--- Log opened Wed Jun 30 00:00:00 2004
00:03 < fake> esden: you're a user
00:03 < fake> one of those communist linux users
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00:37  * A-Tui is away: dddd
00:40 < daja77> re
00:41 < daja77> esden just looks strange ...
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00:46 < MadTux> hi.
00:46 < daja77> hi MadTux 
00:48 < MadTux> Danny!
00:57 < dsoul> hi MadTux :)
00:57 < MadTux> mike :)
00:58 < dsoul> thats me :P
00:58 < MadTux> und ich :)
00:59 < dsoul> :>
01:02  * daja77 getting some sleep and trying to appear in esden's dreams
01:04 < MadTux> nightmares u mean?
01:07  * mnemoc hopes he isn't trying to be part of a romantic dream with esden
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01:15 < MadTux> mnemoc, OMG.. i was GOING to eat...
01:15 < MadTux> mnemoc, ingrato :(
01:20 < mnemoc> :)
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02:02 < MadTux> ha.. a friend of mine just payed me a php-mysql seminar :)
02:03 < mnemoc> uhm?
02:07 < mnemoc> arg... office is closing... cu tomorrow
02:10 < MadTux> cya
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02:38 < Lorini> n8n8 everybody 
02:38 < hannes_> gnu n8 Lorini 
02:39 < Lorini> n8 hannes_ :)
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02:46 < nzg> moin
02:55 < hannes_> hi nzg
02:55 < nzg> moin hannes_
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03:31 < demian> hi
03:32 < hannes_> hi demian 
03:35 < demian> hi hannes_ 
03:37 < hannes_> i will go to bed now; g'n8
03:38 < nzg> n8 hannes_
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04:06 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
04:06 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
04:06 [Users #rocklinux]
04:06 [ luckz] [ rxr] 
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05:36 < alex> Hello
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08:07 < Lorini> moin..
08:12 < ticktripper> Hello
08:47 < netrunne1> 1moin
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09:04 < rxr> moin
09:06 < blindy> moin
09:11 < freeed> moin
09:18 < valentin> moin all
09:18 < valentin> blindy: in berlin ?
09:32 < blindy> valentin: ack
09:32 < blindy> okay, ROCK screws up if there are --bind mounts in target/ directory
09:33 < blindy> still haven't found why, but the evidence is here
09:35 < blindy> valentin: arrived here on the 20th
10:18 < daja77> moin
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11:07 < _NULL_> moin
11:08 < _NULL_> wonderful. we will get a "atomzwischenlager" in grundremming *gnaaarf*
11:12 < daja77> so you will hrow even better
11:12 < daja77> grow
11:12 < _NULL_> yeah. and "kinder strahlen so hell"... (bald)
11:13 < _NULL_> (even in the night)
11:15 < netrunner> *rofl* http://www.tadzio.com/fun/baglabel.html
11:17 < daja77> lol
11:21 < rxr> cool - /me also want's such a bag ;-) 
11:21 < dsoul> rotfl
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11:29 < th> mnemoc: ping
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11:49 < tiefengrund> good morning
11:49 < _NULL_> hi tiefengrund 
11:50 < tiefengrund> hi _NULL_
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12:44 < TxD> moin
12:53 < esden> good morning
12:54 < esden> my god ... I am so weak
12:58 < TxD> how long takes zhe rocklinux installation ?
12:58 < TxD> because now i am using debian and i want to change
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13:08 < nzg> moin
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14:00 < _NULL_> remoin
14:00 < dsoul> hi owl :)
14:00 < nzg> wb _NULL_
14:02 < _NULL_> 3hi dsoul , nzg 
14:02 < nzg> moin dsoul
14:03 < dsoul> hi nzg :)
14:26 < Lorini> remoin
14:26 < nzg> moin Lorini
14:27 < Lorini> hi nzg
14:37 < daja77> moin
14:43 < rxr> moin daja77 
14:43  * daja77 playing with camino on macosX
14:51 < rolla> re
14:56 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:59 < rxr> welcome back rolla 
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15:02 < daja77> rxr: why you have kde-3.2.2 and gnome 2.4 in 2.0.2?
