--- Log opened Tue Jun 29 00:00:18 2004
--- Day changed Tue Jun 29 2004
00:00 < hannes_> gnu n8 daja77 
00:00 < Lorini> n8 daja
00:00 < Lorini> sleep well
00:05 < fake> patch in SM
00:34  * hannes_ taking the bus home
00:34 < hannes_> bye
00:34 < Lorini> cya hannes
00:35 < fake> there is a bug in the net-tools wake-on-lan patch
00:44 < fake> BIN_DIR instead of BINDIR
01:00 < hannes_> hehe, i found some open wlan at the bus station
01:01 < fake> *rofl*
01:01 < fake> hannes_ what was the cmd to boot from cd in OBP?
01:01 < fake> ttya io ?
01:01 < hannes_> fake: do you mean bootmode -u forth ?
01:01 < fake> no, in obp
01:02 < Lorini> hannes_: crazy guy :)
01:02 < hannes_> fake: ttya io
01:02 < hannes_> fake: and then boot cdrom
01:02 < fake> damn. then bootdisk isn't finished yet ;)
01:02 < hannes_> fake: only compiling stuff and not cheecking if it works...hmm..
01:03 < hannes_> fake: what does the v100 say?
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01:08 < hannes_> ohhh...
01:08 < hannes_> my bus is arriving
01:08 < hannes_> c'ya later
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01:49 < Lorini> n8 everybody
01:49 < MadTux> Lorini, 
01:49 < Lorini> hm?
01:49 < MadTux> wait
01:49 < MadTux> query
02:01 < Lorini> so. again: n8 everybody
02:01 < dsoul> bye Lorini 
02:01 < hannes_> n8 Lorini 
02:01 < hannes_> rehi, btw
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02:45 < rolla> re
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03:31 < nzg> moin
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04:29 < nzg> moin
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08:51 < blindy> moin
08:51 < daja77> moin blindy 
08:52 < blindy> rxr: could you please svn del package/blindcoder/winex_installer?
08:52 < blindy> moin daja77 
08:52 < blindy> rxr: I'm no longer subscribed to winex, it's outdated (horribly) and mkpkg makes it superfluous anyway
08:53 < dsoul> hi blindy :)
08:54 < blindy> moin dsoul 
09:06 < blindy> rene and clifford bashing each other again?
09:17  * blindy ogne
09:36 < rxr> hi
09:37 < dsoul> hi rxr :)
10:21 < rxr> hi dsoul 
10:24 < owl> ...
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10:26 < dsoul> hi owl :)
10:28 < loser> hi dsoul 
10:31 < Lorini> hi owl
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10:58 < esden> morning everyone
11:01 < daja77> hi esden
11:03 < esden> hi daja77 
11:03 < esden> you are alway here right?
11:04 < daja77> no i was one h away :p
11:05 < esden> lol
11:05 < Lorini> hi esden, daja
11:05 < esden> are you connected to the internet with your brain or what? ... so that you are also sleeping in the channel ;)
11:05 < daja77> rgs shit hat den quote versaut
11:05 < esden> hi Lorini 
11:06 < esden> daja77: du?
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11:06 < esden> daja77: schade ;)
11:07 < daja77> wrong window >_<
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12:24 < togg> moin all
12:24 < togg> i try to get ldap working with rocklinux
12:24 < togg> i mean ldap logins
12:25 < togg> which is the simplest way to do this with rock?
12:30 < th> there should be some ldap plugins for pam around..
12:33 < togg> hmm, not in rock yet?
12:33 < th> i don't know
12:33 < togg> k
12:38 < jsaw> it is
12:39 < jsaw> oh damn, i have pam_ldap installed, but it's not in trunk
12:40 < jsaw> (me fixes this now)
12:40 < togg> jsaw: would be really great :)
12:48 < jsaw> togg: 2004062912474623661
12:50 < togg> jsaw: whats this
12:50 < jsaw> submaster id: see https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004062912474623661
12:50 < daja77> submaster patch id
12:50 < togg> ah ok
12:51 < togg> its submaster and not head
12:53 < th> but it's some kind of queued for head
12:58 < togg> *compile*
13:05 < th> anyone familar with "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: auto_config: command not found" when building busybox in stable tree?
13:10 < togg> jsaw: what i have to copy at minimum to enable pam_ldap support on login?
