--- Log opened Mon Jun 28 00:00:28 2004
00:11 < hannes_> fake: a little course what to do, if things go wrong wit hthe freebsd ports collection
00:12 < hannes_> somewhere at http://www.osnews.com
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00:37 < fake> hannes_: netunner?
00:43 < daja77> n8
00:44 < jsaw> gn8 daja77 
00:44 < jsaw> hi fake
00:45 < fake> huhu jsaw
00:54 < fake> jsaw: that should not happen (!)
00:54 < jsaw> ?
00:54 < jsaw> ah, the boot thing
00:55 < fake> dietlibc linuxrc doing nothing
00:55 < jsaw> hmmm, z
00:55 < jsaw> hmm, yeah, no idea yet.
01:24 < jsaw> oh my, mine uses over 60Mb RAM to install linux24-src :(
01:31 < fake> jsaw: cdb loves mmap
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01:44 < jsaw> fake: how do I find out the memsize (in C)?
01:50 < fake> of the current system?
01:50 < fake> overall?
01:51 < jsaw> yep
01:51 < jsaw> yep
01:51 < fake> read /proc/meminfo or use... err... mom...
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01:52 < fake> sysfs is an option
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01:53 < fake> no idea
01:54 < fake> sry
01:54 < jsaw> np
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02:11 < jsaw> <- tired. cu, gn8
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07:31 < Lorini> moin
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07:48 < SMP> fuck_you_all: can you please use a less offensive nick ,..
07:48 < fuck_you_all> SMP: It's a kick test
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07:51 < alex-i> Is rock gonna be more lightweight someday?
07:54 < SMP> lightweight?
07:57 < alex-i> Yes
08:06 < SMP> what do you mean?
08:11 < alex-i> The building process at least, and overall complexity.
08:18 < valentin> moin
08:21 < valentin> alex-i: ROCK is meant to be a flexible distribution build kit, and this is not a trival goal. Anyway, i think ROCK is still very clear.
08:21 < valentin> What exactly is to complex in your opinion ?
08:44 < netrunner> moin
08:44  * netrunner thinks sources of 1,2mb is lightweight
09:21  * rxr driving home - cu
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10:12 < rxr> hi
10:12 < dsoul> hi rxr :)
10:15 < rxr> hi dsoul 
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12:11 < rxr> 2.0.2 announced
12:17 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o rxr] by ChanServ
12:17 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.1 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
12:17 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Tue Jun  1 16:20:45 2004]
12:17 -!- rxr changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
12:18 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o rxr] by rxr
12:18 [Users #rocklinux]
12:18 [ alex-i] [ fake    ] [ Lorini  ] [ netrunne1] [ snyke  ] [ valentin] 
12:18 [ blindy] [ Freak   ] [ luckz   ] [ owl      ] [ StefanG] [ Vroum   ] 
12:18 [ daja77] [ hannes__] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla    ] [ tfing  ] 
12:18 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw    ] [ mnemoc  ] [ rxr      ] [ th_    ] 
12:18 [ esden ] [ kasc    ] [ netcrow_] [ SMP      ] [ togg   ] 
12:18 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 27 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 27 normal]
12:18 < dsoul> 30 minutes to refresh?:)
12:19 < rxr> hm?
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13:17 < rxr> so 2.0.2 press release sent to various magazines ...
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13:22 < daja77> ah nice
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13:40 < rxr> ok - http://symlink.ch also notified
13:40  * rxr lunch
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13:44 < daja77> strange kde crash 
13:44  * daja77 puzzled
13:50  * daja77 uploading pics to netrunners site
13:50 < Lorini> ui pics
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14:27 < rxr> http://symlink.ch/
14:46 < esden> hi all
14:48 < daja77> hi esden!
