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--- Log opened Thu Jul 08 00:00:14 2004 00:24 < mnemoc> re jsaw 00:24 < daja77> hi jsaw 00:25 < jsaw> hi there 00:57 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 02:21 -!- command [~command@62.139.152.68] has joined #rocklinux 02:21 -!- command [~command@62.139.152.68] has left #rocklinux [] 02:41 < rolla> anyone around? 02:42 < owl> yeah. hi rolla 02:43 < jsaw> <- reading w/ one eye 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801FD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F648.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 06:18 < rxr> moing 06:19 < owl> moin 07:23 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #RockLinux 07:32 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:46 -!- _Lewellyn [tribalis@c-24-4-235-168.client.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:02 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 08:52 < netrunner> moin 09:02 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:19 -!- daja77 [[Qy2Lsidmh@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:28 -!- daja77 [[kA+IDnS+R@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:41 < blindy> moin 09:42 < dsoul> hi blindy 09:43 < daja77> oin blindy & dsoul 09:44 < Lorini_> moin 09:44 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 09:45 < dsoul> hi daja77 09:45 < dsoul> hi Lorini 09:45 < daja77> Lorini: ! 09:46 < Lorini> daja! :) 10:02 < esden> morning everyone 10:03 < daja77> hi esden 10:03 < dsoul> hi esden 10:03 < Lorini> hi dsoul, esden :) 10:03 < esden> *YAWN* 10:04 * daja77 putting flies in esden's mouth 10:04 * esden munching the files, not paying attention 10:05 < valentin> https://www.drugster.com/anarcho/unix-support.htm 10:06 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:08 < daja77> lol valentin 10:11 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:14 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 10:17 < blindy> nice project I have here 10:18 < blindy> a V480 and two SunBlades 10:18 < blindy> customer: here's an ip-range, choose what you like. Oh, and we have no idea what hostname we should use, please choose some for us. 10:18 < blindy> I'm currently thinking: donald, daisy and dagobert 10:20 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 10:32 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 11:05 < daja77> https://fun.drno.de/pics/german/tip_des_tages.jpg *rofl* 11:08 < blindy> well, and what about legal movies? 11:22 < daja77> I like the ntsc vs pal discussion in that context 11:27 < blindy> what's wrong about it? 11:28 < daja77> have you ever had downloaded movies in ntsc format? 11:28 < blindy> usually in .avi :) 11:28 < daja77> you see 11:29 < blindy> I guess I see what you mean 11:29 < daja77> ;) 11:40 * blindy lunch 12:04 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:04 < TxD> moin 12:05 < dsoul> hi TxD 12:23 < blindy> back 12:27 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:33 < daja77> https://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~kszwed/wifes-car.jpg 13:14 < rxr> hi 13:15 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C061.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:22 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D01C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:29 < dsoul> hi rxr 13:34 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-205-195.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:39 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-191-112.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:46 < blindy> moin rxr 13:47 < rxr> hi blindy 13:48 < rxr> ok - cu - /me again off ... 14:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABB2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:24 < rolla> re 14:44 -!