--- Log opened Fri Jun 18 00:00:15 2004
--- Day changed Fri Jun 18 2004
00:00 < rxr> federico: do you have an idea why lunching applications using lunchers icons on the desktop might fail in 2.6.x with some erorr message (I do not remember exactly what it was - some missing assotiation stuff)?
00:00 < rxr> federico: is there some particular package that needs to be installed for this?
00:00 < rxr> federico: shared-mime-info is sintalled
00:00 < rxr> installed even ...
00:03 < federico> rxr: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.6/notes/rninstallation.html
00:03 < federico> rxr: that's part of the release notes; make sure you install things in the order mentioned there
00:03 < federico> rxr: (or you can use prebuilt packages)
00:05 < daja77> hm we prebuild the packages ;)
00:05 < mnemoc> it seem we need to change some orders ;)
00:08 < rxr> federico: hm - I take a look, but AFAIR it worked here for me - but not on my girlfriends box ... :-(
00:08 < rxr> this is also why I do not have the exact error message handy ...
00:08 < rxr> gnome-mime-data is still needed?
00:08 < federico> rxr: yes
00:09 < rxr> federico: I thought the old 2.4 mime-data was fully replaced with shared-mime-data?
00:09 < federico> rxr: I have no idea; I haven't worked on the mime system since the 1.x days
00:10 < rxr> federico: could you verify? I just removed the gnome-mime-data from ROCK Linux, today ...
00:11 < mnemoc> outch
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00:13 < mnemoc> wow... a colombian :)
00:13 < MadTux> hola lorena
00:13 < mnemoc> uhm?
00:13 < burbuja> eyyyy :D
00:13 < burbuja> MadTux: h! ;)
00:13 < daja77> hey now the spansih speaking are finally outnumbering us ;)
00:14 < mnemoc> MadTux: no nos la vas a presentar? ;)
00:14 < mnemoc> daja77: yeah
00:14 < burbuja> federico: eyyyyy amiguito 
00:14 < burbuja> mnemoc: hola 
00:14 < federico> rxr: I really don't know the difference, but if the release notes list it, trust it :)
00:15 < mnemoc> welcome burbuja :)
00:15 < federico> burbuja: hola!
00:15 < burbuja> mnemoc: thanks :D
00:15 < burbuja> federico: eyy y vos que como andas?? pq tan perdido?
00:17 < mnemoc> .oO( this used to be a LANG=en_US channel ;-)o
00:17 < federico> burbuja: ¿cuál perdido?  siempre estoy en los mismos canales
00:17 < MadTux> burbuja: hehehe
00:17 < burbuja> federico: pero no respondes ome!!
00:17 < MadTux> the spanish speakers invation
00:17 < burbuja> MadTux: ve :P
00:18 < MadTux> burbuja: federico please export LANG=en_US/UK
00:20 < federico> burbuja: where do I not answer?
00:20 < burbuja> federico: pos en #gnome-hispano
00:21 < MadTux> burbuja: - english please -
00:21 < federico> burbuja: you are not even there right now, so don't complain ;)
00:21 < mnemoc> =)
00:21 < MadTux> TOM!
00:21 < MadTux> TOME*
00:21 < MadTux> digo.. opps :)
00:22 < burbuja> MadTux: acordate soy de .co jaja :P
00:22 < daja77> >_<
00:22 < mnemoc> daja77: are you too lost?
00:22 < daja77> not with the chan 
00:22 < mnemoc> :)
00:22 < MadTux> daja77: well think of it as a good momento to pactice and improve ur spanish
00:22 < burbuja> federico: pero no ahora, la semana pasada
00:23 < daja77> yeah i can multiply my knowlegde in spanish, the base is zero
00:23 < MadTux> daja77: hehe
00:23 < MadTux> ok i must leave u all now.. school calls.
00:23 < daja77> hf
00:23 < federico> MadTux: see you
00:24 < MadTux> federico: NICE seen u here.. we will keep intouch for this strace tool developement
00:24 < MadTux> cya all
00:24 < burbuja> MadTux: chaolin ;)
00:24 < MadTux>  LONG LIFE TO GNOME!
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00:25 < daja77> hm version 1.4 was quite nice ;)
00:26 < mnemoc> =D
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00:32 < Lorini> n8 
00:32 < mnemoc> n8 Lorini 
00:35  * daja77 dancing around
00:35 < daja77> ffmpeg package works again
00:36  * mnemoc hugs daja77 
00:39 < daja77> ;)
00:43 < mnemoc> rxr:?
