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--- Log opened Sat Jun 05 00:00:37 2004 00:27 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9E8EAFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:44 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-087.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:44 < nzg> moin 00:45 < rxr> moin 00:45 < mnemoc> moin :) 00:46 < StefanG> jo 01:02 -!- _MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 01:02 < _MadTux> re. 01:22 < mnemoc> hi tuxie 01:47 < nzg> uargh, windows provides a function to detect wether the system is slow or not 01:48 < lowy_> bool is_slow(){ return true; } ? 01:48 < nzg> no 01:48 -!- lowy_ is now known as LowLander 01:48 < nzg> it seems to be meant serious 01:49 < LowLander> i know 01:50 < nzg> GetSystemMetrics(SM_SLOWMACHINE) TRUE if the computer has a low-end (slow) processor, FALSE otherwise. 01:50 < nzg> but yes, i think it will almost always return true 01:58 < rxr> hm 01:59 < rxr> we need this in ROCK: 01:59 < rxr> if is_slow ; then 01:59 < rxr> use config accelerator using bash extensoin 01:59 < rxr> else 01:59 < rxr> we can use the old and slow method and do it in pure sed and awk 01:59 < rxr> fi 01:59 < rxr> this would rock 02:00 < rxr> and all people would get an equally slow ./scripts/Config ;-) 02:00 < nzg> ;-) 02:01 < mnemoc> =P 02:01 * _MadTux would i want an else for if is_slow? 02:01 < nzg> provide the users some more coffe-breaks 02:01 < _MadTux> i would want it fast.. as fast as possible 02:02 < nzg> i think it depends, sometimes, i want a reason fr getting up and make some coffe 02:03 < _MadTux> hehe 02:10 < nzg> ah, finally my coffe is ready... 02:11 < nzg> need some break from this ugly windows-crap 02:11 < nzg> why do those customers always want windows-software? 02:24 < rxr> nzg: vecause it if full of nifty "i f(is_slow()) sleeps (x); 02:24 < rxr> s/i f/if / ;-) 02:24 < rxr> and because 02:24 < rxr> damn I need to go into bed ... 02:25 < nzg> ;-) should to, but someone will stick his fist up my a*** if i don't finish this damn job till tomorrow... 02:26 < nzg> so i will stay up and my a*** virgin 02:29 < nzg> i'll get my sleep tomorrow afternoon, if i got the call that everything is working as intended... 02:43 < mnemoc> nzg: code over mono ;) winforms is now supported 02:45 < nzg> mnemoc: i prefer wxWindows normally, but if i want to be quick and get few money, i use c++builder 02:45 < nzg> this takes away the need to make the UI by hand... 02:46 < mnemoc> c# builder is nice too :) 02:47 < nzg> i won't even look at it, if i want c, i do c, no # needed for that... 02:47 * _MadTux slaps mnemoc... heretic.. 02:47 < nzg> it just would be nice if the kylix c-ide would run on rock... 02:47 < mnemoc> i love c# ;) 02:47 * _MadTux kicks mnemoc 02:48 < nzg> but it complains about some headers and i don't know how to fix this... 02:48 < mnemoc> nzg: publish your err file, maybe we can help ;) 02:48 < nzg> no err file... 02:48 < mnemoc> do the package! 02:49 < nzg> it installs perfectly (it's binary distributed... and you require a borland license key...) 02:49 < mnemoc> :( 02:49 < nzg> but if you tell it to start a new project it won't compile that project... 02:50 * rxr away ... 02:50 < mnemoc> cu rxre 02:50 < nzg> and CX-Builder uses wxWindows... 02:50 < nzg> n8 rxr 02:50 < rxr> cu all - n8 * 02:50 < nzg> so no need to buy CX as i can do that one with gcc or the open borland without problems 02:51 < nzg> if kylix would be free distributable and open source, i would have packaged it already 02:52 < _MadTux> ::METAL:: https://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls 02:52 < nzg> argh, i've just isdn... 02:53 < _MadTux> nzg, try. 02:53 < _MadTux> :) 02:53 < mnemoc> 28.8 here :( 02:53 < _MadTux> mnemoc, just try 02:53 < nzg> wow 02:53 < nzg> mnemoc: so you must need a week for Download -all i think 02:54 < mnemoc> i don't build at home ;) 02:55 < _MadTux> mnemoc, where do u build? 