--- Log opened Sat Jun 05 00:00:37 2004
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00:44 < nzg> moin
00:45 < rxr> moin
00:45 < mnemoc> moin :)
00:46 < StefanG> jo
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01:02 < _MadTux> re.
01:22 < mnemoc> hi tuxie
01:47 < nzg> uargh, windows provides a function to detect wether the system is slow or not
01:48 < lowy_> bool is_slow(){ return true; }  ?
01:48 < nzg> no
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01:48 < nzg> it seems to be meant serious
01:49 < LowLander> i know
01:50 < nzg> GetSystemMetrics(SM_SLOWMACHINE)	TRUE if the computer has a low-end (slow) processor, FALSE otherwise.
01:50 < nzg> but yes, i think it will almost always return true
01:58 < rxr> hm
01:59 < rxr> we need this in ROCK:
01:59 < rxr> if is_slow ; then
01:59 < rxr>    use config accelerator using bash extensoin
01:59 < rxr> else
01:59 < rxr>    we can use the old and slow method and do it in pure sed and awk
01:59 < rxr> fi
01:59 < rxr> this would rock
02:00 < rxr> and all people would get an equally slow ./scripts/Config ;-)
02:00 < nzg> ;-)
02:01 < mnemoc> =P
02:01  * _MadTux would i want an else for if is_slow?
02:01 < nzg> provide the users some more coffe-breaks
02:01 < _MadTux> i would want it fast.. as fast as possible
02:02 < nzg> i think it depends, sometimes, i want a reason fr getting up and make some coffe
02:03 < _MadTux> hehe
02:10 < nzg> ah, finally my coffe is ready...
02:11 < nzg> need some break from this ugly windows-crap
02:11 < nzg> why do those customers always want windows-software?
02:24 < rxr> nzg: vecause it if full of nifty "i f(is_slow()) sleeps (x);
02:24 < rxr> s/i f/if / ;-)
02:24 < rxr> and because
02:24 < rxr> damn I need to go into bed ...
02:25 < nzg> ;-) should to, but someone will stick his fist up my a*** if i don't finish this damn job till tomorrow...
02:26 < nzg> so i will stay up and my a*** virgin
02:29 < nzg> i'll get my sleep tomorrow afternoon, if i got the call that everything is working as intended...
02:43 < mnemoc> nzg: code over mono ;) winforms is now supported
02:45 < nzg> mnemoc: i prefer wxWindows normally, but if i want to be quick and get few money, i use c++builder 
02:45 < nzg> this takes away the need to make the UI by hand...
02:46 < mnemoc> c# builder is nice too :)
02:47 < nzg> i won't even look at it, if i want c, i do c, no # needed for that...
02:47  * _MadTux slaps mnemoc... heretic..
02:47 < nzg> it just would be nice if the kylix c-ide would run on rock...
02:47 < mnemoc> i love c# ;)
02:47  * _MadTux kicks mnemoc
02:48 < nzg> but it complains about some headers and i don't know how to fix this...
02:48 < mnemoc> nzg: publish your err file, maybe we can help ;)
02:48 < nzg> no err file...
02:48 < mnemoc> do the package! 
02:49 < nzg> it installs perfectly (it's binary distributed... and you require a borland license key...)
02:49 < mnemoc> :(
02:49 < nzg> but if you tell it to start a new project it won't compile that project...
02:50  * rxr away ...
02:50 < mnemoc> cu rxre
02:50 < nzg> and CX-Builder uses wxWindows...
02:50 < nzg> n8 rxr
02:50 < rxr> cu all - n8 *
02:50 < nzg> so no need to buy CX as i can do that one with gcc or the open borland without problems
02:51 < nzg> if kylix would be free distributable and open source, i would have packaged it already
02:52 < _MadTux> ::METAL:: http://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls
02:52 < nzg> argh, i've just isdn...
02:53 < _MadTux> nzg, try.
02:53 < _MadTux> :)
02:53 < mnemoc> 28.8 here :(
02:53 < _MadTux> mnemoc, just try
02:53 < nzg> wow
02:53 < nzg> mnemoc: so you must need a week for Download -all i think
02:54 < mnemoc> i don't build at home ;)
02:55 < _MadTux> mnemoc, where do u build?
02:55 < nzg> me too... i'm waiting to get a weekend at a colleague of mine who has dsl...
