--- Log opened Wed Jul 14 00:00:27 2004
00:08 < rxr> has anyone here the 1998 iX on CD ?
00:08 < rxr> iX magazine from heise ...
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00:48 < rxr> hm - ok bouth it online ...
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01:02  * rxr off - n8 all - cu in some hours
01:03 < jsaw> cu rxr!
01:09 < fake> nookie: uargh!
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04:25 < jsaw> brain->execution unit lag>50 => /me bed, cu
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07:37 < fake> netcrow: wtf?
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08:09 < dsoul> next unstable ipv6 tunnel?
08:12 < daja77> it is the same 
08:12 < dsoul> :)
08:16 < blindy> moin
08:16 < dsoul> hi blindy 
08:20 < blindy> phew
08:20 < blindy> dewmeeting at fake's
08:20 < blindy> that means I don't have to drive all day
08:24  * blindy checking holiday status on these days, brb
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08:41  * netrunner just realised that he didn't get mail for half a week. damn fetchmail
08:43 < SMP> netcrow: pure luxury!
08:45 < blindy> guess I can be there from 6th to 8th
08:47 < SMP> hmm
08:47 < SMP> s,netcrow,netrunner,
08:53 < netrunner> hi SMP
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08:57 < De_Elsasser> moin moin
08:58 < dsoul> hi SMP 
08:58 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
08:58 < dsoul> hi De_Elsasser 
08:58 < De_Elsasser> hi dsoul
09:02 < De_Elsasser> 14 juillet: french "independance" day
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09:07 < rxr> moin
09:08 < dsoul> hi rxr 
09:10 < blindy> moin rxr
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09:14 < De_Elsasser> hi rxr, blindy
09:14 < De_Elsasser> rxr: what's now with e17?
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10:19 < owl> moin 
10:22 < ringo> moin  owl ! 
10:22 < owl> hi ringo 
10:22 < dsoul> hi owl
10:22 < dsoul> hi ringo 
10:24 < owl> boah. i know now the most horrible method to get awakened. ... my father, screaming "you have to drivce the car"! !!! getting up, dressing, and after 3 minutes sitting in the car O_o
10:24 < owl> hi dsoul 
10:28 < dsoul> :>
10:28 < owl> not funny :p
10:28 < dsoul> very funny :P
10:28 < owl> no :p
10:28 < dsoul> yes :P
10:28  * owl teases dsoul with stealing him cookies :P
10:29 < dsoul> :/
10:29 < dsoul> :P
10:29 < owl> hrhr ;)
10:29 < owl> at least there are no dead people walking today in town *g*
10:29  * dsoul checkling his hidden place with cookies ;>
10:30 < owl> har. there are no cookies there, anymore ;)
10:30 < dsoul> :/
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10:30  * dsoul checking second place :P
10:31 < owl> the same here  ;)
10:31  * owl offers an grilled hamster
10:32 < dsoul> :]
10:32 < dsoul> may be tasty :P
10:34  * dsoul wants hamster ;>
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10:38 < owl> *hrhr* you don't get one ;) 
10:40 < owl> dsoul: already saw my sweet hamster?
10:40 < owl> if not: http://the-null.de.vu/misc/private/tiere
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11:13 < ringo> hi dsoul 
11:13 < ringo> sorry for the late resp. but I was moved to another computer :(
11:14 < owl> ringo: ./join #anarchy ;)
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12:11 < netrunner> re
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13:25 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
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14:59 < rolla> re
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16:18 < MadTux> hello.
16:19 < dsoul> hi MadTux 
16:19 < MadTux> Mike :)
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16:26 < valentin> another ricer : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=6051717&forum_id=61032 (german)
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17:39 < mnemoc> moin
17:40 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 
18:00 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 
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18:20 < rxr> re
18:21 < dsoul> hi rxr 
18:21 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:22 < rxr> hi dsoul mnemoc * ,)
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20:36 < dzafez> hello Rocklinux
20:45 < rxr> hi dzafez 
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21:29 < owl> hm. "pentium M" is for "centrino", am i right?
21:32 < rxr> yesno
21:32 < rxr> centrino is the marketing name - only giben by Intel when the box inclues the Intel Wifi - no 3rd party one ...
21:32 < rxr> given even
21:33 < owl> ok. thx. so - when i want to use a centrino, i need pentium M in the kernel. yeah?
21:35 < rxr> only if you want the last 0.0333 % performance ...
