--- Log opened Thu Jul 08 00:00:14 2004
00:24 < mnemoc> re jsaw 
00:24 < daja77> hi jsaw 
00:25 < jsaw> hi there
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02:41 < rolla> anyone around?
02:42 < owl> yeah. hi rolla 
02:43 < jsaw> <- reading w/ one eye
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06:18 < rxr> moing
06:19 < owl> moin
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08:52 < netrunner> moin
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09:41 < blindy> moin
09:42 < dsoul> hi blindy 
09:43 < daja77> oin blindy & dsoul 
09:44 < Lorini_> moin
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09:45 < dsoul> hi daja77 
09:45 < dsoul> hi Lorini 
09:45 < daja77> Lorini: !
09:46 < Lorini> daja! :)
10:02 < esden> morning everyone
10:03 < daja77> hi esden 
10:03 < dsoul> hi esden 
10:03 < Lorini> hi dsoul, esden :)
10:03 < esden> *YAWN*
10:04  * daja77 putting flies in esden's mouth
10:04  * esden munching the files, not paying attention
10:05 < valentin> http://www.drugster.com/anarcho/unix-support.htm
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10:08 < daja77> lol valentin 
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10:17 < blindy> nice project I have here
10:18 < blindy> a V480 and two SunBlades
10:18 < blindy> customer: here's an ip-range, choose what you like. Oh, and we have no idea what hostname we should use, please choose some for us.
10:18 < blindy> I'm currently thinking: donald, daisy and dagobert
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11:05 < daja77> http://fun.drno.de/pics/german/tip_des_tages.jpg *rofl*
11:08 < blindy> well, and what about legal movies?
11:22 < daja77> I like the ntsc vs pal discussion in that context
11:27 < blindy> what's wrong about it?
11:28 < daja77> have you ever had downloaded movies in ntsc format?
11:28 < blindy> usually in .avi :)
11:28 < daja77> you see
11:29 < blindy> I guess I see what you mean
11:29 < daja77> ;)
11:40  * blindy lunch
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12:04 < TxD> moin
12:05 < dsoul> hi TxD 
12:23 < blindy> back
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12:33 < daja77> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~kszwed/wifes-car.jpg
13:14 < rxr> hi
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13:29 < dsoul> hi rxr 
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13:46 < blindy> moin rxr
13:47 < rxr> hi blindy 
13:48 < rxr> ok - cu - /me again off ...
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14:24 < rolla> re
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14:44 < nzg> moin
14:48 < daja77> moin nzg 
14:48 < nzg> moin daja
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15:41 < daja77> wb pingout rolla
15:41 < rolla> wtf
15:43 < daja77> just kidding
15:50 < netrunne1> wow, I just plugged in my usb mouse and had the 2 axis reverted :0
15:55 < blindy> nice for flight simulators
16:28 < mnemoc> moin
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16:34  * blindy going home
16:44 < daja77> mnemoc: *terrorping*
16:45  * mnemoc hides
16:45 < daja77> hey mnemoc 
16:45 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
16:46 < daja77> I am just wondering about openldap compile error in 2.0.2
16:46 < daja77> which version of cyrus-sasl is needed by openldap
16:47 < mnemoc> i haven't rebuilded it since someone fix it to use sasl2
16:48 < mnemoc> i.e. i have no idea
16:48 < daja77> >_<
16:48 < daja77> that someone produces shared files errors between version 1 and two >_<
16:48 < mnemoc> :p
16:49  * mnemoc kicks someone
16:49 < daja77> ;)
16:50 < mnemoc> i wonder too about updateing openldap to the next branch
16:50 < mnemoc> 2.1.30 -> 2.2.11
16:54 < netrunner> what about updating ruby to 1.8?
16:56 < daja77> k. trying to build without sasl
16:57 < netrunner> does anybody know if the current trunk builds?
16:57 < daja77> see rxr's reference builds
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17:12 < daja77> nice --without-cyrus-sasl switch does not work >_<
17:18 < mnemoc> :p
17:18 < mnemoc> you need openldap or just fixing?
17:20 < daja77> i am trying to get a package for my 2.0.2
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17:22 < De_Elsasser> i am in?
17:23 < De_Elsasser> hello all
17:23 < mnemoc> hello daja77 
17:23 < mnemoc> uhm
17:23 < mnemoc> De_Elsasser: 
17:23 < daja77> De_Elsasser: !
