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00:52 < DoofesEul> moin 
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03:10 < MadTux> re.
03:40 < esden> hi ho
03:42 < MadTux> ho hi
03:46 < MadTux> esden, query
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03:55 < esden> n8
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08:42  * netrunner hides and tries to evade rxr's view
08:42 < dsoul> ?
08:47 < dsoul> vsftpd need update :>
08:51 < netrunner> rxr: but how would I do matching the path against multiple items like it is possible with grep?
09:21 < blindy> moin
09:21 < dsoul> hi blindy 
09:23 < blindy> netrunner: you want to package prc-tools or may I do it?
10:13 < netrunner> blindy: I won't hinder you as I am currently @work.
10:14 < blindy> netrunner: ok :)
10:14 < blindy> netrunner: it's just that you packaged two things I wanted to package right as I started work on it ;)
10:14 < blindy> (ipw2100 and slmodem)
10:19 < netrunner> blindy: I packaged them for my new notebook. 
10:19 < netrunner> fix for ipw2100 is in work btw ;)
10:20 < netrunner> there's only a gcc34 patch on my notebook at home, so I will only submit it tonight or so.
10:25 < blindy> netrunner: I've patched it directly into my kernel anyway, so that I don't have to recompile each time I change something in my kernel
10:43 < blindy> bbl
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12:23 < owl> moin
12:23 < dsoul> hi owl 
12:25 < owl> hi dsoul 
12:25 < owl> i'm so lazy! *slept until now*
12:26 < esden> morning everyone ;)
12:26 < owl> hi esden ;)
12:26 < daja77> hey esden 
12:26 < owl> .oO( another lazy person ? )
12:26 < esden> ack
12:26 < dsoul> hi esden 
12:29 < esden> ok now I have to go
12:29 < esden> cu all
12:33 < dsoul> bye esden 
12:52 < owl> hrm. fake - here?
12:53 < owl> or someone else knows an application called "t39mgr" or sommething ... ?
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13:19 < blindy> rehi
13:20 < blindy> I don't have to get the idea behing cliffords wiki, do I?
13:21 < owl> hi blindy !
13:22 < blindy> moin owl 
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14:08 < netrunne1> blindy: this is not a wiki. a wiki should be easy to edit. this is not, I can just read it from here.
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14:23 < blindy> netrunner: ok, what's the idea behind his free-for-all-one-file-svn-repository?
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14:47 < rxr> re
14:48 < netrunner> hi rxr
14:48  * netrunner just wanted to build a stable, but all the downloads weren't found because of the new layout :(
14:53 < blindy> moin rxr
14:54 < rxr> moin all
15:01 < netrunner> how could I discard the first line of a text stream?
15:03 < blindy> tail -n +2
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15:04 < netrunner> ah, now I know what the +2 means ;)
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15:16 < rxr> I want to start nautilus once for a test, and?!?!? it just segfaults onme ...
15:17 < rxr> guess it again does not like some file in my ~ ...
15:18 < rxr> ah - soso:
15:18 < rxr> $ nautilus dav://svn.clifford.at/wiki/devmeeting.txt
15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:2: parser warning : xmlns:D: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI
15:18 < rxr> <D:multistatus xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:ns0="DAV:">
15:18 < rxr>                              ^
15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:2: parser warning : xmlns:ns0: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI
15:18 < rxr> <D:multistatus xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:ns0="DAV:">
15:18 < rxr>                                               ^
15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:3: parser warning : xmlns:lp1: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI
15:18 < rxr> <D:response xmlns:lp1="DAV:" xmlns:lp3="http://subversion.tigris.org/xmlns/dav/"
15:18 < rxr>                             ^
15:18 < rxr> damn gnome crap ...
15:44 < daja77> rxr: wanted to edit developer's meeting wiki?
15:52 < rxr> jep
15:53 < daja77> did it with konqueror
15:53 < daja77> with konqueror from rock 2.0.0beta6 ...
15:55 < rxr> I know konqui should support it - mine fail
15:55 < rxr> s
15:55 < rxr> I think nautilus is also considered to once supporting it ...
