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00:19 < Lorini> n8
00:19 < owl> gn8
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01:27 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.1 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:27 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Tue Jun  1 16:20:45 2004]
01:27 [Users #rocklinux]
01:27 [ _luckz  ] [ dsoul] [ kasc   ] [ netrunner] [ SMP     ] 
01:27 [ blindy  ] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ nookie_  ] [ tfing   ] 
01:27 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla    ] [ valentin] 
01:27 [ daja77_ ] [ jsaw ] [ netcrow] [ rxr      ] [ Vroum   ] 
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03:30 < rolla> re
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03:53 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.1 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
03:53 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Tue Jun  1 16:20:45 2004]
03:53 [Users #rocklinux]
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05:06 < mnemoc> rehi
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08:35 < netrunner> moin
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09:02 < netrunner> groff cores for p4 optimisation w/p4
09:02 < [newbie]> fake: good morning...
09:02 < [newbie]> fake: do you have any good news for me beloning the arm cross compiling?
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09:07 < buhzi> fake: good morning...
09:07 < buhzi> fake: do you have any good news for me belonging the arm cross compiling?
09:12 < SMP> Dickes B oben an der Spree!
09:13 < netrunner> SMP: ?
09:14 < blindy> moin
09:14 < SMP> spontaneous musical outburst of my love for Berlin
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09:23 < blindy> I'm finally moving to Berlin this Sunday
09:24 < netrunner> blindy: move to karlsruhe next wednesday!
09:25 < blindy> netrunner: no chance in hell. I just start working there on monday, no way to get vacation
09:26  * blindy calling esden
09:26 < blindy> brb
09:33 < blindy> back
09:34 < netrunner> blindy: tell him to bring my graka & hdcase
09:35 < togg> moin
09:35 < blindy> netrunner: I'll talk with him again sometime today
09:35 < blindy> will do
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10:12 < rxr> rehi
10:13 < rxr> hi
10:13 < daja77> hi rxr 
10:17 < blindy> moin rxr
10:20 < netrunner> argl. the automake update causes regressions.
10:21 < daja77> guessed that somehow
10:24 < netrunner> acl and xfsprogs
10:28 < rxr> netrunner: oh - thoe most broken auto* users
10:28 < rxr> netrunner: fix those - they are really ugly
10:29 < rxr> btw, I only updated it because much freedesktop.org stuff needs the new auto* version
10:31 < daja77> rxr: you updated libgnomemm to a version 2.6.1 which does not exist ...
10:34 < netrunner> rxr: isn't it still 'open' in submaster? I tought I had it applied by hand ...
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11:15 < owl> moin
11:17 < owl> netrunner: are you here?
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11:59 < rxr> Connection to host www.rocklinux.net is broken
11:59 < rxr> ?
11:59 < rxr>  wget www.rocklinux.org
12:00 < rxr> 11:57:48 ERROR -1: No data received.
12:00 < rxr> ???
12:00 < rxr> is this known?
12:00 < rxr> clifford: ???
12:05 < rxr> ok - was apache / subversion update ...
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12:06 < dsoul> hi rxr 
12:09 < netrunner> owl: jup
12:09 < rxr> hi daja77 
12:09 < rxr> dsoul: even
12:09 < rxr> but hi daja77, too ;-)
12:09 < dsoul> :>
12:11 < dsoul> rxr 2.0-stable lacks *.init files for postfix and postgreql
12:15 < rxr> dsoul: thansk
12:15 < rxr> thanks even ....
12:15 < rxr> what the hell:
12:15 < rxr> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
12:15 < rxr> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
12:15 < rxr> ^- this damn libtool crap - how can free people use it?
12:17 < dsoul> any alternative?
12:18 < rxr> yes - calling gcc directly ...
12:20 < dsoul> :)
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12:21 < rxr> btw, I'm just updating mozilla, firefox, thunderbird and galeon and epiphany (started it yesterday) so no need to touch those ...
12:22 < dsoul> links & mutt here :P
12:23 < rxr> and linux26 of course
12:24 < netrunner> rxr: I've sent an linux26 update, no?
12:24 < netrunner>  arg, it's still in that damn queue
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12:26 < netrunner> wb Lorini 
12:26 < Lorini> hi netrunner
12:35 < rxr> netrunner: I also updated it yesterday - but I need to do s.th. against PowerPC build errors first ...
12:36 < netrunner> rxr: ok, so I'll leave it.
12:44 < blindy> rxr: any idea what to do about cc1 not knowing medlow?