13:10 < togg> i want to ensure that local login still work if ldap server is not reachable
13:11 < togg> of course there is pam_ldap.so and its required libraries
13:13 < togg> atm i dont use pam and i dont really know how to change login to use pam
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13:23 < jsaw> bbl
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13:32 < daja77> erhm have I missed sth or are there no 2.0.2 isos on that server
13:35 < daja77> i found them, they are sorted and labeled as 2.0.1 ...
13:37 < rolla> yawn
13:38 < rolla> morning all or afternoon as the case may be
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13:40 < daja77> oh no, no 2.0.2 isos *sigh*
13:41 < rolla> :(
13:45 < dsoul> hi rolla :)
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13:54 < nzg> moin
13:55 < dsoul> hi nzg :)
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14:18 < rxr> blindy: submit a submaster patch for you deletion
14:18 < daja77> hi rxr
14:22 < daja77> rxr: already removed the 2.0.2 isos, or not available yet?
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14:24 < nzg> remoin
14:24 < daja77> hi nzg 
14:24 < nzg> moin daja
14:24 < nzg> daja77: i met the kde-dev you talked about on my prom
14:25 < daja77> on your what?
14:25 < nzg> prom = "abi ball"
14:25 < daja77> hehe
14:26 < nzg> seems to be a nice guy
14:26 < daja77> ;)
14:33 < rolla> re
14:46 < th> anyone familar with "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: auto_config: command not found" when building busybox in stable tree?
14:51 < blindy> rxr: I'll try the next time I get a reasonable internet connection
14:51 < blindy> btw: how come that starting with stage 5 the target is reset to generic after each package?
14:58 < blindy> ...
14:58 < blindy> ok
14:58 < blindy> gone
15:04 < rxr> maybe some typo in the config stuff - and thus the config is wiped ..
15:08 < daja77> ah damn i should read your announcement mails more carefully
15:11 < daja77> oh why is this build so lame this time
15:17 < Lorini> moin
15:20 < rxr> moin Lorini 
15:20 < Lorini> hi rxr :)
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15:43 < blindy> rxr: hmmm I fear it's because target/lvp is a bind mount
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16:03 < tfing> rxr: would an https access to svn.rocklinux-consulting.de be possible ? it would help to have access behind some proxys
16:05 < daja77> tfing: port 81 should work too
16:09 < tfing> daja77: the proxy i am behind at the moment does not like the special svn methods
16:09 < daja77> the webdav stuff? what about native svn protocol?
16:10 < tfing> it does not permit connect on port 3690
16:15 < daja77> sucks
16:16 < daja77> can you connect to port 81 without proxy?
16:18 < tfing> nope, proxy is mandatory
16:18 < daja77> you could tunnel ...
16:21 < tfing> well, i could, but maybe i am not the only one in that case
16:21 < tfing> in fact, i am not very often behind that proxy so i don't really care :)
16:22 < daja77> so complain at your site that they open svn port
16:22 < daja77> or patching the proxy
16:25 < rxr> tfing: port 81 is always active on my server
16:25 < rxr> tfing: and it is explained on the main page at svn.rocklinux-consulting.de
16:25 < rxr> but I can also put https:// on my TODO list ...
16:29 < daja77> echo "https" >> rxr-todo   error: no space left on device ;)
16:29 < rxr> I deleted MaxOSX recently - I now have 8GB more space ...
16:30 < daja77> lol ;)
16:31 < tfing> port 81 does not work, and i don't really need this special https, so a very very low priority (to do within the next 20 years) will be sufficient ;)
16:33 < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 308: /etc/profile: No such file or directory
16:33 < daja77> in stage 2 ...
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16:59 < rxr> tfing: I'll do
17:01 < daja77> have I already mentioned that i hate binary only driver stuff 
17:11 < togg> daja77: I also hate this... example: ati drivers, intel drivers for xscale, atheros wireless lan drivers
17:15 < rxr> braodcom wlan
17:20 < daja77> sorcus drivers
17:20 < daja77> hey i even get src to build them, with one binary only module, but these $censored hardcoded the kernel version in the binary
17:25 < rxr> you could just build your new kernel with the old version ;-)
17:26 < daja77> yeah, I want _them_ to fix it ...
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18:44 < esden> my god ... gcc needs half an eternity to install on solaris!
