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01:51 < mnemoc> how was the match against $lituania?
01:52 < mnemoc> i couldn't watch it :(
01:57 < mnemoc> letonia* :p
02:00 < sack^> latvia? ;)
02:01 < mnemoc> that's the real name of it?
02:02 < sack^> I think it is
02:02 < mnemoc> =)
02:02 < mnemoc> how was it?
02:02 < sack^> got somewhat confused myself hehe
02:02 < SMP> yup, Latvia
02:02 < SMP> mnemoc: 0;0
02:02 < mnemoc> oh
02:02 < mnemoc> zero?
02:03 < mnemoc> nothing?
02:03 < sack^> hmm GER was definitely the better team, but... they couldnt score
02:03 < SMP> zilch,
02:03 < mnemoc> :)
02:03 < sack^> latvia should have got 2 penalties though
02:03 < sack^> :-o
02:04 < sack^> but Netherlands vs the Czech Republic was a great game
02:04 < mnemoc> .de could have loose against $latvia? uff
02:04 < sack^> yeah ; )
02:04 < sack^> now its do or die against the Czechs
02:05 < mnemoc> Czech had won both aren't them?
02:06 < sack^> yeah the beat the Netherlands 3-2 today
02:06 < sack^> after being down 0-2
02:06 < mnemoc> wow
02:07  * SMP hacking away in C#
02:07 < mnemoc> :)
02:08 < sack^> best game I've seen so far ; ) very offensive
02:09 < mnemoc> i'll watch (vhs) tonight (8pm here)
02:10 < sack^> where u from?
02:10 < mnemoc> .cl
02:10 < mnemoc> try to guess where is it ;)
02:11 < SMP> . o O ( traceroute ..?)
02:12 < mnemoc> whois said i'm at .ar :\
02:13 < sack^> hehe
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02:19 < mnemoc> SMP: what are you doing exactly?
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02:24 < sack^> k, gotta go f0r now, gnite everyone
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02:31 < rolla> re
02:36 < mnemoc> re rolla 
02:36 < rolla> thanks
02:43 < rolla> mnemoc: do you use x11-org?
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04:12 < mnemoc> rolla: not yet
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08:54 < blindy> moin
09:11 < blindy> WEE! There's a WLAN hotspot 1.7 km away from where I'll live in Berlin
09:11 < blindy> I like Berlin more and more
09:12  * blindy packing stuff
09:41 < owl> moin, moin
09:41 < owl> hehehe. 
09:43 < blindy> moin owl
09:45 < owl> hi blindy 
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10:38 < valentin> blindy:there is no need for commercial hotspots in berlin. the density of open wlans is about 10/km^2
10:39 < blindy> valentin: just in case :)
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10:50 < valentin> blindy: which area of berlin will you move to ?
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11:24 < blindy> back
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11:46 < netrunne1> minsen
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11:46 < netrunne1> blindy: what does it help 1.7km away?
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12:06 < StefanG> netrunne1: good antenna and he can use it :)
12:06 < blindy> netrunner: it's a for-pay hotspot anyway
12:07 < StefanG> ohh .. thats not good %-)
12:07 < blindy> better than nothing
12:07 < StefanG> yes, but a free wlan all over the city would be better ...
12:09 < StefanG> as i heared in freiburg they are building a free wlan for the inner city
12:09 < blindy> nice
12:09 < StefanG> but i don't live in freiburg *g*
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12:09 < StefanG> still waiting for our wlan at university
12:10 < StefanG> should be installed this summer ...
12:10 < StefanG> (5 years to late *g*)
12:10 < StefanG> ok, have to go now
12:10 < StefanG> cul8er
12:11 < blindy> bye
12:11 < StefanG> http://www.fr-wlan.de/
12:39  * blindy now off to Berlin
12:39 < blindy> bye
12:41 < daja77> cu blindy 
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12:47 < city_shark> hello does anyone know where i can see which kernel version drock 2.0.1 desktop rock linux uses?
12:48 < owl> bye blindy 
12:52 < daja77> on a running system?
12:52 < city_shark> no just to know which kernel it will use when i install it
12:52 < city_shark> im kinda new to linux
12:54 < city_shark> i'm downloading 3 isos for drock but i didnt find any info on which kernel versions it contains
12:57 < daja77> you could loop mount the second cd and look at the version of linux24*.gem
12:59 < city_shark> is the drock more like a closed distro or do i have to compile all stuff like for the professional rock linux?
12:59 < netrunne1> city_shark: nothing is closed here.
12:59 < netrunne1> city_shark: the thing you download is precompiled. but you can recompile what you want 
13:00 < city_shark> i mean a finished distro ready to install :P
13:00 < netrunne1> yup sure 
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13:00 < daja77> it is ready to install
13:00 < city_shark> w000t
13:00 < city_shark> k ill come back when i have probs :P. bye and thx
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13:01  * netrunner likes the comparison "desktop rocklinux" vs. "professional rocklinux" :)
13:01 < daja77> hehe we should sell home ed and prf ed like ms
13:01 < netrunner> like suse.