12:45 < rxr> you get it for the kernel?
12:47 < blindy> yes
12:49 < rxr> I guess you do not use the 64bit cross compiler for the sparc64 kernel ...
12:49 < rxr> the gnome people write software:
12:49 < rxr> Galeon 1.3.15:
12:50 < rxr>  - the most significant of which is a serious overhaul of the downloading subsystem - most significantly meaning it doesn't crash all the time :-)
12:51 < blindy> hmm
12:52 < blindy> d'oh
12:52 < blindy> I thought this was set automatically, like the cross-compiler itself was
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12:58 < snafu`> hi
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14:04 < rxr> SMP: around?
14:04 < rxr> around even
14:05 < rxr> I just need a utf-8 encoded string in my program - how just get the é and © utf-8 encoded?
14:08 < rxr> utf-8 anyone here?
14:08 < SMP> rxr: to put in into a wchar_t ?
14:08 < SMP> s,in,it,
14:08 < rxr> for example yes.
14:09 < rxr> there must be something simple I throw my input in and get the proper utf-8 sequence?
14:09 < rxr> I just can not locate it ...
14:09 < daja77> re
14:10 < SMP> rxr: echo "é ©" | recode ..utf-8
14:10 < SMP> optionally | hexdump -C e.g.
14:11 < rxr> ah!
14:12 < rxr> hm
14:12 < rxr> recode: Ungültige Eingabe in step `CHAR..UTF-8'
14:14 < SMP> what's you $LANG / $LC_CTYPE?
14:15 < rxr> LANG is de_DE.UTF-8 for thsi test
14:15 < rxr> LC_CTYPE empty
14:15 < buhzi> fake: hello, are you there?
14:17 < SMP> rxr: I guess your terminal still sends ISO-8859-1 where recode expects UTF-8 as per $LANG
14:18 < SMP> just leave your $LANG alone, consistent with what your terminal sends. recode will figure it out and convert to UTF-8
14:20 < rxr> the above wors on your side?
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14:21 < SMP> you might of course just run your editor and terminal in a UTF-8 locale and simply type the letters where you need them ,,,
14:21 < SMP> rxr: huh?
14:21 < rxr> hm - this produces something:
14:21 < rxr> echo " " | recode ISO-8859-15..utf-8
14:21 < rxr>  
14:23 < rxr> ah - yes, gvim or so was able to save those
14:23 < SMP> well of course, ISO-8859-1[5] and UTF-8 are equivalent for the ASCII range
14:23 < rxr> evivalent to the above output - thanks SMP for pointing the above
14:25 < rxr> but © and é are not in the orignial ASCII range IIRC
14:25  * rxr curious if the Evas stuff will now render my name correctly ...
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14:27 < rxr> hm - no still does not :-(
14:29 < SMP> eh, of course these are not ASCII. but the only character I could see inside the "" was a 0x20 :>
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14:32 < rxr> SMP: cut'n paste has ripped them ...
14:33 < rxr> hm - the Evas code clealy decodes utf-8 - strange that I do not have s.th. on screen ... :-(
14:39 < daja77> nice suse has some updated subversion packagen now ...
14:52  * rxr going to debug Evas font rendering ...
14:55 < daja77> hm that tetex distro is somehow broken
14:55 < rxr> that?
14:56 < daja77> i dunno if it is broken in general or just the one shipped with rock
14:57 < daja77> it claims it can't files, which are there
14:57 < daja77> even texhash did not change this
14:57  * rxr shortly away
14:57 < daja77> k.
15:33 < mnemoc> moin
15:34 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
15:35 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: will the new pkginstall be ported to 2.0?
16:06 < rxr> ouhm - yes, should be
16:07 < mnemoc> good :)
16:08 < mnemoc> rxr: did you looked at bdb patch?
16:09 < mnemoc> imvho that issue should be fixed soon on 2.0
16:10 < rxr> have only looked briefly, can you drop me a mail remembering bdb + pkginstalled + .init merging ?
16:12 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:12 < mnemoc> today or tomorrow?
16:17 < rxr> ;-) tonight ;-)
16:17 < rxr> I'm currently debugging Evas font rendering problems - and I'll be in cinema later
16:18 < rxr> but my planings are to continue after that tonight ...
16:18 < mnemoc> mail sent to list :\
16:18 < mnemoc> damn
16:22 < rxr> damn ?
