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01:34 < esden|zZz> finally home ... *sigh*
01:34 < mnemoc> hi esden|zZz 
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02:51  * rxr off - cu
02:52 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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04:30 < _MadTux> hello.
05:01 < mnemoc> hullo
05:06 < _MadTux> mnemoc, :)
05:23 < mnemoc> underscoreMadTux!
05:25 < _MadTux> shit I'm tired..
05:26 < _MadTux> For the first time ever I'm feeling affected pathetic things of mortals..
05:27 < _MadTux> this is not a good sign.. i should spend even more time coding.. and less chatting.
05:27 < mnemoc> turn on tv and watch miss universe ... another thing of mortals
05:28 < _MadTux> tv? wtf is that?
05:29 < mnemoc> a device my daughter use to watch barney :\
05:30 < _MadTux> can't she just look at u directly in stead of using a device?
05:33 < mnemoc> uhm
05:33 < mnemoc> afaik barney is living at .cr
05:35 < _MadTux> u damn bastard.. u moved to .cr and didn't tell me?
05:35 < mnemoc> :p
05:37 < _MadTux> how are u my friend?
05:39 < mnemoc> tired too :)
05:39 < mnemoc> and you?
05:39 < _MadTux> VERY tired too
05:41 < mnemoc> loop
05:41 < _MadTux> w00t?
05:46 < mnemoc> :)
05:50 < _MadTux> ok i go to my sweet bed
05:50 < _MadTux> good night all.
05:50 < mnemoc> good night underscore
05:51 < _MadTux> sleep well barney :)
05:51  * _MadTux .oO(Rayos la venganza es dulce :)
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08:45 < Vroum> hi *
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09:07 < spaci76> moin
09:09 < Vroum> moin spaci76 
09:09 < Vroum> :)
09:37 < spaci76> hi
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10:09 < netrunner> muahaha http://www.funroll-loops.org/
10:12 < Vroum> :)
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10:28 < daja77> *rofl*
10:46 < rxr> re
10:47 < daja77> re rxr 
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11:03 < rxr> http://www.funroll-loops.org/
11:03 < daja77> 10:09 < netrunner> muahaha http://www.funroll-loops.org/
11:03 < daja77> ^^
11:03 < daja77> <- can't stop laughing
11:03 < rxr> ah - /me neither
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11:10 < rxr> I also like this one:
11:10 < rxr> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040530
11:11 < daja77> hehe
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11:20 < rxr> ouhm - I'm off - cu later
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13:18 < blindy> netrunne1: heh, now that's a _nice_ website
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13:52 < esden> hi ho
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13:56 < rxr> hiho esden|bbl 
14:08 < blindy> moin esden, rxr
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16:01 < rolla> re
16:14  * rxr reading my freeX article in the final form
16:15 < rxr> 3 pages
16:18 < rxr> cool
16:35 < daja77> cool
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16:36 < blindy> ok, I'm armed for tomorrow (trying to make my boss understand why SuSE is a bad choice for our internal Server)
16:37 < daja77> rxr: that page that was linked from that gentoo bashing site is even more insightful
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16:54 < rxr> daja77: hm-  have not seen a link - maybe you can post it here?
16:55 < daja77> http://greenfly.org/mes.html
17:00 < rxr> hm
17:00 < daja77> it will be fun asking all the gentoo fanatics if they have used mdk before
17:05 < daja77> and it seems that the one i know was a mdk user ;-)
17:06 < dsoul> i think they used debian :)
17:06 < daja77> no debian users usually stick to that because it is the greatest, most free and whatever distro
17:07  * blindy just added drock 2.0.1 to ROCK Sonar
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17:25 < rxr> hi murl 
17:34 < rxr> hm - gcc-3.0.4 installes it's c++ headers to a wrong location - strange ...
17:35 < rxr> hmhm - but not on PowerPC - stange world
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18:55 < rxr> hm - and 3.0.4 installs it' lib*c++* wrong, too
18:57 < daja77> O_o
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19:35 < esden> hi ho
19:35 < daja77> hi esden 
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20:00 < Vroum> hi all
20:00 < Vroum> is Miguel A. Bolanos here ?
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20:06 < rxr> Vroum: sometimes
20:06 < Vroum> what pseudo ?