13:01 < daja77> prof
13:02 < daja77> yeah
13:02 < daja77> prof ed = home ed + kernel src
13:02 < netrunner>  .. + more $$ :)
13:02 < daja77> and about 100 euro more
13:02 < daja77> ;)
13:06 < Christian____> is rock present at linuxtag with an own booth like last year?
13:30 < netrunner> sure
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14:33 < rxr> re
14:36 < dsoul> hi rxr 
14:38 < owl> hi rxr , dsoul 
14:39 < dsoul> hi owl 
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15:16 < esden> hi ho
15:17 < dsoul> hi esden 
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15:19 < owl> hi esden 
15:20 < netrunne1> oh, an ipv6 surfer?
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15:25 < esden> humm ..
15:25 < esden> I do also want ip v6 ... how do I get that running? ... is there somewhere a howto? or so?
15:25 < esden> do I need a tunnel
15:25  * esden is a newby to ip v6
15:26  * esden coding aac ... ;)
15:48 < netrunner> esden: space.net offers ipv6 in muc ... but it does nto help if the core routers don't support it
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15:51 < owl> .oO(*feeling remembered to holiday*)
15:51 < owl> hi snyke 
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16:12 < esden> netrunner: that sucks >_<
16:13 < esden> *sigh* damn make
16:13 < esden> it is so stupid
16:30  * netrunner tweaking the hell out of rock. cpufreqd/laptopmode/acpid/ifplugd/...
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16:36 < tfing> netrunner: you can add swsusp2 too :)
16:37 < netrunner> tfing: thing is that I defined my swap to small :/
16:37 < netrunner> can I resize ext3?
16:37 < tfing> not really
16:37 < netrunner> damn
16:37 < tcr> Yeah you can
16:38 < netrunner> does resize2fs work with ext3?
16:38 < tcr> Yup
16:39 < tfing> hmm
16:39 < tfing> as long as you keep the beginning of the partition, there should be no problem
16:40 < tcr> I think resizing implies that, otherwise it'd be moving or something
16:40 < netrunner> checking ... 
16:40 < netrunner> damn.
16:41 < netrunner> I think I just tarbz2 my / and recreate the partitions. pxe works fine :)
16:42 < netrunner> tfing: or is 20MB more swap than mem enough?
16:42 < netrunner> it's completely empty ...
16:43 < tfing> the size suggested is 30% bigger than the ram 
16:43 < tfing> but you can also use a swap file
16:43 < netrunner> ok I'lll take that.
16:44 < netrunner> can you point me to a howto or something?
16:44 < tfing> http://swsusp.sourceforge.net/Software-suspend.html
16:44 < tfing> that's what i use
16:44 < tfing> it works fine for me on my 2.6.6
16:48 < netrunner> is there still a patch needed?
16:53 < owl>  http://swsusp.sourceforge.net/Software-suspend.html
16:53 < owl> sorry
16:56 < netrunner> hm. there's a not complete working 2.6.7 patch ... I'll better wait until it is fixed.
16:57 < owl> hoeh? why not complete working?
16:57 < netrunner> the guy that posted the patch says he gets tons of "Cleanup IO: Page count is 1. Not good!". 
16:57 < netrunner> doesn't sound comfortable to me
16:57 < owl> hm. yeah. 
16:58 < owl> .oO( /me didn't even get one of those Cleanuo IO-things yet)
16:58 < netrunner> with 2.6.7?
16:58 < owl> yeah
16:58 < netrunner> do you suspend to swap or to file?
16:59 < owl> swap
17:02 < netrunner> imho the multi-profile thing in rocknet does not work correctly. 
17:03 < netrunner> I have 2 profiles for eth1, and the iptables stuff of both is evaluated if I activate/deactivate one of them.
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17:11 < snafu`> hi
17:23 < netrunner> hi snafu
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17:54 < rxr> netrunner: ROCK Net does work 100% correctly in my use-cases
17:54 < rxr> netrunner: if it would not I would already have fixed it ...
17:55 < rxr> if it does not work for you send me the complete example and list examles uses and it's mis-behaviour in the mail
17:59 < netrunner> rxr: I still did not discard the possibility of pebkac, but will do if I don't get further.
17:59 < netrunner> rxr: when do you plan to arrive to lt btw? (time)
17:59 < netrunner> and how? if train, do you need to be picked up?
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18:09 < rxr> netrunner: as I already said maybe only valentin will be there ...
18:20 < netrunner> oh :/
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18:38 < netrunner> rxr: ok, it seems to be my fault. do you have a moment?
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19:03 < rxr> netrunner: just write here
19:03 < rxr> netrunner: I'm quite busy but can read and comment here ...
19:07 < netrunne1> rxr: I need a module to be loaded/unloaded before/after the interface is used.
19:07 < netrunne1> rxr: I tried a /etc/network/modules/modutils.sh and "code up 1 /sbin/modprobe ipw2100".
19:08 < netrunne1> rxr: I just learned that when the module is probed that obviously rocknet is executed.
