--- Log opened Fri May 28 00:00:08 2004
--- Day changed Fri May 28 2004
00:00 < rxr> -XP-2500
00:01  * rxr building -Os -mcpu=750 and rerun on the iBook
00:01 < SMP> :->
00:04 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:04 < SMP> rsa  512 bits   0.0010s   0.0001s   1023.5  11458.3
00:04 < SMP> rsa 1024 bits   0.0049s   0.0003s    203.9   3751.1
00:04 < SMP> rsa 2048 bits   0.0293s   0.0009s     34.1   1125.1
00:04 < SMP> rsa 4096 bits   0.2007s   0.0031s      5.0    321.3
00:04 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:04 < SMP> dsa  512 bits   0.0008s   0.0010s   1240.6   1032.0
00:04 < SMP> dsa 1024 bits   0.0026s   0.0030s    391.0    333.8
00:04 < SMP> P4 2,4GHz
00:06 < SMP> oh, gee
00:06 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:06 < SMP> rsa  512 bits   0.0033s   0.0003s    304.3   3034.3
00:06 < SMP> rsa 1024 bits   0.0186s   0.0010s     53.9    972.5
00:06 < SMP> rsa 2048 bits   0.1223s   0.0037s      8.2    268.7
00:06 < SMP> rsa 4096 bits   0.8458s   0.0135s      1.2     74.0
00:06 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:06 < SMP> dsa  512 bits   0.0029s   0.0036s    340.1    281.1
00:06 < SMP> dsa 1024 bits   0.0100s   0.0122s     99.7     82.1
00:06 < SMP> OSX 10.2 on XServe
00:07 < rxr> SMP: you have one? or just remove access?
00:07 < SMP> just the one from the SF compile farm
00:08 < rxr> oh, ...
00:08 < SMP> it's ridicously slow
00:08 < rxr> btw, the athlon beats the PIV ...
00:09 < SMP> no surprise here
00:09 < rxr> here - neither
00:09  * SMP trying the SF CF Opteron
00:10 < rxr> hm - we should get ROCK user-compileable, so we can use their boxes and power to build CDs ...
00:11 < rxr> oh ! Or nightly distributed reference builds ...
00:11 < SMP> but I'd be curious to see how well a Pentium M performs
00:11 < rxr> yes, the Pentium M is not that bad ...
00:11 < rxr> have you one in range ?
00:12 < rxr> and (when we are at it) what happend to your Sony display 
00:12 < SMP> yes, but it's running windows
00:13 < SMP> nothing happened with my Vaio's display yet - I hope to send it in later today
00:13 < rxr> ok, iBook -Os -mcpu=750 numbers should be ready, soon
00:13 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:13 < SMP> rsa  512 bits   0.0005s   0.0000s   2109.4  25804.1
00:13 < SMP> rsa 1024 bits   0.0025s   0.0001s    399.2   7856.1
00:13 < SMP> rsa 2048 bits   0.0155s   0.0004s     64.5   2285.3
00:13 < SMP> rsa 4096 bits   0.1032s   0.0016s      9.7    640.2
00:13 < SMP>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:13 < SMP> dsa  512 bits   0.0004s   0.0005s   2228.6   1895.0
00:13 < SMP> dsa 1024 bits   0.0013s   0.0016s    754.5    620.7
00:13 < SMP> Opteron rules them all ...
00:14 < rxr> rsa  512 bits   0.0032s   0.0003s    316.5   3323.4
00:14 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits   0.0176s   0.0009s     56.8   1055.2
00:14 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits   0.1117s   0.0033s      9.0    305.1
00:14 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits   0.7558s   0.0117s      1.3     85.6
00:14 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:14 < rxr> dsa  512 bits   0.0028s   0.0035s    354.1    287.4
00:14 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits   0.0092s   0.0116s    108.9     85.9
00:14 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits   0.0318s   0.0404s     31.5     24.8
00:14 < SMP> no improvement ...