00:44 < rxr> yep?
00:45 < mnemoc> you never answered by query :(
00:46 < daja77> d'oh i destroyed the errlist to grab out other broken stuff
00:47 < daja77> rxr: soemone just told me that 2.6.7 final is out, dunno if you still want to integrate it
00:50 < daja77> strange spam that is
00:50 < rxr> linux kernel?
00:50 < daja77> rxr: yep
00:50 < rxr> sure - already started to update it the day before yesterday ...
00:50 < daja77> hf
00:53 < rxr> warning - flood, what a master piece of engeneering:
00:53 < rxr> --- ./plug-ins/common/Makefile.in.orig  2004-06-17 23:49:47.332120072 +0200
00:53 < rxr> +++ ./plug-ins/common/Makefile.in       2004-06-17 23:50:30.527553368 +0200
00:53 < rxr> @@ -1351,6 +1351,7 @@
00:53 < rxr>         $(libgimpcolor)                                                 \
00:53 < rxr>         $(libgimpbase)                                                  \
00:53 < rxr>         $(GLIB_LIBS)                                                    \
00:53 < rxr> +       $(GTK_LIBS)                                                     \
00:53 < rxr>         $(RT_LIBS)                                                      \
00:53 < rxr>         $(INTLLIBS)
00:53 < rxr> @@ -1532,6 +1533,7 @@
00:53 < rxr>         $(libgimpcolor)                                                 \
00:53 < rxr>         $(libgimpbase)                                                  \
00:53 < rxr>         $(GLIB_LIBS)                                                    \
00:53 < rxr> +       $(GTK_LIBS)                                                     \
00:53 < rxr>         $(RT_LIBS)                                                      \
00:53 < rxr>         $(INTLLIBS)
01:01 < daja77> ok restarted building broken packages, list should be a bit shorter this time
01:01 < daja77> n8
01:02 < rxr> n8 daja77 
01:14 < federico> rxr: patching the .in doesn't make much sense; maybe something is broken in the .am instead?
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01:36 < mnemoc> federico: sure, but to us (a build kit) patching .am hurts
01:36 < mnemoc> autogen, aclocal, etc....
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02:40 < rolla> re
02:40 < mnemoc> re rolla 
02:57 < mnemoc> SMP,rolla: about apache package. i want to ask on config suexec-docroot. should i use that docroot as datadir too?
02:57 < rolla> yes
02:58 < mnemoc> uhm.. datadir is not being given to configure
02:58 < rolla> ?
02:59 < mnemoc> take a look into apache.conf
02:59 < rolla> which one?
02:59 < mnemoc> i'm reading 2.0-stable but i gues both are equal
03:00 < rolla> oh I don't have it right now
03:00 < mnemoc> it sets datadir="$localstatedir/lib"
03:00 < mnemoc> but $datadir is _never_ used
03:01 < mnemoc> silly me....
03:01 < mnemoc> --datadir is one of the standard args silently added
03:02 < mnemoc> rolla, you use docroot=datadir?
03:02 < fake> mnemoc: which does not implicate it's used in the Makefile.{in/am}
03:02 < rolla> nope
03:03 < mnemoc> fake: it is used ;)
03:03 < mnemoc> but i hate /var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs
03:04 < mnemoc> currently datadir=/var/opt/apache/lib, docroot=/var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs
03:05 < mnemoc> i wonder if that fits anyone's needs
03:06 < fake> mnemoc: that's perfect
03:06 < mnemoc> fake: that path is discusting
03:06 < fake> mnemoc: it's exactly where it should be??
03:07 < mnemoc> /var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs/client/service/blah is..... unconfortable
03:07 < fake> mnemoc: symlink it wherever you want, i want it right there (we agreed on this on the 2003 dev meeting, iirc)
03:07 < mnemoc> to do suexec cgi need to be phisicaly bellow docroot
03:07 < mnemoc> or am i wrong?
03:08 < fake> i don;t have the slightest idea :)
03:08 < mnemoc> btw, you have never tell the _other_ developers what you agree on that meetings :(
03:08 < fake> mnemoc: there was a report to the ML
03:09 < fake> mnemoc: don't make me search it *g*
03:09 < mnemoc> i dont remember to have read that..... i'll search
03:10 < fake> and if not, it's a finished item in flyspray
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03:10 < mnemoc> then you think a patch to choose a different docroot will be rejected?