02:55 < mnemoc> office
02:55 < mnemoc> _MadTux: 403 forbidden
02:55 < mnemoc> _MadTux: on the postgres server =)
02:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, hehe
02:56 < nzg> last time i downloaded everything was when i was inhouse at my boarding-school, a isdn-line shared with about 30 others...it took 5 days...
02:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, at work we just started a new project.. when we are at the testing stage.. i will give u a shell for u to make builds on the cluster
02:57 < _MadTux> as we need to test it :)
02:58 < mnemoc> i galdly test it
02:59 < _MadTux> sin veeguenza
02:59 < _MadTux> verguenza
03:00 < mnemoc> what? i would be doing you a afavor
03:00 < _MadTux> hehe yeah
03:00 < mnemoc> =P
03:00 < _MadTux> like if i had to force  u to do it
03:01 < mnemoc> as a friend i would do it spontaneously
03:02 < _MadTux> how nice of u 
03:02 < _MadTux> :)
03:02 < mnemoc> that's me ;)
03:06 < nzg> _MadTux: AddUrl doesn't open the link
03:06  * nzg using XMMS
03:06 < mnemoc> as i said previously, 403: Forbidden
03:06 < _MadTux> nzg, http://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls <-
03:06 < _MadTux> i just opened it and it works for me
03:07 < mnemoc> not for me
03:08 < nzg> noatun plays it...
03:08 < _MadTux> nzg, good.
03:08 < _MadTux> nzg, quality?
03:08 < _MadTux> mnemoc, weird.
03:08 < nzg> ok
03:09 < mnemoc> what does you logs said?
03:09 < _MadTux> let me see
03:10 < nzg> it has something of "thrash metal"...
03:11 < _MadTux> nothing on logs mnemoc
03:11 < nzg> i prefer dimmu borgir or cradle of filth...
03:12 < nzg> hm, this one sounds better...
03:12 < mnemoc> .pls file said File1=http://metal.hsol.net:8000/ :\
03:12 < _MadTux> hehehe
03:14 < _MadTux> mmhh?! somone is trying to download one of my 1.5.17 isos..
03:16 < nzg> it's quite some time ago, i did this...
03:16 < nzg> iirc this was the first rock i installed...
03:17 < _MadTux> nzg, no this logs are from a couple of minutes ago
03:17 < nzg> no, then it's not me
03:18 < _MadTux> still hey u used my 1.5.17 isos to get started?
03:18 < nzg> yes
03:18 < _MadTux> WOW. I feel honored.
03:18 < nzg> i was trying out some distros since suse didn't suffice my needs any more...
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03:20 < nzg> and yes, i think around may 2002
03:20 < _MadTux> yes most people come to rock from suse, or similar
03:21 < _MadTux> hallo n00kie
03:21 < nzg> i used it until may last year... when i installed "night vision"
03:21 < _MadTux> nzg, back in those days i was doing a lot of stuff for rock i think
03:21 < nzg> also from isos...
03:23 < nzg> but since there was no gcc on the cd's i was not able to make use of it... no support for my nic, and no way to rebuild the kernel without compiler ;-)
03:23 < nzg> i was not watching ML or anything at the time i started...
03:23 < _MadTux> on the night vision u mean?
03:23 < nzg> yes, on the night vision
03:23 < _MadTux> hehe
03:24 < nzg> it was quite not funny... so next one was beta2 or something...
03:24 < _MadTux> hhmm..
03:24 < nzg> i've a lot of old cd's with rock on it...
03:24 < _MadTux> hehe me too..
03:25 < _MadTux> i started with 1.2
03:25 < _MadTux> years ago
03:25 < nzg> currently it's rc2 since those where the last isos i could persuade a friend to download
03:25 < _MadTux> i will rock again when i mange to get rock BOOTABLE isos to load on my sparc
03:25 < mnemoc> 1.4 :)
03:26 < mnemoc> but i didn't think about subscribing neither
03:26 < nzg> i would like to have the sparc first...
03:26 < _MadTux> nzg, well it took me quite a while to get mine.. such hardware is hard to get in .cr
03:27 < _MadTux> now i am doing selinux stuff for sparc.. currently the nsa officially supports only x86.. but i hope to get my stuff included sometime..
03:27 < _MadTux> and try to get sponsors to send me cool hardware
03:27 < nzg> what is .cr (i know i'm uninformed)
03:27 < mnemoc> costra rica
03:27 < nzg> ah
03:28 < mnemoc> do u know what/where .cl is?