00:14 < rxr> not a difference :-(
00:19 < rxr> ^- ignore those
00:19 < rxr> accidently compiled with gcc-2.95.3
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00:19 < rxr> ;-)
00:20  * rxr too bad when one has this all lying around while writing an article:
00:20 < rxr> bin-2.95.3  bin-3.0.4  bin-3.2.3  bin-3.3.3  bin-3.4.0
00:20 < rxr> and in some minutes also bin-gcc-3.5-20040523
00:20  * rxr rebuilding openssl w/ gcc-3.4 ...
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00:33 < nzg> moin
00:33 < rxr> hm - tiny improvements:
00:34 < rxr> moin nzg 
00:34 < rxr> rsa  512 bits   0.0030s   0.0003s    334.7   3476.5
00:34 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits   0.0167s   0.0009s     59.8   1096.1
00:34 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits   0.1086s   0.0032s      9.2    311.8
00:34 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits   0.7438s   0.0115s      1.3     87.0
00:34 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
00:34 < rxr> dsa  512 bits   0.0027s   0.0033s    365.9    301.4
00:34 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits   0.0089s   0.0108s    113.0     92.9
00:34 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits   0.0309s   0.0373s     32.3     26.8
00:34 < nzg> moin rxr
00:54 < esden> cu all
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00:54 < nzg> n8 esden
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01:00 < rxr> compiled with -O2 instead -Os the iBook gets some more bits/s ...
01:00 < rxr> now trying the difference with -funit-at-a-time -ftracer ...
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01:17 < rxr> hm - those are all no wonders: -O2 -mcpu=750 -ftracer -funit-at-a-time
01:17 < rxr> (iBook @800Mhz):
01:17 < rxr> rsa  512 bits   0.0029s   0.0003s    341.9   3500.9
01:17 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits   0.0166s   0.0009s     60.2   1110.2
01:17 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits   0.1040s   0.0030s      9.6    327.9
01:17 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits   0.7071s   0.0110s      1.4     91.0
01:17 < rxr>                   sign    verify    sign/s verify/s
01:17 < rxr> dsa  512 bits   0.0025s   0.0031s    392.5    322.2
01:17 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits   0.0084s   0.0103s    119.3     97.5
01:17 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits   0.0289s   0.0363s     34.6     27.6
01:18 < daja77> re
01:20 < rxr> hm - a PowerPC gcc-2.95.3 gzip is faster .-(
01:22 < rxr> bzip2, too ...
01:22 < rxr> damn
01:22 < SMP> =)
01:22 < rxr> my benchmarks get ridiculous results
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03:15 < SMP> hmm
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04:24 < mnemoc> re
04:27 < blokkie> wb
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08:09 < blindy> moin
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08:57 < _Vr_> moOo0oOo0o
08:58 < blindy> a MCD-Cow
08:59 < blindy> gotta get to work
08:59 < blindy> bbl
09:14 < _Vr_> i think project admin can update dev version to 2.1 on freshmeat site
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10:43 < tcr> moin all
10:55 < _Vr_> moin tcr
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11:58 < rxr> re
11:59 < blokkie> wb
12:00  * netrunner @linuxwoche.at
12:13 < jsaw> hi all
12:13 < blindy> hi all
12:13 < jsaw> :)
12:14 < rxr> ok - now I even have this one on my iBook:
12:14 < rxr> g++ (GCC) 3.5.0 20040523 (experimental)
12:15 < blindy> nice
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12:15 < all> hi jsaw, blindy :)
12:15 < blindy> why did I expech that? :)
12:15 < all> :P
12:15 < daja77> rxr: is this a good idea?
12:16 < rxr> not as system compiler
12:16 -!- all is now known as net_at
12:17 < daja77> net_at: how is it over there?
12:17 < net_at> daja77: hm ... not much happening here, will try a presentation now.