03:11 < fake> mnemoc: i'd say let's discuss this on the ML
03:13 < fake> http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&id=40
03:13 < fake> i - rule ;)
03:14 < mnemoc> i was searching lurker :\
03:15 < mnemoc> it was moved to var, ack. but an unconfortable place on /var
03:16 < mnemoc> fake: btw, last fhs move it to /srv :|
03:17 < mnemoc> it includes /media and /srv ...
03:17 < mnemoc> .oO( we mailed a lot on that time )o
03:25 < mnemoc> fake i reviewed three weeks after dev-meeting on 08-2003 and no report
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05:53 < mnemoc> anyone has tryied to build apache-2.0.49?
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07:06 < blindy> moin
07:22 < netrunne1> hi blindy/mnemoc
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07:37 < BoS> moin moin
07:39  * blindy off to work
07:39 < netrunne1> people taking part on the lt event shall read infomail #8.7#
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08:10  * netrunner first time resizing his thinkpad ntfs partition
09:25 < netrunner> toll, created fstab file: <empty>
09:29 < BoS> which version rock?
09:32 < netrunner> 2.1.0-DEV
09:33 < BoS> mhh ... i know it from daja77 since yesterday 
09:33 < netrunner> had it before.
09:34 < netrunner> forgot about it .)
09:34 < blindy> re
09:34 < netrunner> hi blindy
09:34 < BoS> rehi
09:35 < blindy> with a little luch I won't be netless in Berlin ^^
09:35 < blindy> I just talked with the person up there and got told that there is a "broadband internet connection available"
09:36 < blindy> whatever that means :/
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09:39 < netrunner> ah, syntax error in awk script
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10:13 < buhzi> fake: are you there?
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10:17 < mX5> hi
10:17 < mX5> have rock got an prog to set the background?
10:20 < netrunner> xsetroot
10:20 < mX5> kk thx.;)
10:26 < mX5> have I to take a bitmap file for an wallpaper?
10:26 < netrunner> mX5: as the manpage says, yes.
10:27 < mX5> ..kk..thank you...cya
10:28 < blindy> you can use icewmbg if you use icewm
10:29 < mX5> no..i got waimea
10:29 < mX5> ..but its ok with xsetroot..;)
10:34 < mX5> is it a usuall .bmp ? because it doesnt function
10:36 < blindy> xpm
10:38 < mX5> kk..;)
10:39 < mX5> as i have read in the man ia cannot take a pic for a background or i didnt understood it.;)
10:41 < mX5> i thought i need the .xpm file only for icewm..or not?
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10:44 < nzg> moin
10:55 < mX5> moin..;)
10:56 < mX5> mit xsetroot kannse kein background machen oda bin ich heut moin nur verplant.;)
10:57 < blindy> doesn't waimea have an option/theme syntax/program for that?
10:58 < mX5> yes..but you have to execute an prog to set the bg
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11:04 < blindy> so do it
11:05 < mX5> dont know which format...man says bitmap...usull .bmp files doesnt work..o.O
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11:14 < blindy> moin esden 
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11:16 < esden> moin blindy 
11:17  * esden is booting his brain
11:17 < netrunner> esden: could you please bring my hw to the uni today?
11:18 < esden> if you ask me nicely then yes ;)
11:19 < dsoul> hi esden 
11:19 < netrunner> esden: bueddebuedde :)
11:19  * netrunner rocked his laptop. nice :)
11:19 < dsoul> i'll boot my brain when i'll find it :P
11:19 < netrunner> enobrain
11:20 < blindy> esden: are you in IN this weekend?
11:20 < blindy> better, tomorrow?
11:20 < blindy> today?
11:21 < blindy> because of my blinkenLEDs
11:21 < esden> yes I am
11:21 < esden> my god ... so many people need so many things from me ... *sigh*
11:22 < blindy> no, you borrowed so many thing from so many people :)
11:22 < esden> :P
11:25 < netrunner> YES!!! new .cache files :)
11:28 < dsoul> :)
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11:32 < netrunner> argl, now I have to commit my packages so I can smap them in my laptop or what?