17:23 < De_Elsasser> it's a long history
17:24 < De_Elsasser> hello daja77
17:25 < De_Elsasser> nice to see you
17:25 < daja77> nice to see you too
17:25 < daja77> unfortunatly you've missed linuxtag this year
17:27 < De_Elsasser> daja77: my linux turn under rocklinux seit yesterday
17:27 < daja77> cool
17:27 < daja77> which version?
17:27 < De_Elsasser> but i can't connect the modem
17:27 < De_Elsasser> 2.0.1
17:28 < De_Elsasser> i am under windoooooows
17:28 < daja77> :(
17:29 < De_Elsasser> :((
17:29 < daja77> what's the problem you get
17:29 < De_Elsasser> it's a speedtouch 330...someone know it?
17:30 < De_Elsasser> adsl of course
17:30 < daja77> I haven't used a modem for years
17:30 < daja77> ah k.
17:33 < De_Elsasser> in 9 month it must be a new linux, no?
17:34 < De_Elsasser> i am *rechst gelehmt*
17:34 < De_Elsasser> and i am recowring the linux
18:08 < mnemoc> *yawn*
18:08 < daja77> :p
18:08 < daja77> guess I'll let it be broken ...
18:09 < mnemoc> :\
18:09  * mnemoc feels guilty
18:10 < daja77> I could use svn blame to verify that ;)
18:11 < mnemoc> :(
18:11 < daja77> just kidding
18:11 < daja77> don't worry
18:12 < daja77> cu later
18:15 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
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18:38 < fake> moin
18:39 < mnemoc> moin fake 
18:47 < fake> hm...
18:48 < fake> binutils and gcc's libiberty are once again very intelligent
18:49 < fake> they claim i have no limits.h
18:50 < mnemoc> they are limited to not see it
18:50 < fake> oO
18:50 < fake> huh?
18:51 < fake> # It's OK to check for header files.  Although the compiler may not be
18:51 < fake> # able to link anything, it had better be able to at least compile
18:51 < fake> # something.
18:51 < fake> AC_CHECK_HEADERS doesn't find a single header
18:51 < fake> guess it's a compiler issue
18:53 < fake> arr
18:54 < fake> sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc: -Av9a: linker input file unused because linking not done
18:54 < fake> that's not an error, but AC thinks gcc needs to be quiet if all goes right
19:00 < daja77> hi fake 
19:01 < fake> hm!
19:01 < fake> hi daja77!
19:01 < fake> -Xassembler seems different from -Wa,
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19:16 < fake> jup, -Wa instead of -Xassembler did the trick
19:16 < Lorini> hi fake
19:17 < fake> hi Lorini!
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19:46 < fake> Ali G. Show #3 on VIVA in a few minutes
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20:07 < rxr> rehi
20:07 < daja77> hi rxr
20:07 < rxr> daja77: I saw my final article today ...
20:08 < daja77> you like it?
20:08 < rxr> daja77: the diagrams are ugly ... - mine have been much more pretty :-(
20:08 < rxr> daja77: and I also saw some last miniute editing that did break my meaning
20:08 < daja77> ack, they are hard to read
20:08 < rxr> I think they shrinked the article by around a half page to get it fit into the magazine or so ..
20:09 < rxr> and the color is ugly -- it caues eye cancer ...
20:09 < rxr> and the VoIP articles are really bad ...
20:09 < daja77> haven't read them
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20:10 < daja77> wb De_Elsasser 
20:10 < De_Elsasser> salut daja77
20:11 < daja77> did it work now?
20:11 < De_Elsasser> immer noch unter windoooooows
20:11 < daja77> egal
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20:13 < rxr> heise.de:
20:13 < rxr> Autor der Mainboard-Monitoring-Freeware MBM hat keine Lust mehr
20:13 < rxr> super ?!?!?!? - what news is that? Why didn't they posted a single ROCK News I feet to them ?!?!?!
20:13 < pep> I have bad news
20:14 < netrunner> rxr: because you don't know any author there :)
20:14 < pep> on FC2, rock 2.0.1 bootdisk build fails too :)
20:14 < pep> the same thing as with 2.0.2
20:14 < daja77> rxr: it is heise
20:15 < rxr> pep: what is the error?