14:48 < rolla> re
14:49 < daja77> hi rolla
14:51 < rolla> hi daja77 
14:53 < rxr> hi rolla esden 
14:53 < esden> humm ... I think I drive home now
14:53 < esden> cu guys
14:57 < jsaw> hi all
14:58 < rxr> hi jsaw 
14:59 < rxr> http://www.distrowatch.com/
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15:14  * A-Tui is away: Nada más nacer comienzan a corrompernos
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15:18 -!- daja is now known as daja77
15:21  * A-Tui is back (gone 00:07:04)
15:21 < daja77> >_<
15:21 < A-Tui> hi daja77
15:21 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
15:22 < A-Tui> i bought an imac :)
15:22  * rxr off - cu
15:22 < A-Tui> now i'm downloading rocklinux-ppc
15:22 < daja77> cool
15:23 < A-Tui> mac os x is very strange, don't allow a normal user become root
15:25 < daja77> yep
15:33 < hannes__> hi all
15:33 -!- hannes__ is now known as hannes_
15:33  * A-Tui is away: Nada más nacer comienzan a corrompernos
15:34 < daja77> this sucks
15:34 < daja77> hi hannes_ 
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15:38 < Freak> hi netrunne
15:38 < Freak> r
15:38 < Freak> is the package done?
15:44 < netrunner> what package?
15:46 < netrunner> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/publicgallery/rocklinux_-_linuxtag2004-daja_small.html
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16:16 < BoS> hi
16:53 < netrunner> damn, now I know why I have no xpdf, I have no openmotif.
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17:45 < fake> gmorgenzusammen
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17:57 < MadTux> greetings.
17:57 < fake> hi MadTux 
18:01 < dsoul> hi MadTux :)
18:02 < MadTux> yo fake und dsoul.
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18:14 < netrunne1> hi fake
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18:18 < rxr> re
18:24 < netrunner> hi rxr
18:25 < netrunner> rxr: how does one close a flyspray bug? #213 is solved in trunk now
18:25 < rxr> only the submitter and admins can do this
18:26 < netrunner> hmok
18:26 < rxr> please add closed bugs in the commit text
18:26 < rxr>       * fixed bla bla (#flyspray-number)
18:26 < netrunner> I did.
18:26 < rxr> ah - ok
18:27 < rxr> closed
18:27 < rxr> any mroe?
18:27 < rxr> more egen
18:27 < netrunner> not that I knew of.
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18:37 < jsaw> rxr: btw, guess you can close 125
18:38 < rxr> jsaw: thanks - done
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18:46 < daja77> re
18:47 < Lorini> hi daja77
18:48 < netrunner> hi Lorini 
18:48 < Lorini> huhu  netrunner
18:48 < daja77> hi Lorini 
18:53 < fake> hi Lorini, daja
18:53 < daja77> hi fake ;)
18:54 < Lorini> hi fake 
18:54  * fake too stupid to drink coffee
18:55 < daja77> lol sue mcdonalds now
18:55 < fake> i could sue myself
18:55 < daja77> and win
18:56 < fake> that'd be hard to determine ;)
18:57 < daja77> hehe indeed
18:57 < fake> boy
18:57 < fake> there are 30 nicks here
18:58 < fake> i remember when we were only 5 or so
18:58 < netrunner> fake: maybe your finger isn't that fast on the kick button any morue ;)
18:58 < fake> i never had op
18:59 < fake> i'm an IRC noob, i would only open fuses and do other nasty stuff
18:59 < Lorini> *g*
18:59 < fake> hell, i don't even know how to change modes 
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19:01 < puzzled> hello. congrats with the 2.0.2 release
19:01 < daja77> hey puzzled 
19:02 < daja77> ah that reminds me to built a 2.0.2
19:02 < puzzled> does anyone know where I can find 2.0.2 iso images for ppc (RS/6000)
19:02 < puzzled> hi daja77
19:02 < fake> puzzled: when should we have built it?
19:02 < puzzled> I read that the cd should boot on my RS6K so I am anxious to give it a try
19:03 < puzzled> fake: no idea. just read the announcement on freshmeat
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19:03 < fake> puzzled: that has been posted $POST_TIME < $NEEDED_TIME_TO_BUILD ago ;D
19:03 < puzzled> right :)
19:04 < puzzled> built or not I think it is really cool that there will be iso images that will boot on my RS6K
19:05  * fake want visualisation for mp3's on directfb
19:06  * netrunner want's a cool drink
19:06 < puzzled> I can forget about that on my RS6K with its proprietary gfx card :)
19:06 < fake> coffee!