12:18 < rxr> net_at: greetins to clifford, if he is around ...
12:18 < net_at> jup
12:18 < daja77> from me too
12:19 < daja77> ah you doin the presentation agian ;)
12:19 < net_at> no, I'll be in the audience :)
12:19 < jsaw> hi net_at 
12:19 < daja77> oh hf
12:19 < daja77> hi jsaw 
12:35 < rxr> ouhm
12:35 < rxr> gcc-3.0.4 builds faster than all the others ...
12:35 < rxr> interesting ...
12:37  * blindy gone
12:37 < _Vr_> where is the iso after building ? :)
12:38 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ISO -cfg cfg-nam
12:38 < rxr> cfg-name even
12:39 < _Vr_> *touss* *touss*
12:39  * _Vr_ is flying in the sky
12:39 < _Vr_> you don't see me
12:39 < _Vr_> :)
12:40 < rxr> hm?
12:40  * _Vr_ don't rtfm at all
12:40 < _Vr_> :/
12:45 < jsaw> hi daja77 
12:47 < rxr> jsaw: hi
12:48 < _Vr_> hum
12:48 < _Vr_> cat: build//isofs.txt: No such file or directory
12:50 < rxr> did you specify a -cfg to ./scripts/config ?
12:51 < rxr> I guess not, so just run
12:51 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ISO
12:51 < rxr> without -cfg argument
12:51 < rxr> I guess you specified a wrong one ..
12:51 < _Vr_> # ./scripts/Create-ISO                        
12:51 < _Vr_> Usage: ./scripts/Create-ISO [ -size MB ] [ -source ] [ -mkdebug ] ISO-Prefix \
12:51 < _Vr_>                             Config [ Config [ .. ] ]
12:51 < _Vr_> E.g.: ./scripts/Create-ISO mycdset install generic
12:51 < _Vr_> hum
12:52 < rxr> ah - yes, this one wants a config
12:53 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ISO myrouter default
12:55 < _Vr_>   [12:54:58 PM] Creating myrouter_cd1.iso ...
12:55 < _Vr_>   [12:54:58 PM] Done. Have fun!
12:55 < _Vr_> thx rxr
12:55 < _Vr_> du -sh myrouter_cd1.iso 
12:55 < _Vr_> 7.4M    myrouter_cd1.iso
12:55 < blokkie> ./Build-Target  on 64  end up  :
12:55 < blokkie> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cceWKZqZ.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
12:55 < blokkie> /tmp/cceWKZqZ.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
12:55 < blokkie> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
12:58  * rxr now running my preleminary benchmark suit with gcc (GCC) 3.5.0 20040523 (experimental)
12:58 < jsaw> rxr: hi
12:59 < netrunner> ugh, 3.5
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13:02  * jsaw now away for holidays, cu all soon
13:04 < netrunner> hm ... gcc34 built biaries run on a gcc32 built system ... is that normal? I thought they'd break compatibility somehow ...
13:05 < netrunner> anybody ever tried to package dsniff? or do we have an alternative?
13:10 < rxr> sure - normally they work
13:10 < rxr> only some rare C++ ABI stuff changed
13:10 < netrunner> ok. another proposition:
13:11 < netrunner> what about mail adress obfuscation in .desc? like sed -e s,@,AT, -e s,.,DOT,  or something
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13:23 < daja77> re
13:32 < blokkie> wb
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13:43 < sabry80> hi to all..nobody knows anything about ps2linux blackrhino?:)
13:44 < daja77> hm?
13:45 < rxr> netrunner: no
13:45 < sabry80> is a linux distro for ps12
13:45 < sabry80> ps2
13:45 < sabry80> by debian
13:45 < sabry80> do you know debian?
13:45 < daja77> you mean playstation 2?
13:45 < rxr> yes - this is why we develop ROCK Linux ...
