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--- Log opened Thu Jun 03 00:00:08 2004 00:00 < jeru> nice support 00:00 < jeru> what isp do you have? 00:15 < blokkie> hi mistik1 00:16 < blokkie> seems ages 00:17 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 00:17 < mistik1> hey blokkie 00:17 < blokkie> jeru, isnt there a debian or freebsd script that can do all that all at once ? 00:17 < blokkie> iirc I read somthing about these scripts on /. 00:18 < Vroum> build on debian isn't good idea 00:18 < jeru> sorry, what scripts do you mean? 00:22 < jeru> i found some installation hints for a gentoo installation in a user forum of my isp 00:23 < mistik1> jeru: I imagine its a rock install you're trying to do? 00:23 < jeru> of course ;) 00:23 < mistik1> ;) 00:24 < jeru> i migrating 00:24 < mistik1> ahh 00:24 < mistik1> Well I just landed a sweet contract so I can get my dual done so I can finally play more with rock 00:24 < jeru> and don't like gentoo anymore 00:25 < mistik1> The one i'm doing now is mandrake to gentoo 00:25 < jeru> ok 00:25 < mistik1> the biggest part is the management software for thier hosting 00:25 < mistik1> ISP management stuff 00:26 < mistik1> migrating that is the hardest 00:26 < mistik1> perl code with LDAP backend 00:26 < jeru> well, but i hav to do 00:27 < jeru> what management system do you mean exactly 00:28 < mistik1> the opensource ISPMan 00:28 < jeru> ahh ok ...!!! 00:28 < jeru> yep. that's nice 00:28 < mistik1> yea, It works pretty well 00:28 < jeru> and you want to use gentoo on your servers? 00:29 < mistik1> yes 00:29 < jeru> why not rocklinux? 00:29 < mistik1> I do not have a machine to do a rock build on right now 00:30 < mistik1> and neither they nor I can stand this mandrake crap anymore 00:30 < jeru> I understand 00:30 < jeru> but i've never touched mandrake 00:30 < mistik1> most the other servers there run slackware now 00:31 < mistik1> I may be biased but as a server DONT!! 00:32 < mistik1> Leave that distro for the newbs 00:32 < jeru> yepp ;) 00:33 < mistik1> I have one mail server here locally still running mdk but the only reason I have not moved it yet is because It only runs qmail and friends and use nothing of the distro 00:33 < mistik1> everything running on it I compiled by hand 00:33 < jeru> sjb style ;) 00:33 < jeru> i mean djb 00:34 < mistik1> yessir 00:34 < jeru> yeah qmail is great 00:34 < mistik1> I swear by qmail 00:34 < jeru> but the company i work thinks sendmail is the hit 00:34 < jeru> shit 00:35 < mistik1> We cant help them all, no matter what some will choose to jump off the bridge 00:36 < jeru> but i think you shouldn't use gentoo on servers 00:36 < mistik1> reason? 00:36 < mistik1> the handy compiler? 00:36 < jeru> to much overhead 00:37 < jeru> you've to compile everything 00:37 < mistik1> That is fine with me 00:37 < mistik1> Its what I do on servers anyway 00:38 < mistik1> I have a way of not trusting distro builds for server machines 00:38 < jeru> yepp thats right 00:41 < jeru> i hope you'll remove all that compiler stuff after building ;) 00:43 < mistik1> I may not remove them but i'll certainly cripple them 00:43 < mistik1> Like i do with rpm based servers 00:44 < mistik1> I do things like stick certain binaries on a cdrom or floppy and delete them from the machines 00:44 < mistik1> like "rpm" 00:45 < jeru> ok 00:45 < jeru> but does ispman support qmail? 00:46 < mistik1> no 00:46 < jeru> :( 00:46 < mistik1> yea 00:46 < mistik1> and atif says he has no reason to do so 00:47 < jeru> what about qmail-ldap? 00:47 < mistik1> so for now we just dont use it to deal with mail, that puts an additional step into adding clients but that ok for now 00:48 < mistik1> Well qmail-ldap is what I/we use now and I have been thinking about coding something like the ispman-agent to grab the mail portions of the settings and doing the right thing with them by qmail 00:48 < mistik1> That may yet happen if I can ever find time 00:48 < mistik1> This summer so far looks unlikely 00:48 < jeru> lots to do? 00:49 < mistik1> very busy 00:49 < jeru> thats good 00:49 < mistik1> Since I started my construction business again things have really really picked up 00:49 < mistik1> so consulting gets the back burner for now 00:51 < mistik1> This is why I drum it in kids heads, get yourself a backup trade/career 00:51 < mistik1> It pays 00:51 < jeru> :) 00:52 < jeru> but what exactly is your business? 00:52 < mistik1> heh, I'm rather multifaceted 00:52 < mistik1> i'm a carpenter by trade 00:52 < jeru> haha 00:52 < mistik1> a geek by choice 00:52 < mistik1> an average Electrician 00:53 < jeru> :) 00:53 < mistik1> an above average plumber 00:53 < mistik1> and average mason 00:53 < mistik1> on the computer side I do linux consulting 00:53 < mistik1> used to run a computer store/cyber cafe/learning center 00:54 < mistik1> Now I'm doing carpentry for the most part 00:54 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-89-95.