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00:41 < MadTux> hi.
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00:42 < alex-i> hi
00:43 < alex-i> Hmm... there's no security-minded subproject?
00:44 < MadTux> rock-selinux
00:44 < MadTux> not officialy released though
00:44 < MadTux> but someday when i have time it will.
00:44 < alex-i> Where can I download it?
00:44 < alex-i> Or, read?
00:44 < MadTux> what do u want to know about it?
00:45 < alex-i> What have been changed?
00:45 < alex-i> What patches, what sources, what recipes, problems?
00:45 < MadTux> well first of all u do know what selinux and/or grsecurity is?
00:45 < alex-i> sure
00:45 < MadTux> good.
00:46 < MadTux> well its a target inteded to have policies to kernel, daemons and even X11 in the mean time.. along with several patching to implement the FLASK architecture into rock.
00:47 < MadTux> s/implement/integrate
00:47 < alex-i> What about hgcc?
00:48 < alex-i> Like ProPolice?
00:48 < alex-i> It cause problem with build of XFree86 afaik. Has it been fixed?
00:48 < alex-i> sure
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00:49 < MadTux> gcc .. problem ... xfree ok u lost me somewhere
00:49 < MadTux> explain please
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00:50 < alex-i> Well, if you build it with gcc with -fstac-protector-all, it won't build
00:50 < alex-i> It was fixed in OpenBSD though.
00:51 < MadTux> mm.... i should try building xfree stuff
00:51 < alex-i> Actually, I'm asking because I tried to do this when I was applying hlfs instructions.
00:59 < MadTux> i must get back to u in a little while. i'm currently doing some troubleshooting.
01:01 < alex-i> k
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01:16 < Lorini> re
01:19 < alex-i> Hello
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02:33 < Vroum> green_day
02:33 < Vroum> :]
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07:33 < black_day> WTF!?
07:38 < rxr> moin
07:42 < MadTux> hello rxr.
07:42 < MadTux> mm... i should try to get some sleep.
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07:57 < black_day> esden|zZz: Are there irc logs for 2004?
08:03 < black_day> Btw, is there a mail-to-news gateway?
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08:08 < SMP> black_day: maybe gmane has the rock lists?
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08:11 < alex-i|zZz> SMP: I'll check.
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09:16 < netrunner> moin
09:25 < rxr> moin
09:38 < daja77> moin
09:41 < rxr> alex-i|zZz: you mean irclog like this:
09:41 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/
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09:54 < Vroum> Moin all
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10:41 < StefanG> jippii :)
10:43  * StefanG is in KA :)
10:47 < valentin> moin
10:49 < StefanG> who is at the rock box in the moment?
10:59  * netrunner 
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11:52 < fake> gmornin'
11:53 < StefanG> reee
11:56 < owl> moin fake 
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12:02 < fake> hi Lorini
12:02 < Lorini> moin moin
12:07 < StefanG> fake: still want to see me? :)
12:12 < fake> StefanG: there is some coffee ready ;)
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12:15  * daja77 starting his tour
12:15 < daja77> cu later that day
12:16 < valentin> Is the rock booth easy to find ?
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12:26 < fake> valentin: if you look at the plan ;P
12:26 < fake> cu daja!
12:26  * fake happy to get a shower later
13:08 < jsaw> rehi@lt
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13:14 < _NULL_> remoin
13:16 < Lorini> hi owl
13:18 < _NULL_> hi Lorini 
13:31 < netrunner> fake: now I know where this smell comes from ...
13:31 < Lorini> lol
13:32 < fake> netrunner: which smell?
13:34 < netrunner> small organisms enjoying the pleisures of their lives
13:36 < netrunner> ugh, now I was close to your feet :/
13:39 < netrunner> http://www.42.nu/~oli/cartoons/best_toilet_ever.jpg
13:41 < fake> sick
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13:52 < mX5> hi
13:53 < mX5> Does somabody know how to install a modem ?..