19:09 < netrunne1> aaahh ... now writing this... could it be that rocknet is called by rockplug when the new interface is created by loading the module?
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19:11 < netrunner> yeah, modprobe ipw2100 and rmmod ipw2100 does what i wanted to do with ifup eth1 now.
19:16 < netrunner> sorry for thinking so loud :) I think I'll stay with modprobe/rmmod then.
19:18 < owl> remoin
19:19 < netrunner> owl: your day/night cycle seems disturbed ;)
19:19 < owl> *g* not really ;)
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19:29 < rxr> netrunner: yes
19:29 < netrunner> :)
19:30 < rxr> although I do not really like this - and I think I'm going to disable rock plug ifup / ifdown by default 
19:30 < rxr> I really hate that my airport stuff is configured on bootup - even when it is not listed as auto interface ...
19:31 < rxr> hm - I think I'll modify the desktop target to include much much less in the default config - s.th. like just 250 packages or so to fix on one CD and just contain the stuff needed for a "normal" deksopt ...
19:31 < rxr> desktop even ...
19:32 < netrunner> removing gnome would be a start :)
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19:47  * owl shocked
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19:48 < owl> .oO( Lorini's connection,also shocked)
19:50 < Lorini_> no. just my ... wonderful ... pc *grml*
19:50 < owl> why "wonderful"? ;)
19:52 < Lorini_> its terrible
19:52 < Lorini_> but maybe its windows ;)
19:54 < owl> hehehehe. then : "sz" :p
19:54 < Lorini_> sz?
19:55 < Lorini_> brb....
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19:56 < owl> sz = selbst zschuld ;P
19:56 < Lorini> lol
19:56 < Lorini> no
19:56 < Lorini> not this time :)
19:57 < owl> y?
19:57 < owl> ?
20:00 < netrunner> Lorini: share your problems, you are under friends :)
20:00 < Lorini> *g* yes, but my friends talk in english ;)
20:00 < mnemoc> moin
20:01 < owl> hihi
20:01 < owl> <- happy as never before *jump*
20:01 < mnemoc> i have no problem if you use some words in german while you describe your problem
20:02 < mnemoc> owl: new boyfriend?
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20:02 < Lorini> maybe owl wants to translate it ;)
20:02 < mx5> how could I install my printer under rock..??
20:03 < netrunner> hm, where would I get /etc/modprobe.devfs from? I have several failed to open in syslog
20:03 < owl> no! my beloved true ;) but - i would be able to stay some month in mallorca - for free... maybe work in a stall... and: the horse of a friend on mallorca is able to be ridden, again :)))
20:03 < rxr> mx5: start cups
20:04 < rxr> and then point your browser to localhost:631
20:04 < mx5> mom
20:04 < rxr> http://localhost:631/admin 
20:04 < rxr> there you have the normal CUPS ...
20:04 < rxr> additionally / optionally make youre the device the pirnter is connected to (parallel / usb) is available in /dev
20:04 < rxr> like
20:05 < rxr> /dev/usblp0
20:05 < rxr> /dev/printer/0 or so ...
20:05 < mx5> what is crups?
20:05 < mx5> what is cups?
20:06 < rxr> Common Unix Printing System
20:06 < mx5> how could I start it?
20:06 < rxr> used on MacOSX, ROCK Linux and many fore Linuxes or Unixes ...
20:06 < rxr> either as root:
20:06 < rxr> rc cups start
20:06 < mx5> mom
20:06 < rxr> and/or use "stone" to enable it for the runlevel you are using
20:09 < mx5> ok... cups is started
20:09 < mx5> now..??
20:11 < mx5> is that all I have to do?
20:11 < netrunner> mx5: start a browser and point it to http://localhost:631/admin
20:11 < netrunner> there you can add a printer
20:12 < mx5> i have to enter a username and a pw
20:12 < mnemoc> o_O
20:12 < mx5> k
20:12 < mx5> thx
20:13 < netrunner> mx5: take your root account
20:13 < mx5> what should I write under the point: LOCATION?
20:14 < netrunner> mx5: "my gf's wardrobe"
20:14 < mx5> ??
20:14 < netrunner> mx5: or whatever you like ;)
20:14 < mx5> k
20:16 < mx5> which driver should I take for a canon printer?
20:17 < mnemoc> .oO( this looks like a help-desk ;-)o
20:19 < rxr> mx5: oehm - I think the cannon brand and then choose one of the drivers offered in the next step ...
20:19 < rxr> mx5: are you new to linux? Or do you used s.th. more graphical before?
20:30 < mx5> im new
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20:43 < snafu`> gn8
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21:05 < netrunner> mx5: while you already have your browser open, try http://www.google.com/ and look for cups configuration howto or something.
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21:06 < rxr> hm
21:14 < netrunner> rxr: think I was to rude? :/
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21:54 < owl> wtf is snafu?
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22:51 < nzg> moin
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23:07 < netrunner> hi mX5, got some pages out? ;)
23:08 < Lorini> n8 everybody
23:10 < netrunner> n8 Lorini 
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