03:28 < nzg> i guess chile
03:29 < mnemoc> good! :)
03:29 < nzg> it should be south america...
03:29 < nzg> you told me once...
03:29 < mnemoc> :\
03:29 < mnemoc> and, where is .cr?
03:30 < nzg> between panama and nicaragua
03:30 < mnemoc> don't google!
03:30 < nzg> not google...
03:30 < nzg> i'v a world-map on my desk...
03:31 < mnemoc> cheater
03:31 < nzg> jep, and i have a short penis ;-)
03:31 < mnemoc> i didn't wanted that detail :|
03:32 < nzg> i don't know wether the cheater-interview is available in english or not...
03:33 < nzg> "yes, i'm a cheater, and we cheat to replace the loss of self-confidence we gain through short penises..."
03:33 < nzg> "it makes us feel better if we cheat upon newbies and beat them..."
03:34 < _MadTux> hahaha
03:34 < mnemoc> :)
03:34 < nzg> it's quite funny
03:35 < nzg> that's what you learn at boarding-school
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03:36 < nzg> 50 really crazy people inside one house and no one who is competent enough to control them...
03:40 < nzg> does anyone of you know apocalyptica?
03:41  * _MadTux does
03:41 < nzg> do you like it?
03:41 < _MadTux> yes.
03:42 < _MadTux> got mp3s for me?
03:42 < nzg> yes
03:42 < _MadTux> WEEH!
03:42 < _MadTux> where do i go?
03:42 < nzg> i have the reflections and plays metal by four cellos
03:42 < nzg> wayt a moment...
03:43  * mnemoc thought you were talking about 1dc-1ac hebrew literature :)
03:43 < _MadTux> c# fellows...
03:43 < mnemoc> :p
03:43 < nzg> no, about really good music...
03:44  * _MadTux 's favorite .. master of puppets :)
03:45  * nzg 's favorites: Toreador 2 and harmageddon
03:46 < nzg> http://cjd.homelinux.net/Apocalyptica/
03:46  * mnemoc has IV esdra and etiopic enoch in front of him :p that's Apocalyptica to me
03:46 < nzg> but be patient... only 8kB/s upstream
03:47 < nzg> and yes, i know... it's some quite old apache and linux
03:48 < nzg> i had nothing else than suse 6.0 around when i moved into this flat and i needed to install this damn box so i could get online since i had no isdn on the previously installed debian
03:48  * mnemoc will go to get some food.... brb
03:48 < _MadTux> mnemoc, enjoy
03:48 < _MadTux> nzg, its ok.. i have time.. i want those mp3 :)
03:49 < nzg> k, i'll be here until dawn which means at least 3 more hours...
03:49 < nzg> then i go to the boarding-school for breakfast
03:49 < _MadTux> excellent.. so then lets do some chatting 
03:50 < nzg> 196.40.25.179 - - [05/Jun/2004:02:50:23 +0000] "GET /Apocalyptica/Play%20Metallica%20by%20four%20Cellos/?D=A HTTP/1.0" 200 2101
03:50 < nzg> that must be you ;-)
03:50 < _MadTux> ack.
03:51 < nzg> wow... it's really getting hot in here... maybe because im on some coffe ;-)
03:52 < _MadTux> a cold shower cold help..
03:54 < nzg> there is a nasty old person living in the flat below mine...
03:54 < _MadTux> god.. it really is slow
03:54 < _MadTux> define nasty
03:54 < nzg> last time he called my school because he felt disturbed by my chair rolling on the floor
03:54 < _MadTux> hehe...
03:56 < nzg> no, not hehe, it took away one hour of my leisure-time
03:57 < nzg> "oh you stood up - good, the headmaster want's to see you in ten minutes..."
03:57 < _MadTux> fscking oldy
03:58 < nzg> "hm>wtf are you doing all the night blabla..."
03:59 < nzg> he also threatened me with calling the police because i phoned one entire night with a girl i was interested in...
03:59 < _MadTux> answer: coding.
03:59 < _MadTux> well thats none in his god damn business
03:59 < nzg> "hm>you are a pupil of mine, if you don't concentrate on school i'll expell you"
04:00 < _MadTux> god
04:00 < _MadTux> did u kill him already?