13:46 < sabry80> i mean playstation2
13:46 < rxr> netrunner: this does make zero sense - it is as easy for spammers to retransform them - they are just inconvenient
13:50 < daja77> sabry80: no we currently do not have a distro for playstation 2, iirc fake tried the mips port on one
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16:24 < rxr> all new compilers are quite bad for gzip ...
16:36 < daja77> .oO (note: compiling on macos sucks)
16:40 < rxr> why ?
16:41 < daja77> strange errors, and missing headers, which you can only get when upgrading to the latest macos release and stuff
16:41 < daja77> I begin to hate it
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16:46 < rxr> various compiler numbers:
16:46 < rxr> build times:
16:46 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-bt2.png
16:46 < rxr> run times:
16:46 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt2.png
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16:47 < rxr> PowerPC G3@800Mhz
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19:14 < netrunner> re
19:14 < daja77> wb netrunner 
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19:29 < bfinch|away> I SERIOUSLY doubt rock linuyx is better than sex....
19:31 < daja77> have you tried both?
19:33 < bfinch|away> HAHA
19:34 < _Vr_> :)
19:35 < _Vr_> how to know the name of the maintener of a package ?
19:35  * netrunner just walked around in vienna all day (which started at about 1pm ;)
19:36 < daja77> mine -p packagename
19:36 < netrunner> _Vr_: mine -p <package>
19:36 < netrunner> damn ;)
19:36 < _Vr_> i'm don't on rock currently
19:36 < daja77> hehe
19:36 < _Vr_> s/don't/not/
19:37 < daja77> cat package/*/packagename/packagename.desc
19:37 < dsoul> _Vr_ http://www.rocklinux.net/packages
19:37 < _Vr_> ok ok
19:37 < _Vr_> Maintainer: Alejandro Mery <amery@geeks.cl>
19:37 < _Vr_> who is it ?
19:37 < daja77> mnemoc
19:37 < _Vr_> mnemoc: ?
19:38 < daja77> please do not paste mail adresses
19:38 < _Vr_> sorry 
19:38 < _Vr_> it is on web site
19:38 < _Vr_> so bot can easily see it so
19:38 < daja77> yes mnemoc, who is currently not here
19:38 < _Vr_> ok
19:39 < _Vr_> i would like to request update
19:39 < _Vr_> of openvpn package
19:39 < daja77> sen him a mail
19:39 < daja77> send
19:40 < _Vr_> ok
19:40 < _Vr_> thx
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19:55 < esden> gday
19:56 < daja77> hi esden 
19:58 < esden> hi daja77 
19:59  * esden is falling asleep
19:59 < daja77> i am sort of tired too
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20:30 < esden> ok ... I go home
20:30 < esden> cu guys
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21:00 < netrunner> sorry btw, I stopped clifford's regressiontester because it has a noisy fan.
21:01 < netrunner> will be back online tomorrow :)
21:09 < daja77> hehe
21:10 < _Vr_> if i mount an iso of rock linux and i chroot into him and i install a package, does it work ?
21:11 < daja77> O_o
21:12 < _Vr_> :)
21:12 < daja77> why chroor into an iso?
21:12 < daja77> chroot
21:12 < _Vr_> to install a package definitely
21:12 < _Vr_> router cd
21:13 < daja77> you don't need chroot for that
21:13 < _Vr_> ?
21:13 < _Vr_> how to do this ?
21:14 < daja77> mine -i -R $rootdir package.gem
21:17 < _Vr_> yes but i'm not on rock linux to do that
21:17 < daja77> you could install mine on teh host system
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21:35 < MadTux> Greetings
21:36 < _Vr_> Hello
--- Log opened Fri May 28 22:01:41 2004
22:01 < daja77> echo reply
22:02 < rxr> ah - ok now irssi logs again
22:04 < netrunner> xchat
22:04 < rxr> xchat what ?
22:04 < rxr> no x no xchat ...
