--- Log opened Thu Jun 03 00:00:08 2004
00:00 < jeru> nice support
00:00 < jeru> what isp do you have?
00:15 < blokkie> hi mistik1 
00:16 < blokkie> seems ages 
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00:17 < mistik1> hey blokkie 
00:17 < blokkie> jeru,  isnt there a debian or freebsd script that can do all that all at once ?
00:17 < blokkie> iirc I read somthing about these scripts on /.
00:18 < Vroum> build on debian isn't good idea
00:18 < jeru> sorry, what scripts do you mean?
00:22 < jeru> i found some installation hints for a gentoo installation in a user forum of my isp 
00:23 < mistik1> jeru: I imagine its a rock install you're trying to do?
00:23 < jeru> of course ;)
00:23 < mistik1> ;)
00:24 < jeru> i migrating 
00:24 < mistik1> ahh
00:24 < mistik1> Well I just landed a sweet contract so I can get my dual done so I can finally play more with rock
00:24 < jeru> and don't like gentoo anymore
00:25 < mistik1> The one i'm doing now is mandrake to gentoo
00:25 < jeru> ok
00:25 < mistik1> the biggest part is the management software for thier hosting
00:25 < mistik1> ISP management stuff
00:26 < mistik1> migrating that is the hardest
00:26 < mistik1> perl code with LDAP backend
00:26 < jeru> well, but i hav to do
00:27 < jeru> what management system do you mean exactly
00:28 < mistik1> the opensource ISPMan
00:28 < jeru> ahh ok ...!!!
00:28 < jeru> yep. that's nice
00:28 < mistik1> yea, It works pretty well
00:28 < jeru> and you want to use gentoo on your servers?
00:29 < mistik1> yes
00:29 < jeru> why not rocklinux?
00:29 < mistik1> I do not have a machine to do a rock build on right now
00:30 < mistik1> and neither they nor I can stand this mandrake crap anymore
00:30 < jeru> I understand
00:30 < jeru> but i've never touched mandrake
00:30 < mistik1> most the other servers there run slackware now
00:31 < mistik1> I may be biased but as a server DONT!!
00:32 < mistik1> Leave that distro for the newbs
00:32 < jeru> yepp ;)
00:33 < mistik1> I have one mail server here locally still running mdk but the only reason I have not moved it yet is because It only runs qmail and friends and use nothing of the distro 
00:33 < mistik1> everything running on it I compiled by hand
00:33 < jeru> sjb style ;)
00:33 < jeru> i mean djb
00:34 < mistik1> yessir
00:34 < jeru> yeah qmail is great
00:34 < mistik1> I swear by qmail
00:34 < jeru> but the company i work thinks sendmail is the hit 
00:34 < jeru> shit
00:35 < mistik1> We cant help them all, no matter what some will choose to jump off the bridge
00:36 < jeru> but i think you shouldn't use gentoo on servers
00:36 < mistik1> reason?
00:36 < mistik1> the handy compiler?
00:36 < jeru> to much overhead
00:37 < jeru> you've to compile everything
00:37 < mistik1> That is fine with me
00:37 < mistik1> Its what I do on servers anyway
00:38 < mistik1> I have a way of not trusting distro builds for server machines
00:38 < jeru> yepp thats right
00:41 < jeru> i hope you'll remove all that compiler stuff after building ;)
00:43 < mistik1> I may not remove them but i'll certainly cripple them
00:43 < mistik1> Like i do with rpm based servers
00:44 < mistik1> I do things like stick certain binaries on a cdrom or floppy and delete them from the machines
00:44 < mistik1> like "rpm"
00:45 < jeru> ok
00:45 < jeru> but does ispman support qmail?
00:46 < mistik1> no
00:46 < jeru> :(
00:46 < mistik1> yea
00:46 < mistik1> and atif says he has no reason to do so
00:47 < jeru> what about qmail-ldap?
00:47 < mistik1> so for now we just dont use it to deal with mail, that puts an additional step into adding clients but that ok for now
00:48 < mistik1> Well qmail-ldap is what I/we use now and I have been thinking about coding something like the ispman-agent to grab the mail portions of the settings and doing the right thing with them by qmail
00:48 < mistik1> That may yet happen if I can ever find time
00:48 < mistik1> This summer so far looks unlikely
00:48 < jeru> lots to do?
00:49 < mistik1> very busy
00:49 < jeru> thats good
00:49 < mistik1> Since I started my construction business again things have really really picked up
00:49 < mistik1> so consulting gets the back burner for now
00:51 < mistik1> This is why I drum it in kids heads, get yourself a backup trade/career
00:51 < mistik1> It pays
00:51 < jeru> :)
00:52 < jeru> but what exactly is your business?