04:00 < nzg> i had this discussions quite often after i registered my own buisness
04:00 < nzg> no, i didn't
04:00 < _MadTux> nzg, NICE music :)
04:00  * _MadTux listening to enter sadman :)
04:01 < nzg> but i got elected prefect this year and bother him with the mistakes he does quite often
04:01 < nzg> thx, yes it is
04:01  * nzg listening to conlusion
04:01 < nzg> s/conlusion/conclusion
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04:02 < _MadTux> wb blindy's ghost
04:04 < nzg> currently my hm wants to sue me because some of mine and me took some of the 5thgraders, and emptied some buckets of water onto them
04:05 < _MadTux> pick him nex time
04:05 < _MadTux> next
04:06 < nzg> yeah something like this... i show him my middle-finger because i leave school in a few weeks ;-)
04:07 < _MadTux> :)
04:07 < nzg> i need one more exam in english since i messed up the written exam in english and then i finally have my A-level
04:07 < nzg> otherwise i have none :[
04:08  * nzg making the next cup of coffe...
04:13 < nzg> aah...
04:19  * _MadTux listning master of puppets... VERY good stuff nzg thanks for sharing this with me
04:19 < _MadTux> mnemoc, still alive?
04:20 < nzg> np _MadTux
04:21 < nzg> last year i was on a concert of them in cologne - it was really cool
04:25 < mnemoc> re
04:25 < _MadTux> who ever cares: http://projects.hsol.net/semilla/semillaII_trailer2.mpg
04:25 < _MadTux> mnemoc, welcome back
04:25 < mnemoc> thanks _MadTux 
04:26 < _MadTux> mnemoc, how was food?
04:27 < mnemoc> good :)
04:27 < nzg> wb mnemoc
04:28 < mnemoc> thanks nzg 
04:55 < _MadTux> ok folks time to go home
04:55 < _MadTux> night all.
04:56 < nzg> k, n8 _MadTux
04:56 < mnemoc> n8 mistik1 
04:56 < mnemoc> aarg...
04:56 < _MadTux> mnemoc, u seem to be sleepy
04:56  * mnemoc kicks _MadTux underscore
04:56 < _MadTux> nzg, i will continue the download tomorrow is it is ok with u 
04:56 < nzg> btw, seems like i'm nearly finished with my work
04:57 < nzg> _MadTux: np, just remind me to update the dyndns-record, i don't use it often ;-)
04:57 < _MadTux> nzg, okis..
04:57 < _MadTux> ok 4 mins to get one last song:
04:58 < mnemoc> nzg: ddclient :-)
04:58 < nzg> mnemoc: the i need to fiddle around with this damn old system again...
04:59 < nzg> i won't change anything on it until i get to a new flat where i have dsl and don't need the isdn-crap anymore
05:00 < mnemoc> :)
05:01 < nzg> and i won't install it on my main-box anyway...
05:01 < _MadTux> Ok my friends, I regret to announce this is the end. Good bye.
05:01 < _MadTux> cya tomorrow :)
05:01 < mnemoc> cu
05:01 < nzg> n8 _MadTux
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05:01 < nzg> jo, cu
05:11 < nzg> i want another pc to do the windows-crap on
05:11 < nzg> win inside vmware is _really_ slow
05:11 < mnemoc> vmware is _really_ slow
05:14 < nzg> yes, but the only way to have a windows to work with and still use linux for the private stuff and communications at the same time...
05:14 < nzg> wine is faster but doesn't support borland's applications correctly... maybe because of the damn properitary vcl
05:15 < nzg> and c-builder always hangs up after linking when running inside wine...
05:16 < nzg> vc6 opens a wine-console which displays the compiler-output and closes after the compile is done...
05:16 < nzg> so no alternative
05:23 < mnemoc> :(
05:24 < nzg> so... finally  it's running
05:24 < nzg> now i write the e-mail where i uploaded the files and hope i will not get called to add any feature( or fix a bug)
05:27 < mnemoc> brb
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06:17 < brandon|dead> hello?
06:20 < brandon|dead> are there binary builds of rock linux for sparc available anywhere?
