:53 < mnemoc> there is any reason to not do hwclock on system stop?
19:53 < mnemoc> is not needed?
19:54 < rxr> no I would not mess the system clock unecessarily
19:54 < rxr> --typos
19:54 < mnemoc> ok
19:55 < mnemoc> i'll go to lunch... cu :)
19:55 < blindy> hi esden 
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19:56 < nzg> moin
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20:08 < esden> hi _Vr_ blindy 
20:08 < esden> hi nzg 
20:08 < nzg> moin esden
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20:19 < _Vr_> == 15:50:29 =[1]=> Building base/gettext [0.12.1 2.0.2].
20:20 < _Vr_> Thu May 27 20:20:03 CEST 2004
20:20 < _Vr_> is this possibly blocking ?
20:20 < _Vr_> it is at 98% since 15:50:29
20:20 < _Vr_> ???
20:22 < rxr> yep - gettext compiles withint minutes ...
20:22 < _Vr_> hum hum
20:23 < rxr> what is your cpu load ?
20:23 < _Vr_> 1.3
20:24 < _Vr_> i stop it
20:24 < _Vr_> and reload
20:24 < rxr> nah
20:24 < rxr> what does top tell you
20:24 < rxr> which program consumes all the cpu time ?
20:24 < _Vr_> 1.34, 1.11, 1.04
20:24 < _Vr_> 3
20:24 < _Vr_> is the name
20:24 < _Vr_> :/
20:24 < rxr> 3 ?
20:24 < _Vr_> yes
20:24 < _Vr_> 3
20:25 < _Vr_> :/
20:25 < _Vr_> i've explained it
20:25 < _Vr_> below
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20:25 < rxr> what does pstree tell you is the call trace fo Build-Target ?
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20:52 < blindy>  /away gone
21:06 < christian_> anyone here who knows why: http://nopaste.php.cd/16792
21:07 < rxr> you mean who knows C++ ?
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21:09 < rxr> christian_: you need at least typename instead of class in the template
21:10 < christian_> that means rxr? 
21:12 < rxr> typename T::const_iterator iter; // l:138 
21:12 < rxr> ^- should do
21:12 < christian_> ah tanks
21:13 < christian_> it works
21:15 < christian_> rxr :( 
21:15 < rxr> christian_: ?
21:15 < christian_> if i use this function like this:
21:15 < christian_> echoVector(my_integer_vector, s); I get an error
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21:15 < christian_> /tmp/ccB0EjM6.o(.text+0x63d): In function `CmkCalculator::fillPointerList()':
21:15 < christian_> : undefined reference to `void CmkString::echoVector<std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> > >(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
21:15 < christian_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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21:16 < rxr> christian_: !
21:17 < christian_> hm :)
21:18 < christian_> what?
21:18 < rxr> tring your stuff
21:18 < rxr> works here - do you use g++ and not gcc ?
21:18 < christian_> i use g++
21:20 < christian_> hmf :( 
21:20 < rxr> do you use an serperate object - or is this in one file ?
21:21 < christian_> rxr, this function is a part of a class
21:21 < christian_> I generate a object of this class and use the template function with the class
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21:22 < _wicked_> hi ppl
21:22 < christian_> jo _wicked_
21:22 < _wicked_> err... you know, i want to ask you something about rocklinux
21:23 < _Vr_> don't ask to ask just say hello and ask :)
21:24 < christian_> rxr - *cry*
21:24 < christian_> rxr, need more sourcecode?
21:24 < rxr> christian_: hm ?
21:24 < _wicked_> ok so hello :) i want to install linux on my laptop (p100, 16 mb ram), i found rocklinux on distrowatch.com so i want to ask you about minimal requirements ...
21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: theoretically runs everywhere ...
21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: but my official ISOs are optimized for pentium-mmx
21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: but I got a report that they seem to run normal on classic pentiums anyway
21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: but I would not trust on it
21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: + our normal installer does use a rather huge ramdisk - your 16MB would be a bit tiny
21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: you either need to enable swap in the beginning
21:26 < _wicked_> yo, of course
21:27 < rxr> _wicked_: or use our small install image (selectable on CD) - but to be honest I nearly never use it  - so I can not garnatee it works well .... :-(
21:27 < _wicked_> oh just another question: that laptop doesn't have CDROM so... it's a bit complicated... :)
21:28 < christian_> rxr hmn? :>
21:28 < rxr> ouhm - "no problem" - ROCK Linux is net installable (if you have another box as server)
21:28 < rxr> christian_: if you /need/ you can send me the source ...