16:23 < mnemoc> i wanted to send it personal :\  ... but who cares ;)
16:23 < rxr> yeah ;-) thanks
16:24 < rxr> hm - the utf-8 parsers things my 2 byte char is a 4 byte one :-(
16:25 < SMP> what are the bytes?
16:25 < mnemoc> hi SMP
16:26 < rxr> the ones we constructed e.g. using recode
16:26 < rxr> oh - wait ...
16:30 < rxr> hm - the final file was saved by a gvim not in UTF-8 mode
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16:30 < rxr> cool - with correctly implamtned bytes it works now ...
16:31 < rxr> implanted even
16:31 < mnemoc> what are you playing with?
16:31 < rxr> getting my name correctly displayed (e.g. with é) in my Evas based Apps ...
16:31 < rxr> and as bonus also using the © ...
16:32 < SMP> . o O ( librxrcredits.a )
16:32 < rxr> the usual investigation stuff I delayed week after week ...
16:32 < rxr> SMP: nope, just some chars ...
16:33 < SMP> some chars are not code-reuse! ;)
16:33 < rxr> *lol*
16:34 < rxr> I already reuse quite a lot C++ code across projects - the copyright info text differs along them ...
16:34 < rxr> and is not really code, is it?
16:35 < SMP> hey, Delphi came with a dedicated TAboutBox class :)
16:36 < mnemoc> delphi?
16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: this visual pascal wanna-be  for Windows ...
16:37 < mnemoc> .oO( i thought i was freak using c# )o
16:37 < mnemoc> i know delphi ;)
16:37 < SMP> hey, Delphi ruled
16:38 < SMP> in its own weird way
16:38 < mnemoc> yeah ;)
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16:41  * rxr re-Emerging-Pkg evas to get rid of my slow debugable version ...
16:42 < SMP> mnemoc: I'm actually considering using C# (Mono) for a work project
16:43 < SMP> mnemoc: do you actually use this Clip stuff that you're packaging?
16:44 < mnemoc> in my current work, yes
16:44 < SMP> that is _really_ weird
16:45 < mnemoc> people here is used to clipper's ui style and i can reuse some code ;)
16:45 < mnemoc> SMP i'll send updates for mono-1.0-beta3 soon
16:45 < mnemoc> (0.96)
16:47 < SMP> ah, good
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17:00 < fake> SMP: do you know when season 4 of enterprise will air?
17:00 < SMP> no idea
17:00 < fake> SMP: mkay. i was really thrilled by the last few minutes of 3-24 ;)
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17:20 < rxr> fake: /me too
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17:21 < rxr> but I'm more afraid ...
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18:09 < rxr> does anyone here need galeon? I consider wiping it ...
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18:19 < mnemoc> i dont ;)
18:19 < dsoul> ga what?:)
18:20 < mnemoc> i dont use/want galeon ;)
18:20 < mnemoc> don't*
18:21 < rxr> good - deleted
18:23 < rxr> but gnome freaks can enjoy the other updates incooperated
18:23 < rxr> + gimp in the makes
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19:00 < blindy> okay, I now formally give up on compiling ROCK Linux on Sparc64 for Sparc64
19:01 < blindy> selecting gcc3-cross as kernel compiler gives the following:
19:01 < blindy> make[1]: sparc-unknown-linux-gnu-kcc-3-cross: Command not found
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19:21 < MadTux> good day.
19:22 < blindy> moin MadTux 
19:22 < mnemoc> PurpleTux!
19:32 < MadTux> hello blindy.
19:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: u really want to be kicked don't u ?
19:33 < mnemoc> purple like the priests ;)
19:33 < MadTux> Mr. Tie could u please kick hom? i mean blindy.
19:34 < MadTux> him*
19:35  * blindy kicks mnemoc 
19:35 < blindy> MadTux: satisfied? :)
19:35 < mnemoc> did you pants got teared?
19:36 < blindy> ?
19:38  * mnemoc imagines blindy on a suite ;)
19:38 < MadTux> hehehe
19:38 < MadTux> blindy: thx.
19:38 < MadTux> ah what a nice day :)
19:42 < MadTux> OMFG... a client just sent me one of those chain mail to my pager...
19:42 < mnemoc> LOL
19:42 < mnemoc> ... gotta go... see you later
19:43 < blindy> MadTux: cut all business contact with him NOW
19:44 < MadTux> cya mnemoc 
19:45 < MadTux> blindy: well he pays me $300 a month just to go like 2 times a month for 1 hour or so... i think i can live with that.. but i will call and warn him .. next time he will be blocked.