15:55 < daja77> kde 3.2.2 is a bit buggy on some things
15:56 < daja77> i played with nautilus and webdav some time ago and it failed
15:56 < daja77> and yes they claim to support
15:56 < rxr> ah - your -beta6 uses what KDE? 3.1 ?
15:56 < rxr> I have kdelibs-3.2.3 and kdebase-3.2.2 here ...
15:57 < rxr> kdebase-3.2.3 did not build on my iBook - with some messed up libs due to heavy gcc-3.4 development ...
16:00 < rxr> hm - kate does it ... - konqueror does use an read-only view for reasons I can not find out now - need to get more math in my brain for the exam tomorrow anyway ...
16:00 < daja77> hm konqueror startet kate here 
16:01 < daja77> good luck
16:06 < rxr> maybe some setting in my very old .kde dir still has some default value of prev. kde versions ..
16:08 < mnemoc> moin
16:08 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
16:08 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr
16:10 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I know you want to remeber me ...
16:11 < mnemoc> =)
16:11 < mnemoc> merger.sh :)
16:14 < rxr> 2495 builds total, 1708 completed fine, 168 with errors.
16:14 < rxr> yes .. I have not found time to work on it ...
16:14 < rxr> due to gcc34 fixes and such in trunk
16:14 < rxr> but I create the repository now and check it in ...
16:14 < mnemoc> don't worry :'(
16:14 < rxr> you are competent enough to adapt it for you needs ;-)
16:15 < mnemoc> i can wait a couple of extra days before that ;)
16:15 < daja77> what are you talking about?
16:16 < mnemoc> an script for helping svn merges
16:16 < daja77> ah
16:16 < rxr> daja77: a secret weapon *g*
16:16 < mnemoc> :p
16:16 < daja77> lol
16:17 < daja77> btw guess your article gave me a hint how to fix mutella package for 3.4, will try on we
16:18 < rxr> daja77: btw, is the article hugely announced on the frontpage or index (like the icc+kernel one in the last issue)? or just an feature article?
16:19 < daja77> a big fat headline on front
16:19 < daja77> quite long article
16:19 < rxr> oh - cool
16:20 < rxr> the lenght was already know - just not if it will be an ordinary article (like the ROCK one) or headline news ...
16:20 < daja77> well gcc is more relevnt to most ppl than rock :/
16:21 < rxr> yeah - sure, this is why I switched writing such articles *g*
16:21 < daja77> hehe and mentioning rock in them
16:22 < rxr> + ROCK PR due to Openbench and gsmp on *.rocklinux-consulting.de ;-)
16:22 < daja77> like I do in my talks
16:22 < daja77> I used a rock co example on my slides ^^
16:22 < rxr> the cool thing is even Apple and Microsoft people looked at the diagrams when I posted first revisions on the gcc list ...
16:22 < daja77> ;)
16:23 < daja77> weee rock 2.0.2 is about to finish
16:23 < rxr> quite cool to have *proxy(or what it was)*.microsoft.com in the logs ...
16:23 < daja77> hehe
16:25 < netrunner> just curious grepped through my access log and found "GET http://www.microsoft.com/ HTTP/1.1" in it. somebody trying to relay via me?
16:25 < blindy> netrunner: probably. I have those, too.
16:27 < daja77> 138 builds total, 1102 completed fine, 36 with errors.
16:28 < daja77> with gcc-3.2.3 :/
16:28  * netrunner thinking of a shell magic to link the download/ back to it's old shape
16:29 < daja77> this must be a bad joke
16:29 < daja77> rep-gtk.h:294: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_wi
16:29 < daja77> dget'
16:30 < daja77> or is my version of rep-gtk too old for 2.6
16:32 < rxr> daja77: I have seen this conflicting types thing mostly when broken gtk* headers
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16:33 < daja77> but why they should be broken
16:33 < rxr> daja77: miss definitions and declaration - e.g. they somtimes have int in one and s.th. different in the other ...
16:33 < daja77> sounds like crap
16:33 < rxr> s/miss/mix/
16:33 < rxr> like:
16:33 < rxr> int c_object_hacking (int new_value);
16:34 < rxr> int c_object-hacking (gtk_bool new_value)
16:34 < rxr> {
16:34 < rxr> }
16:34 < rxr> do not rember the real gtk bool type thou ...