21:28 < rxr> christian_: is this "urgent" ?
21:28 < _wicked_> ok i will try it
21:28 < _wicked_> thnx
21:28 < rxr> _wicked_: mom
21:28 < christian_> rxr hmn no :> 
21:28 < rxr> _wicked_: do you ahve experience in network installations and such ?
21:29 < rxr> _wicked_: and another box as server ?
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21:29 < rxr> _wicked_: if you have not much net install experience make sure you have some documents hany - otherwise it might not be that much fun ...
21:31 < _wicked_> i know some linux/bsd distros and yes i use a lot net install :)
21:31 < rxr> ok - have fun
21:31 < rxr> (me hopes the small image works well ...)
21:32 < _wicked_> ok :)
21:34 < esden> very nice ... caching is giving over 50% speedup! 
21:34 < esden> ohh ... wrong channel
21:37 < rxr> esden: caching of ?
21:42 < fake> boy am i tired
21:44 < mnemoc> rehi
21:49 < esden> rxr: caching of dependency information generated by the project scanner in autoautoconf
21:50 < esden> But I am sure that when I improove the caching (cache more and more exact) then I will gain even higher speedup
21:57 < mnemoc> esden: this means you are _really_ back?
21:58 < rxr> esden: autoautoconf it what ?
21:58 < esden> mnemoc: no ... it does not have anything to do with rocklinux
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21:58 < mnemoc> :'( snif snif snif
21:59 < blokkie> re
21:59 < esden> rxr: it is something similar to Confix (a generator for autosplat files for a project (another meta level))
21:59 < esden> but confix does not have all the functionality we need
22:00 < esden> so I wrote another version
22:00 < esden> or better "yet another one"
22:00 < esden> ohh poor mnemoc ;)
22:01 < mnemoc> don't laught
22:02 < esden> ok ... sorry
22:02 < esden> hmm ... strange ... still got not bashed by rxr for aac being ill ;)
22:03 < esden> it is somewhat ill after all ... but it is working pretty well ... and really saving time ...
22:06 < rxr> I do not know autoautoconf ...
22:06 < rxr> aht what is autosplat files? 
22:06 < blokkie> autorererereconf :-)
22:06 < esden> sure you do not know it ... I have not released it yet ;)
22:07 < esden> rxr: autosplat = autoconf automake libtool and co.
22:07 < rxr> who names it autosplat ?
22:08 < esden> everyone who hates it ;)
22:08 < rxr> ok - and what have you changed on it 
22:08 < esden> I read that in many places now...
22:08 < rxr> ? even
22:09 < esden> i have written an application that is scanning a source tree and creating Makefile.am files (for now but it will also generate configure.ac and co. later)
22:10 < rxr> hm
22:10 < esden> and that application has a working name autoautoconf
22:10 < blokkie> like reading the m4 files etc ?
22:10 < esden> will be called different when we release it ... someday ... when it is ready ;)
22:10 < esden> blokkie: which m4 files?
22:11 < esden> I am only creating the input for "autoreconf -i"
22:11 < esden> autoreconf is doing all the other stuff
22:11 < esden> I do not really care about it ;)
22:11 < blokkie> esden,  that autoconf / aclocal use
22:11 < esden> blokkie: what for? 
22:11 < rxr> this auto* dung is that ill I would not even thing about creating input for it ...
22:12 < rxr> but anyway - much fun
22:12 < rxr> hope it does not take you away from ROCK all the time ...
22:12 < esden> I read the directory structure and what cpp and hpp files are there ... it does not have to read m4 crap
22:13 < esden> rxr: no ... my main task currently is writing a threading c++ library
22:14 < esden> rxr: I hate autoconf ... but there is nothing better out there ... and I _really_ do not want to write a replacement for it by myself
22:16 < rxr> does it do threading - or more?
22:16 < rxr> there are tons of threading libraries out here ...
22:16 < rxr> there even
22:17 < esden> rxr: yes there are lots of threading libraries out there ... but none is sutable for our needs ...
22:17 < rxr> and what is that special w/ your needs ?