20:16 < pep> the same -- permission denied
20:16 < pep> 2nd pass, binutils
20:16 < pep> http://illx.org/~pdemb/varia/2-binutils.err <- errlog from 2.0.2 is here
20:16 < owl> moin
20:17 < De_Elsasser> moin moin owl
20:17 < rxr> chown: `root:root': invalid user
20:17 < rxr> ?!?!
20:17 < rxr> pep: any other errors before that one?
20:18 < pep> afaik no
20:18 < rxr> strange ...
20:18 < pep> hm, I could put all logs on the webpage
20:18 < rxr> pep: I'm sorry I have not much time this night - I need to refresh (just back from an exams day at university) and I need to do some contract conding - I guess until mid-night ...
20:19 < pep> yeah
20:19 < rxr> you could / should mail to the rock-user or rock-devel list, to get more and asynchron attention
20:19 < pep> hum, probably I will
20:19 < netrunner> pep: you do have a root group, no?
20:19 < pep> who maintains binutils?
20:19 < pep> ofkoz I do
20:20 < rxr> pep: in ROCK?
20:20 < pep> yup
20:20 < rxr> I guess either Clifford Wold or I are listed there
20:20 < pep> the package, the build script
20:20 < pep> ah
20:20 < rxr> you can see this in the .desc file
20:20 < rxr> the [M] tag is the ROCK Linux maintainer
20:20 < pep> hm, haven't you tried to build 2.0.2 on non-rock linux?
20:20 < rxr> just take a look in packge/bas/binutils/binutils.desc
20:20 < rxr> pep: yes, we try this from time to time
20:21 < rxr> this error is not yet know ...
20:21 < pep> yeah
20:21 < pep> I can see that
20:21 < pep> well, you seem to make very closed distro :)
20:22 < pep> or /me has no luck
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20:22  * pep tried to build it on debian and fc2
20:22 < netrunner> rxr: it cannot be the passwd from sysfiles as this is not yet chroot, no?
20:23 < pep> hum, it happens after chrooting I think
20:24 < netrunner> no, chroot is stage>2 iirc
20:24 < rxr> 2 is chrooted
20:24 < rxr> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse72.html
20:24 < rxr>         [ $stagelevel -gt 1 ] && cmd_root="$cmd_root -chroot"
20:25 < pep> yup, and binutils is the first package being built in this stage
20:25 < rxr> ^- scripts/Build-Target:283
20:25 < netrunner> rxr: the error before the chroot is ../binutils/arlex.l: Permission denied
20:26 < netrunner> s/chroot/chmod/
20:26 < rxr> does your build/$cfgname/root/etc/passwd contain root? 
20:26 < rxr> and the .../grups root?
20:26 < rxr> I guess this is some selinux whatever fedora thing
20:26 < rxr> different root id then 0 or some other hacks arouns that ....
20:26 < pep> selinux is turned off
20:26 < pep> there is no passwd file in this directory
20:27 < rxr> but the directory exists?
20:27 < pep> yup
20:27 < rxr> is other stuff in it?
20:27 < netrunner> rxr: have you seen the permission denied thing in the .err he posted?
20:27 < rxr> yes
20:27 < fake> netrunner: livecd experience yet?
20:28 < netrunner> fake: cloop: unable to get kernelversion the module was compiled for
20:28 < netrunner> fake: dropped to stage 1 
20:28 < netrunner> kiss
20:28 < fake> netrunner: interesting
20:28 < netrunner> fake: sure :)
20:28 < owl> hi fake 
20:28 < pep> rxr: conf, cron.d, cron.daily, diet.ld.conf fdprm init.d iproute2 ld.so.cache ld.so.conf modprobe.conf modprobe.devfs mtab network opt profile.d rc.d rpc skel stone.d wgetrc
20:29 < fake> netrunner: but sounds like i caught that error correctly
20:29 < pep> rxr these are the files and directories from that directory
20:29 < netrunner> fake: ah, it's you who says so? :)
20:29 < fake> netrunner: which kernel do you use? 2.4 or 2.6 ?
20:29 < fake> netrunner: i try to start kiss whenever something goes wrong
20:30 < rxr> pep: can you put the build/$cfgname/root/var/adm*/*sysfiles* on your server please?
20:30 < pep> rxr: init.d is symbolic link to rc.d/init.d
20:30 < pep> sure
20:30 < rxr> pep: I'm just phoning and then taking a shower - and then I look at those - I hope you have the time ...