16:34 < daja77> >_<
16:34 < daja77> how should someone fix that
16:38 < rxr> use the right typo in the first one ...
16:38 < rxr> - int c_object_hacking (int new_value);
16:38 < rxr> + int c_object-hacking (gtk_bool new_value);
16:39 < daja77> hm k. could do that
16:40 < daja77> other things I am fighting with is that libs that were build normally are not detected by other gnome configure scripts
16:42 < rxr> hm - don't know, just look into the config.cache config.log or so files what the tests try to do ...
16:42 < daja77> k.
16:47 < daja77> I am just wondering why nobody seems to notice that this rep-gtk stuff is broken
16:51 < mnemoc> nobody use it?
16:51 < daja77> hah even better the confict is gchar vs const gchar >_<
16:52 < rxr> this damn bastats - now they even closed more ports from within the university
16:52 < rxr> and http now is an proxy not supporting webdav ....
16:55 < rxr> so - now trowing all rocklinux-consulting.de traffic thru the VPN ...
16:55 < rxr> damn admins ...
17:01 < rxr> I can imagine their tears in their eyes when they know that I tunnel thru wild combinations of port ftp-data(20) and http(80)
17:06 < mnemoc> didn't you got a second ip address?
17:08 < rxr> in the past I could grab one - but they now do not route unregistered addresses anymore ...
17:08 < rxr> due to paranoia
17:09 < rxr> until they restrict port 20 and 80 more this VPN is ok
17:09 < rxr> I also might get the SVN port back for public access soon ...
17:12 < daja77> == 07/06/04 17:16:00 =[5]=> Finished building package rep-gtk.
17:12 < daja77> ^^
17:15 < rxr> 2495 builds total, 1715 completed fine, 170 with errors.
17:18 < blindy> rxr: at the moment it looks like I will stay in Berlin, so I can take you with me to devmeeting if you want
17:19 < rxr> blindy: I also do not know if I have enough spare time and money ...
17:22 < blindy> rxr: ok
17:23  * blindy going home now
17:23 < blindy> be
17:23 < blindy> bye
17:29 < daja77> interesting two packages fail to find gtkmm if built and the third does
17:29 < daja77> >_<
17:34 < rxr> maybe they expect different versions or so
17:34 < daja77> I'll look later
17:35 < daja77> at least 3 packages more building now due that fix ;)
17:42 < daja77> ARGL http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/48897
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17:50 < mnemoc> any openoffice guru? :\
17:50 < mnemoc> i guess not... anyway, anyone knows how to format a text to align left a symbol and align right the amount?
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17:53 < daja77> I rarely use openoffice
17:55 < rxr> yeah - damn
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17:57 < rxr> f*cking patents and politicans
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17:59 < daja77> this idiot
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18:00 < _SKiTZO> hi!
18:00 < _SKiTZO> i get some strange errors after installing rock
18:00 < daja77> hi _SKiTZO 
18:01 < _SKiTZO> it fails with an error fsck fails trying to check a reiserfs but i dont have any drives with reiserfs on them
18:02 < _SKiTZO> it all ends in a kernel panic
18:02 < _SKiTZO> i dont do anything special during install.. any clues?
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18:03 < _SKiTZO> my system drive is 160gb, and i partition it as follows: part1=100mb /boot ext3, part2=unpartitioned space for windows, part 3 / xfs, part4=swap
18:04 < daja77> hm
18:04 < _SKiTZO> i use grub for boot loader
18:06 < _SKiTZO> VFS: failed to mount root filesystem (or something similar, taken from my memory)
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18:20 < rxr> _SKiTZO: which rock version - from where?
18:23 < _SKiTZO> hm. latest v2 iso from... that iso place
18:23 < _SKiTZO> heh
18:23 < daja77> 2.0.1?
18:23 < mnemoc> can you paste the file name of the iso?