- nzg [~Tobias@p508EB1CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 < nzg> moin 14:48 < daja77> moin nzg 14:48 < nzg> moin daja 15:06 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABB2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:38 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:40 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:41 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 15:41 < daja77> wb pingout rolla 15:41 < rolla> wtf 15:43 < daja77> just kidding 15:50 < netrunne1> wow, I just plugged in my usb mouse and had the 2 axis reverted :0 15:55 < blindy> nice for flight simulators 16:28 < mnemoc> moin 16:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA111.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 16:34 * blindy going home 16:44 < daja77> mnemoc: *terrorping* 16:45 * mnemoc hides 16:45 < daja77> hey mnemoc 16:45 < mnemoc> hi daja77 16:46 < daja77> I am just wondering about openldap compile error in 2.0.2 16:46 < daja77> which version of cyrus-sasl is needed by openldap 16:47 < mnemoc> i haven't rebuilded it since someone fix it to use sasl2 16:48 < mnemoc> i.e. i have no idea 16:48 < daja77> >_< 16:48 < daja77> that someone produces shared files errors between version 1 and two >_< 16:48 < mnemoc> :p 16:49 * mnemoc kicks someone 16:49 < daja77> ;) 16:50 < mnemoc> i wonder too about updateing openldap to the next branch 16:50 < mnemoc> 2.1.30 -> 2.2.11 16:54 < netrunner> what about updating ruby to 1.8? 16:56 < daja77> k. trying to build without sasl 16:57 < netrunner> does anybody know if the current trunk builds? 16:57 < daja77> see rxr's reference builds 17:00 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["leaving"] 17:00 -!- nzg [~Tobias@p508EB1CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:12 < daja77> nice --without-cyrus-sasl switch does not work >_< 17:18 < mnemoc> :p 17:18 < mnemoc> you need openldap or just fixing? 17:20 < daja77> i am trying to get a package for my 2.0.2 17:21 -!- De_Elsasser [De_Elsasse@ASte-Genev-Bois-102-1-4-200.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:22 < De_Elsasser> i am in? 17:23 < De_Elsasser> hello all 17:23 < mnemoc> hello daja77 17:23 < mnemoc> uhm 17:23 < mnemoc> De_Elsasser: 17:23 < daja77> De_Elsasser: ! 17:23 < De_Elsasser> it's a long history 17:24 < De_Elsasser> hello daja77 17:25 < De_Elsasser> nice to see you 17:25 < daja77> nice to see you too 17:25 < daja77> unfortunatly you've missed linuxtag this year 17:27 < De_Elsasser> daja77: my linux turn under rocklinux seit yesterday 17:27 < daja77> cool 17:27 < daja77> which version? 17:27 < De_Elsasser> but i can't connect the modem 17:27 < De_Elsasser> 2.0.1 17:28 < De_Elsasser> i am under windoooooows 17:28 < daja77> :( 17:29 < De_Elsasser> :(( 17:29 < daja77> what's the problem you get 17:29 < De_Elsasser> it's a speedtouch 330...someone know it? 17:30 < De_Elsasser> adsl of course 17:30 < daja77> I haven't used a modem for years 17:30 < daja77> ah k. 17:33 < De_Elsasser> in 9 month it must be a new linux, no? 17:34 < De_Elsasser> i am *rechst gelehmt* 17:34 < De_Elsasser> and i am recowring the linux 18:08 < mnemoc> *yawn* 18:08 < daja77> :p 18:08 < daja77> guess I'll let it be broken ... 18:09 < mnemoc> :\ 18:09 * mnemoc feels guilty 18:10 < daja77> I could use svn blame to verify that ;) 18:11 < mnemoc> :( 18:11 < daja77> just kidding 18:11 < daja77> don't worry 18:12 < daja77> cu later 18:15 < mnemoc> cu daja77 18:16 -!- De_Elsasser [De_Elsasse@ASte-Genev-Bois-102-1-4-200.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 18:38 < fake> moin 18:39 < mnemoc> moin fake 18:47 < fake> hm... 18:48 < fake> binutils and gcc's libiberty are once again very intelligent 18:49 < fake> they claim i have no limits.h 18:50 < mnemoc> they are limited to not see it 18:50 < fake> oO 18:50 < fake> huh? 18:51 < fake> # It's OK to check for header files. Although the compiler may not be 18:51 < fake> # able to link anything, it had better be able to at least compile 18:51 < fake> # something. 