20:30 < netrunner> fake: 2.4 iirc
20:31 < netrunner> yup
20:32 < fake> netrunner: i only use 2.6 ;)
20:32 < pep> well, the dir is at http://illx.org/~pdemb/varia/pep-broken-etc.tar.gz
20:32 < pep> anyone who wants, can get it on his/her computer :D
20:32 < netrunner> pep: interesting would probably be 1-sysfiles.log
20:33 < pep> hm, this is etc/ dir, I can put logfiles too
20:33 < netrunner> fake: I'll try.
20:33  * fake just noticed cloop is using c++
20:34 < fake> rxr: when will the c++ compiler be availible in stage 1 ? you wanted to do that ;)
20:47 < pep> there is no 1-sysfiles.log
20:47 < netrunner> fake: uhm, ... could it be that pkgforking sneaked into trunk? I suddenly have no kernel in my packages any more ...
20:47 < pep> should it be there?
20:48 < daja77> netrunner: not sneaked, committed
20:48 < netrunner> pep: If I read the .desc correctly, yes. you can try a scripts/Build-Target -cfg $yourconf -job 1-sysfiles
20:48 < netrunner> daja77: oh :)
20:49 < netrunner> If I wouldn't have moved all the download files I would change to stable :(
20:49 < daja77> I have both directories :D
20:49 < pep> apart of all other things, rock is a good machine benchmarking tool :)
20:50 < daja77> hehe
20:50 < pep> I found that on my celeron 333 linux 2.6.7 kernel compilation takes about 4 hrs
20:51 < daja77> hm stf fixed rtai stuff for me
20:51 < pep> anyways
20:51 < pep> netrunner: I did what you wrote, but there is no 1-sysfiles.log in log dir
20:51 < StefanG> good reason to stay with my 2.4.25
20:52 < daja77> nope
20:52 < daja77> 2.4.25 is vulnerable
20:52 < pep> I bet package set for bootdisk is not complete
20:57 < pep> or I could mess it up 
20:57 < daja77> when you deselected sysfiles then yes
20:57 < pep> daja77: in packages.txt, there are all packages available, aye?
20:58 < daja77> marked with X or O yep
20:58 < pep> deja77: in my config, there is packages.txt and there is no sysfiles et all
20:58 < daja77> this is not good ...
20:59 < pep> fsckn strange
20:59 < pep> but it seems that the problem is between the chair and monitor :)
21:04 < netrunner> daja77: how do I select a forked package?
21:04 < daja77> I have no idea
21:04  * daja77 compiling 2.0.2 atm
21:06 < daja77> svn commit for generic gcc package ...
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21:16 < pep> well, I found it
21:16 < daja77> oh what is it?
21:16 < pep> I checked on 'Disable packages which are marked as broken'
21:16 < daja77> d'oh
21:16 < pep> probably sysfiles is marked as broken
21:16 < pep> heh
21:16 < daja77> seems so
21:17 < pep> what does it mean, when a package is marked as broken?
21:17 < pep> and why do you add such option, if it makes compilation impossible?
21:17 < daja77> it did not build i guess, and was marked as broken then
21:18 < pep> well, 2.0.2 is stable release, isn't it?
21:18 < daja77> yes
21:18 < pep> crazy
21:19 < daja77> perhaps you had a missing download 
21:19 < pep> ah
21:20 < pep> yup
21:23 < pep> well, there is only services.txt thingy, is it all?
21:23 < pep> in base/sysfiles package
21:25 < esden> marked as broken are packages that did not build in the reference build afaik
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21:26 < pep> ok, I will esden: reference build == generic build?
21:26 < esden> pep: sysfiles is pretty usefull ... it contains for example etc/conf/console or etc/initscript ...
21:26 < esden> the second one is started by init as the first script ... ;)
21:26 < pep> well, in my download there is only services.txt
21:26 < esden> etc/inittab is also usefull ;)
21:27 < pep> ah, they are probably created by the script
21:27 < esden> yes sure ... because that is the only file that is being downloaded ... the other stuff is in package/base/sysfiles directory ;)
21:27 < pep> fascinating...
21:28 < esden> that scripts are created by every distribution ... there is no tar.gz or so that you can download from the net somewhere
21:28 < pep> ok, got it
21:28 < esden> that is not really a package ... that are all the sysfiles that are needed and have to be created by every distributor ...
21:29 < esden> or by you when you use lfs or so
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21:29  * netrunner hacking a shell script to link all files back to old school
21:30 < pep> but the templates are created in 1st stage, so in 2nd there could be chroot, aye?