18:24 < rxr> the downside of a DBK: "what version are you really runnin?" ;-)
18:25 < mnemoc> giving support is quite hard :\
18:25 < _SKiTZO> i know
18:26 < _SKiTZO> well my issue is this: i cant do anything at home without gettin g the computer up, and that is the problem, getting the computer up :)
18:26 < _SKiTZO> i dont have windows or other versions of linux 
18:26 < _SKiTZO> so ime going by with booting the first rock cd̈́
18:26 < _SKiTZO> right now im at work
18:26 < daja77> rxr: it would be cool if i could change the rockid in Config, for builds like 2.0.2-daja+gnome26 and stuff
18:27 < rxr> _SKiTZO: ater the installation you got the setup tool, which asks for the root pasword and such?
18:27 < rxr> daja77: I thought about this, too
18:27 < _SKiTZO> ill come back after i know some details about my install
18:27 < rxr> daja77: you just need to edit script/parse-config for now ..
18:27 < daja77> I know, but this would cause issues with svn
18:27 < _SKiTZO> i used stone if thats what you are reffering to
18:27 < _SKiTZO> i selected all packages
18:28 < rxr> _SKiTZO: have you a seperate /boot partition - or all on a single / one?
18:28 < _SKiTZO> separate boot part
18:29 < _SKiTZO> my system drive is 160gb, and i partition it as follows: part1=100mb /boot ext3, part2=unpartitioned space for windows, part 3 / xfs, part4=swap
18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: daja77: do you use a sperate /boot partition for you lilo configs regularly?
18:30 < rxr> I already heared some complains about our lilo setup thing for some cases ...
18:30 < daja77> I neiter use a seperate boot partition nor lilo
18:30 < mnemoc> lba32 is the only change i do
18:31 < rxr> _SKiTZO: ok then try this
18:31 < rxr> reboot the install CD
18:31 < rxr> rerun the install as usual - it will use the update mode and not reinstll any package
18:32 < rxr> then choose GRUB (where I know it works with a seperate /boot)
18:32 < rxr> and I run lilo on qemu on my iBook to finally fix this bug  ... ;-)
18:32 < rxr> so the next version does not suffer it anymore ...
18:34 < _SKiTZO> i use GRUB allready
18:34 < mnemoc> =D
18:34 < _SKiTZO> stone didnt manage to configure it however, so i manually fixed it (typed in a meny.lst that worked)
18:35 < rxr> oh - sorry overread this ...
18:35 < _SKiTZO> root (hd0,3)
18:35 < _SKiTZO> setup (hd0)
18:35 < _SKiTZO> heh :) np
18:36 < rxr> hm - our default kernel also seems to include XFS, ...
18:37 < rxr> but - do yo pass the correct root=/ paraemeter to the kernel?
18:37 < rxr> like root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 ?
18:38 < _SKiTZO> hm.. that might be it.. where do i change it?=
18:39 < rxr> you can do this on the fly in grubn
18:39 < rxr> instead pressing enter or entering the image name do
18:40 < rxr> image-name root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
18:40 < rxr> so e.g.
18:40 < rxr> vmlinux root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
18:40 < rxr> or however it is named on your side ...
18:40 < rxr> and after a successfull boot change it in the menu.lst of grub
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18:44 < _SKiTZO> thx :) il try it as soon as i get home
18:44 < _SKiTZO> how do i get to the commandline in grub wen im in the menu btw?
18:44 < rxr> press 'c'
18:44 < _SKiTZO> okay
18:45 < rxr> _SKiTZO: thanks for giving ROCK a try - have fun!
18:45 < _SKiTZO> np :) oh and ive been giving it a try for quite some time now :P
18:45 < rxr> _SKiTZO: and please tell us if you resolved the issue
18:46 < _SKiTZO> its just im out of luck always it seems
18:46 < _SKiTZO> heh but im an optimist :)
18:46 < _SKiTZO> i will
18:47 < rxr> _SKiTZO: btw, what was wrong with the initial generated menu.lst ?
18:48  * rxr back in some minutes out for some food ...
18:48 < _SKiTZO> it was the default "examples how to boot all sorts of os'es"
18:53 < daja77> that indicates that you did not let stone generate one?