18:45 < daja77> slowlartus
18:45  * daja77 showing omnipresence once more
18:45 < esden> daja77: hehe ... yes ... you are always there
18:45 < esden> and the first one to give a comment about something ;)
18:46 < esden> daja77: but that is nice ... because otherwise I would feel very lonely here ;)
18:46 < daja77> hehe ;)
18:46 < daja77> <- will be off soon
18:46 < daja77> I promise ;)
18:47 < esden> daja77: nooo pleease ... do not leave me here alone!
18:47 < esden> *sniff*
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18:56 < daja77> 2.0.2 produces strange build errors
18:58 < daja77> !> Redefining some VERSION flags ...
18:58 < daja77> !> Correcting user and permissions ...
18:58 < daja77> !> chown: `root:root': invalid user
18:58 < daja77> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-linux26.out -> 5-linux26.err
18:58 < rolla> ha ha ha
19:00 < daja77> args
19:04 < daja77> k. found it >_<
19:05 < mnemoc> 2.0.2a?
19:05 < mnemoc> moin ;)
19:06 < esden> daja77: what was it?
19:06 < daja77> module-init-tools were not downloaded and stuff from sysfiles, it is downloding mozilla isntead >_<
19:06 < daja77> I hoped download uses some priorities
19:07 < daja77> so that one can build lower stages while building
19:09 < mnemoc> it suppose to do that.... at least it use it
19:09 < mnemoc> _old_ download script looped over packages file which is sorted by prio
19:09 < daja77> for some reason it downloaded gnome and mozilla stuff before
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19:10 < daja77> it is download script from 2.0
19:10 < mnemoc> uhm
19:10 < mnemoc> src/Download-Errors ? flagged as failed -> skiped
19:11 < daja77> there was no Download-Errors file :/
19:12 < mnemoc> :(
19:12 < daja77> == 19:15:21 =[1]=> Building base/module-init-tools [0.9.14 2.0.2].
19:12 < daja77> should work better now ;)
19:13 < daja77> yep finished
19:15 < daja77> !> Found shared files with other packages:
19:15 < daja77> !> etc/group: sysfiles uucp
19:15 < daja77> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-sysfiles.out -> 1-sysfiles.err
19:15 < daja77> >_<
19:22 < daja77> ok finished after rescheduling uucp *sigh*
19:25 < daja77> ok restarting from scratch, this has been too buggy
19:27  * daja77 off now
19:27 < esden> cu daja77 
19:55 < netrunner> hehe, looks like wxwidgets wants to play music during compile
19:56 < dsoul> lol
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20:15 < fake> re
20:15 < esden> argh ... damn boost ... this build system they have is simply braindead!
20:16 < esden> how could anyone create such an ill thing like jam >_<
20:16 < esden> hi fake 
20:17 < esden> netrunner: then let it play ;)
20:17 < esden> netrunner: it is for sure for your amusement ;)
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20:30 < fake> hm... interesting
20:30 < fake> i started a build yesterday, x86, p3, gcc34, kernel26 only
20:30 < fake> minimal
20:31 < fake> newest tar, e2fsprogs
20:31 < netrunner> esden: use the boost package from rock :)
20:31 < fake> the only 'sorgenkind' is linux-drm
20:32 < fake> after removing the ether-wake patch from net-tools, of course
20:32 < fake> who commited that?
20:35 < esden> netrunner: hrm ... that would be a really good idea ... if rocklinux would be tested on solaris ;) 
20:35 < esden> that would be rally nice if I could make ./scripts/Build-Target solaris
20:35 < esden> and then get a install package for solaris which I only need to pkgadd and then have all needed gnu tools on the system
20:36 < esden> that would be rally nice ;)
20:41 < fake> rxr: ping
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20:51 < rxr> fake: poing
20:51 < rxr> fake: when I committed etherwake patch it worked
20:52 < fake> rxr: they set BIN_DIR
20:53 < fake> while in the Makefile all other installs use BINDIR
20:53 < fake> so it creates /sbin/ether-wake
20:53 < fake> the new outside-basedir check reported it
20:53 < fake> how should we fix this?
20:53 < fake> mirror the patch on another download loc. where we can fix it?
20:54 < fake> or det BIN_DIR on the make arguments, too?