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:54 < jeru> ok 00:54 < mistik1> I'm a GC so I sub most out to save my little body for the older years 00:55 < jeru> I had quit my own business 1 year ago 00:55 < jeru> and now i'm working for a it consuling company 00:55 < mistik1> I for one can vouch for you that self employment is HARD AS HELL but the rewards money cannot buy 00:56 < mistik1> stable work? 00:56 < jeru> yeah thats right 00:56 < jeru> relative stable 00:57 < mistik1> that's good 00:57 < jeru> but not well paid 00:58 < mistik1> :( 00:58 < mistik1> well use it to make what you want out of life 00:58 < jeru> but anyway, it's just a half time job 00:59 < mistik1> what kind of business did you have? 00:59 < jeru> the other time i study 01:00 < jeru> i did it consultin ;) 01:00 < mistik1> cool 01:00 < jeru> i mean IT 01:00 < jeru> yeah, it was cool 01:00 < mistik1> Well i can share my mantra with you. 01:01 < jeru> :) 01:01 < mistik1> If you goto school make sure to take a major that you can always use for yourself NEVER just something where your only chance is to go work for big corp with your skills 01:01 < jeru> i know 01:02 < mistik1> I see so many do that 01:02 < mistik1> and graduate with honors only to not be able to find a job 01:02 < mistik1> and end up at burger king for 4 years 01:02 < jeru> by the way, where are you come from, I'm from berlin 01:03 < mistik1> I am from Jamaica, in New Jersey USA now 01:03 < jeru> ahh ok 01:03 < jeru> but Jamaica sounds goog ;) 01:03 < jeru> good 01:03 < mistik1> heh 01:04 < mistik1> I AM the Linux Rasta ;-) 01:04 < mistik1> the one and only 01:05 < jeru> i will go to africa in august 01:05 < jeru> yessssss 01:05 < mistik1> way cool 01:05 < jeru> visiting my best friend 01:05 < mistik1> That is slated as my final destination in life 01:05 -!- _MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 01:05 < _MadTux> hello. 01:06 < mistik1> after I visit Austrailia I want to settle in africa 01:06 < mistik1> hey _MadTux 01:06 < _MadTux> 'lo mistik1 01:06 < jeru> yepp africa is the best place on earth 01:06 < rxr> jeru: why? 01:06 * _MadTux listening 01:06 < rxr> hi _MadTux 01:07 < mistik1> because africa has EVERYTHING 01:07 < _MadTux> rxr, nice to see you. how are u today? 01:07 < jeru> because of the people 01:07 < jeru> yepp because of EVERYTHING 01:10 < jeru> so ... i've to sleep know ... bye bye 01:10 < mistik1> jeru: nice talking with you, sleep well 01:10 < jeru> mistik: good luck with the installation 01:10 < mistik1> thanks 01:10 < jeru> yeah 01:11 < jeru> see you 01:11 -!- jeru [~jeru@pD9E76715.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:42 < rxr> mistik1: too busy 01:42 < rxr> _MadTux: too busy - even 01:42 * rxr needs to learn not to hit <tab> enter that quickly 01:47 < rxr> Ulrich Drepper is a morron ... 01:48 < _MadTux> rxr, glad to hear i'm not the only one busy as hell around here. 01:48 < _MadTux> rxr, what did Ulrich did ? 01:50 < rxr> _MadTux: you know he is the glibc ueber guru? 01:51 < rxr> he jerks on anyone when he as the chance to 01:51 < rxr> today I flamed an IBM person why he patches an 4 old piece of code when "this crap" should better be removed 01:52 < rxr> the IBM person replied he was told to do it this way 4 years ago (by Ullrich) and explained why it was present at all 01:52 < rxr> all-might ueber Ulirich just replied: "Applied" 01:53 -!- You're now known as rxr-not-speaking 01:53 -!- You're now known as rxr- 01:53 < rxr-> hm - freenode sucks ... 01:55 -!- You're now known as rxr 01:55 -!- You're now known as rxr_not_rock 01:55 < rxr_not_rock> so finally 01:55 < rxr_not_rock> strange naming convetions ... 01:55 < rxr_not_rock> from what I noticed until now - I think he is a real big asshole 01:56 < rxr_not_rock> the most annoying thing is that he - as glibc maintainer in chief for a long time - is not able to realease just one glibc for over 1 and 1/2 years now 01:56 -!- You're now known as rxr 01:59 < rxr> _MadTux: still here? 01:59 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-142.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:00 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-142.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:00 < kasc> hiyas 02:02 < _MadTux> rxr, yeah i'm reading 02:02 < _MadTux> rxr, damn that certainly sucks. 02:05 < Vroum> hi _MadTux 02:12 < th_> rxr: you around? 02:15 < _MadTux> yo Vroum und th_ 02:15 < th_> hi _MadTux 02:16 < rxr> th_: yes 02:16 < rxr> but only a few more seconds ... 02:17 < th_> rxr: just wanted you to confirm a evolution cfrash 02:17 < th_> easily reproducable in desktop target 02:17 < th_> smp confirmed that one too 02:18 < th_> rxr: do you have a desktop target handy? 02:18 < rxr> oum - depends 02:19 < rxr> hm - it is not installed on my gcc-3.4 iBook 02:19 < rxr> do I would only have it via some corners using ssh -X ... 02:19 < th_> should be eenough 02:20 < th_> rxr: or better set DISPLAY manually 02:20 < rxr> th_: hm - not installed on the other main box (I'm not a Gnome user ...) 02:20 < th_> right-click on "Shortcuts"-group 02:20 < th_> oh 02:20 < th_> hmm 02:21 < rxr> th_: maybe just report it to the evolution people? or their bugzilla or so? 02:21 < th_> rxr: i don't think it's evolutions fault 02:21 < th_> rxr: something is messed up in gnome24 i suppose 02:21 < th_> at least in desktop target 02:22 < th_> can't reproduce that crash on a friends debian 02:22 < th_> anyhow... you don't seem to have an evolution handy 02:24 < rxr> th_: I'm also rather busy getting an article ready for print until friday - if it a help and early enough I can help during the weekend 02:25 < rxr> but on my iBook I would have Gnome 2.6 anyway ... 02:25 < th_> yea - let's see 02:25 < rxr> maybe you could post the backtrace here ... 02:25 < th_> i just don't know how to find the messy place... 