00:52 < mistik1> heh, I'm rather multifaceted
00:52 < mistik1> i'm a carpenter by trade
00:52 < jeru> haha
00:52 < mistik1> a geek by choice
00:52 < mistik1> an average Electrician
00:53 < jeru> :)
00:53 < mistik1> an above average plumber
00:53 < mistik1> and average mason
00:53 < mistik1> on the computer side I do linux consulting
00:53 < mistik1> used to run a computer store/cyber cafe/learning center
00:54 < mistik1> Now I'm doing carpentry for the most part
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00:54 < jeru> ok
00:54 < mistik1> I'm a GC so I sub most out to save my little body for the older years
00:55 < jeru> I had quit my own business 1 year ago
00:55 < jeru> and now i'm working for a it consuling company
00:55 < mistik1> I for one can vouch for you that self employment is HARD AS HELL but the rewards money cannot buy
00:56 < mistik1> stable work?
00:56 < jeru> yeah thats right 
00:56 < jeru> relative stable
00:57 < mistik1> that's good
00:57 < jeru> but not well paid
00:58 < mistik1> :(
00:58 < mistik1> well use it to make what you want out of life
00:58 < jeru> but anyway, it's just a half time job
00:59 < mistik1> what kind of business did you have?
00:59 < jeru> the other time i study
01:00 < jeru> i did it consultin ;)
01:00 < mistik1> cool
01:00 < jeru> i mean IT
01:00 < jeru> yeah, it was cool
01:00 < mistik1> Well i can share my mantra with you.
01:01 < jeru> :)
01:01 < mistik1> If you goto school make sure to take a major that you can always use for yourself NEVER just something where your only chance is to go work for big corp with your skills
01:01 < jeru> i know
01:02 < mistik1> I see so many do that
01:02 < mistik1> and graduate with honors only to not be able to find a job
01:02 < mistik1> and end up at burger king for 4 years
01:02 < jeru> by the way, where are you come from, I'm from berlin
01:03 < mistik1> I am from Jamaica, in New Jersey USA now
01:03 < jeru> ahh ok
01:03 < jeru> but Jamaica sounds goog ;)
01:03 < jeru> good
01:03 < mistik1> heh
01:04 < mistik1> I AM the Linux Rasta ;-)
01:04 < mistik1> the one and only
01:05 < jeru> i will go to africa in august
01:05 < jeru> yessssss
01:05 < mistik1> way cool
01:05 < jeru> visiting my best friend
01:05 < mistik1> That is slated as my final destination in life
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01:05 < _MadTux> hello.
01:06 < mistik1> after I visit Austrailia I want to settle in africa
01:06 < mistik1> hey _MadTux 
01:06 < _MadTux> 'lo mistik1
01:06 < jeru> yepp africa is the best place on earth
01:06 < rxr> jeru: why?
01:06  * _MadTux listening
01:06 < rxr> hi _MadTux 
01:07 < mistik1> because africa has EVERYTHING
01:07 < _MadTux> rxr, nice to see you. how are u today?
01:07 < jeru> because of the people
01:07 < jeru> yepp because of  EVERYTHING
01:10 < jeru> so ... i've to sleep know ... bye bye
01:10 < mistik1> jeru: nice talking with you, sleep well
01:10 < jeru> mistik: good luck with the installation
01:10 < mistik1> thanks
01:10 < jeru> yeah 
01:11 < jeru> see you
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01:42 < rxr> mistik1: too busy
01:42 < rxr> _MadTux: too busy - even
01:42  * rxr needs to learn not to hit <tab> enter that quickly
01:47 < rxr> Ulrich Drepper is a morron ...
01:48 < _MadTux> rxr, glad to hear i'm not the only one busy as hell around here.
01:48 < _MadTux> rxr, what did Ulrich did ?
01:50 < rxr> _MadTux: you know he is the glibc ueber guru?
01:51 < rxr> he jerks on anyone when he as the chance to
01:51 < rxr> today I flamed an IBM person why he patches an 4 old piece of code when "this crap" should better be removed
01:52 < rxr> the IBM person replied he was told to do it this way 4 years ago (by Ullrich) and explained why it was present at all
01:52 < rxr> all-might ueber Ulirich just replied: "Applied"
01:53 -!- You're now known as rxr-not-speaking
01:53 -!- You're now known as rxr-
01:53 < rxr-> hm - freenode sucks ...
01:55 -!- You're now known as rxr
01:55 -!- You're now known as rxr_not_rock
01:55 < rxr_not_rock> so finally
01:55 < rxr_not_rock> strange naming convetions ...
01:55 < rxr_not_rock> from what I noticed until now - I think he is a real big asshole
01:56 < rxr_not_rock> the most annoying thing is that he - as glibc maintainer in chief for a long time - is not able to realease just one glibc for over 1 and 1/2 years now
01:56 -!- You're now known as rxr
01:59 < rxr> _MadTux: still here?
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02:00 < kasc> hiyas
02:02 < _MadTux> rxr, yeah i'm reading
02:02 < _MadTux> rxr, damn that certainly sucks.
02:05 < Vroum> hi _MadTux 
02:12 < th_> rxr: you around?
02:15 < _MadTux> yo Vroum und th_
02:15 < th_> hi _MadTux 
02:16 < rxr> th_: yes
02:16 < rxr> but only a few more seconds ...