18:51 < fake> AC_CHECK_HEADERS doesn't find a single header 18:51 < fake> guess it's a compiler issue 18:53 < fake> arr 18:54 < fake> sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc: -Av9a: linker input file unused because linking not done 18:54 < fake> that's not an error, but AC thinks gcc needs to be quiet if all goes right 19:00 < daja77> hi fake 19:01 < fake> hm! 19:01 < fake> hi daja77! 19:01 < fake> -Xassembler seems different from -Wa, 19:11 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-168-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["leaving"] 19:16 < fake> jup, -Wa instead of -Xassembler did the trick 19:16 < Lorini> hi fake 19:17 < fake> hi Lorini! 19:17 -!- SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:46 < fake> Ali G. Show #3 on VIVA in a few minutes 19:54 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA111.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07 < rxr> rehi 20:07 < daja77> hi rxr 20:07 < rxr> daja77: I saw my final article today ... 20:08 < daja77> you like it? 20:08 < rxr> daja77: the diagrams are ugly ... - mine have been much more pretty :-( 20:08 < rxr> daja77: and I also saw some last miniute editing that did break my meaning 20:08 < daja77> ack, they are hard to read 20:08 < rxr> I think they shrinked the article by around a half page to get it fit into the magazine or so .. 20:09 < rxr> and the color is ugly -- it caues eye cancer ... 20:09 < rxr> and the VoIP articles are really bad ... 20:09 < daja77> haven't read them 20:09 -!- De_Elsasser [De_Elsasse@ANancy-110-1-22-170.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:10 < daja77> wb De_Elsasser 20:10 < De_Elsasser> salut daja77 20:11 < daja77> did it work now? 20:11 < De_Elsasser> immer noch unter windoooooows 20:11 < daja77> egal 20:12 -!- pep [pdemb@pb71.konin.sdi.tpnet.pl] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 < rxr> heise.de: 20:13 < rxr> Autor der Mainboard-Monitoring-Freeware MBM hat keine Lust mehr 20:13 < rxr> super ?!?!?!? - what news is that? Why didn't they posted a single ROCK News I feet to them ?!?!?! 20:13 < pep> I have bad news 20:14 < netrunner> rxr: because you don't know any author there :) 20:14 < pep> on FC2, rock 2.0.1 bootdisk build fails too :) 20:14 < pep> the same thing as with 2.0.2 20:14 < daja77> rxr: it is heise 20:15 < rxr> pep: what is the error? 20:16 < pep> the same -- permission denied 20:16 < pep> 2nd pass, binutils 20:16 < pep> https://illx.org/~pdemb/varia/2-binutils.err <- errlog from 2.0.2 is here 20:16 < owl> moin 20:17 < De_Elsasser> moin moin owl 20:17 < rxr> chown: `root:root': invalid user 20:17 < rxr> ?!?! 20:17 < rxr> pep: any other errors before that one? 20:18 < pep> afaik no 20:18 < rxr> strange ... 20:18 < pep> hm, I could put all logs on the webpage 20:18 < rxr> pep: I'm sorry I have not much time this night - I need to refresh (just back from an exams day at university) and I need to do some contract conding - I guess until mid-night ... 20:19 < pep> yeah 20:19 < rxr> you could / should mail to the rock-user or rock-devel list, to get more and asynchron attention 20:19 < pep> hum, probably I will 20:19 < netrunner> pep: you do have a root group, no? 20:19 < pep> who maintains binutils? 20:19 < pep> ofkoz I do 20:20 < rxr> pep: in ROCK? 20:20 < pep> yup 20:20 < rxr> I guess either Clifford Wold or I are listed there 20:20 < pep> the package, the build script 20:20 < pep> ah 20:20 < rxr> you can see this in the .desc file 20:20 < rxr> the [M] tag is the ROCK Linux maintainer 20:20 < pep> hm, haven't you tried to build 2.0.2 on non-rock linux? 20:20 < rxr> just take a look in packge/bas/binutils/binutils.desc 20:20 < rxr> pep: yes, we try this from time to time 20:21 < rxr> this error is not yet know ... 