02:25 < rxr> I once had reproducable crashes in nautilus and the icon-chooser thingy @ my girlfriend and it was a themes fault 02:26 < rxr> gdb evolution 02:26 < th_> #0 0x40fd2a44 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 02:26 < th_> #1 0x403287e1 in libgnomeui_module_info_get () 02:26 < th_> from /opt/gnome24/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0 02:26 < th_> #2 0x0808daba in evolution_storage_set_view_factory_new_view () 02:26 < th_> #3 0x40fd143d in pthread_barrierattr_setpshared () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 02:26 < rxr> is this all? 02:26 < th_> ack 02:26 < rxr> hm 02:27 < rxr> maybe I have a matching Gnome 2.2 on my U5 ... 02:27 < th_> courtesy of Bug Buddy 02:27 < rxr> if you need testing or so ask friday evening or so ... 02:27 < th_> ok 02:28 < rxr> I need to crawl into bad and speed up my writing on this gcc article ... 02:28 < th_> so have a good sleep :) 02:33 < rxr> copyright still me: 02:33 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-rt.png 02:33 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-bt.png 02:33 < rxr> and still not final 02:33 < rxr> n8 all 02:33 < rxr> and of course those 0.x values are still in rebuild 02:33 < th_> what's that? 02:34 < th_> benchs 02:34 < th_> hmm 02:34 < rxr> runtime / buildtime 02:34 < rxr> comments welcome 02:34 < rxr> me off ... 02:38 -!- _MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:44 < kasc> has anyone a /var/adm/flists/openmotif at hand? 02:54 < rxr> yes 02:54 * rxr still awake 02:55 < rxr> hm - or not 02:55 < rxr> sorry only lestiff 03:02 * rxr feeding intel premier support miscompiled codee ... 03:02 < rxr> seems when I'm at it I should refactor ROCK's icc support, too bad I have no time for it :-( 03:04 < rxr> oh - icc finds loops to vectorize in openssl (if the code would just be correct afterwards ...) 03:06 < kasc> rxr: could you by chance verify that openmotif installs neither header files nor librarys? i'm not sure if thats a real bug or just my crappy installation ;) 03:10 < rxr> kasc: I do not seem to have a reference build handy 03:15 < kasc> k, i'll try to find so else when i find a chance to 03:18 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M394P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:26 < mnemoc> rehi 03:29 < kasc> hi mnemoc 03:34 < kasc> mnemoc: you dont have a /var/adm/flists/openmotif at hand, do you? 03:34 < mnemoc> hi kasc, i don't have openmotif installed :( 03:35 -!- nookie [~nookie@M294P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:40 < kasc> well maybe somebody else will stumble over that... 03:51 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/new-rt.png 03:51 < rxr> more corrected data points 04:02 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD9E4F508.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:20 < rxr> but now i'm off 04:39 -!- _MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 05:15 -!- eV1L [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:15 -!- eV1L [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:19 -!- eV1L [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:19 -!- eV1L is now known as evil 05:20 < evil> hi guys is there anyone out willing to help me with a little rocklinux prob? 05:20 < evil> any help appreciated 05:21 -!- evil [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has left #rocklinux [] 06:03 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-141.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 06:20 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-165.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:20 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 07:38 -!- _MadTux is now known as MadTux 07:53 -!- BoS_ is now known as BoS 07:54 < daja77> MadTux: still here? 07:54 < MadTux> yes 07:54 < MadTux> how are u daja77? 07:55 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBEC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:55 < daja77> quite well execpt that lawn mover guy that is annoying me atm 07:55 < MadTux> mm.. 07:55 < daja77> so how are you? 07:56 < MadTux> I'm ok.. working late as u can see 07:56 < daja77> yeah indeed 07:56 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBE190.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:59 * daja77 working too 08:00 < MadTux> what are u working on? 08:00 < daja77> university stuff again 08:00 < daja77> and on hppa porting stuff when I have time for that 08:01 < MadTux> good boy. 08:01 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:20 < MadTux> ok good night. 08:20 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 08:31 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 08:31 < link_> hi all 08:32 < daja77> hi link_ 08:36 < netrunner> is it only with my mailreader that this comet.friend thread is broken apart? 08:48 < netrunner> moin btw :) 08:49 < daja77> hi netrunner 08:49 < daja77> there was a thread? ;-) 08:49 < netrunner> well, they all have the same subject ... 09:59 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-073-077.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:02 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-079-027.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:04 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:20 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-197-229.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:26 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-197-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:26 -!