06:25 < nzg> don't know
06:25 < nzg> maybe ask on the mailinglist
06:26 < mnemoc> re
06:27 < nzg> wb mnemoc
06:27 < brandon|dead> ok, i'll try the mailing list maybe, i'm just looking for various options right now
06:28 < mnemoc> brandon|dead: if someone has sparc bins consider yourself _very_ lucky
06:28 < brandon|dead> lol, ok
06:28 < brandon|dead> several distro's have them... i wasn't sure about rock, thanks though
06:29 < mnemoc> rock is not a distro, public isos (any arch) are just a sample of what rock does
06:29 < brandon|dead> yea, i gathered that
06:29 < brandon|dead> i don't have a lot of time (4 hours to be exact)
06:29 < mnemoc> oh
06:30 < nzg> mnemoc: it should be possible to cross-build them on a x86 if i'm right
06:30 < mnemoc> yeap
06:30 < mnemoc> but only stage 1
06:30 < nzg> brandon|dead: in that case: www.linuxiso.org
06:30 < brandon|dead> hmmm... that makes it a bit more possible, i can build it while i'm out of town on my laptop
06:30 < nzg> can't that be used as a base for the further build on the sparc?
06:31  * nzg is not really far into this stuff
06:31 < mnemoc> stage-1 is some kit of 'base'
06:31 < mnemoc> kind*
06:31 < brandon|dead> how active is the sparc development on rock?
06:31 < mnemoc> you can make it boot and you will have shell and a working gcc
06:32 < brandon|dead> ic
06:32 < mnemoc> that's stage-1
06:32 < mnemoc> natively you can reach stage-9
06:32 < nzg> i just remember, that when i tried lfs i made i first had to create a statically linked environment which i booted to build the rest
06:33 < nzg> can that be compared to stage-1?
06:33 < brandon|dead> so i can build a stage-1 on my x86 box, then when i get back, start adding the stuff i want?
06:33 < mnemoc> yes
06:33 < brandon|dead> nativly, on the sparc box
06:33 < brandon|dead> ok
06:34 < nzg> i know, i should read mor of the docs ;-)
06:34 < mnemoc> you have to select 'cross-build' in Config (on your x86), then you will be able to build a boot disk and a 'base'
06:34 < brandon|dead> one more question, rock linux is nothing like gentoo is it (except the source based... obviously)
06:34 < nzg> ;-)
06:35 < mnemoc> gentoo has taken some features from rock to improve their process
06:35  * brandon|dead isn't a very big gentoo fan ;)
06:35 < mnemoc> rock is to design, build and burn your customed and optimized distro
06:36 < mnemoc> G* is a pimp sourcebased distro
06:36 < brandon|dead> heh
06:36 < mnemoc> =)
06:36 < nzg> this topic seems to come up once a week ;-)
06:36 < brandon|dead> lol
06:36 < mnemoc> :-)
06:36 < brandon|dead> sorry, wasn't trying to start a flame war
06:37 < nzg> mnemoc: didn't rxr say something about not picking at other projects ? ;-)
06:37 < nzg> brandon|dead: i don't think you did
06:37 < mnemoc> don't worry
06:37 < mnemoc> G* people loves to flame us... but we don't care
06:37 < nzg> *rofl*
06:37 < mnemoc> :-)
06:37 < brandon|dead> lol
06:38 < brandon|dead> i love to flame G* people
06:39 < nzg> maybe someone can add something about the differences between rock and G* to the hp ;-)
06:39 < mnemoc> they have very good people on their comunity, sadly they insist to be something they aren't
06:40 < nzg> mnemoc: have they ever said something about being a DBK?
06:40 < mnemoc> implicitly
06:41 < mnemoc> their 'META' s.th
06:41 < brandon|dead> lol
06:41  * brandon|dead is getting annoyed at the # of viable options for his sparc box
06:41 < mnemoc> they _are_ a very customizable soruce based distro, but nothing more than a source based distro
06:42 < mnemoc> users get confused
06:44 < nzg> by the way, i've friend of mine who's interested in a ROCK-BSD, is this already working or still just a plan
06:44 < brandon|dead> i'm currently arguing w/ myself, i have debian on this thing right now, i can't decide between doing the rock linux thing w/ it, or attempting LFS on sparc64... i'm guessing that may get a bit messy
06:44 < nzg> iirc i once saw a *bsd package somewhere...
06:45 < nzg> if you don't have really _much_ free time, spare yourself the lfs-thing
06:45 < brandon|dead> lol, i've done lfs on x86, i know the time it takes :)
06:45 < brandon|dead> i think i'm just gonna gave to wait till i get back in town no matter what i choose though
06:45 < nzg> ;-)
06:46 < brandon|dead> so that 4 hour thing... is kinda shot
06:47 < nzg> you have 4hours to make your choice?
