--- Log opened Fri Jun 25 00:00:41 2004
00:01 < alex-i> rxr: USA
00:02 < rxr> ah ok - so no article for you yet ...
00:02 < rxr> alex-i: I wrote the the linux journal two times already - and never got a reply ... :-(
00:03 < alex-i> rxr: I was away, sorry.
00:03 < alex-i> rxr: english LJ?
00:03 < alex-i> rxr: Actually, if it's online, then I could try google on it.
00:03 < alex-i> rxr: You have a url?
00:04  * rxr must write strangely today ... - everyone misunderstandws me
00:04 < rxr> alex-i: no - I meant I wrote to the LJ two times asking for the possiblity to get an article printer ...
00:05 < rxr> so there is none yet .. :-(
00:05 < alex-i> :(
00:06 < alex-i> Has anybody succeeded building rock with stack smashing?
00:06 < alex-i> protection...
00:07 < mnemoc> i guess the patch is a bit outdated
00:07 < alex-i> Looks like a bug...
00:12 < rxr> alex-i: I use it every now and then ... - but not in the last days ...
00:12  * rxr just Emerged bdb42 in the wrong rock source tree ...
00:13 < rxr> I guess an indication to crawl into bed ...
00:15 < mnemoc> yes :\
00:16 < valentin> gn8
00:17 < mnemoc> n8 valentin 
00:18 < rxr> n8 valentin 
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00:19 < rxr> maybe we should not patch bdb* ad all
00:20 < rxr> just use the install wrapper to tranform the major ones on the fly to /tmp/ conditionally in the bdb_config.sh 
00:20 < mnemoc> how whould you handle multiversions then?
00:20 < rxr> at all
00:20 < mnemoc> mmm
00:20 < rxr> or /dev/null if this work flawlessly
00:20 < mnemoc> libtools gets mad with install_wrapper
00:23 < rxr> hm?
00:23 < rxr> I mean to dispose the unwanted major and default libs
00:23 < rxr> not to keep them
00:23 < rxr> so either /tmp since they will not be archived - treates as temp files
00:24 < rxr> or /dev/null directly - if this works
00:24 < rxr> nothing to upset libtool
00:24 < mnemoc> iirc libtools tries to run ranlib after install
00:25 < rxr> aha ...
00:25 < rxr> I apply it as it is now - and then work on s.th. more state of the art the next days - maybe after 2.0.2 I want to push out tomorrow
00:25 < rxr> (and yes I know about the pending patch candidates ...)
00:27 < dsoul> :>
00:28 < mnemoc> rxr: will you apply it to 2.0 too?
00:31 < rxr> the .a fix - yes of course - it is a grave bug ...
00:32 < mnemoc> =)
00:33 < rxr> commited
00:33 < rxr> to 2.1
00:33 < rxr> 2.0 merge now
00:33 < mnemoc> i'll try to send an incremental patch for bdb patch later
00:33 < rxr> s/now/in proress now/
00:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ok 2.0 merged
00:38 < rxr> Committed revision 3386.
00:38 < rxr> so - I need sleep - n8 all - cu in the morning
00:39 < dsoul> bye rxr 
00:39 < mnemoc> n8 & thanks rxr
00:40 < rxr> no problem - I hope it also works for you ...
00:41 < mnemoc> me too :)
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00:44 [Users #rocklinux]
00:44 [ alex-i   ] [ fake   ] [ Lorini   ] [ owl  ] [ sopor  ] [ valentin] 
00:44 [ blindy   ] [ Freak  ] [ mistik1  ] [ rolla] [ StefanG] [ Vroum   ] 
00:44 [ daja77   ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr  ] [ tfing  ] 
00:44 [ dsoul    ] [ jsaw   ] [ netcrow  ] [ SMP  ] [ th_    ] 
00:44 [ esden|zZz] [ kasc   ] [ netrunner] [ snyke] [ togg   ] 
00:44 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 27 normal]
00:45 < rxr> 2196 builds total, 1590 completed fine, 26 with errors.
00:45 < rxr> and some are regressions introduced on my side - stuff not committed
00:45 < rxr> ^- 2.0 of course ...
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00:46 < rxr> so looks quite ok - I guess better than 2.0.0 and 2.0.1 - but I have not done ref builds for 2.0 for some time - so I'm not 100% sure ...