- ^evil [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:27 < ^evil> hi guys does anyone know where to find documentation or useful help on compiling a rocklinux kernel? 10:28 < ^evil> I ve been lookin around for a while tryin to compile different versions of the 2.6er Kernel without success 10:29 < ^evil> what do u have to do to specifically adapt a kernel on rock? 10:35 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CCE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:45 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:45 < ^evil> can anyone tell what specific adaptations have to be made for compiling a kernel from binaries under rock? 10:48 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:51 < dsoul> ^evil i think none :) 10:52 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:52 -!- rolla_ [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:55 < netrunne1> ^evil: look for the handbook on the website. 10:56 < netrunne1> ^evil: the "rocklinux kernel" is just a kernel. few patches are applied, in a running system you find them in /usr/src/linux26-patches 10:56 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 10:57 -!- rolla_ [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:57 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:00 < netrunner> ^evil: btw: how would you compile "from binary"? 11:03 < blindy> moin 11:05 < netrunner> hi blindy 11:05 < blindy> hi netrunner 11:06 < blindy> compile from binarly? 11:08 < netrunner> blindy: ^evil wanted to know how to compile a kernel from binary, dunno ;) 11:10 * netrunner trying the epia thing with gcc34 11:16 < blindy> good luck 11:18 -!- nookie [~nookie@M351P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:23 < kasc> moin 11:24 < ^evil> thx guys, been afk :) 11:24 < ^evil> my knowledge is limited as u've already noticed ;) 11:25 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M394P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:26 < ^evil> i am out for now , c u all 11:26 -!- ^evil [~skip_11@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:27 < daja77> O_o 11:29 < rxr> re 11:29 < daja77> hi rxr 11:31 < dsoul> hi rxr 11:32 < blindy> moin rxr 11:32 < th_> moin 11:32 < blindy> rxr: how's Berlin at this time of the year? 11:33 < dsoul> hi th_ 11:34 < th_> oh boy - everything is segfaulting in my desktop targets 11:34 < th_> what am i doing wrong? 11:35 < blindy> th_: glibc version update? 11:35 < netrunner> blindy: I'd say busy :) 11:35 < netrunner> th_: wrong optimisation 11:35 < netrunner> ? 11:35 < th_> glibc is 2.3.2 gcc-3 is 3.2.3 optimization is pentium-mmx 11:35 < blindy> netrunner: I'm asking because my employee wants to send me there for ~2years 11:36 < netrunner> blindy: I cannot stay there longer than a few weeks ;) 11:36 < blindy> netrunner: don't destroy my hopes :/ 11:36 < th_> btw. is there a way to know the optimization a binary was built for? 11:38 < netrunner> try it on various? ;) 11:39 < daja77> what does strace or ltrace tell about the segfaults 11:40 < th_> daja77: which want should i diagnose wirst? xawtv, evolution or old gimp? 11:40 < daja77> *shrug* just pick one 11:40 < daja77> but me is off now 11:42 < rxr> I like Berlin 11:42 < rxr> valentin: have you special notes about Berlin for blindy? 11:43 < rxr> th_: xawtv and the older gimp are affectedd, too? 11:43 < th_> rxr: yes 11:43 < valentin> moin 11:43 < rxr> th_: I used xastv often - it did not crash the last time I used it shourly before 2.0.x 11:43 < netrunner> th_: have you updated your glibc? 11:43 < valentin> blindy: berlin is warm 11:43 < rxr> th_: and the old gimp also worked the last time I clicked on it. 11:43 < netrunner> valentin: in all meanings of the word :) 11:44 < th_> netrunner: no i just installed a plain desktop target with glibc-2.3.2 11:44 < blindy> valentin: warm as in 40 degree Celsius? 11:44 < blindy> netrunner: heh 11:44 < th_> #0 0x08064b1a in ng_attr_getstr () 11:44 < th_> #1 0x080522f4 in toolkit_set_label () 11:44 < th_> #2 0x08061036 in attr_init () 11:44 < th_> #3 0x080548e5 in main () 11:44 < th_> that's the xawtv 11:44 < th_> nothing special 11:45 < netrunner> th_: if it is so many libs, there must be something central affected. 11:45 < valentin> blindy: no, but my room has approx 25 C which is about 5 degree to high 11:45 < th_> netrunner: yes - i think so too 11:46 < th_> ltrace -S (all system calls) on gimp takes quite a time ;) 11:47 < blindy> valentin: ah, ok 11:48 < th_> netrunner: but i will overwrite all packages with a fresh build from yesterday. 11:48 < th_> there is no sense in debugging a too old revision 11:48 < blindy> valentin: well, I'm sitting here near Munich with my coat on :/ 11:49 < esden> morning 11:50 < blindy> moin esden 11:50 < th_> hmmm /var/adm/packages/* could give a bit more information about confopts... optimization, compiler version... 11:51 < th_> i need to know these options on a per package basis 11:51 < rxr> th_: why, have you build them in single chunks? 11:52 < rxr> if not - they are all the same and in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG 11:52 < th_> rxr: some are emerged on the live system 11:52 < dsoul> hi esden 11:53 < th_> rxr: /etc/ROCK-CONFIG changes when building packages, doesn't it? 11:55 < th_> hmmm no does not 11:55 < th_> ok - so that could help a bit 11:55 < th_> but still - i need that on a per package basis... 