19:06 < rxr> puzzled: AFAIR the last 2.0.1 for ppc (which was build after the 2.0.1 tag ;-) already incldue this
19:07  * Lorini wants time
19:07 < rxr> puzzled: what properitary gfx card ?
19:07 < fake> *takesLorini'sClockandturnsitonehourback* ok?
19:07 < puzzled> rxr: the <something>3000
19:07 < netrunner> oh, the fstab problem seems to be in 2.0.2
19:07 < rxr> puzzled: are you sure it is not a Matrox ?
19:07 < fake> o/~ Ich Roque o/~
19:07 < Lorini> one hour?
19:07 < rxr> puzzled: here the ppc should work on rs6k:
19:07 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.1/desktop/
19:08 < rxr> here is a tiny ISO to test:
19:08 < rxr> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/ppc/rs6kboot.iso
19:08 < puzzled> rxr: don't think it's a matrox. thanks. will test that little iso image first
19:08 < snyke> -lilo/Wallops- Hi all.  The Apple World-Wide Developer Conference has begun, unofficial backchannel here on freenode: #wwdc .... Steve Jobs has just started his keynote, may be of interest!
19:08 < rxr> to boot enter OpenFirmware (F8 - or 8 on serial console)
19:09 < rxr> and enter "boot cdrom:,\install.bin"
19:09 < rxr> details here:
19:09 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040607.225611.bebae2f8.html
19:09 < rxr> and here:
19:09 < fake> snyke: we all read it?
19:09 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/31579ca674dfb81b7426fd60a110d084.html
19:09 < puzzled> ok, rxr: thanks for the info. will give it a try right away
19:09 < snyke> fake: hannes said I should copy it to here
19:10 < daja77> snyke: no it is not of interest, i get spammed by apple with this crap for weeks
19:10 < snyke> daja77: YES SORRY
19:10 < rxr> keep cool you three ...
19:10 < fake> hannes_: tell snyke to dance on one leg
19:10 < fake> *g*
19:11 < snyke> idiot
19:11 < snyke> ..
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19:11 < fake> yes ^-^
19:11 < MadTux> rxr: have u considered my proposal of removing Documentation/i18n/ from the src?
19:11 < fake> no frustration tolerance...
19:11 [Users #rocklinux]
19:11 [ A-Tui ] [ esden  ] [ kasc   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rolla  ] [ th      ] 
19:11 [ alex-i] [ fake   ] [ Lorini ] [ netcrow_ ] [ rxr    ] [ togg    ] 
19:11 [ blindy] [ Freak  ] [ luckz  ] [ netrunner] [ SMP    ] [ valentin] 
19:11 [ daja77] [ hannes_] [ MadTux ] [ owl_     ] [ StefanG] [ Vroum   ] 
19:11 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw   ] [ mistik1] [ puzzled  ] [ tfing  ] 
19:11 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal]
19:11 < rxr> MadTux: overread it ..
19:11 < rxr> MadTux: I can delete now if you like ..
19:12 < daja77> btw speeches of steve jobs, just look at this http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/scaring-jobs.gif
19:13 < fake> *lol*
19:13 < puzzled> heheh
19:13 < MadTux> rxr: well no one else is taking care of it, and i can't keep track of what's done so i think it would bew better to remove it
19:13 < hannes_> fake: they have some really interresting stuff
19:14 < puzzled> rxr: was it difficult to get the RS6K bootable part done? I remember you looked at it a few months back and it was a challenge
19:15 < rxr> puzzled: I just had so few spare minutes ...
19:15 < rxr> puzzled: the stuff is so undocumented - I still do not know why it does not boot automatically - the AIX CD boot automatically without user intervention - but my CDs simply do not do this - but when specified manually it works ...
19:15 < rxr> puzzled: I review this further when I have more free time ...
19:16 < rxr> puzzled: for now entering the "boot ..." is ok I think ...
19:16 < puzzled> rxr: definitely. I'm already grateful for anything that makes my RS6K boot linux from a cd :)
19:17 < rxr> puzzled: please tell me if the tiny test CD works ... ;-)
19:17 < puzzled> will do
19:17 < MadTux> rxr: so yes please remove it
19:18 < puzzled> rxr: downloading it right now and I'll burn it & give it a whirl
19:19 < rxr> jsaw: aaaarrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:19  * fake food
19:19 < rxr> jsaw: I do not like the dietlibc patch in submaster !!!