02:17 < th_> rxr: just wanted you to confirm a evolution cfrash
02:17 < th_> easily reproducable in desktop target
02:17 < th_> smp confirmed that one too
02:18 < th_> rxr: do you have a desktop target handy?
02:18 < rxr> oum - depends
02:19 < rxr> hm - it is not installed on my gcc-3.4 iBook
02:19 < rxr> do I would only have it via some corners using ssh -X ...
02:19 < th_> should be eenough
02:20 < th_> rxr:  or better set DISPLAY manually
02:20 < rxr> th_: hm - not installed on the other main box (I'm not a Gnome user ...)
02:20 < th_> right-click on "Shortcuts"-group
02:20 < th_> oh 
02:20 < th_> hmm
02:21 < rxr> th_: maybe just report it to the evolution people? or their bugzilla or so?
02:21 < th_> rxr: i don't think it's evolutions fault
02:21 < th_> rxr: something is messed up in gnome24 i suppose
02:21 < th_> at least in desktop target
02:22 < th_> can't reproduce that crash on a friends debian
02:22 < th_> anyhow... you don't seem to have an evolution handy
02:24 < rxr> th_: I'm also rather busy getting an article ready for print until friday - if it a help and early enough I can help during the weekend
02:25 < rxr> but on my iBook I would have Gnome 2.6 anyway ...
02:25 < th_> yea - let's see
02:25 < rxr> maybe you could post the backtrace here ...
02:25 < th_> i just don't know how to find the messy place...
02:25 < rxr> I once had reproducable crashes in nautilus and the icon-chooser thingy @ my girlfriend and it was a themes fault
02:26 < rxr> gdb evolution
02:26 < th_> #0  0x40fd2a44 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
02:26 < th_> #1  0x403287e1 in libgnomeui_module_info_get ()
02:26 < th_>    from /opt/gnome24/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0
02:26 < th_> #2  0x0808daba in evolution_storage_set_view_factory_new_view ()
02:26 < th_> #3  0x40fd143d in pthread_barrierattr_setpshared () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
02:26 < rxr> is this all?
02:26 < th_> ack
02:26 < rxr> hm
02:27 < rxr> maybe I have a matching Gnome 2.2 on my U5 ...
02:27 < th_> courtesy of Bug Buddy
02:27 < rxr> if you need testing or so ask friday evening or so ...
02:27 < th_> ok
02:28 < rxr> I need to crawl into bad and speed up my writing on this gcc article ...
02:28 < th_> so have a good sleep :)
02:33 < rxr> copyright still me:
02:33 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-rt.png
02:33 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-bt.png
02:33 < rxr> and still not final
02:33 < rxr> n8 all
02:33 < rxr> and of course those 0.x values are still in rebuild
02:33 < th_> what's that?
02:34 < th_> benchs
02:34 < th_> hmm
02:34 < rxr> runtime / buildtime
02:34 < rxr> comments welcome
02:34 < rxr> me off ...
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02:44 < kasc> has anyone a /var/adm/flists/openmotif at hand?
02:54 < rxr> yes
02:54  * rxr still awake
02:55 < rxr> hm - or not
02:55 < rxr> sorry only lestiff
03:02  * rxr feeding intel premier support miscompiled codee ...
03:02 < rxr> seems when I'm at it I should refactor ROCK's icc support, too bad I have no time for it :-(
03:04 < rxr> oh - icc finds loops to vectorize in openssl (if the code would just be correct afterwards ...)
03:06 < kasc> rxr: could you by chance verify that openmotif installs neither header files nor librarys? i'm not sure if thats a real bug or just my crappy installation ;)
03:10 < rxr> kasc: I do not seem to have a reference build handy
03:15 < kasc> k, i'll try to find so else when i find a chance to
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03:26 < mnemoc> rehi
03:29 < kasc> hi mnemoc 
03:34 < kasc> mnemoc: you dont have a /var/adm/flists/openmotif at hand, do you?
03:34 < mnemoc> hi kasc, i don't have openmotif installed :(
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03:40 < kasc> well maybe somebody else will stumble over that...
03:51 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-rt.png
03:51 < rxr> more corrected data points
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04:20 < rxr> but now i'm off
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05:20 < evil> hi guys is there anyone out willing to help me with a little rocklinux prob?
05:20 < evil> any help appreciated
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07:54 < daja77> MadTux: still here?
07:54 < MadTux> yes
07:54 < MadTux> how are u daja77?
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07:55 < daja77> quite well execpt that lawn mover guy that is annoying me atm
07:55 < MadTux> mm..
07:55 < daja77> so how are you?
07:56 < MadTux> I'm ok.. working late as u can see
07:56 < daja77> yeah indeed
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07:59  * daja77 working too
08:00 < MadTux> what are u working on?
08:00 < daja77> university stuff again
08:00 < daja77> and on hppa porting stuff when I have time for that
08:01 < MadTux> good boy.
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08:20 < MadTux> ok good night.
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08:31 < link_> hi all
08:32 < daja77> hi link_ 
08:36 < netrunner> is it only with my mailreader that this comet.friend thread is broken apart?