11:56 < th_> at least some info 12:00 < th_> netrunner: do you have a desktop target handy. would like to check some of my crashs at your site... 12:15 < netrunner> hey cool, the binaries seem to work this time! ;) 12:15 < netrunner> (for epia) 12:15 < th_> netrunner: what epia hardware? 12:15 < netrunner> ezra core 1GHz 12:15 < netrunner> compiled for p3 without cmov 12:15 < th_> ezra... hmm that's not the Nehemiah C3 is it? 12:16 < netrunner> no, nemiah came after ezra 12:16 < th_> oh no - the nehemiah has cmov 12:17 * netrunner strokes gcc34 12:21 < rxr> netrunner: when have you seen Clifford the last time? 12:21 < netrunner> rxr: saturday evening 12:22 < rxr> what is his plan regarding applying patches? and generally continuing developing ROCK ? 12:22 < netrunner> iirc take a bunch of patches from submaster, do a full build, fix minor issues, reject major issues nad then apply. 12:24 < netrunner> he was quite busy organizing the linuxweeks austria last week(s). And then I shut down his build server because I could not sleep ;) 12:24 < th_> the old-gimp segfault dissappeared after reinstalling the system with a fresh build (stable-2.0 HEAD) desktop target without optimization 13:21 < blindy> urgs 13:21 < blindy> YasT2 on my ROCK Monitor :/ 13:22 < blindy> luckily, only X-Forwarded :) 14:00 -!- BoS is now known as BoS^afk 14:12 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:32 * netrunner has a font problem, anybody knows how to solve? 14:33 < netrunner> I have this in openoffice, when I type " some text after it dissapears, but it is still there. 14:33 < daja77> after that detailed description ... 14:33 < daja77> O_o 14:36 < netrunner> had this while writing on a document and continuously switching between linux/OO and windows/msword 14:37 * rxr does not use OpenOffice - no comment 14:38 < daja77> unfortunatly there is no better atm 14:39 < rxr> I only use stuff that compiles from source 14:39 < netrunner> :) 14:39 < rxr> and even if Kword has some tiny issues I prefer it 14:39 < blindy> rxr: OOo does compile. But it needs java and a ton of other thins IIRC :) 14:40 < rxr> blindy: I know this 14:40 < netrunner> rxr: is it possible to convert kword/winword in both directions? 14:40 < rxr> netrunner: Kword can only handle basic M$ documents w/ too much esoteric formating 14:40 < blindy> rxr: so your argument is invalid 14:40 < rxr> recently someone said OO can now be compiled without Java ... 14:41 < blindy> that would be nice :) 14:41 < daja77> jsaw iirc 14:41 < rxr> blindy: my argument is valid: no binary only crap on my boxes 14:42 < rxr> blindy: I only had only _one_ crashing problem with kword - and I was able to fix it in 1 1/2 hours _myself_ 14:42 < daja77> it might be valid when looking at kword but the other koffice apps are just crap 14:42 < rxr> and I even was able to improve table resizing in Kword in only 1+hour 14:42 < rxr> nah - kspread is usable too - the rest is not that usfull 14:43 < rxr> useful even 14:43 < daja77> kpresenter is garbage, for stuff like that you can either use OO or latex 14:43 < daja77> and I prefer the latter 14:47 < blindy> does anyone know of a UltraSPARC live Linux system? 14:48 < daja77> gentoo perhaps 14:50 -!- cap [~cap@p213.54.81.186.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:01 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:04 < nzg> moin 15:07 -!- Vroum is now known as Vr 15:07 < dsoul> hi nzg 15:10 -!- Vr [~vr@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has left #rocklinux [] 15:10 -!- Vr [~vr@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #rocklinux 15:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:45 -!- cap [~cap@p213.54.81.186.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["God plays ego shooters on quantum computers."] 15:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:55 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C0DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:04 < rxr> ouhm 16:04 < rxr> https://freedesktop.org/software/waimea 16:06 < daja77> hehe so what we need kde for ;-) 16:13 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CCE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:20 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Vr 16:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Vr 16:44 < mnemoc> rehi 16:44 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 16:45 < mnemoc> oh... what's that gnome foot doing in the corner of waimea? 16:45 < Vr> :) 16:45 < daja77> offering gnome menus perhaps 16:47 < mnemoc> hi daja77, Vr 16:47 < daja77> hi mnemoc 16:48 < Vr> hi mnemoc 16:50 < rxr> hi mnemoc 16:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr 16:51 * rxr away 16:51 < rxr> cu later 16:56 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-89-95.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 17:05 -!- _MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:05 < _MadTux> hey 17:05 < daja77> hey miguel 17:06 < _MadTux> hey Danny :) 17:08 < dsoul> hi _MadTux 17:14 < blokkie> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 17:14 < blokkie> See `config.log' for more details. 17:14 < blokkie> how do I fix this ? 17:15 < blokkie> daja77, it's thesame issue as yesterday , though this time I have a log file :-) 17:19 < netrunne1> blokkie: what package failed first? 17:19 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 17:19 < blokkie> this one 17:19 < blokkie> == 17:19:21 =[1]=> Building base/mktemp [1.5 2.0.2]. 