18:59 < _SKiTZO> hm. well i did select grub in the menu
18:59 < _SKiTZO> and tried to make it work
18:59 < _SKiTZO> and i was a bit supprised when i discovered that infact it hadnt made one
19:00 < daja77> there is an entry, generate default rock menu or sth like that ...
19:01 < _SKiTZO> hm. maybe i was sloppy
19:02 < _SKiTZO> ill definitely try harder this time around.. but still ppl are sloppy.. it should be part of the wizard
19:02 < daja77> hm
19:02 < _SKiTZO> like "select bootloader: grub,lilo,none"
19:02 < _SKiTZO> also one hting that bothers me: the wizard sould be skippable
19:02 < _SKiTZO> it sould start with "do you want to run the wizard"?
19:03 < _SKiTZO> and aotherwize fallback to the maintanance options
19:03 < _SKiTZO> -z+s
19:06 < rxr> yes - the grub and lilo stoen modules needs an update
19:06 < rxr> the PowerPC yaboot one is way more automatic ...
19:06 < rxr> (onfurtunately I nearly only use PowerPC nowadays ... ;-)
19:06 < daja77> rxr: i found bugs on your hp ;)
19:06 < rxr> in some days I have the time to improve the x86 ones ..
19:06 < rxr> daja77: paste them in a querry
19:06 < rxr> ;-)
19:07  * rxr having evening meal ...
19:07 < daja77> happy meal
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19:32 < _Lewellyn> hoi. anyone have any good troubleshooting tips for not being able to get any ethernet interfaces to work? everything gives me "Network is unreachable"
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19:32 < _Lewellyn> and yes, the ethernet is live :)
19:33 < daja77> _Lewellyn: try changing the ip to ip/24
19:33 < daja77> this is a damn bug
19:33 < _Lewellyn> hrm. that may do it. lemme wander over and try that
19:34 < _Lewellyn> oh, related question... how come i can't seemt o get it to bringup my interfaces at boot?
19:34 < daja77> hm perhaps it works after that
19:35 < _Lewellyn> ok. so far, i've had to go into stone to bring everything up.
19:35 < _Lewellyn> back in a few
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19:44 < hackeron> does rock linux have a wiki?
19:44  * daja77 off now
19:44 < daja77> no
19:44 < hackeron> ok
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19:45 < daja77> rofl
19:46 < netrunner> ????
19:46 < netrunner> can you explain this to me?? Message-ID: <20040706152345.GN20607@clifford.at>
19:49 < netrunner> 'older Download scripts will now fail' ... as in 'mirrors are now exclusively for -cuttingedgeunstabledevpartlybroken users'?
19:54 < _Lewellyn> daja77: thanks. it works now.
20:03 < _Lewellyn> hrm. new issues have arisen. it looks like i need a new fstab for 2.6. where is the cdrom device located?
20:03 < _Lewellyn> it isn't /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 anymore
20:03 < netrunner> /dev/cdroms/cdrom0
20:04 < netrunner> _Lewellyn: try modprobe ide-cd
20:04 < _Lewellyn> hrm. wonder why that's not autoloading now...
20:05  * netrunner too. just put it in the autoload modules for rockplug. (iirc /etc/conf/pci or so)
20:05 < _Lewellyn> ya. that's my next step
20:10 < _Lewellyn> mmkay... now i get to the parts i'm not looking forward to :)
20:10 < _Lewellyn> btw, stone is much nicer than rock 1.4.x :)
20:11 < netrunner> we'll give you hands :)
20:11 < _Lewellyn> heh. you don't want to know the hellish task this machine is destined for ;)
20:12 < netrunner> cyber sex portal?
20:13 < _Lewellyn> no. router with one lan and two wan connections
20:13 < netrunner> oh, boring :)
20:13 < _Lewellyn> i haven't quite figured out how to make linux do what i need, but i know *bsd is incapable of it.
20:13 < _Lewellyn> netrunner: you have a howto?
20:14 < _Lewellyn> my linux experiences pretty much ended with 2.1 :)
20:14 < netrunner> _Lewellyn: in my head, what do you nead? :)
20:14 < _Lewellyn> well, i need to make sure packets go back out on the interface they came in on, mainly.