13:53 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden
13:53 < esden> morning
13:54 < mX5> morning..
13:54 < esden> mX5: some years ago I could answer your question positively ;)
13:55 < mX5> ;) i dont have my DSL @ the mom but i need internet ..
13:56 < mX5> and the kppp on my rocklinux box dont sees the modem
13:59 < esden> perhups you have to tell it that modem is on /dev/tts/0 or so?
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14:00 < mX5> i tried all of the prots ..but
14:00 < mX5> ill trz to find something in the net...thx..
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14:05 < fake> http://forum.hanfburg.de/upload/mjspice.jpg.jpg
14:05 < fake> *lol*
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14:08 < esden> rofl ... that one is good: http://www.42.nu/~oli/cartoons/kinder.html
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14:33 < rolla> re
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14:53  * StefanG is coming to visit you now :)
14:54  * netrunne1 hides
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14:55 < StefanG> ok .. will take some minutes
15:06 < StefanG> here :)
15:06  * netrunner about to fall asleep 
15:49 < mnemoc> rehi
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15:50 < Lorini> netrunner: where did you "sleep" last night? *g*
15:51 < mnemoc> hi Lorini, netrunner 
15:52 < Lorini> hi mnemoc
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15:53 < netrunner> Lorini: in a gym
15:53 < netrunner> at least there was a shower ;)
15:54 < Lorini> hm. didnt you mention any nasty smell? *g*
15:55 < fake> that's me
15:56 < Lorini> ah.. ok, ic
16:17 < alex-i|zZz> Good morning.
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16:19 < dsoul> hi alex-i 
16:22 < rxr> hi
16:25 < rxr> netrunner: valentin will arive tomorrow ~10.15
16:25 < valentin> yes i will :)
16:25 < rxr> netrunner: could you organize the pass for him?
16:27 < dsoul> hi rxr 
16:27 < rxr> hi dsoul 
16:27 < rxr> btw - 2.0.2 will be tagged tonight ...
16:28 < dsoul> cool :)
16:29 < netrunner> rxr: yes, I've got exactly one left :)
16:30 < rxr> oh - good
16:31 < rxr> netrunner: but are they limitted this year? the last years we got as many as we wanted ...
16:34 < netrunner> rxr: I registered 6 and got 6, dunno if I could get more, but probably yes.
16:34 < netrunner> rxr: btw, what do you think of the xorg patches? could you rate them so they get applied?
16:34 < netrunner> they cause no harm, and let the creator of the distribution decide.
16:39 < rxr> no - i'll rework them before they get applied ...
16:39 < rxr> btw: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1135&aid=-1
16:39 < rxr> please add a comment about missing ROCK Linux ... ;-)
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17:08 < fake> *sigh*
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17:11 < fake> I CANT STAND ANY MORE OF THESE DAMN BELLS
17:12 < Lorini> bells?
17:22 < fake> na
17:22 < fake> in some booth they have a automatic glockenspiel style ... thing
17:25 < Lorini> lol
17:27 < fake> it's driving me nuts
17:28 < Lorini> yes, i know what you mean
17:55 < alex-i> There's still no Mozilla Firebird among the packages?
17:55 < alex-i> I mean, planned ;)
17:56 < mnemoc> alex-i: fire_fox_
17:56 < alex-i> Nice.
17:57 < alex-i> Btw, why is not Config a c/cpp program?
17:57 < alex-i> It's rather slow at times.
17:59 < alex-i> e.g. Is it planned to be so at all, or not?
18:02 < netrunner> because it's rock design to consist of shellscripts
18:05 < alex-i> Even when practically it's not the very best solution?
18:05 < alex-i> Ok, it's ok anyway. :)
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18:05 < holyolli> moin
18:06 < alex-i> morning
18:08 < Lorini> hi holyolli
18:08 < holyolli> hi alex-i, Lorini
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19:22  * netrunner doing a scripts/Download -all -move
19:43 < fake> *yawn*
19:45 < Lorini> tired? its 8 p.m.!
