--- Log opened Mon May 31 00:00:20 2004
00:17 < rxr> SMP: so -ipo_obj might help 
00:17 < rxr> ? damn
00:18 < SMP> -ip
00:18 < SMP> but I suspect that's not going to be very efficient
00:19 < SMP> with lots of scattered source files at least
00:20 < rxr> yeah - with "lots of scattered source files" is the standard compile process of most packages ...
00:20  * rxr waiting for openssl results ...
00:21 < SMP> try something that exercises floating-point math ...
00:21 < SMP> or, ideally, that can be vectorized ;->
00:22 < rxr> SMP: do you know packages that contains vectorizable code?
00:22 < rxr> libmad? ogg-vorbis?
00:22 < rxr> mplayer at least should?
00:22 < SMP> no idea
00:23 < rxr> ouhm
00:23 < SMP> did I ever show my cross-compiler-cross-platform vector-fp bench?
00:24 < SMP> it's really just a stupid little piece of code - but depending on the compiler it can be dog slow (sparc-gcc) or really fast (icc)
00:26 < rxr> openssl seem to get miscompiled by icc
00:26 < rxr> fast crypt test
00:26 < rxr> make[1]: *** [test_des] Error 1
00:26 < SMP> huh
00:33 < rxr> hm - quite many errors ...
00:41 < rxr> hm - speed does "s.th."
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00:42  * rxr checking if gnupg procudes the same junk
00:42 < rxr> btw, is icc built using gcc2 ?
00:42 < SMP> eh?
00:42 < rxr> objdump has tiny indications of this
00:45 < SMP> I guess the linker puts it in
00:45 < SMP> hmm, no
00:46 < SMP> well, my icc-built objects have these hints, too, soo ...
00:47 < rxr> a ICC'ed gnupg passes all checks
00:47 < rxr> there must be s.th. openssl specific that hardly breaks it ...
00:47 < rxr> SMP: have you ever tried openssl w/ icc ?
00:49 < SMP> nope
00:49 < rxr> and I have not even used -ipo
00:50 < rxr> just plain -O2
00:51 < rxr> hm - seems to be alignment issues
00:54 < rxr> testing with -noalign ...
00:56 < rxr> hm - fails the same way
00:56 < rxr> -O0
00:58 < rxr> oh - -O0 works ;-)
00:59 < rxr> passes all test ...
00:59 < rxr> hm
00:59 < rxr> what do I do know? Report it to Intel?
01:00 < daja77> yeah in a tar.gz wrapped rpm file
01:00 < rxr> openssl-0.9.7d miscompiled by ICC 
01:01 < rxr> 8.0.055 when installed on the unsupported platform ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/03/29)
01:01 < rxr> run on Athlon-XP-2500
01:01 < rxr> hum
01:01 < rxr> guess nobody cares
01:01  * daja77 off to bed now
01:01 < rxr> cu daja77 
01:02 < SMP> what's the fuss about rpms in a tar.gz? extract the tar, rpm2cpio | cpio -i the rpms, done.
01:03 < daja77> it is just stupid
01:03 < rxr> SMP: that they could offer them in single junks ...
01:03 < SMP> nobody needs them that way
01:04 < rxr> I only need on of the 6 RPMs
01:04 < rxr> one even
01:04 < rxr> SMP: btw, -O2 already incldue -ip
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01:09 < demian> hi
01:12 < rxr> SMP: is there no way to disable single optimizations? So I could find the optimization method that breaks openssl ?
01:14 < SMP> I'm not aware of a way
01:16 < rxr> hm - that is bad
01:16 < rxr> so I either switch to openssl speed as test (and ignore the wrong results)
01:16 < rxr> or I have no icc numbers ...
01:21 < rxr> ok - at least libmad seems to generate results, too
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01:36 < rxr> icc looses badly on gnupg (and libmad)
01:38 < rxr> ah - no bug in my script
01:40  * rxr finally needs to add ogg-vorbis to the tests - and a C++ app
01:40 < rxr> SMP: do you have other preferred benchmark apps? Maybe even s.th. in min in C++ that is useful for benchmarks ?
01:40 < rxr> (povray is plain C, isn't it?