21:30 < esden> ack
21:31 < pep> so, the package script is responsible for creating passwd file and others, and because I checked on this thingy with 'broken packages', this script didn't work, and there was no passwd file
21:31 < esden> yes
21:31 < pep> 8-)
21:31 < esden> you are smart pep ;)
21:31 < pep> heh, everyone tells me so :>
21:31 < esden> but what I ask myself is why it is checked as broken ...
21:32 < pep> probably one should ask the maintainer
21:32 < esden> rxr!!! clifford!!! ;)
21:33 < pep> ok, I will try to build that with 'broken packages' included
21:33 < esden> ahh ... one thing: hi all ;)
21:34 < esden> pep: do this ... that is normally a good thing to do ...
21:34 < pep> hum, about 36hrs of compilation time 8-)
21:34 < pep> heh
21:34 < pep> okay, g'night all
21:34 < esden> n8
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21:38 < daja77> hi esden 
21:41 < netrunner> would it work if I symlink them , or shall I hardlink them=
21:42 < netrunner> n8 esdn
21:43 < daja77> download and symlinking did not work for me some time ago
21:45 < esden> my god ...
21:45 < esden> debian wants to upgrade 410 packets!
21:46 < esden> netrunner: I am not going yet
21:46 < rxr> hi esden 
21:46 < rxr> rehi
21:46 < esden> hi rxr 
21:46 < rxr> phone took longer ...
21:47 < rxr> fake: this is a 4 line change - I can do this e.g. tomorrow
21:47  * rxr has contract work for  this night ...
21:48 < rxr> ah pep - yes, sorry the .cache file is not really up-to-date ...
21:48 < esden> rxr: he is already gone ...
21:48 < rxr> oh - yes, thanks
21:48 < esden> rxr: you should make a todolist of stuff you have to do before a release ...
21:48 < rxr> backsrolled too much
21:49 < rxr> have one - I do not want to commit so many .cache modifications - because this caues too many "useles" revisions - and merge conflict possibilities ...
21:49 < rxr> I just forgot about the broken sysfiles.cache issue ...
21:50 < esden> but before a release it would be good to make one commit that updates all the .cache files ... or find another solution to that _generated_ files
21:50 < esden> generated files have normally nothing to do in a version control system
21:51 < esden> they could reside on the package download mirrors or so
21:51 < netrunner> esden: they are generated to be distributed as the act of generation is not task of end user
21:51 < esden> then you have no obsolete commit probelms ... and the files are up to date
21:52 < esden> netrunner: that is why I would put them on the mirrors
21:52 < netrunner> esden: let's create a scripts/Bootstrap that downloads them and unpacks them over the sources :)
21:52 < esden> netrunner: check if the syneight webserver is working for you please 
21:52 < netrunner> esden: tld?
21:53 < esden> netrunner: that is also a solution ;)
21:53 < esden> netrunner: www.apeiron.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ;)
21:53 < netrunner> esden: yes. and it identifies itself as the server of the chelon project ;)
21:55 < esden> netrunner: yes I know ... that is one thing that I will change in a moment ;)
21:56 < esden> netrunner: now better?
21:57 < netrunner> still wrong.
22:01 < rxr> esden: NACK, generated files have a very well place in a version control system if they are vital for the package - this is for the .cache files
22:02 < rxr> when I checkout ROCK Linux I expect a source tree that is usable, not one that I need to run autogen.sh or regenerate-all-internal-files on ...
22:03 < esden> rxr: that is a belief discussion ... so ok if you think so
22:10 < esden> rxr: oh but one thing. when you think so then you should not say that you do not like that big "obsolete" checkins ... because generated files have the attitude to produce big diffs ;)
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22:13 < daja77> this damn driver shit
22:15 < rxr> esden: they only differ in timestamps and build id's 
22:15 < rxr> it is of no value to polute the history with those ...
22:15 < fake> DAMN
22:15 < fake> rxr: you're a bit into sparc64, right?
22:16 < fake>  /tmp/cc1CMVkX.s:841: Error: detected global register use not covered by .register pseudo-op
22:16 < esden> rxr: ok ... argument accepted
22:16 < fake> all over,,,
22:16 < netrunner> rxr: except those that contained broken content :)
22:16 < rxr> netrunner: yes - I said I forgot about those
22:17 < rxr> netrunner: I already planed to checkin my current ref build's .cache
22:17 < rxr> fake: hm - have not seen this yet
22:17 < rxr> fake: but I have not yet reached such an state for 64bit only builds ...