00:46 < mnemoc> i'm using 2.0, but not a full 2.0
00:47 < rxr> I also use of course 2.0 - but I normally only build desktop
00:47 < rxr> recently I lack the time to do other fun builds ...
00:47 < mnemoc> me too :(
00:48 < rxr> fun builds == just for fun and -> /dev/null ... ;-)
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00:49 < mnemoc> i was playing with some 'funny' targets but no money to keep on them :\
00:50  * rxr now off - cu
01:09 < mnemoc> apache at prio=150? wtf
01:09 < mnemoc> that's _before_ bdb
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: clifford said in 2.1 some are messed up
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: or dou ya have it in 2.0 ?
01:12 < mnemoc> unproper merge
01:12 < mnemoc> i moved it back
01:12 < rxr> oh
01:12 < rxr> ok - in 2.0 it is:
01:12 < rxr> [P] X -----5---9 511.000
01:12 < rxr> so improper merge ony our side only?
01:13 < mnemoc> only mine
01:13 < mnemoc> when i merge the update i merge the prio too
01:14  * mnemoc trying to remeber which other prio got merged
01:15 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Create-Diff . ../.rock-2.0 | less <--- this will be looong
01:17 < rxr> so - my iBook is finally re Emerging the e17 repository over night
01:17 < mnemoc> good... only clamav which was moved ahead
01:17 < rxr> finally off - really this time
01:17  * mnemoc kicks rxr to bed
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09:49 < netrunne1> moin
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10:13 < rxr> moin
10:23 < netrunner> moin rxr, valentin just arrived
10:23 < rxr> cool - greating to all
10:24 < netrunner> 2 gentoo people here ready to be converted ;)
10:24 < rxr> cool!
10:45 < valentin> hi from LinuxTag.
10:48 < rxr> hi valentin 
10:50 < rxr> the platform idependance of Java:
10:50 < rxr>  One big problem was Eclipse had never been run on a 64-bit platform and it contained some code, specifically the interface between SWT, the graphics toolkit in Eclipse, and its native C libraries, that assumed 32-bit addresses. Aside from having to create a clean 64-bit version of SWT, we were faced with a more significant problem: no 64-bit Java Virtual Machine (JVM) for x86_64, AMD's 64-bit architecture, existed at the time, and it didn't look hopeful that one would be available before we had to ship.
10:50 < rxr> valentin: how is it over there?
10:50 < daja77> moin
10:51 < valentin> nice
10:57 < valentin> i convinced one guy to try rock on his iBook instead of gentoo
10:58 < daja77> hehe
11:00 < valentin> rxr:scribus people are sitting 5m away from us
11:03 < rxr> valentin: do you have seen the text flickering here?
11:03 < rxr> valentin: you could take a look if it is the same over at them ...
11:03 < valentin> rxr: maybe later
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11:13 < _NULL_> hi
11:14 < dsoul> hi _NULL_ :)
11:15 < _NULL_> hi dsoul ;)
11:15 < _NULL_> how are you?
11:16 < jsaw> g'morning
11:16 < _NULL_> hi jsaw 
11:17 < jsaw> hi owl
11:17 < rxr> hi jsaw 
11:17 < jsaw> hi rxr
11:18 < rxr> ouhm - no I know why my ssh connection is so slugish
11:18 < rxr> we are google-botted ...
11:19 < _NULL_> google-botted? O_o
11:19 < _NULL_> hi rxr 
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11:21 < dsoul> _NULL_ breakfast & job :)
11:21 < alex_> dsoul: worse
11:21 < dsoul> alex_ ?
11:22 -!- alex_ is now known as hopeful_day
11:22 < hopeful_day> ;)
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11:26 < dsoul> :>
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11:35 < esden> hi ho
11:35 < _NULL_> hi esden !
11:35 < esden> ohh eine owl 
11:35 < _NULL_> yeps. why?
11:37 < dsoul> hi esden 
11:39 < rxr> is clifford around @ LT?
11:39 < valentin> according to daja he is
11:40 < daja77> perhaps sleeping or eating or whatever atm
11:40 < rxr> ah
11:41 < rxr> when he arrives he could do some rsync configuration on his site to match recent download changes on my master server site ...