08:48 < netrunner> moin btw :)
08:49 < daja77> hi netrunner 
08:49 < daja77> there was a thread? ;-)
08:49 < netrunner> well, they all have the same subject ...
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10:27 < ^evil> hi guys does anyone know where to find documentation or useful help on compiling a rocklinux kernel?
10:28 < ^evil> I ve been lookin around for a while tryin to compile different versions of the 2.6er Kernel without success
10:29 < ^evil> what do u have to do to specifically adapt a kernel on rock?
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10:45 < ^evil> can anyone tell what specific adaptations have to be made for compiling a kernel from binaries under rock?
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10:51 < dsoul> ^evil i think none :)
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10:55 < netrunne1> ^evil: look for the handbook on the website.
10:56 < netrunne1> ^evil: the "rocklinux kernel" is just a kernel. few patches are applied, in a running system you find them in /usr/src/linux26-patches
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11:00 < netrunner> ^evil: btw: how would you compile "from binary"?
11:03 < blindy> moin
11:05 < netrunner> hi blindy
11:05 < blindy> hi netrunner 
11:06 < blindy> compile from binarly?
11:08 < netrunner> blindy:  ^evil wanted to know how to compile a kernel from binary, dunno ;)
11:10  * netrunner trying the epia thing with gcc34
11:16 < blindy> good luck
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11:23 < kasc> moin
11:24 < ^evil> thx guys, been afk :)
11:24 < ^evil> my knowledge is limited as u've already noticed ;)
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11:26 < ^evil> i am out for now , c u all
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11:27 < daja77> O_o
11:29 < rxr> re
11:29 < daja77> hi rxr 
11:31 < dsoul> hi rxr 
11:32 < blindy> moin rxr
11:32 < th_> moin
11:32 < blindy> rxr: how's Berlin at this time of the year?
11:33 < dsoul> hi th_ 
11:34 < th_> oh boy - everything is segfaulting in my desktop targets
11:34 < th_> what am i doing wrong?
11:35 < blindy> th_: glibc version update?
11:35 < netrunner> blindy: I'd say busy :)
11:35 < netrunner> th_: wrong optimisation
11:35 < netrunner> ?
11:35 < th_> glibc is 2.3.2 gcc-3 is 3.2.3 optimization is pentium-mmx
11:35 < blindy> netrunner: I'm asking because my employee wants to send me there for ~2years
11:36 < netrunner> blindy: I cannot stay there longer than a few weeks ;)
11:36 < blindy> netrunner: don't destroy my hopes :/
11:36 < th_> btw. is there a way to know the optimization a binary was built for?
11:38 < netrunner> try it on various? ;)
11:39 < daja77> what does strace or ltrace tell about the segfaults
11:40 < th_> daja77: which want should i diagnose wirst? xawtv, evolution or old gimp?
11:40 < daja77> *shrug* just pick one
11:40 < daja77> but me is off now
11:42 < rxr> I like Berlin
11:42 < rxr> valentin: have you special notes about Berlin for blindy?
11:43 < rxr> th_: xawtv and the older gimp are affectedd, too?
11:43 < th_> rxr: yes
11:43 < valentin> moin
11:43 < rxr> th_: I used xastv often - it did not crash the last time I used it shourly before 2.0.x
11:43 < netrunner> th_: have you updated your glibc?
11:43 < valentin> blindy: berlin is warm
11:43 < rxr> th_: and the old gimp also worked the last time I clicked on it.
11:43 < netrunner> valentin: in all meanings of the word :)
11:44 < th_> netrunner: no i just installed a plain desktop target with glibc-2.3.2
11:44 < blindy> valentin: warm as in 40 degree Celsius?
11:44 < blindy> netrunner: heh
11:44 < th_> #0  0x08064b1a in ng_attr_getstr ()
11:44 < th_> #1  0x080522f4 in toolkit_set_label ()
11:44 < th_> #2  0x08061036 in attr_init ()
11:44 < th_> #3  0x080548e5 in main ()
11:44 < th_> that's the xawtv
11:44 < th_> nothing special
11:45 < netrunner> th_: if it is so many libs, there must be something central affected.
11:45 < valentin> blindy: no, but my room has approx 25 C which is about 5 degree to high
11:45 < th_> netrunner: yes - i think so too
11:46 < th_> ltrace -S (all system calls) on gimp takes quite a time ;)
11:47 < blindy> valentin: ah, ok
11:48 < th_> netrunner: but i will overwrite all packages with a fresh build from yesterday.
11:48 < th_> there is no sense in debugging a too old revision
11:48 < blindy> valentin: well, I'm sitting here near Munich with my coat on :/
11:49 < esden> morning
11:50 < blindy> moin esden 
11:50 < th_> hmmm /var/adm/packages/* could give a bit more information about confopts... optimization, compiler version...
11:51 < th_> i need to know these options on a per package basis
11:51 < rxr> th_: why, have you build them in single chunks?