15:08 < rxr> because:
15:08 < rxr> - IIRC gnome.26 was not ready before branch
15:08 < rxr> - or because nobody cared about 2.6 enought ...
15:10 < daja77> hm k. but what about kde
15:12 < rxr> ah .- I thought you only wanted to know why gnome is old and kde new ...
15:14  * daja77 merged kde-3.2.3 into his build
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15:16 < SynQ> ielliew
15:16 < SMP> I thought we didn't merge Gnome 2.6 back because of API / ABI changes
15:17 < daja77> erh hi SynQ 
15:17 < rxr> SMP: yes - exactly
15:17 < SynQ> are there any dutch rocklinux developers?
15:17 < SynQ> as in Nederlanders?
15:18 < rxr> yes
15:18 < SynQ> ah
15:18 < rxr> jvc IIRC - maybe more
15:18 < rxr> armjin sadly is not active anymore
15:19 < daja77> we _had_ some iirc
15:19 < SynQ> how about Jos?
15:19 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/gallery.html
15:19 < SynQ> I've just looked at that
15:20 < SynQ> but it doesn't look like there are any _active_ rocklinux developers in the Netherlands
15:20 < rxr> Jan Veninga was quite active - using it on SPARC and such
15:20 < SynQ> cause if there were they could use rocklinux.nl
15:20 < rxr> I hope he still is
15:20 < SynQ> which I (we) have registered a year ago
15:21 < rxr> daja77: kde update now in 2.0
15:21 < daja77> ;)
15:22 < SynQ> I guess I'll send Jan Veninga an e-mail
15:22 < SynQ> later~~
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15:46 < mnemoc> moin
15:46 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
15:46 < nzg> moin mnemoc
15:46 < daja77> this damn os gives me the creeps
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15:50 < mnemoc> moin rxr, nzg, daja77 
15:50 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:51 < nzg> my room start's to look quite empty after the secont round of carrying stuff home...
15:52 < mnemoc> will you move yourself too?
15:52 < nzg> yes, in about two hours...
15:52 < nzg> shutdown already scheduled for in 1:30
15:53 < nzg> my box is the last thing to be packed...
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16:16 < mnemoc> bbl
16:33 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
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17:04  * nzg going off now...
17:07 < dsoul> bye nzg 
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17:12 < th> rxr: could you please merge r2596 into stable branch?
17:40 < rxr> th: I already have it marked as no-do, do you really need it in stable?
17:40 < th> rxr: does it break stuff?
17:41 < rxr> I did not wanted to assure this
17:42 < rxr> so you really need it, ... ?
17:42 < th> it would be a good-to-have, but i can run a complete build with it before, if you like.
17:43 < rxr> did you already used it?
17:43 < th> yes
17:43 < rxr> and know it does what you/we want?
17:43 < th> yes
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17:51 < netrunner> what means "select to only when the kernel itself is built" ?
17:51 < rxr> th: done - with you as author
17:51 < rxr> netrunner: I do not know this either ...
17:52 < th> that's obviously some kind of typo ;)
17:53 < rxr> yeah - and since this not my day to correct cliffods typos, ...
17:53 < rxr> cu ...
17:53 < th> rxr: this should be mnemoc's typo
17:53 < th> rxr: thx
17:54 < rxr> the log does not mention mnemoc ...
17:54 < th> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004011021454220456
17:55 < rxr> yeah - just visited it ...
17:55 < th> k
17:55 < rxr> just that our master does not hand-tune commit messages ...
17:55 < daja77> you are still angry with him ...
17:56 < rxr> cu later
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18:16 < TxD> hello
18:17 < daja77> hi TxD 
18:22 < TxD> hello daja77
18:22 < TxD> all right ?
18:22 < daja77> sort of why?
18:23 < TxD> not important
18:23 < daja77> O_o
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18:59 < netrunner> have I posted http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/kid.jpg ?