02:55 < nzg> me too... i'm waiting to get a weekend at a colleague of mine who has dsl... 02:55 < mnemoc> office 02:55 < mnemoc> _MadTux: 403 forbidden 02:55 < mnemoc> _MadTux: on the postgres server =) 02:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, hehe 02:56 < nzg> last time i downloaded everything was when i was inhouse at my boarding-school, a isdn-line shared with about 30 others...it took 5 days... 02:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, at work we just started a new project.. when we are at the testing stage.. i will give u a shell for u to make builds on the cluster 02:57 < _MadTux> as we need to test it :) 02:58 < mnemoc> i galdly test it 02:59 < _MadTux> sin veeguenza 02:59 < _MadTux> verguenza 03:00 < mnemoc> what? i would be doing you a afavor 03:00 < _MadTux> hehe yeah 03:00 < mnemoc> =P 03:00 < _MadTux> like if i had to force u to do it 03:01 < mnemoc> as a friend i would do it spontaneously 03:02 < _MadTux> how nice of u 03:02 < _MadTux> :) 03:02 < mnemoc> that's me ;) 03:06 < nzg> _MadTux: AddUrl doesn't open the link 03:06 * nzg using XMMS 03:06 < mnemoc> as i said previously, 403: Forbidden 03:06 < _MadTux> nzg, https://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls <- 03:06 < _MadTux> i just opened it and it works for me 03:07 < mnemoc> not for me 03:08 < nzg> noatun plays it... 03:08 < _MadTux> nzg, good. 03:08 < _MadTux> nzg, quality? 03:08 < _MadTux> mnemoc, weird. 03:08 < nzg> ok 03:09 < mnemoc> what does you logs said? 03:09 < _MadTux> let me see 03:10 < nzg> it has something of "thrash metal"... 03:11 < _MadTux> nothing on logs mnemoc 03:11 < nzg> i prefer dimmu borgir or cradle of filth... 03:12 < nzg> hm, this one sounds better... 03:12 < mnemoc> .pls file said File1=https://metal.hsol.net:8000/ :\ 03:12 < _MadTux> hehehe 03:14 < _MadTux> mmhh?! somone is trying to download one of my 1.5.17 isos.. 03:16 < nzg> it's quite some time ago, i did this... 03:16 < nzg> iirc this was the first rock i installed... 03:17 < _MadTux> nzg, no this logs are from a couple of minutes ago 03:17 < nzg> no, then it's not me 03:18 < _MadTux> still hey u used my 1.5.17 isos to get started? 03:18 < nzg> yes 03:18 < _MadTux> WOW. I feel honored. 03:18 < nzg> i was trying out some distros since suse didn't suffice my needs any more... 03:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M322P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:20 < nzg> and yes, i think around may 2002 03:20 < _MadTux> yes most people come to rock from suse, or similar 03:21 < _MadTux> hallo n00kie 03:21 < nzg> i used it until may last year... when i installed "night vision" 03:21 < _MadTux> nzg, back in those days i was doing a lot of stuff for rock i think 03:21 < nzg> also from isos... 03:23 < nzg> but since there was no gcc on the cd's i was not able to make use of it... no support for my nic, and no way to rebuild the kernel without compiler ;-) 03:23 < nzg> i was not watching ML or anything at the time i started... 03:23 < _MadTux> on the night vision u mean? 03:23 < nzg> yes, on the night vision 03:23 < _MadTux> hehe 03:24 < nzg> it was quite not funny... so next one was beta2 or something... 03:24 < _MadTux> hhmm.. 03:24 < nzg> i've a lot of old cd's with rock on it... 03:24 < _MadTux> hehe me too.. 03:25 < _MadTux> i started with 1.2 03:25 < _MadTux> years ago 03:25 < nzg> currently it's rc2 since those where the last isos i could persuade a friend to download 03:25 < _MadTux> i will rock again when i mange to get rock BOOTABLE isos to load on my sparc 03:25 < mnemoc> 1.4 :) 03:26 < mnemoc> but i didn't think about subscribing neither 03:26 < nzg> i would like to have the sparc first... 03:26 < _MadTux> nzg, well it took me quite a while to get mine.. such hardware is hard to get in .cr 03:27 < _MadTux> now i am doing selinux stuff for sparc.. currently the nsa officially supports only x86.. but i hope to get my stuff included sometime.. 03:27 < _MadTux> and try to get sponsors to send me cool hardware 03:27 < nzg> what is .cr (i know i'm uninformed) 03:27 < mnemoc> costra rica 03:27 < nzg> ah 03:28 < mnemoc> do u know what/where .cl is? 03:28 < nzg> i guess chile 03:29 < mnemoc> good! :) 03:29 < nzg> it should be south america... 03:29 < nzg> you told me once... 03:29 < mnemoc> :\ 03:29 < mnemoc> and, where is .cr? 03:30 < nzg> between panama and nicaragua 03:30 < mnemoc> don't google! 03:30 < nzg> not google... 03:30 < nzg> i'v a world-map on my desk... 03:31 < mnemoc> cheater 03:31 < nzg> jep, and i have a short penis ;-) 03:31 < mnemoc> i didn't wanted that detail :| 03:32 < nzg> i don't know wether the cheater-interview is available in english or not... 03:33 < nzg> "yes, i'm a cheater, and we cheat to replace the loss of self-confidence we gain through short penises..." 