19:19 < rxr> jsaw: around?
19:19 < fake> rxr: what's your problem?
19:19 < fake> rxr: it does _NOT_ work with MYARCH!
19:19 < fake> it's stupid to use MYARCH when crosscompiling!!
19:20  * fake getting f00d
19:20 < rxr> fake != jsaw
19:20 < fake> :P
19:20 < rxr> ROCKCFG_DIET_I_DO_NOT_ACCEPT_SO_MANY_USELESS_CONFIG_OPTIONS_TM
19:21  * netrunner agrees. 
19:21 < netrunner> they might not be useless, but they are definitely to much.
19:23 < rxr> when someone needs s.th. specific *plop* a pkg_dietlibs.conf or patch in the target
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19:23 < rxr> when s.o. wants to tune he already knows that anyway - and reading thru all this optionsl already makes my stomarch turn over
19:25 < netrunner> :)
19:26 < owl_> moin
19:26 < BoS> re
19:26 < BoS> mahlzeit
19:26 < owl_> lalala. i caught a cold. 
19:27 < BoS> what
19:28 < owl_> i'm ill. in summer. booook!
19:28 < BoS> ^^
19:28 < owl_> what?
19:29 < BoS> in sommer, yet?
19:29 < BoS> summer sry
19:29 < owl_> hmm. at least it has about 30  C here
19:29 < netrunner> this stupid .htaccess thingie does not work :(
19:30 < BoS> nice 
19:30 < BoS> .htacces - stupid?
19:30 < netrunner> yes.
19:31 < BoS> whats up whit the appache file
19:32 < puzzled> rxr: the rs6kboot.iso image boots like a charm. both install and install-novideo don't work with my GX3000 gfx card (messed up screen) so I'll remove it and install through a serial cable and minicom. Any install options I need to specify so install knows I use a terminal to install?
19:33 < netrunner> it slows. but my specific problem is that it gets not evaluated. but never mind, I moved the dir away.
19:35 -!- owl_ is now known as owl
19:35 < MadTux> EULE!
19:35 < owl> hi MadTux 
19:36 < MadTux> :)
19:36 < owl> MadTux: you were right with slack... at least with slack-10.0... :(
19:36 < MadTux> owl: of course i was. i'm always right.
19:36 < owl> nope. not always... 
19:36 < MadTux> owl: you truely deserve better :)
19:37 < MadTux> owl: well who cares i was right on that one :)
19:37 < Lorini> hi MadTux
19:37 < owl> and - slack was nice, till i updated it... 
19:37 < MadTux> hello Lorini.
19:38 < MadTux> hehe
19:40 < owl> gnarf. is the 2.4.26-kernel compilable to someone?
19:40 < rxr> puzzled: re
19:40 < rxr> puzzled: what install do you mean? the ROCK Linux installer?
19:40 < puzzled> rxr: yup
19:41 < rxr> I'm not sure
19:41 < rxr> try if just running "stone" is ok over the serial line
19:41 < rxr> if not use stone -text
19:41 < puzzled> rxr: ok
19:41 < rxr> please put a note here which one you used so I know for the next time ...
19:42 < puzzled> k
19:42 < rxr> puzzled: can you post the lspci and /proc/cpuinfo output in a querryß
19:42 < rxr> ? even
19:42 < puzzled> sure if I get to a console :)
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19:43 < rxr> you do not have the kernel outputing the text on the serial line?
19:44 < puzzled> rxr: need to remove gfx card first which I am doing right now
19:44 < rxr> no
19:45 < rxr> console=ttyS0,9600 console=tty0
19:45 < rxr> this should work ...
19:45 < rxr> (kernel parameter for the boot prompt ...)
19:46 < rxr> puzzled: btw. do you need the boot cdrom... stuff in OF - or does your RS/6k boot the CD automatically ?
19:47 < puzzled> rxr: no auto, need to hit F8 and do boot cdrom:,\install.bin
19:52 < fake> owl: ...
19:52 < rxr> ok - does the console= thing above helps?