20:15 < _Lewellyn> preferably, normal natted outbound traffic would be loadbalanced between the lines to provide speed to everyone
20:15 < netrunner> you can give the interface in a routing table entry ...
20:15 < _Lewellyn> the saving grace is that both wan connections are of a similar profile
20:16 < _Lewellyn> netrunner: but how can i guarantee traffic will be returning over the same interface?
20:16 < _Lewellyn> let's say it comes in on 1.2.3.4. i don't want to reply from 4.3.2.1.
20:16 < netrunner> hm, I'd say that's a task for netfilter.
20:17 < _Lewellyn> what's netfilter?
20:17 < netrunner> the thing responsible for packet filtering, nat and stuff like that.
20:18 < _Lewellyn> the latest incarnation of ipchains?
20:23 < rxr> yep - commonly known as iptables ...
20:25 < _Lewellyn> okie. lemme make sure i installed lynx
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21:30 < _Lewellyn> netrunner/rxr: i don't see any options to ensure that packets take the same path out as they came in.
21:30 < _Lewellyn> any suggestions who i can ask on that?
21:30 < _Lewellyn> or any docs? google wasn't very useful this time
21:34 < _SKiTZO> suggestion: exchange whatever compression that is used today for rock packages with lzo (http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/) 
21:34 < _SKiTZO> suggestion 2: make package installer multithreaded
21:34 < _SKiTZO> casue installing rock tages AGES
21:34 < _SKiTZO> takes
21:35 < _Lewellyn> _SKiTZO: funny. it didn't take long for me... *shrug*
21:36 < _SKiTZO> hm.. perhaps my cdrom is crap
21:36 < _SKiTZO> :/
21:37 < _Lewellyn> i just used a 8X DVD-ROM
21:37 < _Lewellyn> el cheapo LG.
21:42 < rxr> _SKiTZO: currently we use bzip2 for space
21:42 < rxr> if you build ROCK yourself you can change gzip - and speed it up a lot
21:43 < rxr> multitheading does only pay on multi CPU boxes - since a CPU is already saturated with bzip2 compression
21:47 < _SKiTZO> hm. id select lzo for speed, gz for compatability and 7zip for space
21:47 < _SKiTZO> http://www.7-zip.org/
21:48 < _SKiTZO> the thing with multithreading is that it wil gain you something in a lot of situation you would not expect it to do so
21:49 < _SKiTZO> for example reading from a CD rom can be doen while the cpu is saturated since it mainly needs administration of dma transfers
21:49 < _SKiTZO> that subtle overlapping can really make a difference
21:49 < mnemoc> _SKiTZO: portability is _also_ important, lzo and 7zip don't exist in normal boxes
21:49 < _SKiTZO> true
21:50 < rxr> is 7-zip better than bzip2 ?
21:50 < _SKiTZO> still if it gains you half the installtime or half the install space, and it is available on the install CD. but it should be optional
21:50 < _SKiTZO> 7-zip is 1/2 of gz i think
21:51 < _SKiTZO> they have benchamrsk.. i never saw bzip2 as a specially good compressor (??)
21:51 < mnemoc> is much better than gzip
21:51 < mnemoc> it is... *
21:52 < _SKiTZO> sually 7-Zip compresses to 7z format 30-70% better than to zip format. And 7-Zip compresses to zip format 2-10% better than other zip compatible programs.
21:52 < _SKiTZO> cut from page
21:52 < rxr> yep just read it 
21:52 < _SKiTZO> but i think it is really slow
21:52 < _SKiTZO> heh
21:52 < rxr> but bzip2 is the standard unix gzip enhancement alread compressing much better than gzip
21:53 < rxr> I think it would be a surprise if 7-zip is better
21:53 < rxr> maybe 7-zip is also slow?
21:53 < rxr> strange is that they laft out such a well known algorithm as bzip2 ...
21:54 < _SKiTZO> hm.