01:40 < rxr> )
01:44 < rxr> hm- icc clearly is no wonder tool to speed up anything
01:44 < rxr> gcc seems to be much better e.g. at gnupg
01:44 < fake> grr...
01:44  * fake cleaning up laptop hd for 4 hours, trying to find out what uses so much disk space
01:44 < fake> now i notice 10GB unallocated disk space ...
01:48 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc.png
01:48 < rxr> ^- preleminary icc results
01:48 < rxr> openssl defect
01:49 < rxr> hm - for gnupg, where gcc is far better in optimizing, the gcc's also spend far more time on the files
01:50  * rxr needs more tests - and larget data sets ...
01:53 < _Vr_> why router target does not accept adding other package from Config script ?
01:55 < rxr> _Vr_: AFAIR it does - it just does not add them into the image I think ...
01:56 < _Vr_> AFAIR ?
01:57 < SMP> rxr: no, I never really tried benchmarking any apps
01:58 < _Vr_> rxr: it does not download it and so does not compil so it does not include it in the iso
01:58 < _Vr_> ://
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01:59 < esden> hi all
01:59 < _Vr_> hi esden 
01:59 < esden> guys I found soumething!
01:59 < _Vr_> what ?
02:00 < rxr> SMP: ok - thanks anyway
02:00 < esden> clifford is on one photo's of thumb wrestling ... 
02:00 < esden> one moment ... I send you the link
02:00 < rxr> (the 2.6 kernel also seems to be quite reluctant to be compiled w/ icc)
02:00 < esden> the main site : http://www.monochrom.at/daumen/index-eng.htm
02:01 < esden> the image: http://www.monochrom.at/daumen/IMG_6762.jpg
02:01 < esden> cool
02:01 < esden> the internet is so small!@
02:01 < rxr> ah rafaelt I think
02:02 < esden> ?
02:02 < rxr> the other person on the photo
02:02 < rxr> IIR the name correctly
02:02 < rxr> or ph
02:02 < rxr> ah anyway
02:02 < rxr> damn icc
02:05 < fake> when is linuxtag?
02:07 < rxr> end of june
02:07 < fake> hrmpf...
02:07 < rxr> linux26 w/ icc is too ugly for me
02:07 < rxr> I do not try this further
02:07 < rxr> fake: ?
02:08 < fake> end of june is bad
02:08 < fake> 23 - 26
02:08 < fake> that's ok
02:08 < esden> rxr: ok ... good to know
02:08 < esden> ok ... now I am off for bed/home ... cu guys
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02:09 < fake> cu esden!
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02:16 < rxr> SMP: icc does vectorize stuff in gzip
02:17 < _Vr_> rxr: really no doc for create a target ?
02:18 < rxr> _Vr_: no sorry not yet
02:18 < rxr> _Vr_: what exactly do you want to know?
02:19 < rxr> _Vr_: just browse thru the existing targets
02:19 < rxr> and you should get the idea how it woks
02:19 < _Vr_> ok
02:19 < _Vr_> i want to properly add openvpn in router target
02:20 < _Vr_> with custom thing after
02:21 < rxr> have you finally added both, the lzo and openvpn to the build.sh line where iptables and iproute2 get embedded into the imagee ?
02:21 < _Vr_> no in images at all
02:22 < _Vr_> build but no insert in
02:23 < rxr> images?
02:23 < _Vr_> iso
02:23 < _Vr_> :/
02:24 < rxr> iso?
02:24 < _Vr_> not insert in .iso file
02:24 < rxr> yes, sure
02:24 < rxr> but have you modified line 33 of target/router/build.sh
02:24 < rxr> ?
02:24 < rxr> from:
02:24 < rxr> for x in iproute2 iptables
02:24 < rxr> do
02:24 < rxr> to:
02:25 < rxr> for x in iproute2 iptables lzo openvpn
02:25 < rxr> do
02:25 < rxr> or so
02:25 < rxr> whatever this lzo thing was named
02:25 < _Vr_> hum
02:26  * _Vr_ recheck all necessary script
02:27 < _Vr_> yes
02:27 < _Vr_> i've done this yesterday
02:27 < _Vr_> no change 
02:29 < _Vr_> why here and not here "for x in bash"
02:29 < _Vr_> ?