03:33 < nzg> "it makes us feel better if we cheat upon newbies and beat them..." 03:34 < _MadTux> hahaha 03:34 < mnemoc> :) 03:34 < nzg> it's quite funny 03:35 < nzg> that's what you learn at boarding-school 03:36 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M235P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:36 < nzg> 50 really crazy people inside one house and no one who is competent enough to control them... 03:40 < nzg> does anyone of you know apocalyptica? 03:41 * _MadTux does 03:41 < nzg> do you like it? 03:41 < _MadTux> yes. 03:42 < _MadTux> got mp3s for me? 03:42 < nzg> yes 03:42 < _MadTux> WEEH! 03:42 < _MadTux> where do i go? 03:42 < nzg> i have the reflections and plays metal by four cellos 03:42 < nzg> wayt a moment... 03:43 * mnemoc thought you were talking about 1dc-1ac hebrew literature :) 03:43 < _MadTux> c# fellows... 03:43 < mnemoc> :p 03:43 < nzg> no, about really good music... 03:44 * _MadTux 's favorite .. master of puppets :) 03:45 * nzg 's favorites: Toreador 2 and harmageddon 03:46 < nzg> https://cjd.homelinux.net/Apocalyptica/ 03:46 * mnemoc has IV esdra and etiopic enoch in front of him :p that's Apocalyptica to me 03:46 < nzg> but be patient... only 8kB/s upstream 03:47 < nzg> and yes, i know... it's some quite old apache and linux 03:48 < nzg> i had nothing else than suse 6.0 around when i moved into this flat and i needed to install this damn box so i could get online since i had no isdn on the previously installed debian 03:48 * mnemoc will go to get some food.... brb 03:48 < _MadTux> mnemoc, enjoy 03:48 < _MadTux> nzg, its ok.. i have time.. i want those mp3 :) 03:49 < nzg> k, i'll be here until dawn which means at least 3 more hours... 03:49 < nzg> then i go to the boarding-school for breakfast 03:49 < _MadTux> excellent.. so then lets do some chatting 03:50 < nzg> 196.40.25.179 - - [05/Jun/2004:02:50:23 +0000] "GET /Apocalyptica/Play%20Metallica%20by%20four%20Cellos/?D=A HTTP/1.0" 200 2101 03:50 < nzg> that must be you ;-) 03:50 < _MadTux> ack. 03:51 < nzg> wow... it's really getting hot in here... maybe because im on some coffe ;-) 03:52 < _MadTux> a cold shower cold help.. 03:54 < nzg> there is a nasty old person living in the flat below mine... 03:54 < _MadTux> god.. it really is slow 03:54 < _MadTux> define nasty 03:54 < nzg> last time he called my school because he felt disturbed by my chair rolling on the floor 03:54 < _MadTux> hehe... 03:56 < nzg> no, not hehe, it took away one hour of my leisure-time 03:57 < nzg> "oh you stood up - good, the headmaster want's to see you in ten minutes..." 03:57 < _MadTux> fscking oldy 03:58 < nzg> "hm>wtf are you doing all the night blabla..." 03:59 < nzg> he also threatened me with calling the police because i phoned one entire night with a girl i was interested in... 03:59 < _MadTux> answer: coding. 03:59 < _MadTux> well thats none in his god damn business 03:59 < nzg> "hm>you are a pupil of mine, if you don't concentrate on school i'll expell you" 04:00 < _MadTux> god 04:00 < _MadTux> did u kill him already? 04:00 < nzg> i had this discussions quite often after i registered my own buisness 04:00 < nzg> no, i didn't 04:00 < _MadTux> nzg, NICE music :) 04:00 * _MadTux listening to enter sadman :) 04:01 < nzg> but i got elected prefect this year and bother him with the mistakes he does quite often 04:01 < nzg> thx, yes it is 04:01 * nzg listening to conlusion 04:01 < nzg> s/conlusion/conclusion 04:02 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p54803567.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p548033FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:02 < _MadTux> wb blindy's ghost 04:04 < nzg> currently my hm wants to sue me because some of mine and me took some of the 5thgraders, and emptied some buckets of water onto them 04:05 < _MadTux> pick him nex time 04:05 < _MadTux> next 04:06 < nzg> yeah something like this... i show him my middle-finger because i leave school in a few weeks ;-) 04:07 < _MadTux> :) 04:07 < nzg> i need one more exam in english since i messed up the written exam in english and then i finally have my A-level 04:07 < nzg> otherwise i have none :[ 04:08 * nzg making the next cup of coffe... 04:13 < nzg> aah... 04:19 * _MadTux listning master of puppets... VERY good stuff nzg thanks for sharing this with me 04:19 < _MadTux> mnemoc, still alive? 