20:21 < pep> yeah 20:21 < pep> I can see that 20:21 < pep> well, you seem to make very closed distro :) 20:22 < pep> or /me has no luck 20:22 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-168-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:22 * pep tried to build it on debian and fc2 20:22 < netrunner> rxr: it cannot be the passwd from sysfiles as this is not yet chroot, no? 20:23 < pep> hum, it happens after chrooting I think 20:24 < netrunner> no, chroot is stage>2 iirc 20:24 < rxr> 2 is chrooted 20:24 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse72.html 20:24 < rxr> [ $stagelevel -gt 1 ] && cmd_root="$cmd_root -chroot" 20:25 < pep> yup, and binutils is the first package being built in this stage 20:25 < rxr> ^- scripts/Build-Target:283 20:25 < netrunner> rxr: the error before the chroot is ../binutils/arlex.l: Permission denied 20:26 < netrunner> s/chroot/chmod/ 20:26 < rxr> does your build/$cfgname/root/etc/passwd contain root? 20:26 < rxr> and the .../grups root? 20:26 < rxr> I guess this is some selinux whatever fedora thing 20:26 < rxr> different root id then 0 or some other hacks arouns that .... 20:26 < pep> selinux is turned off 20:26 < pep> there is no passwd file in this directory 20:27 < rxr> but the directory exists? 20:27 < pep> yup 20:27 < rxr> is other stuff in it? 20:27 < netrunner> rxr: have you seen the permission denied thing in the .err he posted? 20:27 < rxr> yes 20:27 < fake> netrunner: livecd experience yet? 20:28 < netrunner> fake: cloop: unable to get kernelversion the module was compiled for 20:28 < netrunner> fake: dropped to stage 1 20:28 < netrunner> kiss 20:28 < fake> netrunner: interesting 20:28 < netrunner> fake: sure :) 20:28 < owl> hi fake 20:28 < pep> rxr: conf, cron.d, cron.daily, diet.ld.conf fdprm init.d iproute2 ld.so.cache ld.so.conf modprobe.conf modprobe.devfs mtab network opt profile.d rc.d rpc skel stone.d wgetrc 20:29 < fake> netrunner: but sounds like i caught that error correctly 20:29 < pep> rxr these are the files and directories from that directory 20:29 < netrunner> fake: ah, it's you who says so? :) 20:29 < fake> netrunner: which kernel do you use? 2.4 or 2.6 ? 20:29 < fake> netrunner: i try to start kiss whenever something goes wrong 20:30 < rxr> pep: can you put the build/$cfgname/root/var/adm*/*sysfiles* on your server please? 20:30 < pep> rxr: init.d is symbolic link to rc.d/init.d 20:30 < pep> sure 20:30 < rxr> pep: I'm just phoning and then taking a shower - and then I look at those - I hope you have the time ... 20:30 < netrunner> fake: 2.4 iirc 20:31 < netrunner> yup 20:32 < fake> netrunner: i only use 2.6 ;) 20:32 < pep> well, the dir is at https://illx.org/~pdemb/varia/pep-broken-etc.tar.gz 20:32 < pep> anyone who wants, can get it on his/her computer :D 20:32 < netrunner> pep: interesting would probably be 1-sysfiles.log 20:33 < pep> hm, this is etc/ dir, I can put logfiles too 20:33 < netrunner> fake: I'll try. 20:33 * fake just noticed cloop is using c++ 20:34 < fake> rxr: when will the c++ compiler be availible in stage 1 ? you wanted to do that ;) 20:47 < pep> there is no 1-sysfiles.log 20:47 < netrunner> fake: uhm, ... could it be that pkgforking sneaked into trunk? I suddenly have no kernel in my packages any more ... 20:47 < pep> should it be there? 20:48 < daja77> netrunner: not sneaked, committed 20:48 < netrunner> pep: If I read the .desc correctly, yes. you can try a scripts/Build-Target -cfg $yourconf -job 1-sysfiles 20:48 < netrunner> daja77: oh :) 20:49 < netrunner> If I wouldn't have moved all the download files I would change to stable :( 20:49 < daja77> I have both directories :D 20:49 < pep> apart of all other things, rock is a good machine benchmarking tool :) 20:50 < daja77> hehe 20:50 < pep> I found that on my celeron 333 linux 2.6.7 kernel compilation takes about 4 hrs 20:51 < daja77> hm stf fixed rtai stuff for me 20:51 < pep> anyways 20:51 < pep> netrunner: I did what you wrote, but there is no 1-sysfiles.log in log dir 20:51 < StefanG> good reason to stay with my 2.4.25 20:52 < daja77> nope 20:52 < daja77> 2.4.25 is vulnerable 20:52 < pep> I bet package set for bootdisk is not complete 20:57 < pep> or I could mess it up 20:57 < daja77> when you deselected sysfiles then yes 20:57 < pep> daja77: in packages.txt, there are all packages available, aye? 20:58 < daja77> marked with X or O yep 20:58 < pep> deja77: in my config, there is packages.txt and there is no sysfiles et all 20:58 < daja77> this is not good ... 