19:45 < blindy> good
19:46 < MadTux> geez.. i can't believe how stupid people can be sometimes..
19:57  * rolla hangs his head in shame
20:00 < MadTux> oh hello rolla. what are u ashamed of?
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20:50 < nzg> moin
20:51 < MadTux> nazgul!
20:54 < nzg> moin MadTux
20:55 < nzg> ehm legolas ;-)
20:56 < netrunne1> anyone ever booted a rock-install via network and can give me hints?
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21:22 < mnemoc> rehi
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21:53 < mnemoc> how can i revert a revision on svn?
21:57 < blindy> svn up -r revision niumber
22:00 < mnemoc> svn up -r 38 <--- i'll be on thar revision after that, aren't i?
22:03 < mnemoc> revert means do the oposite and commit again or 'that did never happened'?
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22:04 < daja77> nope revert sets the file the state of the repositiry when you changed it locally _before_ commiting that changes
22:05 < mnemoc> then how can i ${undo} a commit?
22:06 < daja77> why not asking in #svn
22:06 < jsaw> svn merge -r ?
22:07 < daja77> and commiting again, yes that could work, but this is not undoin like he means it
22:08 < mnemoc> they will tell me to dump the db and blah blah blah....
22:08 < jsaw> commits in itself cannot be undone...so?
22:08 < mnemoc> svn merge sounds good
22:08 < mnemoc> thanks both :)
22:09 < jsaw> (this was just a wild guess, i don't know how and if it works...)
22:09 < daja77> hm that sounds interisting if you can tell svnadmin load to specifiy up to which rev to load
22:09 < netrunner> hm, almost there ... 
22:09 < netrunner> it's so easy, you would laugh :)
22:09 < MadTux> re.
22:10 < mnemoc> rm Tuxie
22:10 < mnemoc> mmm.... s/rm/re/
22:10 < daja77> netrunner: ?
22:10 < netrunner> daja77: I try to setup my new laptop using pxeboot. It gets everything, but then says "initrd: going to re-mount root now." and then "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!"
22:11 < daja77> d'oh
22:14 < MadTux> rm: cannot remove `Tuxie': Permission denied
22:15 < mnemoc> :p
22:15  * daja77 laughing out loud
22:16 < MadTux> hey Ale, Danny and all.
22:17 < daja77> hi MadTux 
22:17 < daja77> someone found this line in plan9 license agreement
22:17 < daja77> I will not be using Plan 9 in the creation of weapons of mass destruction to be used by nations other than the US
22:17 < mnemoc> other than the US?
22:18 < blindy> guess it's a default line for US exports
22:18 < blindy> I've seen this one more often
22:19 < daja77> no idea, some idiot on qemu mailinglist just asking if that means that plan9 is used by the us to develop weapons of mass destruction ...
22:19 < blindy> idiots
22:19 < blindy> just because a comes from b, b doesn't necessarily come from a
22:19 < netrunner> oh, I had the wrong initrd, now I have the rock boot :)
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22:20 < daja77> yep
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22:25  * blindy --> bed
22:26 < MadTux> n8 blindy
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22:28 < netrunner> argl, now I need to build a bootdisk with e1000 for my laptop :/
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22:34 < daja77> this rocklinux on google effect hurts
22:41 < mnemoc> i always found myself talking about the thing i want to know :(
22:41 < daja77> yeah that sucks
22:43 < mnemoc> win 12
22:43 < mnemoc> oops
22:48 < daja77> hm found sth in gentoo bug db ^^
22:49 < mnemoc> :p
23:08 < rxr> re
23:08 < mnemoc> re rxr
23:10  * daja77 trying ffmpeg gentoo patch
23:10 < daja77> it does not apply
23:10 < daja77> hey I don't get it, that's the second patch I try from their bug db and both did not apply
23:11 < rxr> daja77: obviously you are not as skilled as gentooers then ...
23:12 < daja77> and i mean not that thing that they are o0, already fixed that ...
23:14 < rxr> o0 ? 
23:14 < daja77> p0
23:16 < rxr> what do you mean with p0? ;-)
23:16 < mnemoc> the patches
23:17 < mnemoc> -p0
23:17 < daja77> the -p0 flag of patch
23:18 < daja77> strange ffmpeg has already a gcc-3.4.patch but does not compile anyway
23:19 < rxr> ah - yes ...
23:19 < rxr> hm - the new gimp does nto compile on PowerPC - libtool screams ...