19:52 < fake> owl: what the hell did you mess up your system again with? ;)
19:52 < puzzled> rxr: got it booted. now where do I type stone? at the rock boot: prompt?
19:52 < fake> owl: /usr/ucb in the path again?
19:53 < owl> fake: nothin, nothing
19:53 < fake> owl: *g*
19:54 < owl> and. the /usr/ucb was one of the ssh -version *thinking*
19:54 < rxr> puzzled: what rock boot prompt do you mean?
19:55 < puzzled> rxr: the one I get after the cd has booted
19:55 < rxr> you already asnwered the 1st stage loaders questions?
19:57 < fake> /me will get loads of sushi tonight
19:58 < Lorini> sushi...
20:00 < owl> gcc-3.4.0 && linux-2.4.26 => Error2? O_o
20:01 < fake> what kind of error?
20:01 < fake> ICE, SNOW, RAIN...
20:01 < owl> sorry... currently building (with 3.3.4)... will take a time, then i will have "access to error" again
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20:36 < Lorini> *sigh*
20:36 < owl> hm?
20:37 < Lorini> why is everything so complicated?
20:37 < owl> i dunno. 
20:39 < fake> because it would be boring if it were too easy
20:40 < Lorini> it does not have to be easy. it should only not be so complicated
20:46 < fake> http://www.myfunlink.de/show.php?id=58
20:46 < fake> *SABBER*
20:58 < esden> huhu everyone
21:00 < esden> fake: this guy has really red eyes ... I am really asking myself why ;)
21:01 < fake> ;)
21:01 < fake> what is lsdiff?
21:01 < fake> smap relies on it
21:03 < fake> hm, patchutils > 2.27
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21:31  * fake fixing silo 1.4.6 
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21:36 < fake> damn
21:36 < fake> i don't get it
21:37 < fake> if in configure.in they check for header files like
21:37 < fake> #include <includefile.h>
21:37 < fake> extern int <functionfortest>(completelywrongargumentlist)
21:37 < fake> and the compile returns an ERROR
21:38 < fake> that could be: includefile: previous declaration of `functionfortest`
21:38 < fake> then WHY the F*** does configure say it's not OK?
21:38 < fake> it can't work with just an function(int)
21:39 < fake> this is so damn stupid
21:40 < jsaw> re
21:40 < jsaw> rxr: ping
21:40 < fake> jsaw: can you shed some light on this for me?
21:40 < jsaw> on what?
21:40 < fake> my above bashing ;)
21:41 < jsaw> ah...wait
21:41 < fake> the example is llseek vs. lseek64
21:43 < jsaw> which pkg?
21:43 < hannes_> rehi
21:44 < jsaw> hi hannes_ 
21:44 < hannes_> fakewhat's my v100 doing?
21:44 < fake> hannes_: waiting for a sparc64 bootcd crossbuild ;)
21:45 < hannes_> doing my soekris build right now
21:45 < fake> jsaw: e2fsprogs (see sm, patch id 2004062613131930948)
21:45 < fake> jsaw: on dietlibc enabled build
21:46 < fake> .oO( no idea why we don't build e2fsprogs with dietlibc by default, however, new in 1.35 is a --with-diet-libc switch
21:46 < fake> )
21:47 < jsaw> see e.g. lseek64 test:
21:47 < jsaw> in bracket: [extern int lseek64(int);],
21:48 < hannes_> wenn ich/away
21:48 < fake> j0
21:48 < hannes_> sry..
21:48 < jsaw> the next bracket (iirc) is the result if it works,
21:48 < jsaw> and there, no is given.
21:48 < fake> jsaw: the question is: why does it work in the same way with llseek, but not with lseek64?
21:49 < jsaw> probably it is defined strangely in the dietlibc unistd.h, lemma see...
21:51 < daja77> 2re
21:52 < hannes_> hi daja77 
21:52 < jsaw> fake: in glibc/unistd.h, lseek64 is surrounded by "#ifdef __USE_LARGEFILE64"
21:53 < jsaw> fake: while dietlibc, it is "#if_n_def __NO_STAT64"
21:54 < jsaw> *strange*
21:54 < fake> jsaw: but it doesn't hurt if __USE... is definded for dietlibc!