06:47 < brandon|dead> naw, i was gonna install it before i left for my flight
06:47 < brandon|dead> that's why i was looking for a binary distro
06:48 < nzg> oh
06:48 < brandon|dead> but... i guess that's prolly not gonna work out, the only binary distro i can find that's really an option is debian, which is what i'm dumping
06:48 < brandon|dead> i wish slack hadn't dropped sparc support :(
06:49 < nzg> what about {redhat,suse}
06:49 < nzg> they've sparc too
06:50 < mnemoc> nzg: rock-2.1 will be able to build for different kernels
06:50 < brandon|dead> nzg | i said viable ;p
06:50 < brandon|dead> or i should have
06:50 < mnemoc> brandon|dead: if you can't find a prebuilt, use rock instad of lfs
06:51 < nzg> mnemoc: hm k, i'll tell him
06:52 < brandon|dead> mnemoc | yea, i'll try rock i think when i get back
06:52 < nzg> and i'll try to abuse my vmware to try a rock with hurd
06:52 < brandon|dead> mnemoc | i just got a bit worried cause the last update about sparc i could find on the site was 2002, so i wasn't sure if it was still maintained, and a binary woulda been nice cause i could have immediate gratification, but oh well
06:55 < brandon|dead> well, thanks, i'm gonna go get some food
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06:57 < nzg> uargh, it turned light outside again 
06:58 < mnemoc> good morning nzg :-)
06:58 < nzg> good morning mnemoc
06:59 < nzg> it should be around 3am at yours iirc
07:03  * nzg is just making his good morning coffe and his good mornig cigarette
07:14 < mnemoc> nzg: 1am
07:14 < nzg> so not that late
07:14 < nzg> when do you have to get up in the morning?
07:15 < mnemoc> 7am
07:16 < nzg> seems like you won't get much sleep tonight ;-)
07:18 < mnemoc> you neither :-)
07:21  * mnemoc away.... coffee
07:21 < nzg> yes, seems like another night over without sleep, and this evening i'm going to a rpg-party
07:21 < mnemoc> :)
07:21 < nzg> so i hopei'm not too tired the
07:21 < nzg> n
07:22 < nzg> i'm currently at the fifth cup or so
07:22 < nzg> at least i'm finished with my work for now
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07:42 < nzg> so, i'm going offline now, take a shower and go to school to get some breakfast...
07:42 < nzg> cya
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10:45 < netrunner> moin
10:53 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
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11:26 < rxr> moin
11:26 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-athlon-rt.png
11:26 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-athlon-bt.png
11:27 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-g3-rt.png
11:27 < dsoul> hi rxr 
11:27 < rxr> http://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat2-g3-bt.png
11:27 < rxr> hi dsoul 
11:29 < daja77> strange
11:30 < daja77> what is with those builds where no seconds are given, were they aborted?
11:36 < blindy> moin
11:36 < dsoul> hi blindy 
11:37 < rxr> daja77: there is no way to inject CFLAGS in the kernel
11:37 < rxr> to the numers are a make oldconfig (so defconfig) anyway - optimizing for pentium4
11:38 < daja77> not even in Makefile?
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11:38 < rxr> especially not in the makefile
11:38 < daja77> ic
11:38 < rxr> i once saw a config option for it ...
11:39 < rxr> in rock it is wasy - the gcc wrapper just does the job ...
11:40 < daja77> there is a HOSTCFLAGS var in Makefile
11:40 < daja77> and CFLAGS too
11:41 < rxr> yes - and when you set them the kernel doesn not build anymore
11:41 < rxr> because all the other -I and so onf stuff does not get added, because you overwrote it on the make argument line ...
11:42 < rxr> been there, done that ...
11:42 < daja77> sounds nasty
12:23 < blindy> hmm nice
12:23 < blindy> compared to Munich, the rent in Berlin is really cheap
12:38 < daja77> are you surprised by that?
13:00 < blindy> no
13:00 < blindy> as I've known before that Munich is the most expensive city in .de wrt. rent
13:00 < daja77> ;-)
13:01 < blindy> friend of mine who recently moved from Munich to Berlin said that Munich is 50% more expensive than Berlin
13:02 < daja77> and it is still cheaper here ;-)
13:03 < blindy> now I just have to convince my employer to pay me ~500 EUR more :-)
13:03 < daja77> ^^
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14:10 < Lorini> moin
14:11 < netrunner> hi Lorini 
14:12 < Lorini> hi netrunner
14:13  * netrunner going swimming
14:13 < Lorini> oh.. *brr*
14:14 < netrunner> this damn dvdrip uses both cpus, can hardly build ...