20:59 < pep> fsckn strange 20:59 < pep> but it seems that the problem is between the chair and monitor :) 21:04 < netrunner> daja77: how do I select a forked package? 21:04 < daja77> I have no idea 21:04 * daja77 compiling 2.0.2 atm 21:06 < daja77> svn commit for generic gcc package ... 21:09 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-223.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 < pep> well, I found it 21:16 < daja77> oh what is it? 21:16 < pep> I checked on 'Disable packages which are marked as broken' 21:16 < daja77> d'oh 21:16 < pep> probably sysfiles is marked as broken 21:16 < pep> heh 21:16 < daja77> seems so 21:17 < pep> what does it mean, when a package is marked as broken? 21:17 < pep> and why do you add such option, if it makes compilation impossible? 21:17 < daja77> it did not build i guess, and was marked as broken then 21:18 < pep> well, 2.0.2 is stable release, isn't it? 21:18 < daja77> yes 21:18 < pep> crazy 21:19 < daja77> perhaps you had a missing download 21:19 < pep> ah 21:20 < pep> yup 21:23 < pep> well, there is only services.txt thingy, is it all? 21:23 < pep> in base/sysfiles package 21:25 < esden> marked as broken are packages that did not build in the reference build afaik 21:26 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-198.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:26 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 21:26 < pep> ok, I will esden: reference build == generic build? 21:26 < esden> pep: sysfiles is pretty usefull ... it contains for example etc/conf/console or etc/initscript ... 21:26 < esden> the second one is started by init as the first script ... ;) 21:26 < pep> well, in my download there is only services.txt 21:26 < esden> etc/inittab is also usefull ;) 21:27 < pep> ah, they are probably created by the script 21:27 < esden> yes sure ... because that is the only file that is being downloaded ... the other stuff is in package/base/sysfiles directory ;) 21:27 < pep> fascinating... 21:28 < esden> that scripts are created by every distribution ... there is no tar.gz or so that you can download from the net somewhere 21:28 < pep> ok, got it 21:28 < esden> that is not really a package ... that are all the sysfiles that are needed and have to be created by every distributor ... 21:29 < esden> or by you when you use lfs or so 21:29 -!- De_Elsasser [De_Elsasse@ANancy-110-1-22-170.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:29 * netrunner hacking a shell script to link all files back to old school 21:30 < pep> but the templates are created in 1st stage, so in 2nd there could be chroot, aye? 21:30 < esden> ack 21:31 < pep> so, the package script is responsible for creating passwd file and others, and because I checked on this thingy with 'broken packages', this script didn't work, and there was no passwd file 21:31 < esden> yes 21:31 < pep> 8-) 21:31 < esden> you are smart pep ;) 21:31 < pep> heh, everyone tells me so :> 21:31 < esden> but what I ask myself is why it is checked as broken ... 21:32 < pep> probably one should ask the maintainer 21:32 < esden> rxr!!! clifford!!! ;) 21:33 < pep> ok, I will try to build that with 'broken packages' included 21:33 < esden> ahh ... one thing: hi all ;) 21:34 < esden> pep: do this ... that is normally a good thing to do ... 21:34 < pep> hum, about 36hrs of compilation time 8-) 21:34 < pep> heh 21:34 < pep> okay, g'night all 21:34 < esden> n8 21:34 -!