04:20 < nzg> np _MadTux 04:21 < nzg> last year i was on a concert of them in cologne - it was really cool 04:25 < mnemoc> re 04:25 < _MadTux> who ever cares: https://projects.hsol.net/semilla/semillaII_trailer2.mpg 04:25 < _MadTux> mnemoc, welcome back 04:25 < mnemoc> thanks _MadTux 04:26 < _MadTux> mnemoc, how was food? 04:27 < mnemoc> good :) 04:27 < nzg> wb mnemoc 04:28 < mnemoc> thanks nzg 04:55 < _MadTux> ok folks time to go home 04:55 < _MadTux> night all. 04:56 < nzg> k, n8 _MadTux 04:56 < mnemoc> n8 mistik1 04:56 < mnemoc> aarg... 04:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, u seem to be sleepy 04:56 * mnemoc kicks _MadTux underscore 04:56 < _MadTux> nzg, i will continue the download tomorrow is it is ok with u 04:56 < nzg> btw, seems like i'm nearly finished with my work 04:57 < nzg> _MadTux: np, just remind me to update the dyndns-record, i don't use it often ;-) 04:57 < _MadTux> nzg, okis.. 04:57 < _MadTux> ok 4 mins to get one last song: 04:58 < mnemoc> nzg: ddclient :-) 04:58 < nzg> mnemoc: the i need to fiddle around with this damn old system again... 04:59 < nzg> i won't change anything on it until i get to a new flat where i have dsl and don't need the isdn-crap anymore 05:00 < mnemoc> :) 05:01 < nzg> and i won't install it on my main-box anyway... 05:01 < _MadTux> Ok my friends, I regret to announce this is the end. Good bye. 05:01 < _MadTux> cya tomorrow :) 05:01 < mnemoc> cu 05:01 < nzg> n8 _MadTux 05:01 -!- _MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:01 < nzg> jo, cu 05:11 < nzg> i want another pc to do the windows-crap on 05:11 < nzg> win inside vmware is _really_ slow 05:11 < mnemoc> vmware is _really_ slow 05:14 < nzg> yes, but the only way to have a windows to work with and still use linux for the private stuff and communications at the same time... 05:14 < nzg> wine is faster but doesn't support borland's applications correctly... maybe because of the damn properitary vcl 05:15 < nzg> and c-builder always hangs up after linking when running inside wine... 05:16 < nzg> vc6 opens a wine-console which displays the compiler-output and closes after the compile is done... 05:16 < nzg> so no alternative 05:23 < mnemoc> :( 05:24 < nzg> so... finally it's running 05:24 < nzg> now i write the e-mail where i uploaded the files and hope i will not get called to add any feature( or fix a bug) 05:27 < mnemoc> brb 06:03 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-220.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 06:06 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-154.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:06 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 06:17 -!- brandon|dead [~maccorin@218.232.204.68.cfl.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 06:17 < brandon|dead> hello? 06:20 < brandon|dead> are there binary builds of rock linux for sparc available anywhere? 06:25 < nzg> don't know 06:25 < nzg> maybe ask on the mailinglist 06:26 < mnemoc> re 06:27 < nzg> wb mnemoc 06:27 < brandon|dead> ok, i'll try the mailing list maybe, i'm just looking for various options right now 06:28 < mnemoc> brandon|dead: if someone has sparc bins consider yourself _very_ lucky 06:28 < brandon|dead> lol, ok 06:28 < brandon|dead> several distro's have them... i wasn't sure about rock, thanks though 06:29 < mnemoc> rock is not a distro, public isos (any arch) are just a sample of what rock does 06:29 < brandon|dead> yea, i gathered that 06:29 < brandon|dead> i don't have a lot of time (4 hours to be exact) 06:29 < mnemoc> oh 06:30 < nzg> mnemoc: it should be possible to cross-build them on a x86 if i'm right 06:30 < mnemoc> yeap 06:30 < mnemoc> but only stage 1 06:30 < nzg> brandon|dead: in that case: www.linuxiso.org 06:30 < brandon|dead> hmmm... that makes it a bit more possible, i can build it while i'm out of town on my laptop 06:30 < nzg> can't that be used as a base for the further build on the sparc? 06:31 * nzg is not really far into this stuff 06:31 < mnemoc> stage-1 is some kit of 'base' 06:31 < mnemoc> kind* 06:31 < brandon|dead> how active is the sparc development on rock? 06:31 < mnemoc> you can make it boot and you will have shell and a working gcc 06:32 < brandon|dead> ic 06:32 < mnemoc> that's stage-1 06:32 < mnemoc> natively you can reach stage-9 06:32 < nzg> i just remember, that when i tried lfs i made i first had to create a statically linked environment which i booted to build the rest 06:33 < nzg> can that be compared to stage-1? 