21:36 < rxr> shoudl run with a i386 kernel, too *g*
21:40 < owl> ok ; ) hehe. *looking at true* 
21:40 < owl> --> it's not my notebook...:(
21:43 < true> ;)
21:44 < owl> true: blll. rat. 
21:44 < true> sure ;p
21:44 < owl> grtz
21:49 < true> hm... iam searching for a file where i can set the default umask *cough* ;) ?
21:53 < jsaw> /etc/login.defs
21:55 < true> thx jsaw :)
22:05 < owl> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. it's cold
22:10 < true> not really ;)
22:17 < owl> hrm. the Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) is not yet supported, is it?
22:26 < jsaw> concerning audio it should be supported.
22:27 < jsaw> (look for i810)
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22:32 < owl> hmm. k. thx. 
22:32 < owl> .oO( with kernel-2.6.7 it doesn't seem to be supported)
22:32 < jsaw> what happens?
22:33 < owl> alsamixer tells lies... moemtna... 
22:35 < jsaw> ich4 caveats... not so easy to talk to chipset...
22:37 < owl> why?
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22:46 < mnemoc> *yawn*
22:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:47 < jsaw> besides low-level driver stuff, most often on the ac97 softmodem channels interferes
22:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:54 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you?
22:56  * rxr shortly off into kitchen ...
22:57 < owl> k. thx.
22:59  * mnemoc hungry too
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23:02 < owl> hrm. sound works
23:03 < true> thx ;)
23:04 < rxr> re
23:10 < jsaw> hi mnemoc,rxr,true btw
23:11 < mnemoc> hi owl|true|jsaw :p
23:11 < dzafez> hi 
23:12 < dzafez> does anyone use wildlife?
23:12 < dzafez> or is * on development?
23:14 < owl> ??? hi mnemoc 
23:14 < rxr> dzafez: hm? You talk about the last ROCK Linux release?
23:14 < rxr> yes, it is in use ...
23:14 < dzafez> The Handbook still does not tell a thing on how to build my own target. 
23:14 < rxr> dzafez: yes - this is known - and will be fixed soon ,)
23:15 < dzafez> I would love to at least create a Package preselection
23:15 < dzafez> like Minimal
23:15 < dzafez> and minimal + X
23:15 < rxr> dzafez: go to misc/pkgsel/
23:15 < rxr> and look into the files
23:15 < rxr> one per preselection
23:15 < rxr> they should bd straight forward
23:16 < rxr> better use a 2.0 release or 2.0-stable tree - the development trunk is in fast flux currently ...
23:19 < th> how can i change the default kde font?
23:19 < th> it's this ugly german-letter one.
23:19 < rxr> hm?
23:19 < th> e.g. in kdm
23:19 < th> and in Konsole
23:19 < rxr> ouhm - patch the package
23:20 < rxr> but for the konsole we already have some "hack"
23:20 < rxr> maybe kdm uses a bitmap font by default wich is not rendered by qt/freetype ...
23:20 < th> there must be something wrong with it. i can't believe that's the intended default fot
23:20 < rxr> I also wondered - maybe other distributions patch qt/freetype or so to render the fonts
23:21 < dzafez> thx gn8 
23:21 < rxr> we also have the problem that qt/freetype do not render the symbol bitmap font - which is needed for formulars in kformula ...
23:21 < th> ok. so where is that font defined?
23:21 < rxr> the kdm font is in /opt/kde*/share/config/kdm --typos
23:21 < rxr> some kdmrc* or so IIRC
23:21  * rxr shorly off again
23:21 < th> ok thanks i'll have a look
23:26 < fake> th: you can change that in KControl?
23:26 < fake> *usually
23:26 < th> fake: i need to do that in an automated way
23:26 < th> having to click somewhere is not acceptable
23:28 < SMP> eh?
23:28 < SMP> th: qtconfig?
23:28 < th> SMP: pardon?
23:28 < SMP> which leads to .qtrc
23:29 < SMP> th: which qtconfig
23:29 < th> SMP: i'm talking of kdm
23:29 < dzafez> Downloading download/x86/lilo/lilo-22.5.8.tar.gz   - failed with curl error 22 
23:29 < SMP> ahm
23:29 < dzafez> package not there
23:29 < dzafez> ?
23:30 < th> SMP: i'm quite confused about the situation
23:30 < SMP> well then kdmrc?
23:31 < th> and for how many k-apps must i search for the *rc file to adapt this?
23:31 < SMP> narf
23:32 < SMP> do you want to change the default or just for kdm?