22:17 < esden> we need the functionality near to the one in ACE but it is very oldstyle code ... 
22:17 < esden> and none of other threading libaries is providing enough functionality or is written clean enough
22:18 < rxr> ACE is oldstyle ?
22:18 < rxr> (/me never took a look into ACE ...)
22:19 < esden> sure ... it can be compiled on everything from a normal pc to a cray ... and so they are using only the structures that are avalable in all c++ compilers
22:19 < esden> they also run on a cray ... imagine that!
22:20 < esden> so they are for example nearly nowhere using templates
22:20 < esden> because there are only few compilers supporting templates in a wide range
22:20 < rxr> yeah - sure
22:21 < rxr> ok - /me looking forward to your threading++ library
22:21 < esden> we only support icc gcc and perhups the solaris compiler (we have not yet lookt at it so that is unsure)
22:22 < esden> so we use nearly everything icc and gcc provide
22:22 < esden> to get clean and nice designed code
22:23 < esden> our boss is a real c++ crack ... that is really ill ;)
22:23 < esden> that guy is speaking c++ ;)
22:29  * rxr not ?
22:30 < rxr> esden: btw, you might want to use gcc-3.4 if you do not do so already
22:30 < rxr> esden: it is even  more picky about the code you thow thru it ..
22:30 < rxr> throw even ...
22:31 < esden> rxr: I know that ... but currently we use 3.3.x iirc ... and I tryed to compile with 3.4 and have not yet fixed our code so that it compiles under 3.4 ... but it is the next task I want to do
22:31 < esden> but first aac has to work correctly ... after that I can do more funny things ;)
22:32 < rxr> openssl "make test" is nice
22:34 < esden> humm ... I have to take a look at it ...
22:35 < esden> we have also an active and passive testing framework for our code ... it is surely interesting what others have ;)
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23:37 < SMP> rxr: what does it do? same as "openssl speed"?
23:38 < rxr> nice testsuit ...
23:38 < rxr> I have not yet tried spped
23:38 < rxr> will look at it now ...
23:40 < rxr> hm - interesting
23:40 < rxr> but useless for benchmarks ...
23:41 < SMP> why?
23:41 < rxr> because it seems to do fixed time looping
23:41 < rxr> and you have to parse the output then ...
23:41 < rxr> far easier would be a fixed loop count ...
23:42 < SMP> wait till it's finished ;)
23:43 < rxr> what does it do at the ened ?
23:44 < SMP> or try -mr
23:45 < rxr> already found -mt
23:45 < rxr> -mr even ...
23:51 < rxr> 800Mhz iBook:
23:51 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
23:51 < rxr> rsa  512 bits   0.0030s   0.0003s    330.7   3401.6
23:51 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits   0.0171s   0.0009s     58.6   1064.6
23:51 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits   0.1111s   0.0033s      9.0    305.7
23:51 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits   0.7633s   0.0119s      1.3     84.1
23:51 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
23:51 < rxr> dsa  512 bits   0.0028s   0.0034s    357.5    296.8
23:51 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits   0.0091s   0.0112s    109.6     89.6
23:51 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits   0.0319s   0.0393s     31.3     25.4
23:52 < SMP> ouch
23:54 < rxr> without much optimizations applied ...
23:55 < rxr> (e.g. no -mcpu=powerpc -mtune=750 ...
23:55 < SMP> that's half the speed of a Piii-800
23:55 < rxr> )
23:55 < SMP> no too bad
23:56 < SMP> not too bad
23:56 < rxr> hm - taken a look again, it should have been the optimized bin
23:57 < SMP> does it use the AltiVec unit?
23:59 < rxr> no - I have a G3 wo/ Altivec
23:59 < rxr> ok this is an athlon-xp:
23:59 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
23:59 < rxr> rsa  512 bits   0.0007s   0.0001s   1362.8  14649.4
23:59 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits   0.0033s   0.0002s    304.0   5656.6
23:59 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits   0.0187s   0.0006s     53.4   1812.3
23:59 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits   0.1230s   0.0019s      8.1    519.8
23:59 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
23:59 < rxr> dsa  512 bits   0.0006s   0.0007s   1619.9   1387.3
23:59 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits   0.0016s   0.0019s    622.9    524.8
23:59 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits   0.0051s   0.0061s    197.5    164.7
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