06:33 < brandon|dead> so i can build a stage-1 on my x86 box, then when i get back, start adding the stuff i want? 06:33 < mnemoc> yes 06:33 < brandon|dead> nativly, on the sparc box 06:33 < brandon|dead> ok 06:34 < nzg> i know, i should read mor of the docs ;-) 06:34 < mnemoc> you have to select 'cross-build' in Config (on your x86), then you will be able to build a boot disk and a 'base' 06:34 < brandon|dead> one more question, rock linux is nothing like gentoo is it (except the source based... obviously) 06:34 < nzg> ;-) 06:35 < mnemoc> gentoo has taken some features from rock to improve their process 06:35 * brandon|dead isn't a very big gentoo fan ;) 06:35 < mnemoc> rock is to design, build and burn your customed and optimized distro 06:36 < mnemoc> G* is a pimp sourcebased distro 06:36 < brandon|dead> heh 06:36 < mnemoc> =) 06:36 < nzg> this topic seems to come up once a week ;-) 06:36 < brandon|dead> lol 06:36 < mnemoc> :-) 06:36 < brandon|dead> sorry, wasn't trying to start a flame war 06:37 < nzg> mnemoc: didn't rxr say something about not picking at other projects ? ;-) 06:37 < nzg> brandon|dead: i don't think you did 06:37 < mnemoc> don't worry 06:37 < mnemoc> G* people loves to flame us... but we don't care 06:37 < nzg> *rofl* 06:37 < mnemoc> :-) 06:37 < brandon|dead> lol 06:38 < brandon|dead> i love to flame G* people 06:39 < nzg> maybe someone can add something about the differences between rock and G* to the hp ;-) 06:39 < mnemoc> they have very good people on their comunity, sadly they insist to be something they aren't 06:40 < nzg> mnemoc: have they ever said something about being a DBK? 06:40 < mnemoc> implicitly 06:41 < mnemoc> their 'META' s.th 06:41 < brandon|dead> lol 06:41 * brandon|dead is getting annoyed at the # of viable options for his sparc box 06:41 < mnemoc> they _are_ a very customizable soruce based distro, but nothing more than a source based distro 06:42 < mnemoc> users get confused 06:44 < nzg> by the way, i've friend of mine who's interested in a ROCK-BSD, is this already working or still just a plan 06:44 < brandon|dead> i'm currently arguing w/ myself, i have debian on this thing right now, i can't decide between doing the rock linux thing w/ it, or attempting LFS on sparc64... i'm guessing that may get a bit messy 06:44 < nzg> iirc i once saw a *bsd package somewhere... 06:45 < nzg> if you don't have really _much_ free time, spare yourself the lfs-thing 06:45 < brandon|dead> lol, i've done lfs on x86, i know the time it takes :) 06:45 < brandon|dead> i think i'm just gonna gave to wait till i get back in town no matter what i choose though 06:45 < nzg> ;-) 06:46 < brandon|dead> so that 4 hour thing... is kinda shot 06:47 < nzg> you have 4hours to make your choice? 06:47 < brandon|dead> naw, i was gonna install it before i left for my flight 06:47 < brandon|dead> that's why i was looking for a binary distro 06:48 < nzg> oh 06:48 < brandon|dead> but... i guess that's prolly not gonna work out, the only binary distro i can find that's really an option is debian, which is what i'm dumping 06:48 < brandon|dead> i wish slack hadn't dropped sparc support :( 06:49 < nzg> what about {redhat,suse} 06:49 < nzg> they've sparc too 06:50 < mnemoc> nzg: rock-2.1 will be able to build for different kernels 06:50 < brandon|dead> nzg | i said viable ;p 06:50 < brandon|dead> or i should have 06:50 < mnemoc> brandon|dead: if you can't find a prebuilt, use rock instad of lfs 06:51 < nzg> mnemoc: hm k, i'll tell him 06:52 < brandon|dead> mnemoc | yea, i'll try rock i think when i get back 06:52 < nzg> and i'll try to abuse my vmware to try a rock with hurd 06:52 < brandon|dead> mnemoc | i just got a bit worried cause the last update about sparc i could find on the site was 2002, so i wasn't sure if it was still maintained, and a binary woulda been nice cause i could have immediate gratification, but oh well 06:55 < brandon|dead> well, thanks, i'm gonna go get some food 06:55 -!- brandon|dead is now known as brandon|deader 06:57 < nzg> uargh, it turned light outside again 06:58 < mnemoc> good morning nzg :-) 06:58 < nzg> good morning mnemoc 06:59 < nzg> it should be around 3am at yours iirc 07:03 * nzg is just making his good morning coffe and his good mornig cigarette 07:14 < mnemoc> nzg: 1am 07:14 < nzg> so not that late 07:14 < nzg> when do you have to get up in the morning? 