21:55 < fake> jsaw: i'll see wether __NO_STAT64 is definde
21:55 < jsaw> jsaw: this ckeck is only for testing if this llseek or lseek64 is defined in unistd.h or not. nothing else.
21:56 < fake> fake: are you listening?
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21:56 < fake> *g*
21:56 < hannes_> *gg*
21:56 < fake> jsaw: what do you mean?
21:57 < fake> ARGH
21:57 < fake> now it works! what did i do?
21:57 < daja77> used a spell
21:57 < jsaw> .oO(?)
21:58  * fake cries
22:00 < fake> it only fails if i define __USE_LARGEFILE64
22:01 < jsaw> .oO(and that's correct, so?)
22:01 < jsaw> ah
22:01 < fake> #define _LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
22:01 < fake> then it breaks
22:02 < fake> without that, it works
22:02 < jsaw> stupid me, the test should define USE_LARG...
22:02 < fake> ... grepping dietlibc includes ...
22:02 < fake> nothing.
22:03 < fake> ha!
22:03 < fake> got it.
22:04 < fake> of course i have to compile the test case with sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc
22:04 < fake> which configure doesn't seem to do...
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22:09 < fake> hm
22:11 < fake> this is getting on my nerves
22:11 < fake> i still don't get it
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22:12 < fake> in my eyes, the test should say 'yes there is a definition for this function' if the test compiel _fails_ !
22:14 < jsaw> well, yep, would be much more clear
22:15  * fake patch-inverting yes and no and setting autogen=1
22:21 < fake> hrmpf
22:21 < fake> if i do that, the header results are correct
22:21 < fake> but they also check for lseek64 defined in libc
22:21 < fake> that fails, too
22:21 < rxr> jsaw: regarding dietlibc: please do not patch in so many options most people will neer touch
22:21 < fake> but if i cut'n'paste the code from config.log, it works.
22:22 < rxr> use sane default - and if s.th. different is needed for custom applicatoins they can tweak it
22:22 < jsaw> rxr: you can't tweak it that easily.
22:22 < jsaw> rxr: it's not a configure option you simply pass.
22:23 < rxr> either CC_WRAPPER_... -DFEATURE_XYZ might be sufficient - or patch it
22:23 < rxr> it is far too low lever to wire them all out as config options ...
22:23 < jsaw> rxr: nope, doesn't work
22:23 < jsaw> these options are not passed via command line
22:24 < jsaw> they are hard wired in this header file
22:24 < jsaw> (which is stuipd, ok..)
22:24 < jsaw> for now, I make two patches,
22:24 < rxr> but you can overwrite with -D bla bla
22:27 < jsaw> ?
22:27 < jsaw> how?
22:28 < rxr> they are #define's ?
22:28 < rxr> then just -DFEATURE_XYZ=myvalue
22:28 < jsaw> and guess what the compiler says about multiple defines...
22:28  * fake going havoc
22:29 < rxr> [-Dmacro[=defn]...]
22:29 < jsaw> or what it says if u undefine first and the define...
22:29 < jsaw> I know the -D stuff, but it really doesn't matter if you afterwards use #define unconditionally in the header file
22:30 < jsaw> try this:
22:30 < jsaw> #define TEST
22:30 < jsaw> int main() {
22:30 < jsaw> #ifdef TEST
22:30 < jsaw>     printf("HELLO\n");
22:30 < jsaw> #endif
22:30 < jsaw> }
22:30 < jsaw> compile it with gcc -DTEST test.c, gcc test.c or with gcc -UTEST test.c
22:30 < jsaw> always the same result!
22:31 < rxr> hm - ok
22:31 < jsaw> anyway, I split that patch now...
22:31 < rxr> but nevertheless I find those too ugly - if one wants to tweak then for some special embdedded s.th. just drop the patch in the target dir ...
22:32 < rxr> I think 95% of those options are "never touched"
22:33 < jsaw> right. but probably because nobody looks into the README (how to compile) and even less ever dared to look into this header file... :)
22:33 < fake> *sigh*
22:35 < fake> why does a -static ld fail in te build, but work perfectly in debug.sh?
22:35 < jsaw> because too many symbols were removed?
22:36 < rxr> no idea
22:36 < fake> it says about all symbols: undefinded reference to...