19:03 < Lorini> hihi
19:05 < esden> applyed cryptography ... that is a nice book by Bruce Schnierer ;)
19:05 < esden> netrunner: that girl knows what is good
19:07 < esden> that is also a nice one: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/11morbidbastid.jpg ;)
19:12 < daja77> esden!
19:13 < esden> daja77!?
19:13  * daja77 recovering from macosX
19:13 < esden> daja77: humm ... it seems that you really do not like it ;)
19:13 < daja77> hehe do you?
19:13 < esden> why is it so I do ask myself ;)
19:14 < esden> ohh it looks pretty ... and as it seems it has low maintainance needs ;)
19:14 < daja77> no i had to google to get a \ out of this keyboard
19:14 < esden> but what do I know ... I do not use it on a dayly basis
19:14 < daja77> hehe be happy
19:14 < esden> hehe ... who needs a backslash after all ;)
19:15 < esden> daja77: that is something for you ;) : http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/ACCasta.jpg
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19:18 < daja77> esden in printf("%s\n", blah) a \ is just nice
19:19 < esden> lol ... yes you may be right ... ;)
19:19 < th> ("%s%c", blah, 10)
19:19 < esden> th: you have got the point
19:20 < daja77> .oO (th got elected to do mac programming)
19:21 < th> i never touched a mac before...
19:21 < th> (mac virginity)
19:21 < daja77> esden: hehe I only know this pic with an imac as trashcan and the think different logo above
19:21 < daja77> well camino was quite nice ;)
19:22 < daja77> and I use vim on mac now
19:22 < esden> daja77: I think mac is pretty usable when you postinstall some tools ... from darvin ports or so
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19:22 < daja77> yep
19:23 < daja77> but they use tcsh ...
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19:25 < esden> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/MArror.jpg <- ROFL
19:26 < daja77> heh
19:26 < esden> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/McLaren2.jpg mahaha ... that is a good one too!
19:26 < esden> the east car ... very nice
19:28 < TxD> the first is nice too
19:28 < daja77> guess it would have the same chance against ferraroi like the real mclaren cars
19:29 < esden> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/a_very_long_flight.jpg <- nice ... that would be a ride ... I think I would go sleeping very fast ;)
19:33 < esden> hehe ... slashdot got a new look and feel! cool! : http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/afrodot.jpg
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19:34 < MadTux> Hola / Hello / Hallo / Oi / ni hao / ciao
19:34 < Lorini> hi
19:34 < daja77> hi miguel
19:34 < esden> hi mike!
19:35 < MadTux> wow.. people know me :)
19:35 < fake> huhu
19:35 < daja77> hi fake 
19:36 < esden> ohh ... very nice idea to prevent viruses: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/antivirusport.jpg ... but I think that is a very old joke already ... but still nice ;)
19:36 < dsoul> hi MadTux :)
19:37 < fake> esden: have you read the afrodto stuff?
19:37 < fake> it's funny ;)
19:37 < TxD> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/4.3G_floppy.jpg
19:37 < esden> fake: you mean afrodot?
19:38  * Lorini likes being a woman
19:38 < daja77> Lorini: why
19:38 < esden> Lorini: ahh how come?
19:38 < Lorini> *g*
19:39 < MadTux> Lorini: i like the fact that you are *QUITE* a woman :)
19:39 < esden> when you have good points for that I may consider changing my gender ;)
19:39 < fake> o/~ Cause after aaaaaal sheeees just aaa womaaaaaaaaaan o/~
19:40 < Lorini> when i ask a boy to give me a massage, i always get a "of course, where?" - try it with girls, see qhat you get ;)
19:40 < Lorini> *what
19:40 < daja77> cool will try on friday
19:41 < Lorini> good luck
19:41 < daja77> hehe I'll say you made me to ...