07:15 < mnemoc> 7am 07:16 < nzg> seems like you won't get much sleep tonight ;-) 07:18 < mnemoc> you neither :-) 07:21 * mnemoc away.... coffee 07:21 < nzg> yes, seems like another night over without sleep, and this evening i'm going to a rpg-party 07:21 < mnemoc> :) 07:21 < nzg> so i hopei'm not too tired the 07:21 < nzg> n 07:22 < nzg> i'm currently at the fifth cup or so 07:22 < nzg> at least i'm finished with my work for now 07:35 -!- brandon|deader [~maccorin@218.232.204.68.cfl.rr.com] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 07:42 < nzg> so, i'm going offline now, take a shower and go to school to get some breakfast... 07:42 < nzg> cya 07:42 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-087.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 07:51 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802740.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:58 -!- LowLander [erwin@p548027F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:43 -!- BoS___ [~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-116.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:45 -!- BoS______ [~BoS@dialin-145-254-077-238.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:55 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D24B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:09 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D5F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:26 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-026.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:34 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-245.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:34 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 10:45 < netrunner> moin 10:53 < dsoul> hi netrunner 11:19 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M350P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:26 < rxr> moin 11:26 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-athlon-rt.png 11:26 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-athlon-bt.png 11:27 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-g3-rt.png 11:27 < dsoul> hi rxr 11:27 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-g3-bt.png 11:27 < rxr> hi dsoul 11:29 < daja77> strange 11:30 < daja77> what is with those builds where no seconds are given, were they aborted? 11:36 < blindy> moin 11:36 < dsoul> hi blindy 11:37 < rxr> daja77: there is no way to inject CFLAGS in the kernel 11:37 < rxr> to the numers are a make oldconfig (so defconfig) anyway - optimizing for pentium4 11:38 < daja77> not even in Makefile? 11:38 -!- nookie [~nookie@M322P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:38 < rxr> especially not in the makefile 11:38 < daja77> ic 11:38 < rxr> i once saw a config option for it ... 11:39 < rxr> in rock it is wasy - the gcc wrapper just does the job ... 11:40 < daja77> there is a HOSTCFLAGS var in Makefile 11:40 < daja77> and CFLAGS too 11:41 < rxr> yes - and when you set them the kernel doesn not build anymore 11:41 < rxr> because all the other -I and so onf stuff does not get added, because you overwrote it on the make argument line ... 11:42 < rxr> been there, done that ... 11:42 < daja77> sounds nasty 12:23 < blindy> hmm nice 12:23 < blindy> compared to Munich, the rent in Berlin is really cheap 12:38 < daja77> are you surprised by that? 13:00 < blindy> no 13:00 < blindy> as I've known before that Munich is the most expensive city in .de wrt. rent 13:00 < daja77> ;-) 13:01 < blindy> friend of mine who recently moved from Munich to Berlin said that Munich is 50% more expensive than Berlin 13:02 < daja77> and it is still cheaper here ;-) 13:03 < blindy> now I just have to convince my employer to pay me ~500 EUR more :-) 13:03 < daja77> ^^ 13:54 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-192-108.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-026.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:09 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:10 < Lorini> moin 14:11 < netrunner> hi Lorini 14:12 < Lorini> hi netrunner 14:13 * netrunner going swimming 14:13 < Lorini> oh.. *brr* 14:14 < netrunner> this damn dvdrip uses both cpus, can hardly build ... 14:28 < blindy> hi Lorini 14:28 < Lorini> huhu blindy 14:45 * blindy off to the gym 16:30 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-192-108.