17:20 < blokkie> I do get these segfaults in the beginning : 17:21 < blokkie> Making post-install adaptions. 17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 952: 13560 Segmentation fault umount -r -d -f $builddir/* 2>/dev/null 17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 953: 13561 Segmentation fault umount -r -d -f -l $builddir/* 2>/dev/null 17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 968: 13563 Segmentation fault umount -r -d -f $builddir 2>/dev/null 17:21 < blokkie> /home/blokkie/rock/rock-src-2.0.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 969: 13564 Segmentation fault umount -r -d -f -l $builddir 2>/dev/null 17:23 < mnemoc> wrong umount arch? 17:24 < mnemoc> hi netrunner, blokkie, _MadTux! 17:24 < mnemoc> hi dsoul too :) 17:25 * _MadTux doing high availability cluster stuff powered by the FLASK architecture aka SELInux :) 17:25 < dsoul> :) 17:25 < _MadTux> gee.. hell of a project :) 17:26 < mnemoc> good money? 17:27 < _MadTux> indeed :) 17:27 * _MadTux happy to finally have good work to do... damn financial pression have been killing me the past weeks 17:27 < blokkie> ok , but the umount error can't be the source of this error : configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 17:27 < blokkie> hi mnemoc 17:27 < _MadTux> still will kill me for at least 4 or 5 more ... but then i will start stabilizing 17:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: hui 17:29 < netrunner> blokkie: it is because not only mktemp fails, also some others will. 17:29 < blokkie> netrunner, yeah , if I let ./Build-Target run, all fail 17:30 < blokkie> all with thesame error : 17:30 < blokkie> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 17:30 < blokkie> --- BUILD ERROR --- 17:31 < daja77> what does config.log say 17:34 < blokkie> what should I be looking for ? 17:34 < daja77> for the error? 17:34 < blokkie> configure: caught signal 2 17:34 < blokkie> configure: exit 1 17:35 < blokkie> that's at the end of the file .. but I don't see errors 17:35 < daja77> what did it try before it threw that error mssage above? 17:36 < daja77> could you put it on a webserver perhaps 17:36 < blokkie> <flood> 17:36 < blokkie> ## ----------- ## 17:36 < blokkie> ## confdefs.h. ## 17:36 < blokkie> ## ----------- ## 17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "" 17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_NAME "mktemp" 17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_STRING "mktemp 1.5" 17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "mktemp" 17:36 < blokkie> #define PACKAGE_VERSION "1.5" 17:36 < blokkie> </flood> 17:36 < daja77> could please put the whole file on a webspace 17:37 < blokkie> can I mail it ? 17:43 < daja77> hm strange, this nocross thing doesn't seem to work 17:43 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-232.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:46 < netrunner> blookie: the error is not in this package, but in one of the failed before. 17:46 < blokkie> ok .. I'll rm the sources and start again 17:46 < netrunner> blokkie: no 17:47 < netrunner> blokkie: could you do a scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg yourcfg? one of the packages in stage 1 must have failed prior to this. 17:47 < blokkie> ok 17:47 < daja77> yep sounds reasonable 17:48 < blokkie> 871 builds total, 11 completed fine, 21 with errors. 17:48 < blokkie> You need the report ? 17:50 < daja77> yes 17:50 < blokkie> I'll mail 17:54 < daja77> ah k. almost everything in stage one fail including the kernel 17:55 < daja77> and glibc 17:56 < _MadTux> 0_o?! 17:56 < daja77> on amd64 17:56 < mnemoc> blokkie: don't you _ever_ continue building if something on stage <2 fails 17:57 < mnemoc> .oO( that was an afirmation, not a question )o 17:57 < blokkie> ok .. let me start all over again 17:57 < blokkie> can I do a Make super clean ? :-) 17:58 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Cleanup 17:58 < daja77> -full 17:58 < mnemoc> oh... -full 17:58 < blokkie> ok .. let me do that , and I'll do ./Build-target directly after that 17:59 < blokkie> is that better daja77 , instead of building the kernel now ? 17:59 < mnemoc> go to config and set abort-on-error and retry-failed 17:59 < daja77> blokkie: no 17:59 < daja77> it just takes longer ;-) 18:00 < daja77> you'll over the same errs i guess 18:01 < blokkie> ok .. kernel24 is compiling, lets wait and see what this sucka spews out 18:01 < daja77> ;-) 18:01 * _MadTux wonders if rock will ever move to kernel 2.6 as default.. 18:03 < daja77> you could toggle that 18:04 < blokkie> this takes a bit of time , so I'm buying drinks to kill the time :-) 18:04 < daja77> it should fail soon ^^ 18:05 < blokkie> _insert_sarcasme_ :-) 18:05 < daja77> ;-) 18:17 < blokkie> ERROR !!!! 18:17 < blokkie> whoo hoo 18:17 < daja77> hehe 18:17 < daja77> ok now tell us 18:17 < blokkie> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `misc.o' is incompatible with i386 output 18:17 < blokkie> make[2]: *** [bvmlinux] Segmentation fault 18:18 < daja77> i386 output? 18:18 < blokkie> I'll paste in PM the entire line 18:18 < rxr> re 18:18 < daja77> wb rxr 18:18 < blokkie> peace rxr ;)Ã 18:19 < dsoul> hi rxr 18:20 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, Lorini 18:20 < daja77> rxr: could it be that the default -march or -mcpu switch in x86 target breaks this? 18:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: netrunner, Lorini 18:25 < daja77> experienced such things while crosscompiling hppa, but different of course 18:27 < blokkie> it's not good anyway 18:27 < rxr> blokkie: what optimization did you selected? 