19:46 < Vroum> Thu Jun 24 19:46:59 CEST 2004
19:57 < netrunner> [17:46] < Vroum> Thu Jun 24 19:46:59 CEST 2004
19:57 < netrunner> hm
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19:59 < Vroum> :]
20:00 < fake> Lorini: too much muscle action the last 2 days
20:00 < mnemoc> and i am waiting for lunch time :p
20:01 < mnemoc> =D
20:01 < Lorini> ic ;)
20:01 < fake> suicide is painless.... *sing*
20:02 < Lorini> hm. that's a lie
20:03 < fake> it brings on many changes...
20:05 < alex-i> Is glibc compiled against linux 2.4 in rock 2.0.0?
20:05 < alex-i> headers i meant
20:05 < mnemoc> it's compiled against default kernel
20:05 < alex-i> e.g. Is there a bug with building it with linux 2.6 headers or something?
20:05 < alex-i> Or, It's ok to change it?
20:06 < mnemoc> you may be able to build a linux26-only target
20:07 < alex-i> OK.
20:08 < fake> alex-i: if it doesn't work, please tell me/ the ml list
20:10 < alex-i> OK. But I'll do it not today possibly. (but I will) ;0
20:10 < alex-i> ;)
20:20 < daja77> re
20:21 < Lorini> huhu daja77
20:21 < daja77> hi Lorini 
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20:50 < alex-i> Is it a bug or something: I configured gcc to be built without stack smashing protection (just to avoid random bugs---the first build), but it applied the patch anyway.
20:50 < alex-i> Well... the build failed of course
20:52 < alex-i> I mean, according to mailing list it's supposed to be added...
20:52 < alex-i> anyway
20:52 < alex-i> But...
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21:34 < owl> oh. shit. blind. 
21:34 < daja77> hm?
21:35 < owl> oaeh. i greeted hannes... but he is not here... and now i'm seeing, that i greeted him in another channel... boook. totally blind
21:35 < daja77> hehe
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21:36 < owl> not funny ;P
21:36 < owl> are you at ltag?
21:36 < holyolli> re
21:37 < owl> hi holyolli 
21:37 < holyolli> hi owl
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21:38 < tiefengrund> hello
21:38 < owl> hi tiefengrund 
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21:47 < daja77> oh bad owl is out again
21:47 < _NULL_> hm?
21:47 < daja77> nothing ...
21:48 < _NULL_> i'm still here, just from localhost... because of the lag which is enourmously while downloading isos
21:48 < daja77> hehe
21:48 < rxr> hi
21:49 < daja77> hi rxr
21:49 < _NULL_> hi rxr 
21:49 < mnemoc> rehi
21:49 < daja77> mnemoc: !
21:49 < _NULL_> hi mnemoc 
21:49 < mnemoc> _NULL_! why the rename?
21:49 < mnemoc> daja77!
21:50 < tiefengrund> and why "_NULL_" ?
21:50 < _NULL_> mnemoc: see some lines above
21:50 < rxr> alex-i: Config in 2.1 already got speedups (using a C bash plugin)
21:50 < rxr> alex-i: we plan further speedups ...
21:50 < _NULL_> <- null-pointer. person who teaches/shows you the way to destruction
21:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr
21:50 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
21:51 < rxr> hands _NULL_ a lolli in the hope to see a happier smile
21:51 < alex-i> That's great!
21:51 < rxr> do you use 2.0 or 2.1 ?
21:51 < alex-i> 2.0.1 now
21:51 < _NULL_> *g* no way. .oO(ok. tomorrow i will have to drive across the "highway"... maybe then ;) )
21:52 < rxr> in 2.1 the Config is already faster
21:52 < alex-i> gonna use 2.1 when I get 2.0 installed
21:52 < rxr> yeah - sure. use 2.0 if you expect "normal" things to work ...
21:52 < alex-i> Actually, 2.1 would should work flawlessly on an lfs system ;)
21:53 < rxr> yep 2.1 is in quite a good shape (at least it was before the download reorganization ...)