20:06 < Vroum> :)
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20:18 < blindy> Vroum: Madtux
20:19 < Vroum> ok thx
20:29 < Vroum> hum
20:29 < Vroum> what is deifference beetween this 2 lines ?
20:29 < Vroum> zsh /         { s/^X /O /p; d; }
20:29 < Vroum> misc /        { p; d; };
20:30 < Vroum> what is ^X
20:30 < Vroum> no explain found
20:30 < esden> X is install O is not install
20:31 < esden> s/^X /O / replaces the first occurance of X in a line ... so it is stwitching from install that packet to do not install it ...
20:32 < esden> the explanation is in Config when you make custom package selection
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20:34 < Vroum> hum
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20:35 < Vroum> hum ok
20:35 < Vroum> thx esden 
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20:41 < Vroum> # ./scripts/Cleanup -full
20:41 < Vroum> removing src ..
20:41 < Vroum> WARNING: Found package/./base/dietlibc/buff_hotfix.patch-x
20:42 < Vroum> hum ??
20:42 < Vroum> what's that ?
20:42 < daja77> just ignore
20:42 < Vroum> ok
20:50 < Vroum> is there a possibility to chroot in a rocklinux system to build the system
20:50 < daja77> ou don't have to
20:50 < daja77> +y
20:51 < Vroum> hum
20:51 < Vroum> i must
20:51 < Vroum> :)
20:51 < daja77> why
20:51 < Vroum> because debian sux to build rocklinux
20:52 < daja77> so you have an installed rocklinux to chroot in?
20:52 < daja77> or do you have just the src
20:53 < Vroum> just src at the moment
20:54 < Vroum> where can i download the system ?
20:54 < daja77> you'd need a complete rock to do that
20:54 < daja77> you could download iso images and install from them
20:54 < Vroum> i could not install
20:55 < daja77> why
20:55 < Vroum> because i want stay my debian system on it
20:55 < Vroum> because it is not my box
20:55 < Vroum> because .......
20:56 < daja77> >_<
20:56 < Vroum> yes i know
20:57 < daja77> do you have a free part for rock?
20:57 < Vroum> a free part ?
20:58 < daja77> partition
20:58 < Vroum> hum
20:58 < Vroum> space yes but no partitions
20:58 < Vroum> and i can't reboot this box
20:59 < daja77> not rebooting?
21:00 < daja77> is it a server or what?
21:00 < Vroum> yes
21:00 < Vroum> :)
21:01 < rxr> hm - go a new premier account @intel - let's see if it will work this time ...
21:01 < daja77> you could install mine on this, and then install all gems to the directory which should be the rock root by installing all gems from cd with mine -R $other_root -i *gem
21:02 < daja77> and after you did that from alle the cds, you could chroot into that
21:02 < daja77> perhaps copying src + download into it before
21:02 < Vroum> ouch
21:03 < daja77> hey don't say ouch, you created the restrictions
21:03 < Vroum> yes i know
21:03 < Vroum> :)
21:04 < daja77> that's the only way i see atm
21:04 < Vroum> ok
21:04 < Vroum> thx at all
21:04 < daja77> np :)
21:04 < daja77> hth
21:04 < daja77> rxr: trying icc again?
21:10 < rxr> no ...
21:10 < rxr> does still nor work
21:10 < rxr> yes - I still benchmark ICC for an article - but I want to discuss the code miscompilations w/ Intel before it goes into print ...
21:11 < daja77> ah do they talk to you?
21:11 < rxr> but if the developer.support@intel.com is a inf. loop ...
21:11 < daja77> ic
21:11 < rxr> the first tier support monkey still do not get it ...
21:12 < daja77> nice ...
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21:45 < Vroum> is libc6 2.3.2 is good ?
21:45 < daja77> shoudl be ok
21:46 < Vroum> still don't understand what it doesn't work on my debian :/
21:46 < Vroum> dl_open_worker: Assertion `new->l_searchlist.r_list[i]->l_type == lt_loaded' failed.
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21:48 < Vroum> i use gcc 3.2.3
21:48 < daja77> you have installed rock and chrooted?
21:48 < Vroum> no
21:49 < Vroum> basic test again
21:49 < daja77> ah k.