18:27 < rxr> could you try if "generic" optimisation makes a difference ? 18:29 < daja77> haven't found any code in gcc-options that contains the -m64 flag 18:29 < daja77> just had a glance 18:29 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-89-95.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:36 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-89-95.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 18:37 < blokkie> sorry .. laptop battery was empty 18:37 < blokkie> rxr in ./Config I've set x86 generic >> AMD 64 Opteron 18:40 < daja77> hm why we have still a thunderbird package 18:41 < mnemoc> daja77: why not? 18:41 < daja77> cos firefox is the successor and we have a firefox package 18:42 < mnemoc> firebox=browser 18:42 < blokkie> firefox is the successor of firebird , which is the successor of phoenix 18:42 < mnemoc> thunderbird=mua 18:42 < daja77> ok than i confused that 18:42 < mnemoc> firefox even 18:43 < daja77> this renaming sucks anyway 18:43 < blokkie> yeah, that and 64bit compiling 18:43 < blokkie> :-) 18:43 < daja77> you are the first who can really test it :\ 18:44 < daja77> grep: package/rene/subversion=subversion-static/subversion=subversion-static.desc: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 18:44 < daja77> O_o 18:44 < mnemoc> daja77: ack :) 18:44 < mnemoc> daja77: what does it means? 18:45 < daja77> file or directory not found 18:45 < daja77> i should set a reasonable locale for that 18:45 < mnemoc> .rockrc :) 19:01 < blokkie> I've started now using cross-compiling 19:02 < daja77> hm 19:02 < blokkie> I don't have the knoledge to debug it 19:03 < blokkie> or to trace the source of the problem 19:09 < blokkie> that works liek a charm 19:09 < blokkie> s/liek/like 19:09 < blokkie> binutils is allready done 19:11 < daja77> <- off 19:12 < blokkie> bye daja77 , thx for your time 19:16 < blokkie> if I've finished ./Build-Target , can I do Build-ISO straight away ? 19:17 < dsoul> yes 19:18 -!- nookie [~nookie@M351P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M272P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:19 < blokkie> great 19:20 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:24 < blokkie> hi nzg 19:30 < netrunner> blokkie: almost, you'll need to build the bootdisk target also if you want the cd to be bootable 19:48 -!- [BNAFH]nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-022.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:49 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:53 * netrunner is utterly bored 20:32 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-89-95.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49 < rxr> re 20:50 < dsoul> hi rxr 20:52 < _MadTux> wb rxr 20:52 < netrunner> hi rxr 20:52 * netrunner building liquidwar to see if it casts away boredom 20:56 < rxr> netrunner: dive thre flyspray and fix bugs ;-)! 20:58 < netrunner> liquidwar doesn't work anyway (here) 20:58 < kasc> how come? 20:59 < netrunner> liquidwar: rawmidi.c:306: snd_rawmidi_open: Assertion `(inputp || outputp) && name' failed. 21:00 < kasc> hmm 21:06 < netrunner> rxr: any chance to rebuild .cache files next time? there's still the bug in flyspray about the sysfiles.cache containing errors 21:09 < rxr> netrunner: I already adviced this on rock-devel - but from all the many mails to clifford I have not got a single response ... 21:12 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39A1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:13 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808A58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:25 < netrunner> rxr: do it and send a patch ... or shall I do it? 21:26 < netrunner> we should do something like if >3 core developers vote for apply you can apply it or so. 21:26 < netrunner> this stalles the same way as it was when you did the apply stuff or better did it not while moving 21:26 < netrunner> or while having no inet 21:33 < rxr> netrunner: patch for cache files? - No way 21:34 < rxr> the tree maintainer has to generate it using his/hers usual reference build procedure 21:34 < rxr> I already applies many patches just so 21:34 < rxr> but I did not wanted to do too much of this due to: 21:34 < rxr> a) I do not want go on cliffords nerves 21:35 < rxr> b) have no CPU time to build 2.1-DEV currently 21:35 < Vr> w00 some activity today 21:35 < Vr> :) 21:35 < netrunner> the smiler is back 21:35 < rxr> my Athlon-XP is busy crunching benchmakrs ... 21:35 < Vr> netrunner: :) 21:35 < rxr> hi Vr 21:35 < Vr> hi rxr 21:35 < Vr> hi netrunner 21:35 < Vr> :) 21:37 < rxr> the new waimea renders a bit slow - but cool progress 21:37 < rxr> all the config stuff is xml now ... 21:40 -!- BoS^afk_ [~BoS@dialin-145-254-076-018.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:42 < dsoul> hi Vr :> 21:42 < Vr> hi dsoul :) 21:42 < Vr> :] 21:43 < dsoul> :P 21:44 -!- BoS^afk [~BoS@dialin-145-254-079-027.