11:57 < fake> gmornin
11:57 < dsoul> ho fake 
11:57 < dsoul> hi :)
11:57 < fake> morning dsoul
11:58 < fake> rxr: why did you add MYARCH to a crossbuild @dietlibc?
11:59 < rxr> fake: I will review this later today
12:00 < rxr> all I rember is that it fixed sparc cross build for me ...
12:01 < fake> DING DING DING DING DING
12:02 < _NULL_> hi fake 
12:02 < fake> rxr: and it broke it for me ;)
12:02 < fake> _NULL_: mornin' owl
12:02 < fake> ARGH:
12:02 < fake> a small grenade... just one...
12:03 < netrunner> tactical minivan ... 
12:03 < netrunner> fake: we could use yours
12:03 < fake> or daja77's SCUD launcher
12:03 < fake> *klicker* hello echelon
12:03 < netrunner> ah, esden pulled the plug :)
12:04  * daja77 booting suse live cd in qemu
12:04  * netrunner moving a bit away from daja
12:05 < daja77> hehe
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12:28  * esden showing daja77 a cross ;)
12:29 < esden> hehe ... suse is too buig for daja's laptop ;)
12:31 < daja77> the live cd seems to need more than 128mb ram
12:33 < daja77> hehe esden doesn't know about my next sick project
12:33 < _NULL_> why suse?
12:34 < daja77> just for fun
12:34 < _NULL_> O_O
12:35 < daja77> what?
12:38 < rxr> daja77: sick project?
12:39 < daja77> i want to try plan9 in qemu
12:39 < rxr> oh
12:39 < daja77> if this download ever finishes
12:49 < fake> daja77: WHY?
12:50 < fake> daja77: oh, you mean the suse one... hehe
12:50 < daja77> ^^
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12:57  * rxr Emerging reiser4progs
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13:04 < nzg> moin
13:05 < _NULL_> hi nzg ! :)
13:05 < nzg> moin _NULL_
13:06 < nzg> what a nice nickname ;-)
13:07 < _NULL_> why? ;)
13:08 < nzg> why not?
13:08 < _NULL_> dunno. maybe because it's a nick of "negative thoughts" *cough*
13:09 < nzg> you should not consider NULL as something negative
13:10 < nzg> the fact that something is or will be NULL can be really relieving
13:12 < _NULL_> why?
13:13 < nzg> it can take away the pressure of dealing with something not null, since dealing with ANYTHING!=NULL is much more work than if(ANYTHING==NULL)
13:16 < rxr> oh - cool raining
13:16 < netrunner> here's quite a wind. would be nice to go windsurfing now 
13:16 < nzg> and here's the sun shining
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13:54 < netrunner> muahaha http://fun.drno.de/flash/HomeRun.swf
13:55  * fake will not open links from netrunner anymore
14:00 < valentin> !> Apply patch /usr/src/rock/package/e17/imlib2/gcc34.patch ..
14:00 < valentin> !> patching file src/rgbadraw.c
14:00 < valentin> !> Hunk #1 FAILED at 2358.
14:00 < valentin> !> Hunk #2 FAILED at 2366.
14:00 < valentin> !> 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/rg ..
14:00 < netrunner> lol
14:00 < valentin> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-imlib2.out -> 9-imlib2.err
14:00 < valentin> == 06/25/04 13:57:36 =[9]=> Aborted building package imlib2.
14:00 < valentin> oops wrong channel
14:09 < _NULL_> gnarf. my hair is too long... :( *having wet hair lieing on the pillow because of a too short towel*
14:09 < esden> _NULL_: then cut them
14:10 < esden> you can sell them then on ebay or so
14:10 < esden> the same applies to underware and so ;)
14:10 < esden> used underware ...
14:10 < _NULL_> nah. and: i already cut them a piece. 
14:10 < netrunner> esden: we are _not_ interested in your private preferences
14:10 < _NULL_> pfui. ieeeeeeeeh.
14:11 < _NULL_> piece? no. bit
14:11 < esden> netrunner: that are not my preferences ... but my money interest
14:11 < fake> smells like fish
14:11 < esden> I know what sells best ;)
14:12 < esden> I would not buy such stuff ... but there are enough people that do
14:12 < netrunner> fake: I knew you were somehow female ;)
14:13 < _NULL_> female == smelling like fish? 