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11:54 < owl> moin
11:54 < netrunner> hi owl 
11:54 < owl> hi netrunner 
12:06 < rxr> moin
12:06 < dsoul> hi owl :)
12:06 < owl> hi rxr , dsoul 
12:40 < Lorini> moin
12:45 < dsoul> hi Lorini 
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13:24 < holyolli> moin all together :)
13:24 < owl> hi holyolli ! :)
13:24 < Lorini> hi holyolli
13:24 < holyolli> hu owl, Lorini
13:24 < dsoul> hi holyolli :)
13:24 < holyolli> hi dsoul
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14:05 < tcr> moin all
14:05 < holyolli> huhu tcr
14:05 < owl> hi tcr 
14:08 < dsoul> hi tcr 
14:14 < tcr> Yeah, hi
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14:16 < Vroum> hi all
14:18 < owl> hi Vroum 
14:38 < rolla> re
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14:38 < holyolli> hi rolla :)
14:38 < rolla> hallo holyolli
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15:18 < daja77> sweet the two fixes i made yesterday reduced build error count from 184 to 135
15:25 < dsoul> :)
15:26 < daja77> but clifford's remark si true ...
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15:40 < rolla> it also should be easier to install one of the 2 desktops without having to dig around and remove the one you don't want
15:41 < daja77> true dat
15:42 < rolla> :)
16:10 < owl> re 
16:10 < owl> *shooting next available person*
16:11 < dsoul> :>
16:11  * daja77 pointing to netrunner 
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16:12 < MadTux> hello.
16:13 < holyolli> madtux! :)
16:13 < MadTux> Ollie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:14 < owl> why?
16:14 < owl> hi MadTux 
16:14 < dsoul> hi MadTux 
16:15 < MadTux> owlita.., Mike :)
16:15 < dsoul> :)
16:25 < owl> off again. 
16:25 < owl> bye. 
16:30 < dsoul> bye owl 
16:33 < holyolli> cya
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16:40 < mnemoc> moin
16:41 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
16:42 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
16:51  * netrunner downgrading hostap :/
16:57  * mnemoc downgrading apache
16:58 < mnemoc> .oO( this sucks )o
16:58 < rxr> hm?
16:58 < mnemoc> it fail to build suexec
16:58 < mnemoc> it claim that libdb-4.2.a doesn't have index
16:58 < mnemoc> but it has
17:00 < rxr> which apache version?
17:01 < mnemoc> 2049
17:01 < MadTux> hello mnemoc, rene und nety
17:01 < rxr> hm - not had problems with this one yet
17:01 < rxr> hi MadTux 
17:02 < mnemoc> add --enable-suexec and you will ;)
17:02 < mnemoc> Welcome back my Lord
17:02 < rxr> ah, ok
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe fix it? ;-)
17:03 < mnemoc> i don't know what to fix
17:03 < MadTux> thx mnemoc.
17:03 < mnemoc> libtool say it has no index and it has
17:06 < mnemoc> i'm comparing 2048 and 2049 log files
17:06 < mnemoc> but i don't see anything significative
17:07 < rxr> ah - libtool my favourite tool to band
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17:08 < daja77> hehe
17:08 < mnemoc> mine too
17:10 < rxr> I consider writing an article about those topics:
17:10 < rxr> - auto* and libtoo - any why they are evil
17:11 < rxr> - C++ vs. Java - any why Java is never going to be faster
17:11 < rxr> I hate this Java beats C++ benchmarks that show up every few weeks ...
17:12 < mnemoc> have you read 'recursive makefile considered harmfull'?
17:14 < rxr> yes - I think so
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17:18 < mnemoc> wtf.... 2048 fails too now
17:18 < mnemoc> .oO( last time i build 4.1/2048 )o
17:18 < daja77> recursive autmake files considered deadly
17:19 < mnemoc> can anyone try adding --enable-suexec there to see if i am the bug?
17:19 < mnemoc> hi daja77 :)
17:20 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
17:21 < mnemoc> maybe something in my bdb patch.... but i don't think so
17:21 < mnemoc> dammit
17:22 < rxr> mnemoc: I can not test ...
17:22 < mnemoc> :(
17:23  * mnemoc will have to live with the idea of being a bug forever :'(
17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: you? Who told you so?
17:23 < mnemoc> myself
17:24 < daja77> hehe http://www.linuxtag.org/2004/talk.do?id=e104 
17:25 < MadTux> mnemoc: u are no bug.
17:25 < mnemoc> maybe i am a new feature ;)
17:26 < mnemoc> damn libtool!!!!