23:19 < daja77> hmpf
23:19 < rxr> how can they break s.th. simple as linking from one version to another ...
23:19 < rxr> damn gtk+ / Gnome C crap ...
23:20 < daja77> ah that reminds me of reverting your libgnomemm update
23:20 < mnemoc> *g*
23:22 < mnemoc> Merging changes 3177:3297 from master <--- this will hurt
23:22 < daja77> ack
23:22 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you about adding /etc/opt/apache/conf.d to rock?
23:22 < daja77> btw does scripts/Update-Src works for anyone but clifford?
23:23 < mnemoc> i don't want to try it :)
23:23 < daja77> i did as he told me, but it did not work
23:24 < mnemoc> hmm? packages/gnome2 on 2.0?? i don't think that is the kind of changes allowed on stable tree...
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: no - not Gnome 2.6
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: I just renamed the Gnome 2.4 stuff to make merging easier
23:25 < rxr> mnemoc: this is a cosmetic change - and I'll of course _not_ pull the 2.6 updates
23:26 < mnemoc> ic,... but it will damage targets and config using old pkgsel 
23:26 < mnemoc> i understand the merge problem too
23:26 < rxr> this is a one line change - and we only had this in the desktop target
23:27  * daja77 wondering if i should upgrade his laptop with gcc-3.4 build before ltag
23:27 < rxr> of course 3rd party trees need to remove this one number from gnome24b ...
23:27 < rxr> daja77: I now found one major issue using gcc-3.4 on this iBook - ghostscript does work - it seg-faults during some init stuff ....
23:28 < mnemoc> and CONFIG_PROFILING=y on default kernel?
23:29 < daja77> rxr: i tried using the latest gcc-3.4 snapshot but it broke glibc and i lost interest ...
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc: this was cliffords change - I just merged the linux26 update
23:30 < rxr> mnemoc: this is just ooprofile (I hope) - if not we should also remove it from 2.6 ...
23:30 < rxr> erhm - 2.1 ...
23:30 < mnemoc> :)
23:30 < mnemoc> but do we need ooprofile on default kernel?
23:31 < mnemoc> i think it is fat enough
23:31 < rxr> might be handy if you want to verify s.th.
23:31 < rxr> duno if it has a huge size impact ...
23:31 < rxr> please raise this on rock-devel and CC the patch submitter, clifford in this case ... ;-)
23:32 < daja77> oh no with that errors I don't wanna install, perhaps in emulator
23:32 < mnemoc> ok
23:43 < daja77> weee I fixed qemu ;)
23:43 < daja77> rxr: the -Os broke it, perhaps this is a problem for some other packages too
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23:44 < MadTux> anyone knows of a tool for strace log analisys?
23:48 < rxr> this is a jok
23:48 < rxr> those gimp freaks miss this line for one target in a pluging Makefile:
23:48 < rxr> $(GTK_LIBS)
23:48  * rxr wonders why he could slap those Gnome folks every few hours
23:50 < MadTux> rxr: well i can arrange to have Federico Mena here to discuss this if u want? (Fede = Co-Founder of Gnome)
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23:51 < daja77> ;)
23:51 < MadTux> hola Fede.
23:51 < federico> hola MadTux
23:52 < MadTux> folks this is my friend Federico Mena.. rxr and all.. any comments or questions about gnome could be asked now
23:52 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have i minute? about lx_config
23:52 < rxr> hum - maybe ...
23:53 < daja77> hi federico 
23:53 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll query to let you speak freely to federico ;)
23:53 < mnemoc> hi Federico
23:53 < rxr> I have no time for Gnome stuff anway ...
23:53 < rxr> hi federico 
23:54 < federico> hi guys
23:55 < MadTux> rxr: i though u wanted to have a change to "talk" about gnome with one of the devs?
23:56 < rxr> I was just muttering that Gimp-2.0.2 does not build out of the box ...
23:56 < rxr> (here on PowerPC)
23:56 < MadTux> ok.
23:57 < rxr> but welcome federico ;-) feel free to join talking ...
23:57 < daja77> hm i could grep for gnome errlogs ;)
23:57 < federico> rxr: did you report it?
23:58 < rxr> federico: I just add the few stay missing lines to the makefile, and commit it into the ROCK Linux trunk ...
23:58 < rxr> federico: if I have more free seconds I send it upstream ...
23:58 < rxr> federico: but something other comes to mind
23:58 < federico> rxr: you must send it upstream, otherwise no one will notice
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