- pep [pdemb@pb71.konin.sdi.tpnet.pl] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-2.0 -- Are we there yet?"] 21:38 < daja77> hi esden 21:41 < netrunner> would it work if I symlink them , or shall I hardlink them= 21:42 < netrunner> n8 esdn 21:43 < daja77> download and symlinking did not work for me some time ago 21:45 < esden> my god ... 21:45 < esden> debian wants to upgrade 410 packets! 21:46 < esden> netrunner: I am not going yet 21:46 < rxr> hi esden 21:46 < rxr> rehi 21:46 < esden> hi rxr 21:46 < rxr> phone took longer ... 21:47 < rxr> fake: this is a 4 line change - I can do this e.g. tomorrow 21:47 * rxr has contract work for this night ... 21:48 < rxr> ah pep - yes, sorry the .cache file is not really up-to-date ... 21:48 < esden> rxr: he is already gone ... 21:48 < rxr> oh - yes, thanks 21:48 < esden> rxr: you should make a todolist of stuff you have to do before a release ... 21:48 < rxr> backsrolled too much 21:49 < rxr> have one - I do not want to commit so many .cache modifications - because this caues too many "useles" revisions - and merge conflict possibilities ... 21:49 < rxr> I just forgot about the broken sysfiles.cache issue ... 21:50 < esden> but before a release it would be good to make one commit that updates all the .cache files ... or find another solution to that _generated_ files 21:50 < esden> generated files have normally nothing to do in a version control system 21:51 < esden> they could reside on the package download mirrors or so 21:51 < netrunner> esden: they are generated to be distributed as the act of generation is not task of end user 21:51 < esden> then you have no obsolete commit probelms ... and the files are up to date 21:52 < esden> netrunner: that is why I would put them on the mirrors 21:52 < netrunner> esden: let's create a scripts/Bootstrap that downloads them and unpacks them over the sources :) 21:52 < esden> netrunner: check if the syneight webserver is working for you please 21:52 < netrunner> esden: tld? 21:53 < esden> netrunner: that is also a solution ;) 21:53 < esden> netrunner: www.apeiron.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ;) 21:53 < netrunner> esden: yes. and it identifies itself as the server of the chelon project ;) 21:55 < esden> netrunner: yes I know ... that is one thing that I will change in a moment ;) 21:56 < esden> netrunner: now better? 21:57 < netrunner> still wrong. 22:01 < rxr> esden: NACK, generated files have a very well place in a version control system if they are vital for the package - this is for the .cache files 22:02 < rxr> when I checkout ROCK Linux I expect a source tree that is usable, not one that I need to run autogen.sh or regenerate-all-internal-files on ... 22:03 < esden> rxr: that is a belief discussion ... so ok if you think so 22:10 < esden> rxr: oh but one thing. when you think so then you should not say that you do not like that big "obsolete" checkins ... because generated files have the attitude to produce big diffs ;) 22:10 -!- vegai [vegai@as2-1.ranta-alpi.verkkoasunto.com] has left #rocklinux [] 22:13 < daja77> this damn driver shit 22:15 < rxr> esden: they only differ in timestamps and build id's 22:15 < rxr> it is of no value to polute the history with those ... 22:15 < fake> DAMN 22:15 < fake> rxr: you're a bit into sparc64, right? 22:16 < fake> /tmp/cc1CMVkX.s:841: Error: detected global register use not covered by .register pseudo-op 22:16 < esden> rxr: ok ... argument accepted 22:16 < fake> all over,,, 22:16 < netrunner> rxr: except those that contained broken content :) 22:16 < rxr> netrunner: yes - I said I forgot about those 22:17 < rxr> netrunner: I already planed to checkin my current ref build's .cache 22:17 < rxr> fake: hm - have not seen this yet 22:17 < rxr> fake: but I have not yet reached such an state for 64bit only builds ... 