14:14 < _NULL_> netrunner: !?!
14:14 < esden> fake: hehe ... I have an idea how to make money! I will buy fish ... leave it for some days in the sun ... then buy female underware and put it to the fish ... after another day or so I will sell that underware on ebay ... it will sell very well for sure!
14:15 < netrunner> _NULL_: internal joke
14:16  * _NULL_ takes the "deo-dose", a lighter and burns esden with the flame
14:16 < _NULL_> netrunner: tstststststs
14:17 < esden> _NULL_: yes burn me baby! you are so hot!
14:17 < daja77> esden: hungry?
14:17 < esden> daja77: yes
14:18 < daja77> let's go then
14:18  * valentin too
14:18 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=112202&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=9518050
14:18 < blindy> hi all
14:18 < _NULL_> esden: *cough* poor esden 
14:18 < _NULL_> hi blindy !!! *hug*
14:18 < esden> huhu blindy !!!
14:18 < esden> blindy: cheers from lt ;)
14:19 < blindy> _NULL_: *rehug*
14:19 < blindy> esden: Cheers from B :)
14:19  * esden hugging blindy too ;)
14:19  * blindy backs away skeptical
14:24 < Lorini> moin
14:25 < blindy> moin Lorini 
14:26 < _NULL_> hi Lorini 
14:26 < Lorini> hi blindy, _NULL_
14:35 < fake> hi Lorini!
14:35 < Lorini> huhu fake
14:35 < dsoul> hi Lorini 
14:35 < Lorini> hi dsoul 
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14:41 < rxr> hi batok 
14:41 [Users #rocklinux]
14:41 [ _NULL_] [ esden      ] [ jsaw   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rolla  ] [ tfing   ] 
14:41 [ batok ] [ fake       ] [ kasc   ] [ netcrow  ] [ rxr    ] [ th_     ] 
14:41 [ blindy] [ Freak      ] [ Lorini ] [ netrunne1] [ SMP    ] [ togg    ] 
14:41 [ daja77] [ hannes_    ] [ luckz  ] [ netrunner] [ snyke  ] [ valentin] 
14:41 [ dsoul ] [ hopeful_1ay] [ mistik1] [ owl      ] [ StefanG] [ Vroum   ] 
14:41 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 30 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal]
14:49 < netrunne1> rxr: when do you think you find time for a look at corg? 5+ ... 
14:51 < batok> hi
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14:52 < dsoul> hi batok 
14:54 < fake> yes
14:54 < fake> i am soooooooooooo evil
14:54  * netrunne1 platsching gcc34
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14:57 < _NULL_> platsching???
15:07 < blindy> fake: no, you are not
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15:11 < fake> blindy: you have no idea of how evil my evilness is
15:12 < _NULL_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! a part of my window felt onto my bed! O_o
15:12 < _NULL_> .oO(it's not existent, fake)
15:13 < blindy> fake: then enlighten me please >(
15:13 < blindy> _NULL_: haeh?
15:14 < _NULL_> blindy: ein teil vom holz neben meinem fenster... fensterrahmen net,... 
15:14 < blindy> aha
15:21 < _NULL_> btw, someone knows where a shop for horse and riders equipment is in ingolstadt?
15:21 < Lorini> hol den vorschlaghammer!
15:21 < _NULL_> noe ;)
15:22  * Lorini singing
15:22 < _NULL_> *g* which song?
15:23 < Lorini> you will probably not like it.. ;)
15:23 < Lorini> Wir sind Helden - Denkmal
15:23 < _NULL_> hmmm. dunno... wir sind helden == punk??? 
15:24 < Lorini> hm. to be honest, i dont know ;) this song is.. hm. not punk
15:24 < _NULL_> k. url to lyriks?
15:25 < blindy> Sie haben uns
15:25 < blindy> ein Denkmal gebaut
15:26 < Lorini> http://www.williger-online.de/textzeigen.php?SongID=2587
15:27 < rolla> re
15:29 < _NULL_> k.  sounds... strange ;)
15:29 < Lorini> *g*
15:29 < Lorini> its great
15:29 < _NULL_> hehe. k. 