21:55 < rxr> hm - there is even rzip
21:55 < rxr> I have not know yet:
21:55 < rxr> http://rzip.samba.org/
21:56 < _SKiTZO> http://www.maximumcompression.com/
21:56 < rxr> rzip is not for everyone! The two biggest disadvantages are that you can't pipeline rzip (so it can't read from standard input or write to standard output), and that it uses lots of memory. 
21:57 < rxr> hm - on random binary data it is slower then bzip2:
21:57 < rxr> BZip - 33.69s, 17,728,172
21:57 < rxr>  RZip - 43.97s, 17,855,402
21:57 < _SKiTZO> that is only logical
21:57 < _Lewellyn> 7z is somewhat better than bz2, IF you take the time to compress properly.
21:58 < _Lewellyn> however, that requires a while.
21:58 < _SKiTZO> hehe
21:58 < _Lewellyn> we use lzma for software installers
21:58 < _Lewellyn> the installer then needs >32MB ram
21:58 < mnemoc> lzo is the best for decompressing
21:59 < _SKiTZO> yep.
21:59 < _SKiTZO> i figured lzo would rock
21:59 < _SKiTZO> since it comapres to gz in compression and is really fast
21:59 < _SKiTZO> like 1/5 of memcpy
21:59 < _Lewellyn> however, lzo does not exist on many systems. which makes it harder to work with the archives on a different system.
22:00 < _Lewellyn> s/many/most/
22:00 < _SKiTZO> true.. but then u just make a conversion util and perform a complete conversion of the packages if ppl want one and one package
22:00 < _SKiTZO> or build lzo into the package utils
22:02 < rxr> lzo can easily be built - it should not be such a harm
22:02 < rxr> I think I add adding lzo compression to the toolchain to my todo
22:02 < rxr> lzo as package is already present in rock ...
22:05 < mnemoc> at mnemoc's repo ;)
22:05 < rxr> yeah - near openvpn ... ,)
22:05 < mnemoc> yeah... doing odd tunneling at your uni
22:06 < rxr> yeah - thanks for packaging it ,)
22:06 < rxr> hopefully the stafull firewall looks up a few times due to my freaked up packages going thru it ...
22:16 < mnemoc> .oO( rocklinux is the only one still using my old MX )o
22:19 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
22:20 < mnemoc> the ML is sending me the mails to my old (three days) MX 
22:20 < mnemoc> (geeks.cl)
22:25 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: has the TTL expired? ;)
22:25 < mnemoc> no idea ;) ... i guess not
22:26  * mnemoc wonder which is the default TTL on tinydns
22:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: well, you could try this... dig geeks.cl @offending.name.server
22:28 < _Lewellyn> it will tell you how many seconds remain for each name server
22:28 < mnemoc> interesting
22:38  * mnemoc didn't like dig.... i'll keep using nslookup
22:39 < _Lewellyn> different data :)
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22:40 < mnemoc> hm? may be i overread dig output
22:40 < _Lewellyn> jsut look at the seconds left for each name server.
22:40 < _Lewellyn> i forget the option to only show that
22:42 < mnemoc> i only see the SOA :\
22:42 < mnemoc> dig geeks.cl @ns.nextra.at
22:43 < _Lewellyn> hrm. ya. it's not giving a full response. :(
22:43 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking more like dig selectsoft.com @ns.google.com.
22:50 < fake> moin
22:50 < hannes_> hi
22:50 < hannes_> hi fake 
22:52 < Lorini> hi hannes_, fake
22:53 < hannes_> hi Lorini 
23:00 < fake> hi Lorini, hannes_
23:03 < daja77> _Lewellyn: good
23:03 < _Lewellyn> daja77: why is the default netmask 255.255.255.255 anyway?
23:04 < daja77> it is not really a default
23:04 < daja77> you just had none specified
23:05 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you forgot the netmask ;)   1.1.1.1/24
23:05 < daja77> and yes it is a bug that stone does not have one
23:05 < daja77> mnemoc: yep but stone should have the /24 in the example
23:05 < mnemoc> i guess rxr fixed that reciently
23:07 < _Lewellyn> and chapter 11 of the handbook doesn't mention it ;)
23:07 < _Lewellyn> the examples do, but i thought that was for completeness.