20:56 < fake> *set
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21:11 < rxr> when you wanna see s.th. ugly:
21:11 < rxr> http://gentoo-portage.com/ebuild_download.php?e=net-www/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox-0.9-r1.ebuild
21:15 < fake> oh
21:15 < fake> rxr: 2004062914403905881 
21:15 < fake> jsaw already fixed it
21:15 < fake> he added BASE_DIR
21:18 < fake> oh-oh...
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21:19 < rxr> oo?
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21:20 < fake> why is my /ROCK/download in stage 2 chroot empty?
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21:20 < fake> *sweat*
21:22 < rxr> at least this can not be my fault ...
21:22 < fake> tar: Unaligned block (10120 bytes) in archive
21:22 < fake> rxr: ;P
21:23  * fake re-downloading binutils...
21:23 < fake> let's hope it's not another dietlibc/tar weirdness
21:24 < fake> rxr: what do you think about using embutils for the bootdisk?
21:25 < rxr> don't know it
21:25 < fake> it's from fefe
21:26 < fake> http://www.fefe.de/embutils/
21:27 < fake> the included tar can 'only' do gzip compression, that's what needs to be changed in the build system
21:27 < netrunner> let's rename bootdisk to fefedisk :)
21:32 < fake> DAMN
21:33 < fake> tar/dietlibc is b0rk3n
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21:39 < fake> jsaw: are you here?
21:39 < rxr> fake: sparc oder x86?
21:40 < fake> rxr: x86 bootdisk
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21:40 < _NULL_> moin
21:40 < _NULL_> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! what a day! damn it!
21:41 < fake> line 633 in src/buffer.c of tar
21:45 < mnemoc> moin owl
21:45 < mnemoc> fake: i think i have seen that before
21:46 < fake> mnemoc: it may be because i optimised for athlon xp
21:47 < fake> usually i don't optimise a bootdisk so high
21:47  * fake checking
21:49 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
21:50 < _NULL_> hi mnemoc , fake , rxr 
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21:50 < fake> https://lists.sdsc.edu/pipermail/npaci-rocks-discussion/2004-June/thread.html
21:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr
21:50 < fake> what is that?
21:50 < esden> argh ... I hate propretary shit!
21:50 < esden> everyone has to create his own build system that is totally incompatible with the common stuff like autosplat
21:51 < rxr> esden: autosplat was what?
21:51 < esden> rxr: autosplat =^ autoconf automake libtool and co.
21:52 < rxr> esden: what are you ranting about exactly?
21:52 < esden> rxr: about doxygen at the moment
21:52 < esden> they have their tmake shit ... 
21:52 < esden> before I was trying (succeeded after all) to build boost
21:53 < esden> they also have their jam shit
21:53 < rxr> esden: do you want to propose that auto* is good(tm)?
21:54 < esden> no ... autosplat is crap
21:54 < esden> but it is standard
21:54 < esden> and everything that has other user interface then that is crap in my eyes
21:55 < esden> but autosplat is only crap internally
21:55 < esden> and as long as I do not look in to it it feels good ... ./configure make make install and that is it
21:55 < esden> and all software should build in that way
21:56 < esden> I do not care if behind it there is autoconf automake or anything else
21:56  * fake noting perl's Configure
21:56 < fake> or even better: mplayer!
21:56 < esden> as long the user interface is common and I do not have to read (in the worst case) html sites to learn how to build that crap
21:56 < fake> have you ever read mplayers configure script?
21:57 < fake> don't look for a configure.in
21:57 < esden> fake: ROFL
21:57 < fake> or even a Makefile.{in,am}
21:57 < fake> mplayers configure scripts should be rammed up the author's ass
21:57 < fake> sorry
21:57 < fake> *g*
21:57 < esden> hehe
21:57 < esden> ok ... I can understand you
21:58 < esden> that was very ilustrative :)
21:58 < esden> argh ... I need flex for doxygen ... *sigh*
21:59 < esden> ahh thank god there is a sun freeware packet for that ;)
22:01 < fake> arghl
22:02 < fake> esden: remember the patch-the-patch stuff on mine/cdb?
22:02 < esden> yes sure!
22:02 < esden> how could I forget that ;)
22:02 < esden> why?