14:28 < blindy> hi Lorini 
14:28 < Lorini> huhu blindy
14:45  * blindy off to the gym
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17:06 < blindy> re
17:06 < mnemoc> re blindy 
17:11 < mnemoc> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mingw <--- is this broken for everyone or only to me?
17:11 < tfing> hi blindy and mnemoc 
17:11 < blindy> b0rken
17:11 < blindy> hi tfing 
17:12 < mnemoc> hi tfing
17:12 < mnemoc> thanks blindy 
17:12 < tfing> broken from here too
17:13 < mnemoc> sf is pathetic :|
17:22 < mistik1> sf.net cvs is a frigging waste of time
17:22 < mistik1> been trying to get some bug fixes all friggin week
17:23 < mnemoc> their mysql stinks too
17:23 < daja77> cvs is a waste of time anyway
17:23 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
17:23 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
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17:38 < seek_the_reality> hi all
17:41 < fake> "About 30 computers. I'll be having a few other people help me, maybe 3 or 4 others. We'll be doing manual installs as far as I know at this point in time, but I still have some time to think it through."
17:41 < fake> boy, i love this gentoo-quotes-page
17:41 < fake> 30 computers by source, all the same *rofl*
17:43 < fake> "I think 10 minutes server downtime once a couple of months (or even less frequently) due to compiling updates, is not much of an issue. Other packages can compile while the server is up and running, it reduces performance, but not for too long as to call it important. At least this has been my experience."
17:44 < Lorini> hi fake
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17:45 < blindy> hi fake 
17:46 < fake> "I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat."
17:46 < fake> *wechrofl*
17:46 < fake> hi Lorini, hi blindy 
17:47 < blindy> fake: interesting reading, isn't it? *fg*
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17:49 < fake> it's great
18:05 < mnemoc> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-06/msg00264.html
18:23 < fake> mnemoc: page-long discussions with no decisions ;)
18:23 < mnemoc> they love them :\
18:24 < daja77> for most of the requirements subversion would fit in nicely, strange that they onl refer to monotone
18:24 < mnemoc> no answers from svn developers
18:24 < daja77> on the list or in general
18:25 < mnemoc> in gcc list
18:25 < daja77> maybe they are not subscribed
18:26 < daja77> if they have questions to the svn ppl they should ask them and not waiting for them to show up on their list
18:27 < mnemoc> he _wants_ to use monotone
18:27 < daja77> well than he should say that, besides that i can't find any hints why monotone ruled subversion out
18:29 < daja77> i hate this debian centric documentation
18:31 < daja77> it even has less features
18:32 < daja77> they must hate subversion, they haven't even linked to that, only to dead/broken packages like arch
18:34 < mnemoc> .oO( i use/like arch )o
18:34 < daja77> no you use a fork of arch
18:35 < daja77> mnemoc: have you read the monotone docs?
18:35 < mnemoc> not yet
18:36 < mnemoc> oh... that's what you mean by dead arch :-)
18:36 < daja77> sounds not that nice
18:37 < daja77> they haven't linked to tla either
18:40 < mnemoc> monotone rationale is discusting o_O
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18:52 < daja77> full ack
18:52 < daja77> it just sucks, really wondering why they consider it instead of subversion
18:57 < mnemoc> have you read about cognitive hidden traps?
18:58 < daja77> no i only read, we don't support http anymore and after that I only gave it a quick reading
18:59 < daja77> so what's about them
18:59 < daja77> I hate their way of doin branches
18:59 < mnemoc> cognitive hidden traps is about how the mind works
18:59 < daja77> ah
19:00 < daja77> bbl
19:00 < mnemoc> if he is too related to monotone he will never see it's main failures
19:03 < daja77> it can't compete to subversion, this sounds to me like we have to use that cos it is gpl
19:03 < daja77> and thi sucks
19:03 < daja77> this
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19:43 < daja77> re
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19:57 < MadTux> hi.
19:57 < mnemoc> question: is it required that every single file of the project has the opyright header?
19:57 < mnemoc> tuxie!
19:58 < MadTux> in my opinion it isnt.