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23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - this is fixed in the latest ROCK Net stone module
23:29 < mnemoc> uhm... what time is changes when you `mv`?
23:29 < daja77> oh great than I should remove that bug report ...
23:29 < _Lewellyn> mtime, i think.
23:29 < rxr> oh - yes, the handbook needs fixing, too
23:29 < rxr> thanks for the notice
23:30 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it's not :\
23:30 < _Lewellyn> the handbook also doesn't make quite clear where to use the different keywords in chap 11
23:30 < fake> ok, who likes perl modules? ;)
23:30 < mnemoc> clifford
23:30 < _Lewellyn> for example, you can kinda infer where to use search, but i don't see it in any examples.
23:31 < fake> this webdav svn thing is sw33t
23:31 < fake> i didn't know how powerful the kde editor is ;)
23:31 < daja77> yep
23:32 < daja77> you just save and that's it
23:33 < fake> hm, would be great for html file editing
23:33 < daja77> just using a real wiki then
23:34 < fake> nah
23:34 < rxr> ok - new test:
23:34 < rxr> text even:
23:34 < rxr> \item ip ip-address/netmask-bits
23:34 < rxr>   Set the given ip and netmask in CIDR notation (e.g. 192.168.1.2/24) when
23:34 < rxr>   the interface is set up, remove all IPs from the interface when the
23:34 < rxr>   interface is shut down. Of course the keyword can be used multiple times
23:34 < rxr>   to set multiple IPs for an interface.
23:35 < fake> rxr: can you bold some stuff in the text?
23:35 < rxr> yure
23:35 < rxr> sure even
23:35  * rxr needs sleep
23:35 < rxr> what do you wanna have bold?
23:36 < fake> rxr: then please make the first AND bold...
23:36 < fake> rxr: i often get requests becuase people forget the /netmask
23:36 < rxr>   Set the given ip \bf{and} netmask in CIDR notation (e.g. 192.168.5.1/24)
23:36 < _Lewellyn> fake: it wasn't really documented before ;)
23:37 < owl> fake: hi. 
23:37 < rxr> yeah - confusing was that the "wizard" did not used a sane default ...
23:37 < fake> owl: hi! tsemgr or the kde bluetooth framework (kdeextragear-3)
23:38 < owl> tse! tse!!! aaaargh. *sich selbst mal in den hintern beiss* thx
23:38 < fake> oh, as a side note, stone -text needs a small fix
23:38 < rxr> fake: submater or mail please
23:38 < rxr> I'm off now - exam tomorrow ...
23:38 < owl> thx anyway, fake :)
23:38 < fake> fold: `-70' option is obsolete; use `-w70'
23:38 < fake> Try `fold --help' for more information.
23:38 < owl> bye rxr . good luck
23:38 < fake> rxr: gambare!
23:38 < rxr> fake: ok - I can fix this
23:39 < Lorini> n8 everybody
23:40 < fake> rxr: 5 lines in gui_text.sh ot so
23:40 < fake> *or
23:40 < rxr> please review svn:HEAD
23:41 < fake> rxr: thx, i will. no get some sleep ;)
23:41 < rxr> 4 lines I think
23:41 < rxr> cu all
23:41 < fake> yes, 4, right.
23:43 < owl> *puke* someone wants a magendarmgrippe
23:47 < rxr> owl: /me?
23:47 < daja77> lol
23:49  * owl sends the margendarmgrippevirus to rxr 
23:49 < rxr> owl: if you meant me - no I do not want it - if I do not pass the exams I can continue studying s.th. different because I'll get exmatrikuliert ...
23:49 < rxr> exmatriculated ;-) or so
23:49 < rxr> so - but now, cu
23:50 < daja77> n8 rxr 
23:50 < owl> rxr: hehe. nope ;) i meant just the whole channel ;) cuz it won't get better :(
23:51 < daja77> nice fixing re-gtk decreased error count by 7
23:51 < daja77> rep-gtk
23:59 < daja77> I really like gnome software ...
23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c: At top level:
23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c:1109: syntax error before '*' token
23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c: In function `network_type_changed_cb':
23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c:1115: `option_menu' undeclared (first use in this function)
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