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:44 < Vr> :} 21:44 < dsoul> that will ends with bans :P 21:45 < Vr> :) 21:45 < Vr> ok ok 21:48 < netrunner> rxr: If you need cpu power, I can borrow some. just name revision and config. on the other hand I'll try to lobby a bit :) 21:52 < rxr> netrunner: I'm really more busy then usual - for the .cache this has to be done by the tree maintainer 21:52 < rxr> netrunner: for other stuff - just work independant, build fix, add stuff - follow your inspiration 21:54 < Vr> netrunner: me i need build and i've not good cpu 21:54 < Vr> :p 21:57 < mnemoc> *yawn* 21:58 < Vr> if you want 21:58 < dsoul> Vr i'll try to run a build server with 2x athlon 1800MP 2gb ram during vacations 21:59 < Vr> yes !! 21:59 < dsoul> You will just fill webform and wait few days for iso with your configiration do download :) 21:59 < Vr> hum 21:59 < Vr> YES !! 21:59 < Vr> i fill it 21:59 < Vr> where is it ? 21:59 < Vr> :) 22:00 < dsoul> Vr server is waiting form me when i'll have time to install software on it :) 22:00 < Vr> can i help you ? 22:01 < dsoul> if you hav some ideas, yes :) 22:01 < mnemoc> netrunner: why a _target_ for an arch? 22:01 < netrunner> dsoul: nice, I had this idea but never realy made it 'cause I have no spare bandwidth :) 22:02 < Vr> :) 22:02 < dsoul> netrunner i've got 155mbit freen on my university :) 22:02 < Vr> yes !! 22:02 < Vr> :) 22:02 < netrunner> mnemoc: historical? it has started like that, I didn't really bother 22:03 < netrunner> mnemoc: it is x86 arch anyway, just a subset. and it wants special patches for special optimization 22:06 < mnemoc> netrunner: new gcc versions can handle it properly? 22:07 < netrunner> mnemoc: with the patch, yes. 22:07 < mnemoc> if it needs a patch it doesn't ;) 22:07 < netrunner> (the patch removes cmov from ppro) 22:08 < netrunner> mnemoc: but the new one works with the patch, the old produced crappy code 22:08 < mnemoc> good 22:08 < mnemoc> new=3.4? 22:09 < netrunner> jup 22:27 -!- ^evil [eV1L@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < ^evil> hey stupid evil back again with another dumb question, I'd appreciate any help =/ 22:28 < dsoul> :> 22:29 < Vr> :) 22:29 -!- ^evil is now known as ^^evil 22:30 < Vr> don't ask to ask, just say hello and ask 22:31 -!- nookie [~nookie@M272P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:32 -!- nookie [~nookie@M272P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:32 -!- ^^evil [eV1L@dynadsl-080-228-94-193.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:33 < dsoul> :{ 22:33 < dsoul> :P 22:34 -!- tomasz [~tomaszw77@80.51.254.113] has joined #rocklinux 22:37 < Vr> :] 22:43 -!- tomasz [~tomaszw77@80.51.254.113] has quit [] 22:54 -!- [BNAFH]nzg is now known as nzg 22:55 < nzg> moin 22:56 < dsoul> hi nzg 22:57 < nzg> moin dsoul 23:04 < mnemoc> does OOo work with TEX? 23:06 < Vr> i think no 23:06 < mnemoc> :( 23:15 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808A58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: export or so maybe 23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: what other TeX integration do you mean? 23:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: you can edit tex source files as text files :) not more 23:34 < netrunner> ts, my gf sits front of her computer all day to learn webdesign :) 23:35 < netrunner> n8 23:36 < daja77> n8 netrunner 23:36 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-022.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: TeX format is control-version friendly, binary formats don't 23:41 < mnemoc> i liked wordperfect file format :| 23:41 < daja77> i actually do that with my tex documents 23:41 < mnemoc> daja77: export/import? 23:42 < daja77> openoffice is an xml format and it has a builtin rcs 23:42 < daja77> huh? no i wrote them as tex 23:42 < mnemoc> i'll have to learn tex 23:43 < daja77> it is a bit hard 23:43 < rxr> and stinks 23:43 < mnemoc> oh 23:43 < daja77> yes 23:43 < daja77> but there is no better tool for that price 23:44 < daja77> the challenge is to find the nice packages for the job 23:44 < mnemoc> daja77: any recomendation? 23:45 < daja77> depends on what you want to set up 23:46 < mnemoc> papers, curriculum, reports for univ.,... 23:46 < daja77> oh that's not so hard 23:46 < mnemoc> daja77: or a place to start my TeX journey 23:47 < daja77> the places where i started are in german ... 23:47 < mnemoc> :( 23:48 * rxr has a hard-cover book 23:48 < mnemoc> oreilly? 23:48 < rxr> but the more I use (La)TeX the more I dislike it ... 23:48 * daja77 too but that book is crap 23:48 < rxr> mnemoc: no :-( A german one, too 23:48 < mnemoc> damn 23:49 < rxr> I'll most probably convert the ROCK Handbook to docbook one day - fllowing the Subversion handbook style 23:49 < daja77> well that depends, sometimes I really hate until someone points me to a nice package which solves the problem in a nice way 23:49 < daja77> docbook sucks even more 23:49 < rxr> but I need to look into the docbook stuff at some point in the future 23:49 < daja77> i once used it, I doubt if I can set up all my stuff properly with that 23:51 < daja77> but I should look over the handbook src again, maybe there are things to improve 23:53 < mnemoc> daja77: then, what's your recomendation? 23:55 < daja77> perhaps that 23:55 < daja77> https://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/ 23:55 -!- _MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 23:56 < daja77> but really I haven't looked much on english documentation in that case 23:56 < mnemoc> anything to have in mind to export stuff to pdf later? 23:57 < daja77> you can use pdflatex to create pdf 23:57 < daja77> you could even create a menu structure by using the hyperref package 23:58 < mnemoc> bookmarked :) --- Log closed Fri Jun 04 00:00:23 2004