22:17 < fake> rxr: hrmpf. that in the running and installed crossbuild
22:17 < rxr> I had fixed soo much in 1.7 days to get cross building in the proper shape - and due to lack of time never tried 64bit only until then ...
22:18 < rxr> you have a 64bit only system now, right?
22:18 < fake> yes
22:18 < rxr> wow - great - congrats ...
22:18 < rxr> when do you get this error now, which package ?
22:18 < fake> wihtout a working compiler
22:18 < fake> package 'i need a network module'
22:19 < fake>  /usr/src/linux-2.6.7-rock/scripts/basic/fixdep.c
22:19 < fake> small mini-test-apps work
22:19 < rxr> hm - the compiler is not able to compile any 
22:19 < rxr> oh ok
22:19 < fake> like printf("hello\n");
22:19 < rxr> hm
22:19 < esden> rxr: you still can commit the .cache files once before a release then you are sure that the release contains current .cache files and that you did not oversee anything
22:19 < rxr> I would also need to debug it ...
22:20 < rxr> esden: from your proposal I know that you never did a svn up of such a revision ..
22:21 < fake> grml...
22:22 < rxr> does more complex stuff work - like cd bash-$ver
22:22 < rxr> make
22:22 < rxr>   ?
22:23 < netrunner> esden: this could introduce broken ones, as happened last time with the sysfiles one.
22:24 < netrunner> oh, praenti is angry
22:24 < esden> netrunner: yes ... so they also need to be tested ... what leads to a conclusion that this has to happen more often ...
22:24 < esden> rxr: I did ... not once and not twice ...
22:25 < esden> rxr: and I think we want te release stable stuff ... and not broken ... so I think that is a small price that one has to pay for getting a stable system ... don't you think?
22:26 < fake> got it
22:26 < fake> rxr: -mnoapp-regs
22:26 < fake> -mno-app-regs
22:26 < rxr> esden: netrunner already argued that the last time sysfiles.cache slipped in broken ...
22:26 < rxr> fake: ;-)
22:26 < esden> humm ... nice svn mirror seems to be a nice thing ... besides the fact that it is coded like shit ... ;)
22:26 < netrunner> esden: it makes no sense checking something in that changes nothing of any effect.
22:26 < rxr> netrunner: ack
22:27 < esden> sigh ... ok ... forget that guys
22:27 < netrunner> rxr: last time I probably didn't know that the large checkin wouldn't help. maybe .caches should contain more general info.
22:28 < rxr> netrunner: what do you mean with more general
22:28 < rxr> I already tought about wiping the config id and such info
22:28 < rxr> so it has less noise  ...
22:29 < rxr> but the config id an such are nice to determine the age of the file ...
22:29 < rxr> so - I'm not sure ...
22:29 < rxr> maybe we update all now - and only replace the ones indicating a broken build with fresh ones for the stable tree maintenance ...
22:30 < rxr> but /me now finally of showering and then doing the stuff I should already be doing - coding some changes I get money for ...
22:30 < rxr> cu soon
22:30 < netrunner> rxr: I don't really get what the marking broken in the .cache brings as advantages ...
22:30 < netrunner> cu rxr
22:31 < esden> ru rxr 
22:38 < fake> unteresing
22:38 < fake> *interesting
22:38 < fake> if i compile a kernel, i need to pass -mno-app-regs only to the HOSTCFLAGS
22:50 < rxr> re
22:50 < rxr> netrunner: me neither - clifford introduced this as dau option
23:07 < netrunner> hm, I think I'll test the stable trunk tomorrow. n8
23:53 < rxr> oh - my god, I better do not comment how ugly the scanner codes the pressed buttons on the wire
23:53 < rxr> if the company reads it I might never get specs again ...
23:54 < daja77> ^^
23:54 < esden> lol
23:55 < mnemoc> sf's mysql is down :\
23:55 < daja77> lol
23:56 < esden> and ftp.leo.org is also down
23:57 < esden> the internet is somehow in a crysis ;)
23:57 < daja77> if you need dict, there is still one up
23:57 < mnemoc> 83 according to ITR :)
23:58 < daja77> poser
23:58 < mnemoc> :p
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