15:30 < fake> blindy: a patch i will send later will show you my true evilness potenital
15:30 < _NULL_> imho "die aerzte", "die toten hosen", "but alive" and so one are great, too ;p
15:30 < Lorini> ah.. cool :)
15:31 < blindy> fake: I probably won't be abe to see it anytime soon so I have to deny your evilness >P
15:33 < SMP> Lorini: ahh haah haah Rüssel an Schwanz ...
15:34  * SMP grabs the hedphones
15:34 < SMP> headphones
15:37 < fake> blindy: sparc64 fpu support in dietlibc? *g*
15:38 < blindy> eeevil
15:40 < fake> ... ripped 1:1 from glibc...
15:40 < fake> *MUAHAAHHAHA*
15:40 < fake> .asm files bigger than the whole orig. sparc64 directory
15:41 < blindy> well that doesn"t rallz count as fpu in dietlibc, does it?
15:41 < blindy> really
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15:57 < fake> blindy? huh?
15:58 < fake> blindy: for fpu instructions gcc creates funtion calls 
15:58 < fake> blindy: because some models have no fpu
15:58 < blindy> hmm
15:58 < blindy> no idea
15:58 < fake> blindy: the function can then code it's result without fpu operations
15:59 < fake> blindy: but when the CPU supports fpu operations, these functions generate the correct assembler code.
15:59 < blindy> i see
16:04  * blindy leavin
16:05  * Lorini tired
16:09 < fake> WTF
16:09 < fake> cdb/Makfile
16:09 < fake> search for auto-str
16:09 < fake> run the line
16:10 < esden> fake: I really loughed ... but you heared that ... 
16:10 < esden> who wrote cdb?
16:10 < esden> ok ... jdb ... 
16:10 < esden> that could only come from him!
16:14 < fake> rxr: are you here>
16:14 < fake> ?
16:20 < mnemoc> moin
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16:25 < MadTux> Greetings
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16:27 < mnemoc> good day Tuxie
16:28 < MadTux> hello mnemocy
16:29 < dsoul> hi MadTux 
16:29 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
16:29 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
16:30 < MadTux> hi Mike.
16:30 < rxr> fake: yes
16:30 < mnemoc>  <mnemoc> good day Tuxie
16:30 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:30 < MadTux> mnemoc: Mike meaning dsoul 
16:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:30 < MadTux> good day rene
16:31 < rxr> hi MadTux 
16:31 < mnemoc> MadTux: oh
16:34 < rxr> so cool - now my SANE/Avision backend has an much higher sharpness
16:34 < fake> rxr: what is that cdb crap?
16:35 < fake> rxr: this is the worst compilation and makefile construction i have *ever* seen
16:35 < esden> fake: I think jdb should be killed for that?
16:35 < fake> rxr: compiling it by hanbd would be *MUCH* easier!!
16:36 < MadTux> hello esdy
16:37 < Lorini> hi MadTux
16:37 < MadTux> hi Lorini.
16:38 < mnemoc> hi esden, Lorini 
16:38 < daja77> esden: ?
16:39 < fake> rxr: compiling it's own 'install' program?
16:39 < rxr> fake: what are you talking about ?
16:39 < fake> rxr: how should the cross-built auto-str in mine/cdb ever run?
16:40 < mnemoc> outch
16:40 < rxr> fake: ah - you talk about mine,... ;-)
16:40 < rxr> yes - it is ugly - I also already commented about it ...
16:40 < fake> rxr: yes
16:40 < rxr> it works for some cross builds ...
16:41 < fake> rxr: we don't need the autostr stuff
16:41 < fake> rxr: it's only used in cdb's own installer, which we don't use (i hope)
16:41 < rxr> I do not know every source line of mine
16:41 < fake> neither do i
16:44 < fake> rxr: i'll rip out all the install stuff...
16:45 < mnemoc> why not turn all that third party stuff inside mine, outside (as packages)?
16:47 < MadTux> ok i'm going to sleep a bit.. cya later
16:47 < mnemoc> cu MadTux 
16:47 < MadTux> night.
16:47 < MadTux> :)
16:47 < mnemoc> ^^
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16:51 < fake> mnemoc: because it's like statically against mine 
16:51 < mnemoc> yes, but not only against mine
16:52 < fake> but?
16:52 < mnemoc> updates, patches, etc... imply mine updates
16:53 < fake> what other program does link against cdb?