21:53 < daja77> which was planned though ...
21:53 < rxr> but starting with 2.0 is good - we will have 2.0.2 in the next days
21:53 < alex-i> rxr: is there a good reading about rock not in the style of howto
21:53 < daja77> rxr: good i've been asked for new isos
21:53 < rxr> daja77: yep - sure, and we want it - just that I have not tested it yet and wanted to prevent "but it fails miserably here" calls ...
21:54 < alex-i> rxr: I mean, what ideas were put in, how the authors were thinking, etc?
21:54 < daja77> rxr: ack
21:54 < rxr> alex-i: you know the handbook?
21:54 < alex-i> It's still like howto
21:54 < daja77> it will be compared to suse 9.1 which runs quite well, debian has already lost ...
21:54 < alex-i> I read it already.
21:55 < rxr> alex-i: ah - but the handbook is still in the process fo creation - so do not expect all answers in it ...
21:55 < rxr> alex-i: any comment about the book?
21:55 < alex-i> Well, I'd rather get an even more general picture. More theoretical.
21:55 < alex-i> Then, it's easy to follow down the implementation
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21:56 < alex-i> Rather than look at the code and then understand the general picture.
21:56 < rxr> sure
21:56 < rxr> I keep this in mind when I continue to write the handbook
21:56  * daja77 off
21:57 < _NULL_> bye daja77 *waves*
21:57 < rxr> alex-i: in which country are you located?
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21:59 < mnemoc> .oO( weird why to ask where someone lives )o
21:59 < mnemoc> s/why/way/
21:59 < Lorini> lol
22:00 < rxr> mnemoc: you are right
22:00 < rxr> alex-i: whare are you currently living?
22:00 < rxr> mnemoc: better?
22:00 < rxr> ,)
22:00 < mnemoc> :)
22:00 < tcr> mnemoc, He might be travelling
22:00 < rxr> tcr: ok
22:00 < mnemoc> hi tcr
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22:01 < rxr> where are you currently chilling around? ...
22:01 < mnemoc> pimping?
22:01 < mnemoc> :p
22:01 < tcr> rxr: Actually, I intended that argument as defense for your wording
22:01 < rxr> tcr: yes - but I wanted to include the human friendlyness mnemoc intended ;-)
22:02 < rxr> alex-i: I just aksed because if it is europe german speaking country there is an ROCK article in the next Linux Intern ... - which micht give you some more general view ...
22:02 < rxr>  /we filling the press w/ rock pr ...
22:03 < rxr> and as a bonus the CD includes a minmal-dRock-2.0.2 ...
22:03 < mnemoc> rxr: update 'breaking news' on rl.o
22:03 < rxr> when the paper is at the kiosks ...
22:03 < mnemoc> :)
22:04 < rxr> ah - and it will include (the article is not written by me) an interview with me ...
22:05 < mnemoc> OT: libtool hack-master... do u have any idea why bdb42 is packing .lo files on .a?
22:06 < rxr> do you mean me?
22:06 < mnemoc> the content of libdb-4.2.a.... we talked about this before
22:07 < mnemoc> .lo files, as .la, are text files with references to valid .o and .a files
22:07  * fake off to kalug party
22:08 < mnemoc> but libdb*-4.2.a pack .lo instead of .o files
22:08 < mnemoc> cu musle-fake
22:09 < rxr> I have some feeling why this could happen 
22:09 < rxr> I review their builds after the change I'm currentl testing ...
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22:11 [ _NULL_] [ fake    ] [ kasc_    ] [ owl  ] [ StefanG    ] [ valentin] 
22:11 [ alex-i] [ Freak   ] [ Lorini   ] [ rolla] [ tcr        ] [ Vroum   ] 
22:11 [ blindy] [ hannes_ ] [ luckz    ] [ rxr  ] [ tfing      ] 
22:11 [ daja77] [ holyolli] [ mistik1  ] [ SMP  ] [ th_        ] 
22:11 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw    ] [ mnemoc   ] [ snyke] [ tiefengrund] 
22:11 [ esden ] [ kasc    ] [ netrunne1] [ sopor] [ togg       ] 
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22:13 < mnemoc> _please_ add it to your todo.... i need to upate apache but i need suexec :|
22:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to do it immediately after I implemented skipping configure runs in the read flist log ...