11:52 < rxr> if not - they are all the same and in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
11:52 < th_> rxr: some are emerged on the live system
11:52 < dsoul> hi esden 
11:53 < th_> rxr:  /etc/ROCK-CONFIG changes when building packages, doesn't it?
11:55 < th_> hmmm no does not
11:55 < th_> ok - so that could help a bit
11:55 < th_> but still - i need that on a per package basis...
11:56 < th_> at least some info
12:00 < th_> netrunner: do you have a desktop target handy. would like to check some of my crashs at your site...
12:15 < netrunner> hey cool, the binaries seem to work this time! ;)
12:15 < netrunner> (for epia)
12:15 < th_> netrunner: what epia hardware?
12:15 < netrunner> ezra core 1GHz
12:15 < netrunner> compiled for p3 without cmov
12:15 < th_> ezra... hmm that's not the Nehemiah C3 is it?
12:16 < netrunner> no, nemiah came after ezra
12:16 < th_> oh no - the nehemiah has cmov
12:17  * netrunner strokes gcc34
12:21 < rxr> netrunner: when have you seen Clifford the last time?
12:21 < netrunner> rxr: saturday evening
12:22 < rxr> what is his plan regarding applying patches? and generally continuing developing ROCK ?
12:22 < netrunner> iirc take a bunch of patches from submaster, do a full build, fix minor issues, reject major issues nad then apply.
12:24 < netrunner> he was quite busy organizing the linuxweeks austria last week(s). And then I shut down his build server because I could not sleep ;)
12:24 < th_> the old-gimp segfault dissappeared after reinstalling the system with a fresh build (stable-2.0 HEAD) desktop target without optimization
13:21 < blindy> urgs
13:21 < blindy> YasT2 on my ROCK Monitor :/
13:22 < blindy> luckily, only X-Forwarded :)
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14:32  * netrunner has a font problem, anybody knows how to solve?
14:33 < netrunner> I have this in openoffice, when I type " some text after it dissapears, but it is still there.
14:33 < daja77> after that detailed description ...
14:33 < daja77> O_o
14:36 < netrunner> had this while writing on a document and continuously switching between linux/OO and windows/msword
14:37  * rxr does not use OpenOffice - no comment
14:38 < daja77> unfortunatly there is no better atm
14:39 < rxr> I only use stuff that compiles from source
14:39 < netrunner> :)
14:39 < rxr> and even if Kword has some tiny issues I prefer it
14:39 < blindy> rxr: OOo does compile. But it needs java and a ton of other thins IIRC :)
14:40 < rxr> blindy: I know this
14:40 < netrunner> rxr: is it possible to convert kword/winword in both directions?
14:40 < rxr> netrunner: Kword can only handle basic M$ documents w/ too much esoteric formating
14:40 < blindy> rxr: so your argument is invalid
14:40 < rxr> recently someone said OO can now be compiled without Java ...
14:41 < blindy> that would be nice :)
14:41 < daja77> jsaw iirc
14:41 < rxr> blindy: my argument is valid: no binary only crap on my boxes
14:42 < rxr> blindy: I only had only _one_ crashing problem with kword - and I was able to fix it in 1 1/2 hours _myself_
14:42 < daja77> it might be valid when looking at kword but the other koffice apps are just crap
14:42 < rxr> and I even was able to improve table resizing in Kword in only 1+hour
14:42 < rxr> nah - kspread is usable too - the rest is not that usfull
14:43 < rxr> useful even
14:43 < daja77> kpresenter is garbage, for stuff like that you can either use OO or latex
14:43 < daja77> and I prefer the latter
14:47 < blindy> does anyone know of a UltraSPARC live Linux system?
14:48 < daja77> gentoo perhaps
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15:04 < nzg> moin
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15:07 < dsoul> hi nzg 
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16:04 < rxr> ouhm
16:04 < rxr> http://freedesktop.org/software/waimea
16:06 < daja77> hehe so what we need kde for ;-)
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16:44 < mnemoc> rehi
16:44 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
16:45 < mnemoc> oh... what's that gnome foot doing in the corner of waimea?
16:45 < Vr> :)
16:45 < daja77> offering gnome menus perhaps
16:47 < mnemoc> hi daja77, Vr 
16:47 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
16:48 < Vr> hi mnemoc 
16:50 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:51  * rxr away
16:51 < rxr> cu later
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17:05 < _MadTux> hey
17:05 < daja77> hey miguel
17:06 < _MadTux> hey Danny :)
17:08 < dsoul> hi _MadTux 
17:14 < blokkie> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
17:14 < blokkie> See `config.log' for more details.
17:14 < blokkie> how do I fix this ?
17:15 < blokkie> daja77,  it's thesame issue as yesterday , though this time I have a log file :-)
17:19 < netrunne1> blokkie: what package failed first?
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17:19 < blokkie> this one
17:19 < blokkie> == 17:19:21 =[1]=> Building base/mktemp [1.5 2.0.2].
17:20 < blokkie> I do get these segfaults in the beginning :
17:21 < blokkie> Making post-install adaptions.