19:41 < Lorini> uh *g*
19:42 < fake> .oO( i know that the other way round *g* )
19:43 < Lorini> fake: ausnahmen.. (dont know it in english)
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19:43 < esden> rofl ... muahaha: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/ash.jpg
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19:43 < esden> Lorini: exceptions
19:44 < Lorini> ok ;)
19:59 < togg> hmm
19:59 < togg> my ldap login does still not work
19:59 < togg> in strace su ldap_user i see libnss_ldap.so.2 is missing
20:00 < togg> but it not seem to open pam_ldap.so
20:00 < togg> jsaw: do you have libnss_ldap ?
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20:14 < esden> woohoo ... that is a nice tatoo! : http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/cjxgipr1.jpg
20:19 < rxr> rehi
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20:24 < togg> keiner da der sich grad mit ldap auskennt? 
20:25 < togg> ehm i meant, nobody here who knows how to enable ldap logins?
20:25 < togg> i installed pam_ldap
20:25 < togg> but i dont know if my login uses ldap
20:25 < togg> i compiled busybox for using system calls
20:25 < togg> but strace shows only using nss_compat
20:25 < togg> and complains not finding nss_ldap
20:25 < togg> but i thought i dont need nss_ldap because i have pam_ldap
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20:27 < rxr> togg: sorry - i'm not a ldap user ...
20:28 < Vroum> i think busbox use a specific login software
20:28 < esden> I do not think that busybox uses pam ...
20:28 < togg> urm
20:28 < togg> which package hold the normal login utilities?
20:28 < togg> which uses pam?
20:28 < esden> th: but you should check that
20:28 < togg> and passwd and su and so on
20:29 < daja77> this is strange subversion wants an apr version 0.9.5 or higher, but the latest release is 0.9.4 ...
20:30 < esden> togg: dunno ... create a chroot ... or so with all that tools? ...
20:30 < esden> and why not use the standard tools?
20:30 < daja77> http://people.zoy.org/~sam/porno_hard.jpg
20:31 < esden> daja77: cute!
20:31 < daja77> :D
20:31 < esden> that would my cat do if I had one ;) http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/desperatecat.jpg
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21:35 < tfing> rxr: svn mv package/rene/inkscape package/rene/inkspace =]
21:54 < rxr> tfing: ?
21:55 < tfing> it's inkspace, not inkscape
21:55 < rxr> nope
21:55 < rxr> I made a typo in the desc - but the filename is ok
21:55 < rxr> http://www.inkscape.org/
21:55 < tfing> oh
21:55 < rxr> or am I overlooking s.th.?
21:55 < tfing> nope, i was
21:56 < tfing> the .desc got a typo though
21:56 < rxr> yep two
21:57 < rxr> fixed
21:58 < rxr> for that clifford kills me for this direct svn commit ...
21:58 < tfing> hehe
21:59 < daja77> rxr: we could arrange a boxing match @ the dev meeting
21:59 < rxr> nah - no interest
21:59 < rxr> that is s.th. he would win ;-)
21:59 < rxr> what dev meeting btw.
22:00 < daja77> clifford only told that he likes to do one ...
22:01 < fake> argh
22:01  * fake loosing faith
22:03 < rxr> fake: ?
22:04 < fake> i try to set up directfb
22:04 < fake> once again
22:04 < fake> because some logghead chipdesigner @matrox said 'we don't need acceleration on the second head'
22:06 < rxr> fake: what are you trying?
22:07 < fake> rxr: i have a DVB-S card (budget) and a Matrox G400. all i want to do is watch TV.
22:07 < rxr> what is the problem doing this in X?
22:07 < fake> (in a manner so i can switch channels in less then 1 minute)
22:08 < fake> rxr: no Xv support on the 2nd head
22:09 < rxr> I need to recheck - IIRC you have one video scaler - and it does not matter if it renders in the 1st or 2nd DAC ....
22:09 < fake> oh, rxr, i'd kiss you if you enlighten me
22:09 < rxr> I'm sure this is the case for mid-range Radeon once - and IIRC also for the matrox driver I looked into
22:10 < rxr> what matrox is this?
22:11 < fake> Matrox Millenium G400 w/ 32 MB RAM
22:11 < rxr> and when you e.g. move a xv windows from one to the other head it only keeps the color key (e.g. blue) even when fully placed on the 2nd head?