22:15 < mnemoc> good.... .oO( btw, i hope that would be enough to solve the dependencies s.th )o
22:16 < rxr> I also hope this will imrove the situation
22:17 < rxr> it is stuff like "configure checing for m$ windows and accidently reading wine headers on the way" ... - and so xemacs or similar depends on wine ...
22:18 < mnemoc> outch
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22:53 < rxr> so mnemoc - now your bdb review is only some minutes away
22:54  * mnemoc waiting
22:54 < mnemoc> .oO( if you look at bdb patch too, much better )o
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22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah yeah
22:59 < rxr> ok - now to the bdb
22:59 < rxr> which one to look at first? 4.2 or 4.1 ?
23:00 < Vroum> 4.2 ? :)
23:00 < rxr> bdb-4.2
23:00 < mnemoc> 4.1 is fine
23:00 < mnemoc> 4.2 is doing the .lo thing
23:01 < rxr> ok
23:26 < Lorini> everything is great :)
23:26 < Lorini> (just wanted to tell you)
23:33 < rxr> *lol*: :> is legal. It is a digraph for the ']' character, not a smiley (smileys are unsupported in the C++ language outside comment blocks, which is rather a shame). 
23:33 < rxr> mnemoc: and yes - I'm still @bdb - just waiting for the build to finish
23:35 < mnemoc> :)
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23:40 < rxr> mnemoc: I think our no_inst_major patch is defective
23:40 < mnemoc> yes?
23:41 < mnemoc> it's not high-thought, but it looks fine to me
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23:42 < rxr> yep - it is
23:42 < mnemoc> :(
23:42 < rxr> this is the cause:
23:42 < rxr> -libdb=         $(libdb_base).a
23:42 < rxr> +libdb=         $(libdb_base)-$(LIBVERSION).a
23:43 < rxr> I'll fix this ...
23:43 < mnemoc> .oO( i think that has been present for a while )o
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23:44 < mnemoc> that's the reason of the .lo thing?
23:44 < _NULL_> hi mX5 
23:44 < rxr> mnemoc: yes
23:44 < mnemoc> oh
23:44  * mnemoc kicks himself
23:44 < rxr> mnemoc: the makefile is not using the correct rule then ...
23:44 < mnemoc> oh
23:44 < mX5> hi
23:44 < mnemoc> hi mX5 
23:45 < rxr> I sort out a less intrusive way
23:45 < rxr> hi mX5 
23:48 < rxr> mnemoc: build running
23:48 < valentin> hi
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23:49 < mnemoc> have you applied bdb patch to that build or you will check that later?
23:49 < rxr> hi valentin 
23:50 < rxr> mnemoc: I meant - building to test the bdb patch ... ;-)
23:50 < valentin> soon to bed (sleep for 3h)
23:50 < mnemoc> good :)
23:50 < rxr> .oO ( hoping this is sufficient ...)
23:50 < mnemoc> 2.1?
23:50 < mnemoc> you mayy have problems with pkgcheck usage
23:51 < rxr> ?
23:51 < rxr> ach you meant that patch ...
23:51 < rxr> no - I was talking about my updated patch to fix .la ...
23:51 < rxr> your patch is in the serialization queue after that ...
23:52 < mnemoc> i have a patch for that patch
23:52 < mnemoc> but it still use pkgcheck because pkginstall@2.0 thing
23:54  * rxr again handediting patches like crazy
23:55 < mnemoc> :\
23:55 < mnemoc> wasn't that?
23:56 < rxr> not yours ... ;-)
23:57 < mnemoc> :p
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