17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 952: 13560 Segmentation fault      umount -r -d -f $builddir/* 2>/dev/null
17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 953: 13561 Segmentation fault      umount -r -d -f -l $builddir/* 2>/dev/null
17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 968: 13563 Segmentation fault      umount -r -d -f $builddir 2>/dev/null
17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 969: 13564 Segmentation fault      umount -r -d -f -l $builddir 2>/dev/null
17:23 < mnemoc> wrong umount arch?
17:24 < mnemoc> hi netrunner, blokkie, _MadTux!
17:24 < mnemoc> hi dsoul too :)
17:25  * _MadTux doing high availability cluster stuff powered by the FLASK architecture aka SELInux :)
17:25 < dsoul> :)
17:25 < _MadTux> gee.. hell of a project :)
17:26 < mnemoc> good money?
17:27 < _MadTux> indeed :)
17:27  * _MadTux happy to finally have good work to do... damn financial pression have been killing me the past weeks
17:27 < blokkie> ok , but the umount error can't be the source of this error :  configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
17:27 < blokkie> hi mnemoc
17:27 < _MadTux> still will kill me for at least 4 or 5 more ... but then i will start stabilizing
17:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: hui
17:29 < netrunner> blokkie: it is because not only mktemp fails, also some others will.
17:29 < blokkie> netrunner, yeah , if I let ./Build-Target run, all fail
17:30 < blokkie> all with thesame error : 
17:30 < blokkie> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
17:30 < blokkie> --- BUILD ERROR ---
17:31 < daja77> what does config.log say
17:34 < blokkie> what should I be looking for ? 
17:34 < daja77> for the error?
17:34 < blokkie> configure: caught signal 2
17:34 < blokkie> configure: exit 1
17:35 < blokkie> that's at the end of the file .. but I don't see errors 
17:35 < daja77> what did it try before it threw that error mssage above?
17:36 < daja77> could you put it on a webserver perhaps
17:36 < blokkie> <flood>
17:36 < blokkie> ## ----------- ##
17:36 < blokkie> ## confdefs.h. ##
17:36 < blokkie> ## ----------- ##
17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_NAME "mktemp"
17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_STRING "mktemp 1.5"
17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "mktemp"
17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_VERSION "1.5"
17:36 < blokkie> </flood>
17:36 < daja77> could please put the whole file on a webspace
17:37 < blokkie> can I mail it ? 
17:43 < daja77> hm strange, this nocross thing doesn't seem to work
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17:46 < netrunner> blookie: the error is not in this package, but in one of the failed before.
17:46 < blokkie> ok .. I'll rm the sources and start again
17:46 < netrunner> blokkie: no
17:47 < netrunner> blokkie: could you do a scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg yourcfg? one of the packages in stage 1 must have failed prior to this.
17:47 < blokkie> ok
17:47 < daja77> yep sounds reasonable
17:48 < blokkie> 871 builds total, 11 completed fine, 21 with errors.
17:48 < blokkie> You need the report ?
17:50 < daja77> yes
17:50 < blokkie> I'll mail
17:54 < daja77> ah k. almost everything in stage one fail including the kernel
17:55 < daja77> and glibc
17:56 < _MadTux> 0_o?!
17:56 < daja77> on amd64
17:56 < mnemoc> blokkie: don't you _ever_ continue building if something on stage <2 fails
17:57 < mnemoc> .oO( that was an afirmation, not a question )o
17:57 < blokkie> ok .. let me start all over again
17:57 < blokkie> can  I do a Make super clean ? :-)
17:58 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Cleanup
17:58 < daja77> -full
17:58 < mnemoc> oh... -full
17:58 < blokkie> ok .. let me do that , and I'll do  ./Build-target  directly after that
17:59 < blokkie> is that better daja77 , instead of building the kernel now ?
17:59 < mnemoc> go to config and set abort-on-error and retry-failed
17:59 < daja77> blokkie: no
17:59 < daja77> it just takes longer ;-)
18:00 < daja77> you'll over the same errs i guess
18:01 < blokkie> ok .. kernel24 is compiling, lets wait and see what this sucka spews out
18:01 < daja77> ;-)
18:01  * _MadTux wonders if rock will ever move to kernel 2.6 as default..
18:03 < daja77> you could toggle that
18:04 < blokkie> this takes a bit of time , so I'm buying drinks to kill the time :-)
18:04 < daja77> it should fail soon ^^
18:05 < blokkie> _insert_sarcasme_  :-)
18:05 < daja77> ;-)
18:17 < blokkie> ERROR !!!! 
18:17 < blokkie> whoo hoo 
18:17 < daja77> hehe
18:17 < daja77> ok now tell us
18:17 < blokkie> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `misc.o' is incompatible with i386 output
18:17 < blokkie> make[2]: *** [bvmlinux] Segmentation fault
18:18 < daja77> i386 output?
18:18 < blokkie> I'll paste in  PM  the entire line 
18:18 < rxr> re
18:18 < daja77> wb rxr
18:18 < blokkie> peace rxr ;)à
18:19 < dsoul> hi rxr 
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18:20 < daja77> rxr: could it be that the default -march or -mcpu switch in x86 target breaks this?