22:17 < fake> rxr: hrmpf. that in the running and installed crossbuild 22:17 < rxr> I had fixed soo much in 1.7 days to get cross building in the proper shape - and due to lack of time never tried 64bit only until then ... 22:18 < rxr> you have a 64bit only system now, right? 22:18 < fake> yes 22:18 < rxr> wow - great - congrats ... 22:18 < rxr> when do you get this error now, which package ? 22:18 < fake> wihtout a working compiler 22:18 < fake> package 'i need a network module' 22:19 < fake> /usr/src/linux-2.6.7-rock/scripts/basic/fixdep.c 22:19 < fake> small mini-test-apps work 22:19 < rxr> hm - the compiler is not able to compile any 22:19 < rxr> oh ok 22:19 < fake> like printf("hello\n"); 22:19 < rxr> hm 22:19 < esden> rxr: you still can commit the .cache files once before a release then you are sure that the release contains current .cache files and that you did not oversee anything 22:19 < rxr> I would also need to debug it ... 22:20 < rxr> esden: from your proposal I know that you never did a svn up of such a revision .. 22:21 < fake> grml... 22:22 < rxr> does more complex stuff work - like cd bash-$ver 22:22 < rxr> make 22:22 < rxr> ? 22:23 < netrunner> esden: this could introduce broken ones, as happened last time with the sysfiles one. 22:24 < netrunner> oh, praenti is angry 22:24 < esden> netrunner: yes ... so they also need to be tested ... what leads to a conclusion that this has to happen more often ... 22:24 < esden> rxr: I did ... not once and not twice ... 22:25 < esden> rxr: and I think we want te release stable stuff ... and not broken ... so I think that is a small price that one has to pay for getting a stable system ... don't you think? 22:26 < fake> got it 22:26 < fake> rxr: -mnoapp-regs 22:26 < fake> -mno-app-regs 22:26 < rxr> esden: netrunner already argued that the last time sysfiles.cache slipped in broken ... 22:26 < rxr> fake: ;-) 22:26 < esden> humm ... nice svn mirror seems to be a nice thing ... besides the fact that it is coded like shit ... ;) 22:26 < netrunner> esden: it makes no sense checking something in that changes nothing of any effect. 22:26 < rxr> netrunner: ack 22:27 < esden> sigh ... ok ... forget that guys 22:27 < netrunner> rxr: last time I probably didn't know that the large checkin wouldn't help. maybe .caches should contain more general info. 22:28 < rxr> netrunner: what do you mean with more general 22:28 < rxr> I already tought about wiping the config id and such info 22:28 < rxr> so it has less noise ... 22:29 < rxr> but the config id an such are nice to determine the age of the file ... 22:29 < rxr> so - I'm not sure ... 22:29 < rxr> maybe we update all now - and only replace the ones indicating a broken build with fresh ones for the stable tree maintenance ... 22:30 < rxr> but /me now finally of showering and then doing the stuff I should already be doing - coding some changes I get money for ... 22:30 < rxr> cu soon 22:30 < netrunner> rxr: I don't really get what the marking broken in the .cache brings as advantages ... 22:30 < netrunner> cu rxr 22:31 < esden> ru rxr 22:38 < fake> unteresing 22:38 < fake> *interesting 22:38 < fake> if i compile a kernel, i need to pass -mno-app-regs only to the HOSTCFLAGS 22:50 < rxr> re 22:50 < rxr> netrunner: me neither - clifford introduced this as dau option 23:07 < netrunner> hm, I think I'll test the stable trunk tomorrow. n8 23:53 < rxr> oh - my god, I better do not comment how ugly the scanner codes the pressed buttons on the wire 23:53 < rxr> if the company reads it I might never get specs again ... 23:54 < daja77> ^^ 23:54 < esden> lol 23:55 < mnemoc> sf's mysql is down :\ 23:55 < daja77> lol 23:56 < esden> and ftp.leo.org is also down 23:57 < esden> the internet is somehow in a crysis ;) 23:57 < daja77> if you need dict, there is still one up 23:57 < mnemoc> 83 according to ITR :) 23:58 < daja77> poser 23:58 < mnemoc> :p --- Log closed Fri Jul 09 00:00:29 2004