22:05 < netrunner> my gf had my laptop in her hands and wanted to chat ;)
22:06 < rxr> ah - ok - I thought it was an advice to downgrade to xchat ;-)
22:10 < SMP> rxr: Pentium M 1.5 GHz is about 10% faster than my Mobile P4 2.4 GHz for openssl speed rsa dsa
22:12 < rxr> yeah - nice
22:12 < rxr> SMP: did you saw my new graphs @ rocklinux-consulting.de ?
22:12 < blindy> ok, I've done my work for today
22:12 < blindy> good night!
22:12 < rxr> n8 blindy 
22:12 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt3.png
22:12 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-bt3.png
22:12 < rxr> update already in progress
22:13 < rxr> ^- those are for PowerPC G3
22:13 < rxr> x86 will follow
22:15 < rxr> I'm very open for comments
22:15 < SMP> bbl
22:15 < rxr> and I'll open the benchmark when it is more sorted / cleaned up
22:27 < netrunner> arg, already had 2 binaries today that refused to work with glibc <2.3.4 :/
22:28  * netrunner off for today ... n8
22:43 < rxr> netrunner: are you at home or in vienna ?
22:50 < _Vr_> how to mount initrd.img file ?
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22:57 < bfinch_> um.....i am reading the rock handbook and a lot of information comparing rock to "other" distros is overstated...
22:57 < bfinch_> is the author around right now ?
22:58 < rxr> maybe ...
22:58 < daja77> *gg*
22:58 < rxr> but the handbook does not compare with other distributions very often
22:58 < rxr> I think there is only one place
22:59 < rxr> and a two tiny notes during the network config
22:59 < bfinch_> well actually several places in the first third
22:59 < _Vr_> rxr: you know how to ?
23:00 < _Vr_> mount
23:00 < _Vr_> ....
23:00 < bfinch_> by using the "other" nome...
23:00 < LowLander> how can i disable packages ?
23:00 < rxr> LowLander: e.g. in the ./scripts/config
23:00 < rxr> LowLander: or when you create a target in the target config.in
23:00 < rxr> _Vr_: mount what where ?
23:01 < LowLander> when i select for example KDE-Package Options , there is nothing mouch to select or deselect
23:01 < bfinch_> mount /jo/mama /mnt/hd/jo/mama
23:01 < _Vr_> rxr: how to mount initrd.img file ?
23:01 < LowLander> so no posibility to tune package selection from the TUI ?
23:01 < rxr> nope this is globally done
23:01 < rxr> sure selection
23:01 < rxr> use select "Custom package slections"
23:01 < rxr> and then enter the rules ...
23:01 < bfinch_> rxr: so are u the author of the handbook ?
23:02 < rxr> bfinch_: yes - mostly
23:02 < bfinch_> we should talk privately then....can we do that here on irc ?
23:02 < LowLander> rxr and than ?
23:02 < rxr> when you do not want kde:
23:02 < rxr> O kde*
23:02 < rxr> I think
23:03 < rxr> (have not done this for some days ...
23:03 < rxr> _Vr_: uncompress it with gzip
23:03 < rxr> _Vr_: and then loopback mount it (IIRC)
23:03 < LowLander> ok thats not very friendly ;-)
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23:03 < _Vr_> hum it is gunzipped ?
23:03 < _Vr_> ok
23:03 < _Vr_> i begin to understand
23:04 < nzg> moin
23:04 < LowLander> btw why is there a link back to the parent menu in every menu
23:04 < LowLander> ?
23:05 < LowLander> like in Edit package selection rules the first item is : Edit package selection rules 
23:05 < LowLander> and that will jump back to the main menu
23:08 < rxr> ohm - that is a problem with the current implementation
23:09 < rxr> when you hit enter on entiers that are just informational you will go back ...
23:09 < LowLander> ah
23:10 < LowLander> than the ===> is a bit confusing
23:10 < LowLander> since it looks liek the arrow in the main menu
23:10 < LowLander> and there it is a menu entry
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