23:32 < jsaw> dzafez: fast hack: change the .8 into .9 in the package/x86/lilo/lilo.desc file
23:32 < th> the default of course
23:33 < SMP> well kdm is somewhat special, isn't it ...
23:33 < dzafez> INFO: Using mirror <http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/rocklinux/ROCK-2.0>.
23:33 < dzafez> there it works
23:34 < dzafez> thanks anyway
23:34 < jsaw> np
23:34 < th> SMP: no?
23:34 < jsaw> rxr: does the mirroring still work as expected for 2.0 after previous changes?
23:36 < rxr> it should
23:38 < th> SMP: i think it displays a font like "-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-1"
23:38 < th> SMP: and the only font it finds is this ugly german-font
23:38 < rxr> th: ah - hevetica
23:38 < rxr> IIRC we have a bitmap font for it - and this is the root of the ugly
23:38 < rxr> the bitmap font is not rendered by qt/freetype
23:39 < th> rxr: why can't we have both?
23:39 < rxr> could you please analyse maybe cross googling where the problem might be rooted?
23:39 < rxr> I do not know if we have a vector version
23:39 < rxr> I guess not
23:39 < th> it worked in 1.5 times..
23:39 < rxr> but we have some problem that applications choose a font the underlying system can not render
23:39 < jsaw> hey, links in svn, wow
23:40 < jsaw> thx rxr.
23:40 < rxr> or more likely something with our qt/freetype setup is borked
23:40 < rxr> I believe the later, because koffice (and other stuff) relies on the symbol font to draw formulas and such
23:40 < rxr> and this one is only available as open source as bitmap version 
23:41 < rxr> so I guess SuSE and co qt's can render bitmap fonts - just our falls back to some random fonts for bitmap font's it can not render
23:41 < rxr> I have not yet had enough time to analyze it
23:42 < rxr> maybe just google or so - maybe other people had s.th. similar
23:43 < rxr> jsaw: yes - and more speedups ,)
23:44 < th> how can i set runlevels for a service in shell?
23:44 < fake> Error logs from default-2.1.0-DEV-x86-athlon-xp-32-generic-expert:
23:44 < fake> 1298 builds total, 1117 completed fine, 165 with errors.
23:44 < fake> that's not too bad for gcc 3.4.1 first try
23:45 < jsaw> *muhuhuhu* I'm only at 324/1292
23:45 < fake> th: ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/file /etc/rc.d/rc?.d/S??file ??
23:46 < rxr> stone -text ,)
23:46 < th> fake: i wanted to do it the more stony way
23:47 < rxr> jsaw: just checked 2.0 mirroring works fine
23:47 < rxr> lilo downloaded on a fresh svn checkout without problem from mirror
23:47 < rxr> 2.0 mirro ...
23:47 < rxr> mirror even
23:47 < rxr> th: stone -text
23:47 < jsaw> rxr: good. I was getting a bit nervous after all those changes...
23:48 < fake> rxr: is that scriptable?
23:48 < fake> rxr: btw, noticed more tail -1 / head -1 in /usr/bin/rocket
23:48 < th> i think i'd like something like sourcing /etc/stone.d/mod_runlevel.sh more... and using it's functions
23:49 < SMP> < mastergoon> latexer: since i remerged glibc, about 50% of my apps segfault on start lol
23:49 < SMP> < SMP> mastergoon: you switched between nptl / linuxthreads?
23:49 < SMP> < mastergoon> SMP: yes
23:49 < fake> th: then pray that the 'API' wont' change ;)
23:50 < th> fake: your poiny.
23:50 < SMP> /* no comment ... */
23:50 < th> s/poiny/point/
23:50 < fake> SMP: *lol*
23:50 < rxr> fake: do yo udid something about the tail head stuff in rocknet - or just I just commit a hotfix patch?
23:50 < fake> rxr: i said rock_et_ !
23:51 < fake> no n, no plug ;)
23:51 < fake> rxr: not yet
23:51 < fake> rxr: still investigating the random patch-not-attached-stuff
23:54 < rxr> ah rocket ...
23:54 < daja77> rocket, does it work?
23:55 < daja77> fake: btw clifford's house was not accesible for wheelchairs too
23:56 < SMP> th: jabber?
23:56 < th> SMP: oh
23:56 < fake> daja77: it's more then just the help now ;)
23:56 < SMP> heh *blink*
23:56 < daja77> fake: ah :)
23:56 < th> ;>
23:57 < daja77> have no time for rock atm :(
23:57 < daja77> but installing 2.0.2 at work tomorrow
--- Log closed Thu Jul 15 00:00:41 2004