21:49 < Vroum> with gcc 3.2.3
21:49 < Vroum> instead of 3.3.3
21:49 < Vroum> .2
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22:03 < blokkie> hello
22:07 < Vroum> lo blokkie 
22:07 < daja77> hi blokkie 
22:08 < blokkie> you have some time to help me a bit ?
22:09 < blokkie> # ./Build-Target
22:09 < blokkie> <flood>
22:09 < blokkie> Building tools in build/.../tools.cross:
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/wrapper/strip_wrapper.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/wrapper/install_wrapper.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/bin/getdu.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/bin/getfiles.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/bin/fl_wrparse.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/bin/fl_stparse.
22:09 < blokkie> -> Building tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so.
22:09 < blokkie> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cceKGnZw.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
22:09 < blokkie> /tmp/cceKGnZw.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
22:09 < blokkie> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:09 < blokkie> </flood>
22:11 < Vroum> beautiful
22:15 < rxr> blokkie: build host is?
22:15 < rxr> blokkie: what do you try to build ?
22:18 < blokkie> build for amd_64 
22:18 < daja77> crossbuild or native?
22:18 < blokkie> I want native
22:18 < blokkie> I've selected that in ./Config
22:19 < tcr> Hmm, in my version of Build-Tools -fPIC isn't passed to gcc when building the flwrapper
22:19 < blokkie> I have source --> rock-src-2.0.1
22:19 < tcr> I'm not quite sure whether or not it's really implied with -static (manpage isn't all that explanatory imho)
22:22 < netrunner> blokkie: what is your build system? I bet it is 32bit, no?
22:24 < blokkie> nope
22:24 < rxr> blokkie: your build system is 64bit ?
22:24 < blokkie> yes dear
22:24 < blokkie> [root@localhost rock-src-2.0.1]# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model
22:24 < blokkie> model           : 4
22:24 < blokkie> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
22:25 < rxr> blokkie: I bet the compiler is configured to emmit 32bit code by default - this is incompatible with the way the wrapper stuff is build
22:25 < rxr> your compiler must emiit 64bit code by default ...
22:25 < blokkie> right,  that's new
22:25 < blokkie> how do I set this up ?
22:31 < blokkie> gcc --target-help  ?? 
22:32 < blokkie> there I can define elf 
22:34 < rxr> you need to edit the spec file - if you want to have this system wide
22:35 < blokkie> and rebuild the RPM , or is this another spec file you mean ?
22:35 < rxr> another
22:35 < rxr> the gc spec file
22:35 < rxr> I guess -m64 is neded
22:36 < rxr> blokkie: have you basic programming skills ?
22:36 < blokkie> yes
22:37 < tcr> Eh, just a question: is it technically feasible to use 32bit libraries in 64bit programs? I wouldn't say so, but don't know what the guys thought up
22:38 < rxr> tcr: theoretically it is possible - but not with the gnu toolcahin IIRC ...
22:38 < rxr> blokkie: what does this say:
22:38 < rxr> file /lib/libc-?.?.?.so
22:39  * rxr shortly away ...
22:40 < blokkie> # ls -al /lib/libc-*
22:40 < blokkie> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1443920 May 11 15:20 /lib/libc-2.3.3.so
22:40 < rxr> not ls
22:40 < rxr> _file_ !
22:40 < mnemoc> :p
22:40 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:40 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:41 < blokkie> # file /lib/libc-*
22:41 < blokkie> /lib/libc-2.3.3.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
22:41 < rxr> ok - mandrake sucks majorly ...
22:41 < rxr> do you have /lib64 ?
22:41 < blokkie> this is fedora core 2 for amd_64 
22:42 < blokkie> yes , I have /lib64
22:42 < rxr> ok - then this one sucks ...
22:42 < blokkie> # file /lib64/libc-*
22:42 < rxr> ah!