16:53 < mnemoc> some personal packages i have here :p
16:54 < mnemoc> then i have cdb and libtar as packages here *g*
16:55 < fake> mnemoc: why not commit a patch? ;)
16:55 < fake> mnemoc: but PLEASE test crosscompiling beforehand... muhahaha.
16:55 < fake> rxr: why is cdb-0.7.5.patch never applied??
16:55 < rxr> IIRC this is what clifford and I applied to the vanilla version
16:55 < mnemoc> that kind of stuff gets solved with a cdb package :p
16:56 < fake> rxr: do i need to update the unused patchfile inside the package?
16:56 < rxr> the one in the tarball / SVN is already patched
16:56 < fake> i.c.
16:57 < fake> and you wrote another patch and patched the patch file as well as the files in cdb../
16:57 < fake> then i'll do so to
17:08 < rxr> I guess I did
17:22 < daja77> fake: is clifford alrady gone?
17:23 < fake> daja77: no
17:23 < fake> daja77: he will moderate the show tonight, so i guess not *g*
17:23 < daja77> what show?
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17:32 < fake> this is mad
17:32 < fake> daja77: hacktivity!
17:32 < fake> mine package sucks
17:32 < daja77> fake: on the social event?
17:33 < mnemoc> fake: ACK!
17:36 < mnemoc> fake: don't you want to split libgem ;)
17:37 < fake> daja77: yep
17:37 < fake> mnemoc: no.
17:37 < mnemoc> :(
17:37 < daja77> fake: k. was just asking cause I still have no ticket
17:37 < mnemoc> it's only a bit chaotic... not much
17:38 < mnemoc> daja77: are you at LT too?
17:39 < daja77> yes
17:40 < valentin> mnemoc: everybody is...
17:40 < mnemoc> .oO( am i noone )o
17:40 < mnemoc> rene too?
17:40 < daja77> no
17:41 < mnemoc> .oO( i'm not the only noone! )o
17:46  * rxr hugs mnemoc 
17:46 < rxr> yep - I'm sitting here alone in berlin ...
17:47  * Lorini also sitting at home
17:49 < fake> rxr: patchpatch ready... boy. that's a brain screwer.
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17:52 < fake> rxr: patch sent to sm
17:56  * mnemoc gives a glass of carmenere to rxr
17:59 < mnemoc> [11:56:58] * mnemoc gives a glass of carmenere to rxr
17:59 < mnemoc> err
17:59 < mnemoc> sorry
18:03 < valentin> this sun *sucks*
18:04 < mnemoc> it's right in front of you?
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18:05 < valentin> it burns my neck and toasts my display
18:06 < valentin> i have to view from an angle of 60deg, otherwise i only see green
18:07 < mnemoc> get an umbrella ^^
18:08 < valentin> good idea - or maybe i schold get a big poster from the microsoft booth and nail it on the window
18:10 < mnemoc> win2003 will enlight you
18:10 < mnemoc> .oO( what was the name of xp-server? )o
18:11 < valentin> unlight you even
18:11 < mnemoc> :p
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18:15 < mnemoc> hi netrunner 
18:16 < netrunner> now my connection was ok, but the stupid nameservers didn't reply any more :/
18:16 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
18:17 < mnemoc> when will you change isp? ;)
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18:24  * netrunner added pentium-m(e) support for gcc. 
18:25 < mnemoc> oh
18:26 < netrunner> I compiled everything with p4 for my laptop and had to learn that it nmisses some instruction sets.
18:28 < mnemoc> .oO( something remembers me epia )o
18:30 < rxr> netrunner: what do you have pentium-m centrino stuff?
18:32 < netrunner> rxr: ibm x40
18:33 < netrunner> wasn't such a problem because most stuff doesn't use those extensions, but sdl stuffe parrachutes and glxgears came to my mind ...
18:33 < mnemoc> what instructions?
18:33 < mnemoc> s/what/which/
18:39 < netrunner> this patch adds support for pentium-m CPU (used by Centrino notebooks)
18:39 < netrunner> that is mostly like P3 but with SSE2 and new P4 with SSE3.  Intel
18:39 < netrunner> marketing scheme is confusing enough to use same name for P4 and P4 with
18:39 < netrunner> SSE3 but they attach letter 'E' to the MHZ number, so I added it as
18:39 < netrunner> pentium4e.