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18:25 < daja77> experienced such things while crosscompiling hppa, but different of course
18:27 < blokkie> it's not good anyway 
18:27 < rxr> blokkie: what optimization did you selected?
18:27 < rxr> could you try if "generic" optimisation makes a difference ?
18:29 < daja77> haven't found any code in gcc-options that contains the -m64 flag
18:29 < daja77> just had a glance
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18:37 < blokkie> sorry .. laptop battery was empty 
18:37 < blokkie> rxr in ./Config  I've set x86 generic >> AMD 64  Opteron 
18:40 < daja77> hm why we have still a thunderbird package 
18:41 < mnemoc> daja77: why not?
18:41 < daja77> cos firefox is the successor and we have a firefox package
18:42 < mnemoc> firebox=browser
18:42 < blokkie> firefox is the successor of firebird , which is the successor of phoenix
18:42 < mnemoc> thunderbird=mua
18:42 < daja77> ok than i confused that
18:42 < mnemoc> firefox even
18:43 < daja77> this renaming sucks anyway
18:43 < blokkie> yeah, that and 64bit compiling 
18:43 < blokkie> :-)
18:43 < daja77> you are the first who can really test it :\
18:44 < daja77> grep: package/rene/subversion=subversion-static/subversion=subversion-static.desc: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
18:44 < daja77> O_o
18:44 < mnemoc> daja77: ack :)
18:44 < mnemoc> daja77: what does it means?
18:45 < daja77> file or directory not found
18:45 < daja77> i should set a reasonable locale for that
18:45 < mnemoc> .rockrc :)
19:01 < blokkie> I've started now using cross-compiling
19:02 < daja77> hm
19:02 < blokkie> I don't have the knoledge to debug it 
19:03 < blokkie> or to trace the source of the problem
19:09 < blokkie> that works liek a charm
19:09 < blokkie> s/liek/like
19:09 < blokkie> binutils is allready done 
19:11 < daja77> <- off
19:12 < blokkie> bye daja77 , thx for your time
19:16 < blokkie> if I've finished ./Build-Target , can I do  Build-ISO  straight away  ?
19:17 < dsoul> yes
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19:19 < blokkie> great
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19:24 < blokkie> hi nzg
19:30 < netrunner> blokkie: almost, you'll need to build the bootdisk target also if you want the cd to be bootable
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19:53  * netrunner is utterly bored
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20:49 < rxr> re
20:50 < dsoul> hi rxr 
20:52 < _MadTux> wb rxr 
20:52 < netrunner> hi rxr
20:52  * netrunner building liquidwar to see if it casts away boredom
20:56 < rxr> netrunner: dive thre flyspray and fix bugs ;-)!
20:58 < netrunner> liquidwar doesn't work anyway (here)
20:58 < kasc> how come?
20:59 < netrunner> liquidwar: rawmidi.c:306: snd_rawmidi_open: Assertion `(inputp || outputp) && name' failed.
21:00 < kasc> hmm
21:06 < netrunner> rxr: any chance to rebuild .cache files next time? there's still the bug in flyspray about the sysfiles.cache containing errors
21:09 < rxr> netrunner: I already adviced this on rock-devel - but from all the many mails to clifford I have not got a single response ...
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21:25 < netrunner> rxr: do it and send a patch ... or shall I do it?
21:26 < netrunner> we should do something like if >3 core developers vote for apply you can apply it or so.
21:26 < netrunner> this stalles the same way as it was when you did the apply stuff or better did it not while moving 
21:26 < netrunner> or while having no inet
21:33 < rxr> netrunner: patch for cache files? - No way
21:34 < rxr> the tree maintainer has to generate it using his/hers usual reference build procedure
21:34 < rxr> I already applies many patches just so
21:34 < rxr> but I did not wanted to do too much of this due to:
21:34 < rxr> a) I do not want go on cliffords nerves
21:35 < rxr> b) have no CPU time to build 2.1-DEV currently
21:35 < Vr> w00 some activity today
21:35 < Vr> :)
21:35 < netrunner> the smiler is back
21:35 < rxr> my Athlon-XP is busy crunching benchmakrs ...
21:35 < Vr> netrunner: :)
21:35 < rxr> hi Vr 
21:35 < Vr> hi rxr
21:35 < Vr> hi netrunner 
21:35 < Vr> :)
21:37 < rxr> the new waimea renders a bit slow - but cool progress
21:37 < rxr> all the config stuff is xml now ...
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21:42 < dsoul> hi Vr :>
21:42 < Vr> hi dsoul :)
21:42 < Vr> :]
21:43 < dsoul> :P
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21:44 < Vr> :}
21:44 < dsoul> that will ends with bans :P
21:45 < Vr> :)
21:45 < Vr> ok ok
21:48 < netrunner> rxr: If you need cpu power, I can borrow some. just name revision and config. on the other hand I'll try to lobby a bit :)
21:52 < rxr> netrunner: I'm really more busy then usual - for the .cache this has to be done by the tree maintainer
21:52 < rxr> netrunner: for other stuff - just work independant, build fix, add stuff - follow your inspiration
21:54 < Vr> netrunner: me i need build and i've not good cpu
21:54 < Vr> :p
21:57 < mnemoc> *yawn*
21:58 < Vr> if you want
21:58 < dsoul> Vr i'll try to run a build server with 2x athlon 1800MP 2gb ram during vacations
21:59 < Vr> yes !!