22:42 < blokkie>  /lib64/libc-2.3.3.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
22:46 < rxr> blokkie: take your fav. editor and open scripts/Build-Tools
22:46 < rxr> arround line 240:
22:46 < rxr> $BUILDCC -Wall -O2 -ldl -shared misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c \
22:46 < rxr> play with the line until it builds
22:46 < rxr> try -m64
22:47 < rxr> or -L/lib
22:47 < blokkie> ok
22:47 < rxr> duno - the compiler does not react as I would expect it to
22:52 < tcr> Yeah, fedora uses /usr/lib for 32bit stuff and /usr/lib64 for 64 bit stuff, so you have to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib64
22:53 < blokkie> rxr,  I've just added  -fPIC  and it worked
22:53 < rxr> hm
22:53 < blokkie> as the error suggested
22:53 < rxr> tcr: nah
22:54 < rxr> blokkie: ok - please report further build success or problems ;-)
22:55 < blokkie> atm I'm doing  ./Download -repository base
22:55 < blokkie> Coz all the rest fails when I do ./Build-Target
22:55 < blokkie> rxr, when I've fixed my routing here .. you'll get login with ssh
22:57 < blokkie> my knees are getting hot, this lappy on my lap downing and compiling ;)
22:57 < tcr> rxr: Hm? If gcc's 64 per default, standard library dir contains 32bit libs and many pkgs rely on this [dir], I pretty much think that the library path has to be adapted to the proper path. Not?
22:58 < tcr> Didn't follow the whole issue though :)
22:58 < rxr> no
22:58 < rxr> blokkie: a amd64 laptop ?
22:58 < blokkie> the fedora devlers say that by default it try's 64bit compiling, and uses  the 32libs for backup
22:58 < blokkie> yes , AMD64 laptop
22:58 < blokkie> acer aspire 1500 
22:59 < blokkie> cheap thing realy
22:59 < blokkie> 1500 $
22:59 < blokkie> dvd-rw included .. wireless G 
22:59 < blokkie> ati 9600 64mb grafics , 15" tft
22:59 < tcr> rxr: So what's wrong?
23:06 < blokkie> still downing base ... pom pom pom
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23:18 < blokkie> rxr,   new error  from ./Build-Target 
23:18 < blokkie> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
23:18 < blokkie> See `config.log' for more details.
23:18 < blokkie> == 23:17:03 =[1]=> Building base/findutils [4.1.20 2.0.2].
23:19 < daja77> hm found sth in config.log?
23:19 < mnemoc> www.fedora.org <-- is that usual?
23:21 < Freak> mnemoc: haha ;)
23:21 < rxr> http://fedora.redhat.com/
23:21 < daja77> don't think so, but the fedora hp was www.fedora.us anyway
23:21 < daja77> that's the new one yes
23:21 < blokkie> atm compiling kernel 2.4.X
23:22 < mnemoc> ic
23:23 < blokkie> yeah , but I had to add unofficial repo's to apt
23:23 < blokkie> not enough devel tools in the official repo'sz
23:23 < daja77> what is in config.log?
23:24 < blokkie> of findutils ?
23:24 < daja77> yes
23:25 < blokkie> I rm'ed  src.*  coz it's filling up my HD , I've reran ./Config and selected to clean up source when something fails. Then I've restarted ./Build-Target , so I can't find out anymore
23:25 < daja77> ic
23:26 < blokkie> it's started to compile 2.4.X  .. already at make .. so it's just a matter of time to encounter findutils 
23:31 < daja77> n8
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23:31 < blokkie> sleep well daja77
23:39 < jeru> hi, today I received the account for my new "root server". but I want to kick debian from the system. Does anybody have experience replacing the preinstalled debian with rocklinux?
23:41 < Vroum> what hardware ?
23:41 < jeru> athlon xp, 1gb ram, 160gb disk
23:43 < jeru> it has just 2 partitions on it, 1gb swap and one big root fs
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23:52 < jeru> vroum: do have experience replacing the distro on a remote server?
23:53 < Vroum> not on a remote
23:53 < jeru> hmmm
23:54 < mistik1> I'm doing that as we speek :)
23:55 < jeru> i think i can turn off swap and format it with ext3 and installing a minimal rocklinux on it
23:55 < mistik1> donno how I would with rock though
23:55 < jeru> as fallback 
23:56 < mistik1> I had them stick in a new hdd then partitioned that and did the install with a bunch of chroot and mounts
23:56 < jeru> ok.
23:57 < mistik1> If you need to build packages or such remember to mount /proc inside your chroot 
23:57  * mistik1 tip of the day
23:57 < jeru> thanx 
23:57 < jeru> :)
23:58 < mistik1> welp the one i'm doing here is ready for reboot
23:58 < jeru> good luck
23:58 < mistik1> thanks
23:58 < mistik1> I'll wait for someone to be sitting at the console just for failsafe
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