18:40 < netrunner> (quote from where I got the patch)
18:43 < rxr> please stop throwing gcc patches into ROCK Linxu
18:43 < rxr> push them to the gcc people so they are in the next version
18:43 < rxr> but this epia target is already enough cruft
18:43 < netrunner> this is from gcc mailing list
18:43 < rxr> mnemoc: PLEASE push this stuff UPSTREAM
18:43 < rxr> then vote there that you want to see it included
18:44 < mnemoc> me? what stuff am i adding?
18:44 < rxr> mnemoc: tab typo
18:44 < mnemoc> :p
18:44 < netrunner> and the patch for epia was rejected with the statement that the cmov, which is defined optional, should be inevery hardware ignoring the fact that there could be one without.
18:44 < rxr> but I'll discard any other gcc bloat - when a new gcc version is out I just want to bump the version number and be finished - I'll not want to get thru ugly arch patches that add bloat
18:45 < rxr> and if this is just sse stuff (which you will not notice in real world performance anyway) you could jsut add it as this to our gcc-config:
18:46 < rxr> pentium4e -march=pentiumIII -msse2 or so
18:46 < netrunner> I do not think this is bloat but feature enhancement
18:50  * fake would love to send patches to e2fsprogs and util-linux upstream
18:50 < rxr> nonsense
18:50 < rxr> ROCK is about clean packages - not heavily bloated patched and uglyfied packages as other distributions
18:50 < rxr> ship
18:51 < rxr> one goal from the first hour has been less patches as possible
18:51 < rxr> no patch hell
18:52 < rxr> and I bet you do not find much real-world benchmarks where the gcc patch makes a meassureable difference anyway
18:53 < rxr> s/much/many/
18:53 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you mean? p3/p4 optimization differences is not significative?
18:53 < rxr> put it in gcc-config for now - and get is upstream
18:54 < esden> ok ... cu guys 
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18:54 < netrunner> rxr: start with the kernel ...
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: netrunner quote says he wants pIII + sse2
18:58 < netrunner> it's even an extra kernel build option.
19:00 < rxr> and?
19:21 < fake> hm... using 'ar', 'ranlib' and 'strip' without checking $AR, $RANLIB and $STRIP seems to be very common (ufortunately)
19:23 < mnemoc> maybe we should provide {ar,ranlib,strip} wrappers for packages calling them directly ($PATH dependant(
19:23 < mnemoc> but that can explote
19:24 < mnemoc> .oO( my evil mind tells me: "add an exec redirector on LD_PRELOAD" )o
19:26 < mnemoc> i'll have to work in controlling the evilness of my mind
19:32 < fake> mnemoc: we should just bash some package maintainers
19:32 < fake> *authors
19:34 < mnemoc> our view of opensource packages is far different than common *nix users
19:35 < mnemoc> oh... late... bbl
19:35 < fake> mnemoc: bash as in 'send patches upstream' of course
19:35 < valentin> cu later
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21:43 < mnemoc> rehi
21:46 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
22:00 < mnemoc> how was hacktivity?
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22:16  * rxr now running a reiser4 patches kernel on this iBook ...
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23:02 < esden|bbl> finally back home
23:02 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden
23:02 < esden> sigh
23:05 < rxr> esden: how was LT ?
23:07 < esden> rxr: very nice
23:07 < esden> rxr: it was real fun to see all the guys once more
23:08  * esden was looking over fake's shoulder while he was fixing rescue disc for sparc crosscompile
23:08 < esden> it was fun ;)
23:09 [Users #rocklinux]
23:09 [ blindy] [ Freak  ] [ luckz    ] [ owl  ] [ StefanG_] [ Vroum] 
23:09 [ daja77] [ hannes_] [ mistik1  ] [ rolla] [ tfing   ] 
23:09 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr  ] [ th_     ] 
23:09 [ esden ] [ kasc   ] [ netcrow  ] [ SMP  ] [ togg    ] 
23:09 [ fake  ] [ Lorini ] [ netrunne1] [ snyke] [ valentin] 
23:09 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal]
23:46 < esden> ok ... good night everyone
23:46 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz
23:46 < esden|zZz> rxr: I was missing you there
23:52 < rxr> yeah - no time and such
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