21:59 < dsoul> You will just fill webform and wait few days for iso with your configiration do download :)
21:59 < Vr> hum
21:59 < Vr> YES !!
21:59 < Vr> i fill it
21:59 < Vr> where is it ?
21:59 < Vr> :)
22:00 < dsoul> Vr server is waiting form me when i'll have time to install software on it :)
22:00 < Vr> can i help you ?
22:01 < dsoul> if you hav some ideas, yes :)
22:01 < mnemoc> netrunner: why a _target_ for an arch? 
22:01 < netrunner> dsoul: nice, I had this idea but never realy made it 'cause I have no spare bandwidth :)
22:02 < Vr> :)
22:02 < dsoul> netrunner i've got 155mbit freen on my university :)
22:02 < Vr> yes !!
22:02 < Vr> :)
22:02 < netrunner> mnemoc: historical? it has started like that, I didn't really bother
22:03 < netrunner> mnemoc: it is x86 arch anyway, just a subset. and it wants special patches for special optimization
22:06 < mnemoc> netrunner: new gcc versions can handle it properly?
22:07 < netrunner> mnemoc: with the patch, yes.
22:07 < mnemoc> if it needs a patch it doesn't ;)
22:07 < netrunner> (the patch removes cmov from ppro)
22:08 < netrunner> mnemoc: but the new one works with the patch, the old produced crappy code
22:08 < mnemoc> good
22:08 < mnemoc> new=3.4?
22:09 < netrunner> jup
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22:28 < ^evil> hey stupid evil back again with another dumb question, I'd appreciate any help =/
22:28 < dsoul> :>
22:29 < Vr> :)
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22:30 < Vr> don't ask to ask, just say hello and ask
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22:33 < dsoul> :{
22:33 < dsoul> :P
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22:37 < Vr> :]
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22:55 < nzg> moin
22:56 < dsoul> hi nzg 
22:57 < nzg> moin dsoul
23:04 < mnemoc> does OOo work with TEX?
23:06 < Vr> i think no
23:06 < mnemoc> :(
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23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: export or so maybe
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: what other TeX integration do you mean?
23:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: you can edit tex source files as text files :) not more
23:34 < netrunner> ts, my gf sits front of her computer all day to learn webdesign :)
23:35 < netrunner> n8
23:36 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
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23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: TeX format is control-version friendly, binary formats don't
23:41 < mnemoc> i liked wordperfect file format :|
23:41 < daja77> i actually do that with my tex documents
23:41 < mnemoc> daja77: export/import?
23:42 < daja77> openoffice is an xml format and it has a builtin rcs
23:42 < daja77> huh? no i wrote them as tex
23:42 < mnemoc> i'll have to learn tex
23:43 < daja77> it is a bit hard
23:43 < rxr> and stinks
23:43 < mnemoc> oh
23:43 < daja77> yes
23:43 < daja77> but there is no better tool for that price
23:44 < daja77> the challenge is to find the nice packages for the job
23:44 < mnemoc> daja77: any recomendation?
23:45 < daja77> depends on what you want to set up
23:46 < mnemoc> papers, curriculum, reports for univ.,...
23:46 < daja77> oh that's not so hard
23:46 < mnemoc> daja77: or a place to start my TeX journey
23:47 < daja77> the places where i started are in german ...
23:47 < mnemoc> :(
23:48  * rxr has a hard-cover book
23:48 < mnemoc> oreilly?
23:48 < rxr> but the more I use (La)TeX the more I dislike it ...
23:48  * daja77 too but that book is crap
23:48 < rxr> mnemoc: no :-( A german one, too
23:48 < mnemoc> damn
23:49 < rxr> I'll most probably convert the ROCK Handbook to docbook one day - fllowing the Subversion handbook style
23:49 < daja77> well that depends, sometimes I really hate until someone points me to a nice package which solves the problem in a nice way
23:49 < daja77> docbook sucks even more
23:49 < rxr> but I need to look into the docbook stuff at some point in the future
23:49 < daja77> i once used it, I doubt if I can set up all my stuff properly with that
23:51 < daja77> but I should look over the handbook src again, maybe there are things to improve
23:53 < mnemoc> daja77: then, what's your recomendation?
23:55 < daja77> perhaps that
23:55 < daja77> http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/
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23:56 < daja77> but really I haven't looked much on english documentation in that case
23:56 < mnemoc> anything to have in mind to export stuff to pdf later?
23:57 < daja77> you can use pdflatex to create pdf
23:57 < daja77> you could even create a menu structure by using the hyperref package
23:58 < mnemoc> bookmarked :)
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