19:58 < MadTux> image the reduction of the size of the src removing that
19:58 < MadTux> how are u mnemoc 
19:58 < daja77> hi MadTux 
19:58 < MadTux> hi danny
19:59 < daja77> bbl
19:59 < MadTux> ok daja77 
20:00 < mnemoc> OT: what are the permissions of a symlink?
20:00 < MadTux> 777
20:01 < mnemoc> yes but what does it means?
20:01 < MadTux> rwx for u-g and a
20:01 < mnemoc> aaarg
20:01 < MadTux> mnemoc: what is the problem?
20:01 < Lorini> hi MadTux
20:02 < MadTux> the bin will in the end define the real perms 
20:02 < mnemoc> /etc/locatime is 777
20:02 < MadTux> Schatzi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:02 < mnemoc> a symlink
20:02 < mnemoc> hi Lorini 
20:02 < Lorini> hi mnemoc :)
20:02 < mnemoc> but only root can remove it
20:02 < MadTux> ack
20:02 < mnemoc> then, which are the permissions of a symlink?
20:03 < MadTux> did u try to remove the file as a non-root user?
20:04 < mnemoc> $ rm localtime
20:04 < mnemoc> rm: remove symbolic link `localtime'? y
20:04 < mnemoc> rm: cannot remove `localtime': Permission denied
20:07 < mnemoc> .oO( i think this is not a silly question )o
20:09 < MadTux> yes interesting behavior.. i never wondered this myself..
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20:46 < netrunner> re
20:47 < Lorini> wb netrunner
20:47 < netrunner> mnemoc: if you cannot remove a file you have write access to, the fs may be mounted ro
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21:36 < SMP>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
21:36 < SMP> 21824 stefanp   15   0  313m 233m  35m S  0.3 23.2  29:42.87 kicker
21:37 < SMP> unbelieveable
21:37 < StefanG> why? :)
21:39 < daja77> ouch
21:54 < mnemoc> re
21:55 < MadTux> wb mnemoc 
21:55 < mnemoc> netrunner: now i realized you need 'w' access to the directory to create or remove a file
21:55 < mnemoc> tuxie :)
22:33  * daja77 currently installing reactos in bochs
22:41 < mnemoc> any particular reason or just playing?
22:41 < daja77> playing
22:42 < daja77> btw i got pointed to qemu which should be faster than bochs, if so i should package it
22:42 < daja77> i'd like to test rock in an emulator besides vmware
22:43 < mnemoc> qemu?
22:44 < daja77> yep, nice it emulates even powerpc and arm
22:44 < mnemoc> oh
22:47 < mnemoc> wow... it looks _very_ nice
22:47 < daja77> yep
22:48 < mnemoc> http://www.morphix.org/modules/xoopsgallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31&page=1
22:48 < SMP> http://www.sat.qc.ca/the_user/dotmatrix/en/intro.html
22:49 < mnemoc> =)
22:53 < mnemoc> .oO( i didn't know morphix' installer is a gnome env )o
23:04 < rxr> re
23:05 < MadTux> hi rxr
23:05 < mnemoc> hi rxr
23:06 < mnemoc> rxr: don't you want to try your benchmarks inside qemu? ;)
23:07 < rxr> no
23:07 < rxr> btw - I now qumu already for some time - follow it's development for over half a year now ...
23:07 < daja77> you like it?
23:08 < rxr> qemu even
23:08 < mnemoc> you like it?
23:08 < rxr> should - should be faster than bochs - but I ahve not tried it me -ENOTIME ...
23:08 < rxr> IIRC peachpc (@ sf.net) is also based on it
23:08 < rxr> runs MacOSX on x86
23:09 < rxr> but I also did not try that ...
23:09 < mnemoc> .oO( peachpc? what kind of name is that? )o
23:12 < mnemoc> pearpc :-)
23:13 < daja77> what the heck is libasound
23:14 < daja77> and why does qemu needs to link against it >_<
23:24 < daja77> strange libasound is installed but not found
23:25 < mnemoc> usr/local ?
23:25 < daja77> ah it tries to link static >_<
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23:25 < daja77> and the static lib is not there
23:26 < mnemoc> can i say `find` to output quoted? (file names with spaces to be used in a for loop)
23:29 < daja77> this sucks
23:31 < mnemoc> this too
23:51 < rxr> daja77: libasound -> ALSA ...
23:52 < daja77> yeah found that out :)
23:52 < daja77> wow qemu is really fast
23:57 < mnemoc> rxr: is ENOTIME the only reason to not benchmark qemu?
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