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:30 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-198-014.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:06 < blindy> re 17:06 < mnemoc> re blindy 17:11 < mnemoc> https://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mingw <--- is this broken for everyone or only to me? 17:11 < tfing> hi blindy and mnemoc 17:11 < blindy> b0rken 17:11 < blindy> hi tfing 17:12 < mnemoc> hi tfing 17:12 < mnemoc> thanks blindy 17:12 < tfing> broken from here too 17:13 < mnemoc> sf is pathetic :| 17:22 < mistik1> sf.net cvs is a frigging waste of time 17:22 < mistik1> been trying to get some bug fixes all friggin week 17:23 < mnemoc> their mysql stinks too 17:23 < daja77> cvs is a waste of time anyway 17:23 < mnemoc> hi daja77 17:23 < daja77> hi mnemoc 17:37 -!- seek_the_reality [~seek_the_@65.199.129.40] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < seek_the_reality> hi all 17:41 < fake> "About 30 computers. I'll be having a few other people help me, maybe 3 or 4 others. We'll be doing manual installs as far as I know at this point in time, but I still have some time to think it through." 17:41 < fake> boy, i love this gentoo-quotes-page 17:41 < fake> 30 computers by source, all the same *rofl* 17:43 < fake> "I think 10 minutes server downtime once a couple of months (or even less frequently) due to compiling updates, is not much of an issue. Other packages can compile while the server is up and running, it reduces performance, but not for too long as to call it important. At least this has been my experience." 17:44 < Lorini> hi fake 17:44 -!- seek_the_reality [~seek_the_@65.199.129.40] has left #rocklinux [] 17:45 < blindy> hi fake 17:46 < fake> "I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat." 17:46 < fake> *wechrofl* 17:46 < fake> hi Lorini, hi blindy 17:47 < blindy> fake: interesting reading, isn't it? *fg* 17:47 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49 < fake> it's great 18:05 < mnemoc> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-06/msg00264.html 18:23 < fake> mnemoc: page-long discussions with no decisions ;) 18:23 < mnemoc> they love them :\ 18:24 < daja77> for most of the requirements subversion would fit in nicely, strange that they onl refer to monotone 18:24 < mnemoc> no answers from svn developers 18:24 < daja77> on the list or in general 18:25 < mnemoc> in gcc list 18:25 < daja77> maybe they are not subscribed 18:26 < daja77> if they have questions to the svn ppl they should ask them and not waiting for them to show up on their list 18:27 < mnemoc> he _wants_ to use monotone 18:27 < daja77> well than he should say that, besides that i can't find any hints why monotone ruled subversion out 18:29 < daja77> i hate this debian centric documentation 18:31 < daja77> it even has less features 18:32 < daja77> they must hate subversion, they haven't even linked to that, only to dead/broken packages like arch 18:34 < mnemoc> .oO( i use/like arch )o 18:34 < daja77> no you use a fork of arch 18:35 < daja77> mnemoc: have you read the monotone docs? 18:35 < mnemoc> not yet 18:36 < mnemoc> oh... that's what you mean by dead arch :-) 18:36 < daja77> sounds not that nice 18:37 < daja77> they haven't linked to tla either 18:40 < mnemoc> monotone rationale is discusting o_O 18:41 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 18:52 < daja77> full ack 18:52 < daja77> it just sucks, really wondering why they consider it instead of subversion 18:57 < mnemoc> have you read about cognitive hidden traps? 18:58 < daja77> no i only read, we don't support http anymore and after that I only gave it a quick reading 18:59 < daja77> so what's about them 18:59 < daja77> I hate their way of doin branches 18:59 < mnemoc> cognitive hidden traps is about how the mind works 18:59 < daja77> ah 19:00 < daja77> bbl 19:00 < mnemoc> if he is too related to monotone he will never see it's main failures 19:03 < daja77> it can't compete to subversion, this sounds to me like we have to use that cos it is gpl 19:03 < daja77> and thi sucks 19:03 < daja77> this 19:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M471P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M350P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:43 < daja77> re 19:56 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:57 < MadTux> hi. 19:57 < mnemoc> question: is it required that every single file of the project has the opyright header? 