22:02 < fake> i forgot to re-replace the -n1 instead of -1 patches
22:03 < fake> head -n1 instead of head -
22:03 < fake> head -n1 instead of head -1
22:03 < fake> and now i have to do it all again *cires*
22:03 < fake> *wuahaha*
22:03 < esden> ohh my goood
22:03 < esden> my condolences
22:04 < fake> i will no longer update the cdb.patch
22:04 < fake> i'll simply mail the changes to the author. *g*
22:04 < fake> so they get integrated upstream
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22:08 < alex-i> Hello
22:08 < rxr> hi alex-i 
22:09 < alex-i> What I meant by saying that Rock is too complex is not that it has too many features or too complex to understand.
22:10 < alex-i> I rather meant that things should be done easier with rock.
22:10 < alex-i> e.g. The building process might be simpler, for instance.
22:11 < fake> simpler than ./scripts/Build-Target ?
22:11 < esden> fake: hehe ... I think that is the best solution ;)
22:11 < alex-i> And, yes, the stable tarball releases shoulg go through a better check, so that ppl would have less trouble.
22:11 < alex-i> I meant, the building sequence.
22:11 < esden> hi alex-i 
22:11 < alex-i> Stages 0, 1 require building the same tools _twice_
22:11 < alex-i> esden: Hello
22:12 < alex-i> that seems ridiculuous!
22:12 < alex-i> What I think is the better way? That's one similar to LFS.
22:20 -!- freeed [~junix@pD95D013C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:20 < freeed> hi @ll
22:20 < esden> hi freeed 
22:21 < freeed> hi esden
22:24 < esden> strange log4cpp seems to compile without problems with gcc 3.4 o_O
22:33 < fake> rxr: isn't it time top update linux-drm?
22:33 < fake> rxr: the current one won't compile against 2.6
22:33 < rxr> try it
22:34 < fake> j0
22:40 < SMP> I knew log4j, log4perl, log4net - now log4cpp - what's next? log4m4? ;>
22:43 < mnemoc> log2sh :)
22:43 < mnemoc> 4
22:43 < fake> o_O
22:43 < fake> log4j *shivers*
22:43 < SMP> what's wrong with log4j?
22:44 < mnemoc> the j ;)
22:46 < SMP> log4net and NAnt don't even build on Mono ATM without major hacking
22:46 < mnemoc> :(
22:47 < mnemoc> apropos log4sh, what's the command line tool to add events to syslog?
22:47 < fake> rxr: do you want me to try useless stuff so i just shut up?
22:47 < SMP> mnemoc: logger
22:47 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks :)
22:48 < SMP> the even more funny thing about log4net and NAnt is that they are cross-dependent ;->
22:49 < esden> SMP: there is also log4r
22:49 < SMP> Ruby?
22:50 < fake> oh, and log4php
22:50 < esden> SMP: how have you guessed that? ;)
22:50 < SMP> and log4py
22:51 < _NULL_> .oO( at least there is no log4nn ..)
22:51 < SMP> but no log4tcl :)
22:51 < esden> and no log4st (small talk)
22:51 < mnemoc> log2hkl
22:52 < mnemoc> log4hkl even
22:52 < esden> mnemoc: you are fixed on converters ;)
22:52 < SMP> esden: Ruby is not the only language / environment that matches /^r/i
22:52 < mnemoc> :p
22:52 < esden> SMP: I know ... but the one I saw was for ruby
22:53 < esden> so your guess was correct
22:53 < mnemoc> lamp is another conflict, my lamp is linux+apache+mono+postgres :)
22:53 < esden> ok ... I have enough of solaris for now
22:53 < esden> now I need food
22:53 < esden> cu l8er
22:54 < _NULL_> bye esden 
22:54 < mnemoc> cu esden
22:54 < SMP> mnemoc: do you know www.codeproject.com ?
22:55 < mnemoc> uhm? ... /me opening
22:56 < mnemoc> it looks preaty nice
22:57 < SMP> there's a real market for closed-source coders crawling out of their shells
23:14 < fake> root@cinema:/# stone -text
23:14 < fake> +---
23:14 < fake> fold: `-70' option is obsolete; use `-w70'
23:39 < esden> re
23:41 < mnemoc> glibc s.th seem to not only affect tail and head
23:41 < esden> I hate police ... they always look at me in such a strange way ... as if I have done something wrong ... but I did not!
23:43 < mnemoc> maybe you look them strange before
23:44 < esden> dunno ... I look always friedly ... nice and innocent ;)
23:46 < esden> but at least the food was nice ;)
23:48 < mnemoc> you ate with a police?
23:48 < esden> no ... but afterwords I saw them on the street ... with their monster bmw in white and green
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