02:33 < _Vr_> i retry building i've added pkgconfig after talking to mnemoc 
02:34 < _Vr_> dependance of my added package is file and indent
02:35 < _Vr_> i try in 2.1_DEV
02:40 < rxr> SMP: icc is doing crazzy things:
02:40 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc-xK.png
02:40 < rxr> it clearly needs some tuning from the Intel people
02:40 < rxr> for some load charakteristics
02:41 < rxr> it does not liek gnupg - and -xK does make it worse!
02:41 < rxr> however it finds quite a look in gzip to vectorize ...
02:42 < rxr> too bad it miscompiler opensll ...
02:42 < rxr> openssl even
02:42 < rxr> seems I need to go to bed
02:45 < _Vr_> :)
02:45 < rxr> _Vr_: depends what you need from the package - just one binary or the whole package
02:46 < _Vr_> whole package include documentation and what other ?
02:48 < rxr> _Vr_: I'm unsure if it includes docu - or if such stuff is stripped in the router thing anyway
02:48 < rxr> _Vr_: i can take a look the next days
02:48 < rxr> but first I need to finish commercial article work
02:48 < _Vr_> finish finish
02:48 < _Vr_> :)
02:49 < _Vr_> i'm not hurry
02:49 < _Vr_> i've a coyote linux that do essential job for the moment
02:56 < rxr> hm - with -xK openssl make test goes further - but does not finish neither
02:56 < rxr> strange compiler - I would not feed it with vital source
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03:03 < nzg> moin
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03:24 < rxr> Wow - the Intel ICC User's Guide lists exactly "two" (2!) options
03:24 < rxr> for "Restricting Optimizations" ...
03:30 < rxr> hm - maybe OPENSSL_NO_ASM ...
03:30 < rxr> and no google reference
03:31 < rxr> although some FreeBSD people discuss whether the ICC generates code not correctly executed on Athlons ...
03:32 < rxr> hm - no fails the same way
03:33 < rxr> too bad I only have one usable x86 system
03:33 < rxr> hm - I could thrwo the binary into bochs on my iBook ...
03:33 < rxr> or VirtualPC on MacOSX ...
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03:51 < _Vr_> trying to build with gcc 3.2.3
03:51 < _Vr_> ...
03:51 < _Vr_> hope it work
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04:53 < mnemoc> rehi
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10:09 < netrunner> moin
10:10 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
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11:22 < _Vr_> hi *
11:22 < daja77> hi _Vr_ 
11:22 < _Vr_> :)
11:22 < netrunner> hi vr, daja77, dsoul
11:22 < _Vr_> :)
11:22 < daja77> hi netrunner 
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11:27  * netrunner plans to supply a minimal_uml to users who want to build rock ...
11:27 < netrunner> anybody here has experience with paypal?
11:27 < LowLander> nope
11:27 < _Vr_> nope
11:28 < LowLander> morning btw
11:28 < _Vr_> rxr i think
11:28  * daja77 used paypal
11:29 < netrunner> daja77: do they charge much? do they use an intermediate konto?
11:29 < daja77> first dunno just paid someone, 2nd yes
11:30 < netrunner> hm... can you easily put and get money to/from there?
11:30 < daja77> via visa/mastercard iirc
11:30 < netrunner> I think I'll just try. costs nothing if I read correctly
11:32 < LowLander> if something costs nothing , you better read it again :-)
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11:41 < netrunner> funny, one song from 2 interprets at the same time in the charts, nobody knows the difference, everybody mixes them up.
11:42 < netrunner> truth is that the first copied from the second. but the thieves are in the charts.
11:43 < blindy> moin
11:44 < _Vr_> hi blindy 
12:25 < rxr> rehi
12:28 < _Vr_> hi rxr
12:29 < luckz> netrunner, so what?
12:29 < luckz> i know people who copied songs before they even came out
12:29 < luckz> +of
12:35 < netrunner> luckz: the funny thing is they are both played. and nobody realises it.
12:36 < luckz> and those songs would be?
12:38 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc-xK2.png
12:38 < rxr> ^- openssl is just proof of concept - the results are incorrect due to miscompiliation of icc ...