19:57 < mnemoc> tuxie! 19:58 < MadTux> in my opinion it isnt. 19:58 < MadTux> image the reduction of the size of the src removing that 19:58 < MadTux> how are u mnemoc 19:58 < daja77> hi MadTux 19:58 < MadTux> hi danny 19:59 < daja77> bbl 19:59 < MadTux> ok daja77 20:00 < mnemoc> OT: what are the permissions of a symlink? 20:00 < MadTux> 777 20:01 < mnemoc> yes but what does it means? 20:01 < MadTux> rwx for u-g and a 20:01 < mnemoc> aaarg 20:01 < MadTux> mnemoc: what is the problem? 20:01 < Lorini> hi MadTux 20:02 < MadTux> the bin will in the end define the real perms 20:02 < mnemoc> /etc/locatime is 777 20:02 < MadTux> Schatzi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:02 < mnemoc> a symlink 20:02 < mnemoc> hi Lorini 20:02 < Lorini> hi mnemoc :) 20:02 < mnemoc> but only root can remove it 20:02 < MadTux> ack 20:02 < mnemoc> then, which are the permissions of a symlink? 20:03 < MadTux> did u try to remove the file as a non-root user? 20:04 < mnemoc> $ rm localtime 20:04 < mnemoc> rm: remove symbolic link `localtime'? y 20:04 < mnemoc> rm: cannot remove `localtime': Permission denied 20:07 < mnemoc> .oO( i think this is not a silly question )o 20:09 < MadTux> yes interesting behavior.. i never wondered this myself.. 20:10 -!- ku [~maggesi@pcmath208.unice.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 -!- ku [~maggesi@pcmath208.unice.fr] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 20:13 -!- ku [~maggesi@pcmath208.unice.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 -!- ku [~maggesi@pcmath208.unice.fr] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 20:46 < netrunner> re 20:47 < Lorini> wb netrunner 20:47 < netrunner> mnemoc: if you cannot remove a file you have write access to, the fs may be mounted ro 21:25 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:36 < SMP> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 21:36 < SMP> 21824 stefanp 15 0 313m 233m 35m S 0.3 23.2 29:42.87 kicker 21:37 < SMP> unbelieveable 21:37 < StefanG> why? :) 21:39 < daja77> ouch 21:54 < mnemoc> re 21:55 < MadTux> wb mnemoc 21:55 < mnemoc> netrunner: now i realized you need 'w' access to the directory to create or remove a file 21:55 < mnemoc> tuxie :) 22:33 * daja77 currently installing reactos in bochs 22:41 < mnemoc> any particular reason or just playing? 22:41 < daja77> playing 22:42 < daja77> btw i got pointed to qemu which should be faster than bochs, if so i should package it 22:42 < daja77> i'd like to test rock in an emulator besides vmware 22:43 < mnemoc> qemu? 22:44 < daja77> yep, nice it emulates even powerpc and arm 22:44 < mnemoc> oh 22:47 < mnemoc> wow... it looks _very_ nice 22:47 < daja77> yep 22:48 < mnemoc> https://www.morphix.org/modules/xoopsgallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31&page=1 22:48 < SMP> https://www.sat.qc.ca/the_user/dotmatrix/en/intro.html 22:49 < mnemoc> =) 22:53 < mnemoc> .oO( i didn't know morphix' installer is a gnome env )o 23:04 < rxr> re 23:05 < MadTux> hi rxr 23:05 < mnemoc> hi rxr 23:06 < mnemoc> rxr: don't you want to try your benchmarks inside qemu? ;) 23:07 < rxr> no 23:07 < rxr> btw - I now qumu already for some time - follow it's development for over half a year now ... 23:07 < daja77> you like it? 23:08 < rxr> qemu even 23:08 < mnemoc> you like it? 23:08 < rxr> should - should be faster than bochs - but I ahve not tried it me -ENOTIME ... 23:08 < rxr> IIRC peachpc (@ sf.net) is also based on it 23:08 < rxr> runs MacOSX on x86 23:09 < rxr> but I also did not try that ... 23:09 < mnemoc> .oO( peachpc? what kind of name is that? )o 23:12 < mnemoc> pearpc :-) 23:13 < daja77> what the heck is libasound 23:14 < daja77> and why does qemu needs to link against it >_< 23:24 < daja77> strange libasound is installed but not found 23:25 < mnemoc> usr/local ? 23:25 < daja77> ah it tries to link static >_< 23:25 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 23:25 < daja77> and the static lib is not there 23:26 < mnemoc> can i say `find` to output quoted? (file names with spaces to be used in a for loop) 23:29 < daja77> this sucks 23:31 < mnemoc> this too 23:51 < rxr> daja77: libasound -> ALSA ... 23:52 < daja77> yeah found that out :) 23:52 < daja77> wow qemu is really fast 23:57 < mnemoc> rxr: is ENOTIME the only reason to not benchmark qemu? --- Log closed Sun Jun 06 00:00:41 2004