17:28 < mnemoc> daja77, no english version? :(
17:29 < daja77> haven't found one
17:31 < daja77> the vserver talk will be in english
17:32 < daja77> ok one fo them
17:33 < mnemoc> :)
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17:48 < mnemoc> rxr:?
17:56 < rxr> re
17:57 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
17:59 < dsoul> hi rxr 
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18:06 < rxr> hm - the freex editor in chief is unbelieveable
18:06 < rxr> they seems to wanna get around paying me for the last article
18:08 < tcr> parse error :)
18:08 < rxr> and now she is upset I want to get money for the article and canclled all future cooperation
18:08 < rxr> tcr: s/they/she/
18:09 < tcr> Ah
18:09 < rxr> damn crap
18:09 < daja77> ack
18:09 < tcr> Maybe you should have contracted that a priori?
18:10 < rxr> tcr: what?
18:11 < tcr> That you want to get paid
18:11 < rxr> we talk about that in priori ...
18:11 < rxr> talked even
18:12 < tcr> Well, then it's another thing
18:12 < daja77> it is nothing unusally, in contrary
18:12 < daja77> unusual even
18:13 < mnemoc> rxr: # file sha1.lo
18:13 < mnemoc> sha1.lo: ASCII English text
18:13 < mnemoc> # sha1.lo - a libtool object file
18:13 < mnemoc> # Generated by ltmain.sh - GNU libtool 1.5 (1.1220 2003/04/05 19:32:58)
18:14 < mnemoc> that's what the fscking 'l' means
18:15 < mnemoc> *mini*flood*warning*
18:15 < mnemoc> *mini*flood*warning*
18:15 < mnemoc> # Please DO NOT delete this file!
18:15 < mnemoc> # It is necessary for linking the library.
18:15 < mnemoc> # Name of the PIC object.
18:15 < mnemoc> pic_object='.libs/sha1.o'
18:15 < mnemoc> # Name of the non-PIC object.
18:15 < mnemoc> non_pic_object='sha1.o'
18:15 < mnemoc> *flood finished*
18:16 < mnemoc> it's of the same form than .la files
18:16 < mnemoc> WTF bdb is packaging this!!
18:17 < mnemoc> this didn't happened on bdb4.1
18:31 < netrunner> rxr: what about rockplug and firmware?
18:38 < rxr> netrunner: implement s.th. if you need it ...
18:39 < netrunner> rxr: I am not common with all those plug mechanisms :/
18:40 < rxr> global advice: never ever write for the freex - and better hesitate to invest in it ...
18:40 < rxr> netrunner: then write to me or rock-devel what you need to be done 
18:48 < netrunner> rxr: If I find out, ok :)
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19:20 < esden> hi ho
19:20 < dsoul> hi esden 
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22:53 < netrunner> rxr: the link to the handbook in /etc/rockplug/README is broken. (s/www/dl/)
23:00 < rxr> re
23:01 < rxr> netrunner: thanks
23:03  * netrunner trying his best to append rockplug :)
23:10 < mnemoc> rehi 
23:12 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
23:13 < netrunner> wow, works :)
23:13 < netrunner> rxr: is it bad that I copied some lines from hotplug?
23:13 < rxr> not perfect ... but we'll see
23:15 < netrunner> it's trivial stuff ... I'll send a patch for rockplug and you can decide.
23:16 < mnemoc> hi rxr, netrunner 
23:16 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
23:22 < rxr> next merging round
23:22 < rxr> please watch me carefully 
23:22 < netrunner> wtf? when I type scp file andreas@waterworld in konsole, it automatically escapes the @ and copies file to a file called "andreas@waterworld"
23:24 < mnemoc> netrunner: add : after machuine name
23:24 < netrunner> oh :)
23:24 < rxr> netrunner: ACK - this is a typo - not a konsole bug
23:25 < netrunner> rxr: my bad ;) - is the patch ok on rock-devel or would it be considered random junk?
23:26 < netrunner> hm, maybe I add configuration of the firmware dir to stone ...
23:27 < rxr> we do not need/want a config option for any random dir ...
23:28 < netrunner> true. 
23:33 < netrunner> now I can go to bed and watch dvd ;)
23:35 < rxr> hehe - have fun
23:36 < mnemoc> syslinux-2.10 (i can't send the patches right now)
23:41 < mnemoc> n8 netrunner 
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