12:38 < luckz> rxr, am i supposed to understand that?
12:40 < rxr> luckz: the graph?
12:40 < luckz> yessss
12:40 < rxr> seems so
12:41 < rxr> what is to difficult w/ the graph? Runtime of several test-benchmarks with several compilers
12:44 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-g3-2.png
12:44 < rxr> ^- and this is the new one for g3
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13:50 < luckz> uh?
13:50 < luckz> server died?
13:58 < daja77> 13:57 < iceblox_> .oO(One day I will find this peer guy and reset HIS connection)
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15:11 < netrunner> what means svn: Out of date: '/WORK' in transaction '5x' ?
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15:39 < netrunner> hm, svn revert . helped, but what was it ...
15:40 < rxr> svn up
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15:55  * netrunner now has a working scripts/Create-UMLRootfs
15:59 < _Vr_> :)
16:05 < netrunner> vr: you smoke too much
16:09 < rxr> netrunner: ?
16:11 < netrunner> he smiles :)
16:16 < rxr> we all smile often ...
16:16 < _Vr_> :)
16:16 < _Vr_> lol
16:16  * _Vr_ like smiling
16:16 < _Vr_> :)
16:16 < rxr> we would be some kind of M$ morons if we would not do ;-)
16:16 < _Vr_> lol
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16:51 < rxr> SMP: icc also miscompiles Botan
16:51 < rxr> http://botan.randombit.net/
16:52 < rxr> my preleminary conclusion: ICC is more instable than a random GCC CVS snapshot
16:52 < rxr> I would not recommend it for any serious use.
16:52 < LowLander> Instable C Compiler ?
16:53 < rxr> even gcc-3.5-2004-05-xx is more usable
16:53 < rxr> LowLander: yeah - seems so
16:53 < LowLander> afternoon, btw
16:53 < rxr> SMP: and although it vectorizes parts of GSMP - there also Verify tests fail
16:54 < rxr> SMP: and GCC-3.2.3 is faster for GSMP in many places, and ICC has rather random performance charakteristics on GSMP - and GSMP is modern C++ code without any G++ assumptions ...
16:54  * rxr off for a while ...
16:55 < rxr> ah - and btw, for Botan I even get:
16:55 < rxr> Testing RW/EMSA2(SHA-1): ..Floating point exception (core dumped)
16:55 < rxr> where the same (C++) code compiles fine using varous GCC on x86 and PowerPC ...
16:55 < rxr> so not the typical dirty C hacking code ...
16:56  * rxr now really off
17:02  * netrunner sent the create-umlrootfs, if anybody wants to take a look
17:02 < netrunner> bbl
17:05 < rxr> cu netrunner - me back in some hours, too
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21:24 < rxr> re
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21:42 < netrunner> re
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21:49 < _Vr_> re
21:51 < rxr> hi
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23:21 < netrunner> hm ... just learned that the uml game does not work with the bootdisk target .)
23:24 < _Vr_> hum
23:24 < _Vr_> what is uml ?
23:24 < _Vr_> :)
23:24 < rxr> user-mode linux
23:25 < _Vr_> hum ok
23:25 < _Vr_> i see
23:26 < rxr> (at least in this case - useless (err unified or so) modelling language) in others
23:27 < mistik1> netrunner: you created a uml target?
23:28 < netrunner> mistik1: no, I appended uml_utilities with an option to patch the kernel
23:28 < mistik1> pretty slick
23:28 < netrunner> mistik1: and I created a scripts/Create-UMLRootfs to create a rootfs from such a build
23:28 < netrunner> why?
23:29 < mistik1> slick because uml rocks
23:30 < netrunner> oh, i thought you meant sick
23:31 < dsoul> what about lvm?
23:31  * netrunner wants to provide users that want to build rock on weird hardware with an UML they can run on their system and build uml within
23:44 < esden> hmm ... thunderbird seems to be nice ... but it also seems to have some bugs ... that is sad
23:45 < rxr> esden: it is alpha or beta - a preview ...
23:46 < esden> ahh yes right
23:46 < esden> it is
23:47 < esden> but is is usable already ... (it has not eaten my mails yet ;)
23:56 < netrunner> n8
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