22:12 < fake> rxr: yes
22:13 < rxr> hm - have you looked in the souce? there are chances that this is only a typo or brain dead restrictions
22:13 < rxr> I need to recheck but I think it worked when I used it ...
22:14 < fake> oh boy, that would make things sooo easy
22:15 < rxr> why does netcat not work on my PowerPC
22:15 < rxr> ???
22:15 < fake> rxr: endianess weirdness?
22:15 < fake> rxr: the problem is, that the mga_hal.so for Xfree86 is still closed source
22:16 < esden> does anyone of you know how to disable single remarks in the intel compiler?
22:17 < rxr> oehm - HAL is not for XVideo
22:17 < rxr> AFAIHS it only does mode switching and such - not XVideo programming
22:17  * fake will try
22:17 < fake> although i already googled a lot
22:19 < esden> ahh ok there it is -wd is the option
22:19 < esden> I thought that is only for warnings
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22:33 < fake> rxr: the all keep telling me it won't work
22:33 < rxr> they? who?
22:35 < fake> rxr: all the matrox tv out howto's
22:37 < rxr> hm
22:37 < rxr> btw, what would directfb change?
22:39 < fake> rxr: there is a very fast -vo for mplayer especially for directfb on mga
22:39 < fake> when i tried with x11 without xv, x was eating too much cpu
22:40 < fake> (it;s "only" a dual P3-800)
22:40 < fake> when mplayer plays using the directfb out, cpu usage is much less
22:40 < rxr> read the mga driver source - to make sure
22:40 < fake> rxr: the open source driver does not support tv out
22:40 < rxr> with HAL it does, doesn't ?
22:41 < fake> yes, with the binary-only horribly-outdated closed-source mga_hal.so
22:42 < rxr> and the hal does not do xvideo programming IIRC ... just "mode switching and such"
22:44 < fake> damn, nothing works here
22:44  * fake installing windows XP
22:44 < fake> haha
22:44 < fake> the DVB apps for Windows are even lousier
22:46 < fake> (II) MGA(0): TV detected on second head.
22:47 < fake> interesting
22:47 < fake> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_hal_drv.o
22:47 < fake> (II) Module mga_hal: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
22:47 < fake>         compiled for 4.4.99.1, module version = 1.0.0
22:47 < fake>         ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.7
22:47 < fake> (==) MGA(0): Matrox HAL module used
22:47 < fake> it's shipped with xfree86?
22:48 < fake> or did we hack it in?
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22:49 < holyolli> moin
22:51 < rxr> fake: our x86 XFree includes it by default
22:51 < rxr> I set thsi up some time ago when I used MGA cards
22:51 < rxr> currently the only one left is a G200 PCI in my RS/6000
22:53 < SMP> Mono 1.0 released. weee!
22:53 < fake> netfilter remote DoS! wee!
22:53 < fake> rxr: cool
22:53 < rxr> damn shit:
22:53 < rxr> 549       while (total_ports > 0) {
22:54 < rxr> (gdb) p total_ports
22:54 < rxr> $1 = -1
22:57 < rxr> how can people get s.th. simple as netcat wrong ....
22:58 < rxr> argh!?!?!?!
22:59 < rxr> 7      ret -= (c >> 7);
23:02 < rxr> wow - now my netcat works
23:02 < rxr> -  register char c;
23:02 < rxr> +  register signed char c;
23:12 < netrunner> arg, just read svn commit messages and wondered since when that file exists in rock ... was a different project ;)
23:19 < fake> how can i add files to an existing iso image?
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23:30 < netrunner> fake: loop mount it?
23:31 < fake> netrunner: read only filesystem?
23:35 < netrunner> fake: is this image on a cd? 
23:35 < fake> no, an iso file on my hd
23:36 < netrunner> hm. yeah, there's something about it, I remember.
23:38 < fake> netrunner: iso files aren't resizable on-the-fly
23:38 < netrunner> you can do it with udf, but not with iso9660
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