22:36 < jsaw> hmm, really looks like wrong stripping mode
22:36 < fake> pretty long list ;)
22:36 < fake> make STRIP=/bin/true ?
22:37 < fake> but why do the already-stripped .o files work with only ld in the debug.sh ?
22:38 < jsaw> now I bail out on this...
22:38 < fake> so do i
22:40 < fake> ha!
22:41 < fake> the call to LD is not in the command wrapper!
22:42 < rxr> fake: btw. do you build 64bit user-space?
22:42 < fake> rxr: yes
22:42 < fake> rxr: thus the AR, RANLIB and STRIP patches
22:43 < fake> why is a call to ld in debug.sh in the command-wrapper, but not in the build?
22:46 < fake> hm
22:47 < fake> i called gcc in debug.sh
22:47 < fake> not ld
22:47 < fake> with ld it doesn't work
22:47 < fake> with gcc it does
22:48 < fake> -lc ...
22:48 < fake> missing
22:55 < daja77> rxr: your svn server is remote exploitable ...
22:57 < jsaw> bbl
22:57 < fake> cya jsaw 
22:58 < fake> ...
22:58 < fake> in e2fsprogs.conf: LD=$CC
22:58 < fake> now it works.
23:08 < fake> we need an LD wrapper...
23:16 < rxr> ...
23:16 < rxr> shit - s.th. on my server freaks up for some days:
23:17 < daja77> *ggg*
23:17 < rxr> "Stale NFS file handle" and suchs
23:17 < esden> rxr: "22:55 < daja77> rxr: your svn server is remote exploitable ..." *ggg*
23:17 < rxr> esden: yours too?
23:18 < esden> no I do not use nfs for the server data
23:18 < rxr> me neither
23:18 < esden> but I had also stale nfs file handle problems some time ago 
23:18 < daja77> dunno if this is related, don't think so
23:18 < rxr> me neither
23:18 < esden> as I wanted to check out data from svn to a home directory that was nfs mounted
23:19 < esden> and then I got these errors
23:20 < rxr> you normally should not get those
23:20 < rxr> this might be reiserfs related on my side ... 
23:20 < rxr> nothing to do with svn ...
23:22 < fake> ./util second.map second.aout second2.aout second.b second.b2
23:22 < fake> ./util: ./util: cannot execute binary file
23:22 < fake> arghl
23:22 < fake> silo doesn't like me
23:23 < daja77> wee 2.0.2 co complete
23:27 < fake> ../common/bin2h -l BOOT_LEN boot_loader b.out > b.h || (rm -f b.h; exit 1)
23:27 < esden> ok ... good night everyone
23:27 < fake> ../common/bin2h: cannot execute binary file
23:28 < fake> n8 esden
23:28 < fake> rxr: have you done anything about silo 1.4.6 yet?
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23:30 < rxr> no
23:31 < fake> rxr: fine. i've almost got it finished, it really doesn't want to be cross compiled...
23:31 < fake> re Lorini!
23:31 < Lorini> re..
23:39 < daja77> rxr: like to have genericx images for 2.0.2 when finished?
23:40 < rxr> hm - not really - HDs in the server are filled too quickyl
23:40 < daja77> ;)
23:41 < rxr> I just wanted to wait for linux-2.4.27 and push a new rock out soon - and then build full binaries for that one again
23:41 < daja77> hm maybe I try iso.rocklinux site, or just use them on my own
23:41 < daja77> ah nice
23:45 < rxr> daja77: yeah - push them as 3rd party contribution to the iso.rocklinux.de one ...
23:45 < rxr> btw, do you have the empty fstab problem with it ?
23:47 < daja77> can't telll this will be my first 2.0 build for soem weeks
23:54  * A-Tui is away: kkk
23:54  * A-Tui is away: kkkk
23:55 < daja77> could you perhpas stop that
23:58 < fake> == 06/28/04 23:58:05 =[1]=> Finished building package silo.
23:58 < fake> silo crossbuildable... wee. patch coming...
23:58 < daja77> congrats
23:58 < hannes_> fake: cool
23:59 < daja77> that reminds me of palo >_<
23:59 < daja77> anyway n8
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